[00:33] <Pici> !test
[00:46] <elky> Oh yay, more awfulness in -ot
[00:51] <Pici> meh
[00:55] <bazhang> so as usual, carry on
[00:56] <elky> The kid he's talking to doesn't even understand he's being told to not wank.
[00:57] <IdleOne> must.not.type.
[00:59] <elky> bazhang, from colombian 3g? doubt it.
[01:00] <Pici> bazhang: _16BitSubsystem_/Root_Time
[01:00] <bazhang> _AV_ ?
[01:01] <elky> bazhang, yah
[01:01] <bazhang> checking the bt
[01:01] <Pici> Yes
[01:02]  * elky figured you thought it was jungli
[01:02] <elky> but i can't fathom how he'd get a connection through colombian 3g internets
[01:04] <rww> lol
[01:05] <bazhang> thought he was saying my name , knowing I was an op and wanting to call attention to the root4d3d's comment
[01:05] <bazhang> jungli usually is more jocular
[01:05] <Pici> bazhang: I thought he was one of those trolls that says hi to you.
[01:06] <rww> hi bazhang
[01:06] <bazhang> Pici, heh yeah
[01:06] <bazhang> :0
[01:06] <Pici> *mind blown*
[01:06] <rww> viva la tiedye!
[01:22] <rww> I'm going /away. JAMES_698 appears to have gotten a clue, but best keep an eye on him.
[01:22] <rww> in #u, that is.
[01:30] <bazhang> IdleOne, PM
[01:30] <IdleOne> saw it
[01:31] <Pici> As much as I'd like to see certain problem users gone, I think we should avoid baiting them.
[01:31] <IdleOne> if he thinks he is going to intimidate the ops by making veiled threats he has another thing coming
[01:31] <bazhang> lets just let it drop please
[01:32] <IdleOne> will do
[01:34] <elky> Pici, I was going to leave it until he essentially threatened to ban evade.
[01:34] <elky> Didn't want to tacitly accept such stupid comments in -ot of all places.
[01:39] <elky> bazhang, callico10
[01:39] <bazhang> elky, ah
[01:41] <Pici> Who is that?
[01:41] <bazhang> someone silly
[01:41] <elky> some guy who claims to use orca and gets scared by lens artifacts for news reports.
[01:42] <elky> oh, and uses orca so much he spells it orcha
[01:42] <bazhang> the Capitol Building is white, so I can see the confusion with the White House
[02:14] <h00k> I don't know what the hell is going on in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:14] <h00k> I'm sober.
[02:14] <Pici> I think thats the problm
[02:15] <h00k> hmmm
[02:15] <h00k> an elaborate troll?
[02:15] <bazhang> or a teen
[02:16] <h00k> ah, yes.
[02:16] <h00k> you can understand my confusion
[02:22] <bazhang> Jordan_U, hi
[03:00]  * tonyyarusso pouts
[03:00] <tonyyarusso> The Launchpad people have made it impossible for LoCos to be open teams
[03:02] <elky> ?
[03:04] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I noticed that.
[03:05] <h00k> Because the parent team is moderated
[03:05] <h00k> Ubuntu Local Community Teams
[03:05] <h00k> I had a "request" come in this AM
[03:06] <h00k> :(
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> yup
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> Super annoying.
[03:07] <h00k> I was all "This used to be open, how in the hell..."
[03:07] <elky> Is this something that's appeared overnight?
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> Exactly.  I specifically remember going through all of my teams and making sure they were set to "open" a while back, so was confused.
[03:07] <tonyyarusso> elky: apparently
[03:08] <h00k> Well, I noticed it this morning when I had an email requesting for a user to be approved
[03:08] <h00k> elky: ^
[03:08] <tonyyarusso> same
[06:48] <rww> !screenshot =~ s#http://tinyurl.com/imagebin#http://imagebin.org/?page=add#
[09:06] <jussi> oh bollocks. I think I mightve just deleted all my PM's... :/
[09:11] <elky> ouch
[09:11] <elky> this is incidentally why i like having bip logs as well as xchat logs
[09:12] <elky> if both those manage to go with one fell swoop, then hell, nothing was going to stop that
[11:34] <popey> bah r00t4rd3d is in -ot?
