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NikediaHello00:05
hamitronhi00:05
NikediaDon't suppose you know how to update ayttm as there website on sourceforge has an update00:05
hamitronerm00:06
hamitronhave you installed it through the repositries?00:07
NikediaI am running Mint.. so I installed it via the software manager00:07
popeythere's barely any difference between 0.6.2 in ubuntu and 0.6.3 on their website00:07
popeyNikedia: we don't provide support for mint :)00:07
Nikediawhat about Facebook?00:07
Nikediado you know if it has facebook?00:07
popeyo_O00:07
Nikediachat that is..00:07
popeythe website doesn't mention it00:08
popeyhttp://ayttm.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ayttm/ayttm;a=blob_plain;f=ChangeLog;hb=AYTTM_0_6_300:08
hamitronfacebook has chat? :|00:08
popeynothing on that page mentioning facebook00:08
popeyyes hamitron00:08
popeywelcome to last year00:08
hamitronk ;)00:08
popey:)00:08
Nikedialol00:08
Nikediathats cool. thank you for your help as I know you dont support Mint..00:08
popeyhave you tried pidgin?00:09
hamitrona pleasure anyway :)00:09
popeyi believe there is a facebook chat addon for that?00:09
Nikediayeah crashes00:09
hamitron:/00:09
Nikediawhen you attempt to load up the network it crashes :S00:09
popey:S00:10
popeysorry, you've reached the end of my knowledge on the subject00:10
popeyI don't have a facebook account00:10
* hamitron neither00:10
popey^500:10
Nikediaok no problems.. thank you for your assistance.00:10
popeynp00:11
hamitronhmmm, I should update from ICQ to skype or google chat :/00:11
ali1234Nikedia: you have three choices:00:11
ali1234you can get the source package from mint repositories, update the source code inside to newest version, fix all debian patches, and rebuild it00:12
ali1234or, you can remove the deb package and install from source. but then you won't get updates00:12
hamitronor quit facebook00:13
hamitron;)00:13
ali1234or, you can bug the debian maintainer to do it for you, then bug the mint maintainer to import the new debian package00:13
Nikediayeah that sounds good..  leave fb lol00:13
* hamitron as non-productive as normal ;/00:13
* Nikedia Agrees00:13
Nikedianot that I know you.. sorry00:14
hamitron:)00:14
hamitronuse the source as a temp solution sounds easiest00:16
Nikediaprob not gonna bother tbh,,00:16
hamitroneven easier00:16
Nikediatoo much hassle for just an chat client00:16
ali1234install ubuntu, pidgin works on ubuntu...00:16
hamitronhehe00:16
ali1234i'm using it right now...00:16
* hamitron too00:16
Nikedialol00:16
hamitronnot crashed for over 8 months00:17
Nikediai normally use Trillian but its windows only :*(00:17
ali1234although i don't have facebook plugin installed... maybe that makes it crash00:17
ali1234i have used pidgin + facebook xmpp before... but that isn't as good apparently00:17
hamitronwhat is Empathy?00:18
hamitron:|00:18
hamitronit has facebook chat00:19
ali1234!info empathy00:19
lubotu3empathy (source: empathy): GNOME multi-protocol chat and call client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.1-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 834 kB, installed size 2400 kB00:19
ali1234it's only the default IM program on ubuntu...00:19
Nikediayeah that doesnt connect either :S just displays network connection error..00:19
hamitronI am only a partial ubuntu user....00:19
* hamitron sighs00:28
hamitron41gb hdd free, need 105gb00:29
hamitron;)00:29
UtrinqueParatusDoes anyone have any experience installing workstation 7.0.0 in ubuntu 10.10 x64?00:29
UtrinqueParatusvmware ^00:29
hamitronno00:30
hamitronif not supported at time of release, do they still provide a patch to compile?00:31
hamitronanyany or something00:31
UtrinqueParatusthere is a patch and i have applied it which got me past the kernel headers issue but now its failing to rebuild vm modules00:31