[11:35] <popey> He wins the award for most offensive mail I've received this year.
[11:35] <bazhang> yep, still reading the logs here to check for reactions
[11:35] <jussi> he just applied for -irc-members
[11:36] <popey> lovely
[11:36] <popey> o_O
[11:36] <elky> Ohh dear.
[11:36] <elky> gord, got your flaksuit on?
[11:37] <elky> popey, yeah, he hadn't done anything there yet other than some vaguely misogynist comments which we noticed after the fact.
[11:38] <elky> popey, with all due perspective, the year is only 18days old :P
[11:38] <popey> well, yes. :)
[11:38] <elky> do you mean "the past year's worth of days" then? Because I'm pretty sure that's both valid and true.
[11:39] <popey> I would need to invoke the google to check that one
[11:46] <jussi> any thoughts if I did the right thing there?
[11:46] <elky> Yeah. He was baiting.
[11:47] <bazhang> he was asked by two different people to move on, and kept pushing harder
[11:48] <tonyyarusso> There's been a string of (unidentified) people lately who always respond to warnings with something along the lines of telling the op in question that *they* are somehow breaking the guidelines.  I suspect it may all be one person.
[11:49] <jussi> be back in a few. feel free to PM him if you like
[11:50] <elky> Not necessarily. It's the MO of a particular group.
[11:50] <elky> s/the/one/
[11:51] <tonyyarusso> eh, I've seen group-like behavior along those lines before, but this week's -ot one's have been a pretty specific subset.
[11:59]  * tonyyarusso pokes gord
[11:59] <gord> hm?
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> gord: the guy you kicked came back
[11:59] <bazhang> gord, you going to follow up with r00t4r3d?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised he didn't get a namespace wide ban, tbh
[12:01] <elky> Hobbsee, if he doesn't smart up very quickly, I'm sure the CC will back me in instituting one.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> given what was on the irc ML
[12:01] <Hobbsee> that's true
[12:02] <elky> to be fair.
[12:03] <elky> I mean, I'd love to keep him banned from this channel given how distasteful he is, but this is a fresh round of dealings.
[12:04] <jussi> Ive just got a PM from him
[12:04] <jussi> I havent time to deal with it now - trying to get stuff done here at work
[12:04] <jussi> [14:02:03] <r00t4rd3d> come on
[12:04] <jussi> [14:02:15] <r00t4rd3d> why they trying to bait me like this
[12:04] <tonyyarusso> That's not even a real question.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> he's just trying to cause trouble.  make sure you give him no ammunition, and all is fine
[12:05] <Hobbsee> bonus points for ignoring PM's, and only talking to him in logged channels, for the purpose of the ban tracker, and ircc
[12:05] <elky> Hobbsee, see, the tricky part is that he interprets "being asked to follow rules" as ammunition.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> elky: yes, well
[12:06] <elky> Hobbsee, woo! I win there.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> elky: of course.  i was going with "the less that's said to him, the less he can use as ammunition"
[12:07] <Hobbsee> i guess i shoul dhave said "make sure you give him no ammunition beyond wha tyou need to"
[12:07] <Hobbsee> bah.  i swear i can type
[12:07]  * tonyyarusso sighs
[12:07] <jussi> I hear you, Im at the next level also, so have to deal with it there as well ;)
[12:07] <elky> Hobbsee, He also interprets not talking to him in PM but discussing with other ops as ammunition.
[12:07] <tonyyarusso> "This drive is 1/2" too long to fit in my case is turning into "spend $60 on Newegg to get parts that work"
[12:08] <elky> tonyyarusso, heh.
[12:08] <tonyyarusso> SATA drive, SATA card, SATA cable - argh
[12:08] <Hobbsee> elky: yay.  We can only deal with unreasonable behaviour.  If he's going to turn reasonable behaviour into ammunition, then that's unfortunate, but also shows more about him, and less about the ops team
[12:09] <elky> Yep. He can come here and try be reasonable.
[12:09] <gord> my standard with people is just to ask them to come into #ubuntu-ops to discuss, telling them further pms will be ignored and setting ignores on their pms, works out okay normally
[12:09] <Hobbsee> and make the ircc's decision easier to make, of course
[12:09] <elky> gord, yeah well... we'd needed to ban him from here. Thrice.
[12:10] <elky> I just lifted those to let him try a fresh round of appeals with hopefully 100% less insults.
[12:10] <gord> thats fine, if we are ignoring pms and he refuses to discuss in here then he just stays banned everywhere else
[12:10] <elky> That's also fine by me.
[12:15] <r00t4rd3d> banned again cause of my nick , I thought this was already dealt with.
[12:16] <gord> r00t4rd3d, i'm going to make this plain, the only way you will be allowed back into #ubuntu-offtopic is if you change your name, that is the only outcome here
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Well, you haven't changed nick, so...?
[12:16] <r00t4rd3d> Ok , Ill appeal
[12:20] <tonyyarusso> Just in case it somehow wasn't obvious to you, note that uburediculous is ubufind.
[12:21] <elky> WOuld it really be so wrong to seriously suggest banforwarding "usuario" to -es?
[12:22] <elky> With consent of the -es ops of course
[13:08] <jussi> gord: did you forget to remove r00t4rd3d?
[13:10] <gord> geez, why doesn't this script remove people too on ban
[13:10] <gord> rassinfrassinmakingmegetupandgototheothermachinegrumblegrumble
[13:12]  * popey tickles gord 
[13:14] <Pici> Seems gord is channeling saturday morning cartoons
[13:16] <Pici> lè sigh
[13:38] <jussi> topyli: ping?
[13:42]  * tonyyarusso hates the Canonical Store
[13:43] <tonyyarusso> $28 for shipping on a $15 item?  I don't think so.
[13:44] <bazhang> jungli using new cloak to ban evade in -ot; asked him to leave and he did
[13:44] <bazhang> athiest_monk
[13:45] <jussi> tonyyarusso: ++
[13:53] <topyli> jussi: crackle
[13:55] <Pici> tonyyarusso: theres a US store iirc.
[13:58] <popey> used to be, dont think there is anymore
[14:05] <bazhang> jungli has *two* cloaks now, spicemaster (unless that was removed) and now athiest_monk (which he is currently using to ban-evade in -ot)
[14:06] <jussi> !staff | jungli/athiest_monk etc ban evading in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:06] <jussi> stupid bot
[14:06] <knome> jussi :P
[14:07] <jussi> !staff | see above
[14:07] <jussi> oh duh
[14:07] <jussi> stupid netsplits
[14:07] <knome> congrats
[14:08] <jussi> shaddup... been a long day
[14:08] <knome> jussi, aww... *hugs jussi*
[14:08] <bazhang> h00k!
[14:08] <knome> (btw, the bot is back)
[14:10] <bazhang> nhandler, read your google docs item on opping; just to clarify is there any reason to post the raw log instead of a pastebin of the PM with the person you are discussing while they are +q ?
[14:10] <bazhang> seems quite common sensible btw
[14:22] <Pici> OzoneScaredyMan == Calico10
[14:23] <bazhang> yep
[14:23] <bazhang> jungli is banned in #ubuntu as well?
[14:23] <gord> i'm not a on a computer right now that has stuff to deal with people, if someone else could that would be grand
[14:27] <popey> gord: on the ac100? :)
[14:37] <h00k> what is the other nick/ident ban Athiest_Monk has under?
[14:37] <Pici> jungli
[14:37] <Pici> john_smith
[14:37] <bazhang> jungli
[14:37] <h00k> oooh. that one.
[14:37] <bazhang> spicemaster as well
[14:37] <h00k> fantastic. Same ident, or do those change?
[14:38] <bazhang> change
[14:41] <bazhang> hehe
[14:41] <bazhang> coffee time!
[14:42] <h00k> yessssss
[14:42] <bazhang> genii-around, !!!!