hamitronhttp://pario.no/2010/10/02/installing-vmware-workstation-7-1-1-64-bit-on-ubuntu-10-10/00:34
hamitronnot sure though, so read carefully00:34
UtrinqueParatusyeah i tried everything there earlier today00:34
UtrinqueParatusthanks thoug00:34
hamitronk :/00:35
UtrinqueParatuss/thoug/though00:35
hamitroncoffee and refreshments time I feel00:54
hamitronbrb00:54
hamitronbk01:04
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UtrinqueParatuscan anyone recommend anything similar to visio to create HLD's?01:51
enthdegreew/c02:48
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MonsterKillerHey. I have a file in a dir called hldsupdatetool.bin but when i do ./hldsupdatetool.bin it says it doesnt exist.07:18
MonsterKillerhttp://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbeesbrerjhhwj07:18
MonsterKilleridk whats wrong :/07:18
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MooDoohello all08:16
MooDoomonsterkiller: does it have execute permissions?08:16
AlanBello/ all08:19
MooDooAlanBell: morning08:20
TheOpenSourcerermorning earthlings08:23
kazademorning all08:27
diploMorning all08:27
danfishlo08:32
* danfish notes that TheOpenSourcerer is in 'alien overlord' mode today 08:33
MooDoodanfish: shhh don't say that, he's watching....08:34
MartijnVdSso that's what all those CCTV cameras are for08:34
MooDooisn't that right....er my lord :)08:34
MartijnVdSMooDoo: ah! Alan "Alien Over" Lord?08:35
MooDooMartijnVdS: yup :)08:36
MartijnVdShiding it in plain sight08:36
MartijnVdSclever!08:36
* TheOpenSourcerer goes to look for his laser gun...08:38
MartijnVdS♫ "The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million to one", he said08:39
dwatkinsGreat radio play, that, MartijnVdS :)08:40
dwatkins...and good morning fellow humans08:41
MartijnVdSdwatkins: it's the only way to picture alien invasion of Britain.. cylinders from Mars :)08:41
DJonesMorning all08:41
AlanBellmillion to one chances seem to comes up nine times out of ten08:47
dwatkinsIndeed, AlanBell.08:47
MartijnVdSAlanBell: About one in four people think that, yes08:47
czajkowskiAloha08:51
MooDooczajkowski: morning, how are you feeling today?08:51
czajkowskino improvement08:51
czajkowskibut made it into office08:52
MooDooczajkowski: ok just checking :)08:52
gordgood morning all08:56
jpdsMoin.08:57
* czajkowski pokes jpds 08:58
czajkowskiello08:58
* dwatkins discovers that Virgin Media never cancelled his account despite saying they had09:02
MooDoodwatkins: still been paying for it?09:03
dwatkinsMooDoo: they agreed to back-date the charges, but I was, yes.09:03
MooDoodwatkins: well as long as you're getting the money back :)09:04
dwatkinsyeah, MooDoo - I shouldn't have had to call up, but ultimately, yes.09:04
Davieydwatkins, the same happend with me... except i had cancelled the DD.09:10
dwatkinsDaviey: I also cancelled the DD, so I'll have to pay them manually, I expect. Oh well, their fault, ultiimately.09:11
dwatkinsI knew I should have written to them.09:11
Davieydwatkins, I did write to them, they only listened when i quoted the royal mail tracking number...09:15
dwatkinsDaviey: yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored a letter for a month anyway.09:15
jpdsLetter? Don't people use emails nowadays?09:16
dwatkinsjpds: they can get lost also09:18
popeymorning09:19
TheOpenSourcererHmm - QT Libs/Apps in Natty+1 by default? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/56809:21
Myrtti ho-hum. neck and shoulder is still really sore.09:21
MyrttiI'm slowly starting to be annoyed by this impairment09:22
czajkowskiMooDoo: tried a hot shower to help relieve some of the pressure09:23
czajkowskibah09:23
Myrttino, not yet09:23
czajkowskiMyrtti: tried a hot shower to relieve, put the pressure on the spots09:24
Myrttihad to turn the laptop on to atleast look like I'm in work09:24
czajkowskishould help losen the tension there09:24
Myrttialthough I can do that on my phone, found a relatively good XMPP client for Android09:24
MooDooczajkowski: i see what you did there, moo is quite the same as myr ;)09:24
Myrttibut yeah, not yet. I'm planning to, might even venture out to find a pharmacy and try to get some medication09:25
czajkowskiMyrtti: if you can get a heat pad they work a treat09:28
dwatkinsHope it doesn't last long, Myrtti.09:33
dwatkinsMy arms are aching today, but it's mostly self-inflicted from excercise.09:34
BigRedSsee, excercise is bad for you09:35
dwatkinsBigRedS: only if you don't do enough of it.09:36
DJonesHave to agree BigRedS, people who exercise always seem to have more injuries than people who don't09:36
dwatkinsDJones: that's quite a sweeping generaliation.09:37
dwatkinsAlso, I broke my ankle in 2001 and wasn't excercising at the time.09:37
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Qt :)09:37
TheOpenSourcererI note similar consequences of exercise to DJones.09:37
MyrttiI ruptured two discs in 2007 and I still don't have all the sensation back on my right leg09:38
gordqt is nice, but i have a hard time thinking of any qt applications i actually want/need =\09:39
gordskype is qt i guess right?09:39
popeyyeah09:39
popeydigikam?09:39
DJonesdwatkins: Thats just from personal experience, although I have to exclude my wife who gets injured sitting on the couch09:39
popeyamarok?09:39
bigcalmMorning peeps :)09:39
TheOpenSourcererI wonder if there is a "killer" app that SABDFL wants in Ubuntu...09:39
MyrttiScribus09:39
popeyother than thunderbird?09:39
gordwell i have gtk equivalents that i prefer over them09:39
Myrttithere is not Scribus equivalent imo09:39
TheOpenSourcererpopey: TB is not Qt as you well know. Trouble maker. ;-)09:40
gordscribus ain't getting on the CD anytime soon i think09:40
popeyI didnt say it was :p09:40
Myrttigord: well, no, but it uses Qt09:40
DJonesMyrtti: My wife did that a few years back, she still has regular spells of pain & discs moving causing problems, don't think it'll ever go away09:40
Myrttiyou weren't limiting your "applications I actually want/need" to those that would be on the cd09:40
TheOpenSourcererAnyway - off to a meeting. Back laterz. Now GET BACK TO WORK ALL OF YOU!!!!09:41
dwatkinsDJones: oh wow, I hope she's ok09:41
* popey gets back to work09:41
gordbut i just DID some work the other day!09:41
gord:(09:41
MyrttiDJones: yup, same with me - I have trouble shaving my right leg because I can't feel where the blades are09:41
j0nrI personally think exercise done properly keeps you less prone to injury.09:41
Myrttiatleast I can feel my toes nowadays09:41
j0nrdepends on the exercise obviously09:42
j0nrI used to work out with weights, I have been off it for a few years now, due to job and kids, and feel awful, cant sit on the floor for too long, simple jobs make my muscles ache, cos my body is not used to being used. Feel much more likely to sprain something09:43
DJonesdwatkins: She's ok generally, but working in a job with a lot of driving to patients and constant bending over them once she gets to their house does put strain on it09:43
DJonesj0nr: Thats just a consequence of increasing age :)09:48
dwatkinsDJones: yeah, I can well imagine - I had problems with my back in the past, so can relate to that09:48
dwatkinsI was surprised that my brother started doing dancing, but he seems a lot healthier for it.09:48
dwatkinsHe's nearly 40, and has 2 kids.09:48
DJonesWe did that a couple of years ago & it was surprising how much it helps to tone up09:50
dwatkinsI have a colleague who does capoeira, sounds like fun but also sounds pretty hard.09:51