[14:42] <bazhang> :)
[14:49] <h00k> There's been a flood of interesting people in #ubuntu-offtopic lately
[14:50] <bazhang> hehe
[14:55] <popey> define $interesting
[14:57] <h00k> popey: I'm gonna go ahead and leave that ambiguous
[14:58] <popey> hehe, that last line made me think of http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/1999/images/officespace_lumbergh.jpg
[14:59]  * genii-around slides bazhang a yummy coffee
[15:00] <bazhang> thanks!
[15:02] <h00k> popey: I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to come in on Saturday... :D
[15:05] <popey> :)
[15:06] <rww> I don't get it. How do you ban-evade with a cloak if IP/hostname bans see through cloaks?
[15:06] <Pici> rww: they don't.
[15:07] <h00k> :)
[15:07] <rww> This disagrees with the last time I tested this. Guess I will go try again.
[15:07] <h00k> rww wants to ban-evade :(
[15:07] <Pici> rww: Make sure that you identify before joining the channel.
[15:08] <Pici> I'm seriously considering asking OzoneScaredyMan to stop disrupting the channel.
[15:09] <Pici> that works too
[15:09] <rww> IP bans still work and hostname bans don't. wth.
[15:09] <IdleOne> dude he is bablling on about who knows what
[15:10] <bazhang> jasono?
[15:10] <popey> away message
[15:10] <h00k> ^ this
[15:10] <rww> has been given !away more than a handful of times now
[15:10] <bazhang> aww
[15:10] <h00k> ahha.
[15:10] <bazhang> The Cape sounded nice too
[15:11] <bazhang> unless he meant Cape Fear!
[15:12] <rww> oh joy, they disconnected between me removing them and me /msging them.
[15:14] <IdleOne> so which ban evasion were you talking bout?>
[15:18] <rww> jasono: Hi. Over the last few days, you've been asked repeatedly by ubottu to stop your IRC client from announcing away messages. I've banforwarded you here from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic because you apparently missed those messages.
[15:18] <rww> jasono: Having your client announce your away message is not allowed by Ubuntu's IRC Guidelines, as it causes excessive scrolling. People can /whois you if they want your away status, you don't need to output it to channel.
[15:19] <rww> jasono: Please fix this and then let me know, and I'll remove the banforwards. Thanks.
[15:21] <rww> or, more correctly, someone else will, because it's work time for me. I nominate h00k!
[15:42] <OzoneScaredyMan> i have come here to help you with your intelligence information. I am not related to any bad man . I am just waiting for my mom to get home from the store. i apologize if i am different. you have no need to be worried
[15:42] <OzoneScaredyMan> i feel responsible for telling you that i am not like other people for a diagnosed reason
[15:43] <OzoneScaredyMan> so it may help for you to not profile me like the others. this is to prevent guilty before proven innocent mentality
[15:43] <jasono> rww I mam sorry, please calm down because this is my first year using IRrc. Gosh! I won't use it again.
[15:43] <OzoneScaredyMan> thanks and have a wonderful evening
[15:45] <popey> jasono: rww is perfectly calm, he's just explaining some rules of the road.
[15:46] <jasono> Give ,e a break. popey you told be to use /away yesterday
[15:46] <popey> Actually I didnt. I just said please switch off the announcements when you're away.
[15:47] <popey> using /away is a great way to tell others that you're away from the computer, announcing it in every channel is less useful :)
[15:47] <jasono> Me using /away announces it in every channel
[15:48] <IdleOne> jasono: what client are you using?
[15:48] <hypatia> and we're asking you to turn that off, jasono
[15:48] <hypatia> that's all
[15:48] <jasono> when can I join Ubuntu-off topic?
[15:48] <jasono> hypatia I know
[15:48] <jasono> IdleOne I am using XChat
[15:48] <IdleOne> ok, go to settings > preferences > General and uncheck the "Announce away messages"
[15:49] <h00k> IdleOne: our resident xchat xpert!
[15:49] <IdleOne> that will disable the announcing in channels
[15:49] <IdleOne> then you should be able to use /away away msg here and we will only see it if we /whois you
[15:50] <jasono> Thank you IdleOne instead of yelling like these people.
[15:51] <IdleOne> jasono: they weren't yelling, they were just trying to explain the channel policies :) but I am glad we got it sorted. thanks for your understanding
[15:51] <h00k> Cool.