MooDoodwatkins: lots of spins and kicks :)09:51
dwatkinsLike kick-boxking, I guess.09:51
MooDoodwatkins: not really09:51
dwatkinsoh ok09:51
MooDoodwatkins: it's more like a dance [ish]09:52
dwatkinsSo I gather, yes.09:52
Nafallocapoeira is a brazilian street dance, yes.09:53
MooDoohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xxgFpK-NM09:53
DJonesWe want to start dancing again, its just trying to find classes & a time when we could fit it in09:53
jpdsNafallo: You would know.09:53
Nafallojpds: I would indeed.09:54
Nafalloit was one of the other martial arts I concidered before I started Muay Thai.09:54
MooDooescrima is pretty good :)09:55
MooDooaikido is good as well, but for someone 6'6 it's a pain being thrown to the floor all the time lol09:55
* Nafallo will still prefer Muay Thai, it's just enough violent.09:56
Nafallo;-)09:56
MooDooNafallo: yes in deed :)09:57
Nafalloat least that's the main reason I did that one :-P09:57
j0nrDJones: Yeah I know, but I do feel if I were more active I would feel more capable to sit on the damn floor!10:09
j0nrI lock up if I sit cross-legged on the floor for too long. am only 32!10:09
DJonesj0nr: Just do what I do, don't sit, just sort of crumple in a heap10:10
j0nrWhen th boys grow up a bit (both under 3 atm) then I will get back into looking after myself a bit more. Just no time at the mo10:10
j0nrDJones: Heh heh10:10
popeyj0nr: no you wont :)10:10
MooDooj0nr: i know that feeling :D10:11
j0nrpopey: :) don't spoil my illusion10:11
squigjoin #python10:15
squigoops!10:16
bigcalmpopey: hehe aww10:16
bigcalm20 mins a day on the wii fit - I'm feeling fine10:16
bigcalmHumm, gmail being slow for anybody else today?10:17
MartijnVdSbigcalm: not slower than usual10:17
bigcalmMartijnVdS: it's hanging on the loading screen for me10:17
bigcalmUsually experience no lag at all10:18
MartijnVdSbigcalm: if it hangs on "Loading" it'll offer the HTML version, won't it?10:18
DJonesbigcalm: Its fine for me10:18
bigcalmIt does, but I don't want to use that10:18
MartijnVdSbigcalm: but does that work?10:18
bigcalmThen I shall blame Virgin Media!10:18
MartijnVdSbigcalm: maybe you should disable some labs bits?10:18
bigcalmWe’re sorry, but your Gmail account is temporarily unavailable.10:19
* bigcalm grumbles10:19
Silver_Fox_Hello.10:19
bigcalmLogging out and back in fixed things10:19
DJonesMorning Silver_Fox_10:19
Silver_Fox_Hello DJones ,  how are you?10:20
MooDooSilver_Fox_: hello10:20
Silver_Fox_Hi MooDoo :)  How are you doing?10:20
DJonesSilver_Fox_: Not bad thanks, you ok?10:20
MooDooSilver_Fox_: i'm fine thanks for asking :)10:20
MartijnVdSbigcalm: rotten cookie :)10:21
Silver_Fox_Thats wonderful to hear MooDoo10:21
MooDooSilver_Fox_: and what about your good self?10:22
MartijnVdShm.. I like that letterfu idea for the "my printer works" test page :)10:22
MyrttiI wonder how long I should have stood under the shower to make the shoulder ok. The water pressure here is quite high, even higher than in Finland - started to feel the rust smelling water would start peeling my skin off soon10:23
Silver_Fox_Erm, I'm alright I guess MooDoo .  I think I am well again =)10:23
czajkowskiMyrtti: about 10-15 mins can help10:23
czajkowskibut the heat pad will work wonders10:24
bigcalmHaving a shower head that can pulse the water flow can help10:24
DJonesThat reminds me I need to unblock the pulse part of our shower head10:26
MooDooczajkowski: Myrtti you can also get cold pads, they help as well10:26
MooDooSilver_Fox_: been poorly?10:26
Silver_Fox_MooDoo,  Well I took my first sick day in 2/3 years yesterday :)10:27
MooDooSilver_Fox_: oh dear, not this flu thing that's going around?10:28
gordi have heard a lot of people speak wonders about heat pads10:28
Silver_Fox_I'm alright though,  just keeping busy with some projects, the forums and real life  @ MooDoo10:28
MooDooSilver_Fox_: good good :D10:28
MyrttiI wish I were sickly in UK or Finland, this sucks10:29
czajkowskiMooDoo: Myrtti or get a can of deep heat and cover the area10:29
Silver_Fox_Flu / cold thing.  Sort of reared its head last friday about 3ish10:29
MartijnVdSczajkowski: unless it's a tendon, then cold > heat10:29
MooDooSilver_Fox_: yup i've had it myself :(10:30
Silver_Fox_Oh and my usual banter with Joeb454 has been keeping me quite busy. Speaking of which must go find him...10:31
MooDooSilver_Fox_: banter rocks :)10:31
* MooDoo prods czajkowski 10:31
Laneyargh10:36
LaneyI charge my phone overnight, and in the morning it has the same battery level as it did when I went to sleep10:36
MartijnVdSLaney: somewhere in the 90-100% range?10:37
Laneyno, that would be understandable10:37
Laneyit was on 'low battery'10:37
MartijnVdSLaney: are you using a "real" charger, or an USB port on a computer?10:37
MartijnVdSLaney: is the phone running some CPU/battery-intensive task in the background?10:37
Laneyit was a real charger, and no I closed everything10:38
Laneyalways possible something is running though I suppose10:38
MartijnVdStime to buy a new charger :)10:38
* Laney runs top10:39
Laneyyeah well it was an old nokia charger run through an adaptor to micro-usb10:40
Laneyso I suppose that could be suspect10:40
DJonesHow old is the battery, could be faulty10:40
Laneyup to a year I suppose10:41
MyrttiLaney: N900? does the USB port wiggle? :-/10:42
winterweaverhow do I kill an app that I started in the terminal, after I pressed ctrl-Z instead of ctrl-C? It says the program is still running10:42
Laneyfg will resume it10:42
LaneyMyrtti: yes, and I haven't noticed that10:42
* Laney looks10:42
Myrttibe careful10:42
Laneydoesn't seem wiggly. Strange thing is that it always says that it's charging.10:43
LaneyI've seen it say that the phone is drawing more power than it's getting before, but that didn't happen either10:43
* Laney spots http://mynewn95.blogspot.com/2010/01/n900-battery-not-charging-after.html (and it did discharge completely)10:44
winterweaverthx10:46
Laneywinterweaver: ctrl-z is 'suspend', you can then run 'fg' to get the task back to the foreground or 'bg' to continue it in the background10:47
winterweavercool, hope I'll remember that in future :)10:48
bigcalmpopey: dot to dot!10:53
popey:)10:53
MooDoopopey: bigcalm a dot to dot of sladen :)10:54
popeyA dot to dot of a brompton!10:54
Laneyletterfu is pretty cute10:58
* Laney should read the ML sometime10:58
davmor2morning all11:01
dogmatic69o/11:01
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screen-xmorning :)11:11
andylockran howdy11:22
BigRedSg'morning!11:23
andylockranyou well11:23
andylockran?11:23
andylockrantop of the morning to ya11:23
diploAzelphur, did you sort nagios ?11:27
Azelphurdiplo, indeed, only to find out that my effort was largely ported as nagios is abandoned and forked now11:35
Azelphur:D11:35
diploIt's got forks but not abandoned though ?11:37
diploI use nagios all over the place11:37
Azelphurdiplo, oh ;p11:38
Azelphurdiplo, apparently icinga is what I'm meant to be using11:38
diploWas going to say you could just use check_procs11:38
Azelphuro.O11:39
diploit's an alternative based on nagios code, I don't like it that much, i prefer some parts11:39
DJonesHeh, Facebook has backtracked on letting applications have access to users addresses & mobile numbers11:39
Azelphuryou dont like icinga?11:39
diploDont like all of it, like parts11:39
Azelphur:p11:40
diploCentreon is nice but a biatch to configure, which is a front end to nagios11:40
MyrttiDJones: I didn't mind having my info on Facebook before, but now with the app access, I took them off11:40
Azelphurdiplo, I mostly have nagios working anyway, just need check_game11:41