[15:51] <IdleOne> can an -ot op remove the ban please
[15:51] <h00k> sure, let me check it out
[15:52] <IdleOne> you can rejoin #ubuntu also now
[15:52] <h00k> jasono: you should be set to join #ubuntu-offtopic now
[15:53] <IdleOne> Again, thanks for your cooperation
[15:55] <jasono> IdleOne No problem
[15:55] <jasono> hook Thank you
[16:04] <gord> popey, he's in #u-uk now
[16:11] <rww> h00k, IdleOne: thanks :)
[16:11] <IdleOne> no problem
[17:05] <cprofitt> hello folks...
[17:05] <Tm_T> hi cprofitt
[17:05] <cprofitt> is aanyone here that is familiar with the r00t4rd3d issue?
[17:06] <cprofitt> he is talking to me as the lead contact for the loco he is a member of
[17:07] <Tm_T> cprofitt: I'm not aware him being any kind of contact
[17:07] <Tm_T> oh, you mean you are?
[17:07] <cprofitt> he is not -- I am
[17:07] <cprofitt> he tells me there was a misunderstanding...
[17:07] <Tm_T> cprofitt: sorry my bad, I'm aware of the issue, how can I help?
[17:07] <cprofitt> and not sure how to help resolve it or if I am gettng the truth
[17:08] <cprofitt> np
[17:08] <Tm_T> cprofitt: shortly said, he flips and goes attacking any ops who dares to say anything he could take as negative
[17:09] <cprofitt> ok...
[17:09] <cprofitt> that is not good...
[17:09] <Tm_T> it all might have started as misunderstanding, but things have been escalated beyond the line by his actions
[17:09] <cprofitt> would he be able to come in here and apologize... I think I have him down from angry
[17:10] <Tm_T> cprofitt: I would rather see his apology in ubuntu-irc mailing list, but you might like to consult the IRCC on this
[17:11] <cprofitt> I could have him do that too...
[17:11] <cprofitt> thanks Tm_T
[17:11] <Tm_T> cprofitt: just don't even try to promise his ban would be lifted in any near future (:
[17:11] <Tm_T> and thank you for all the time on this
[17:12] <cprofitt> no problem... it happens...
[17:12] <cprofitt> I just want people to enjoy Ubuntu
[17:12] <Tm_T> same here (:
[17:21] <Pici> cprofitt: I worry that you're wasting your time.  Even frustrated people don't threaten to visit your house or suggestively say that your daughter is cute.
[17:24] <cprofitt> Pici: I understand...
[17:24] <cprofitt> I did not have any real background
[17:25] <cprofitt> he made quite a few nasty accusations so to things people said about him too... I dismissed those and told him his only path was to calm down and apologize
[17:31] <jussi> He needs to start by changing his nick. ;)
[17:46] <mneptok> why do these types never threaten to visit MY house?
[17:49] <jussi> mneptok: because you would enjoy it?
[17:49] <jussi> :P
[17:50] <mneptok> http://mneptok.com/bang.jpg
[17:50] <mneptok> maybe it's that.
[17:51] <jussi> mneptok: it was with a lot of trepidation that I clicked that link...
[17:52] <mneptok> try the mouse next time. it works better.
[17:53] <jussi> heh
[17:54] <cprofitt> jussi: that has apparently been his nick for 6 years
[17:54] <mneptok> cprofitt: doesn't make it less inflammatory and puerile.
[17:54] <cprofitt> mneptok: I understand that point of view
[17:54] <mneptok> cprofitt: he seems to have aged 6 years using that nick, but not matured at the same rate, IMO.
[17:55] <cprofitt> I can also understand it being difficult for a person to just drop and change
[17:55] <mneptok> cprofitt: any user is welcome to use any nick they want. we're all adults here. and like adults, users should accept the consequences of their choices.
[17:56] <cprofitt> I would 100% agree it the base of the name was not r00t
[17:56] <cprofitt> I certainly see the most people would not see that subtle difference... and did advise him to change his nick
[17:57] <jussi> cprofitt: the fact is, he has a nick that equates to "retarded" - which isnt something I or the other ops find appropriate.
[17:57] <cprofitt> I am trying to be respectful
[17:57] <mneptok> cprofitt: when i joined Canonical, i was able to point to years for IRC history using the nick "mneptok"
[17:57] <mneptok> cprofitt: so keeping a nick is wholly understandable.
[17:58] <cprofitt> jussi: his nick would be rootarded... he said he chose it because he had issue with using Linux at first... I do not wish to judge him based on his original purpose was to make fun of himself...
[17:58] <mneptok> cprofitt: however, if i had asked Mark to look at my IRC contributions under a nick like "r00t4rd3d," i don't think i would have been hired.
[17:58] <cprofitt> at the same time he needs to be respectful... but calling him immature is likely not the best way to ask for him to see another point of view
[17:59] <cprofitt> mneptok: I agree... and understand.
[17:59] <cprofitt> I am just trying, as best I can, to see his side
[17:59] <cprofitt> even if I do not agree with him
[17:59] <mneptok> forget the nick issue.
[18:00] <mneptok> he was asked to /join this channel, and proceeded to argue and complain about every action we requested he take.
[18:00] <mneptok> that's unacceptable Ubuntu IRC behavior. full stop. the discussion of "sides" ends there.
[18:01] <cprofitt> I understand and appreciate what you guys do mneptok
[18:01] <mneptok> he then decided to watch the HTML-ified logs, look for anything he could complain about, and come here to throw it in our faces.
[18:02] <cprofitt> mneptok: thanks... I am not advocating for him... and I have to run to a meeting
[18:02] <mneptok> i don't care about the nick as much as i do his apparent beleif that the rules that apply to everyone somehow do not apply to him.
[18:02]  * cprofitt nods
[18:02] <cprofitt> I agree completely
[18:02] <mneptok> cprofitt: i know you're not. just be careful about where you choose to expend your time and effort.
[18:02] <cprofitt> the information I got from a few others indicates his reaction was more of an issue
[18:03] <cprofitt> mneptok: I understand... I have given this only a wee bit of time...
[18:03] <cprofitt> gotta run to that meeting...
[18:03] <cprofitt> bbl
[18:03] <jussi> cprofitt: please part from here and come back if you need us again ;)
[18:03] <cprofitt> thanks
[18:04] <mneptok> now let's wait for the logs to get pushed to the web, and expect the inevitable.
[18:17] <mneptok> @login
[18:25] <bencahill> A question in #u: robbit10> bencahill: About !patience: When you have asked a question and about 10 minutes have passed, is it okay to ask again
[18:26] <bencahill> I said this: <bencahill> robbit10: not an op, but I would say if it's been 10 minutes, rephrase your question and you can ask again. don't ask more than two or three times in an hour, come back at a later time, or figure it out yourself. again, just my opinion though, don't know what the ops think :)
[18:26] <bencahill> What do ya'll say?
[18:28] <Pici> bencahill: I'd say that once every 10 minutes is fine, but it really depends on how busy the channel is.
[18:29] <bencahill> Pici: Thanks, good to know.
[18:29] <bencahill> I suppose I shall leave now. :)
[23:03] <elky> Well, since he gave permission:
 fat fucking slob , your lucky your a 12 hour flight away from me
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[23:04] <IdleOne> when was this?
[23:06] <elky> 2.5hrs ago
[23:06] <IdleOne> just out of the blue?
[23:07] <elky> I'd imagine it's his way of thanking me for unbanning him from this channel so he could come in and discuss his situation.
[23:09]  * rww ponders today's Grexo nick in #u-ot
[23:10] <elky> rww save me reading scrollback?
[23:10] <rww> elky: JPL2
[23:10] <rww> He's being sane today. I think I will leave him alone.
[23:11] <elky> Yeah, that'll only be a limited time offer.
[23:45] <h00k> act now!
[23:45] <h00k> for two easy payments of...
[23:47] <mneptok> NOW how much would you pay!? don't answer yet! because you also get .... REVERSI!
[23:47]  * h00k kicks mneptok in the shin
[23:48] <h00k> Paste this car into your document, now with Miami Vice
[23:48] <h00k> *stupid collar thing*