DJonesMyrtti: I didn't have mine on, but it did make me go and double check that I didn't just in case I'd forgotten I'd put them on11:41
AzelphurI got nagircbot and nagdroid working :D11:41
diplonice, will have to do a write up of your setup at some point, always interested in stuff like that :)11:43
* dwatkins never put his mobile number on facebook for exactly this kind of reason11:43
Myrttiujujujuuuuu I heard a little snap from my neck11:43
BigRedSI went to remove all my personal information from it the other day, and didn't fund any :)11:44
DJonesI was tempted to put the phone of privacy international in mine :)11:44
Azelphurdiplo, haha I hardly understand it myself11:44
DJonesMyrtti: Hopefully the noise was something slipping back into place11:46
dwatkinsI get that a lot from my neck, my wrists, my ankles and my back, Myrtti.11:46
dwatkinsI gather it's nitrogen suddenly going back into a part of the joint.11:47
livingdaylightgood moerning11:47
Myrttiwhat does "arm's length body" mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Council11:49
popeynot close11:50
DJonesAny transactions it makes are at arms length & not to benefit its own administrators11:50
DJonesMyrtti: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Aboutus/OrganisationsthatworkwithDH/Armslengthbodies/DH_410557711:51
DJonesMaybe a better definition http://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/content/137/arms-length-government11:54
Myrttiright11:57
DJonesIt sounds like another name for a Quango12:00
livingdaylightMyrtti, something not to be touched with a barge pole, even?12:02
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czajkowskidanfish: you about ?12:10
Myrttiawwww was watching bbc news and changed the channel because it was boring and then realised other channels are in foreign :-(12:11
popeyhah12:11
popey"In foreign"12:11
MartijnVdSMyrtti: but you understand foreign!12:11
Myrttioooo pokemon12:11
dwatkinsIt appears an "arm's length body" is a quango, or quasi non-governmental organisation12:12
Myrttiooo cnn12:12
brobostigonafternoonings all.12:12
dwatkinsthat's what wikipedia seems to think anyway.12:12
MyrttiMartijnVdS: these people seem to speak the kind of foreign that makes little sense to me12:14
AlanBelldwatkins: it is something that isn't supposed to look political12:15
dwatkinsAlanBell: aha I see12:15
SuperMattI've just tried burning the natty iso to cd... it's too big12:24
czajkowskiSuperMatt: its in the documentation, need to be a USB I think12:25
SuperMattk12:25
SuperMattcan it be burnt to dvd?12:25
AlanBellor dvd12:25
Laneysometimes the ISOs get oversized during the course of a cycle12:25
SuperMattyeah, it's no biggie, I have loads of blank dvds hanging around12:30
SuperMattjust for some reason it wasn't working on my usb12:30
czajkowskiSuperMatt: oh likewise12:33
czajkowskiwhere are you having issues?12:33
SuperMattyeah12:33
SuperMattuhm12:33
SuperMattduring boot12:33
SuperMattsomething about not being able to read something12:33
SuperMattdvd will do just fine though12:34
czajkowskihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/70355212:34
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 703552 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Unity won't install via usb as a clean install" [Undecided,Incomplete]12:34
davmor2czajkowski: why does that read unity won't install, surely it should read ubiquity?12:35
czajkowskiwe're gonna blame the way you have to enter text12:36
czajkowskiand ev didnt comment on it :D12:36
=== brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon
SuperMattyup, dvd is working fine12:37
czajkowskiso tis the USB!12:38
SuperMattyeah, it's working flawlessly from the dvd12:46
czajkowskifeckin usb12:47
SuperMattnext up: installing centos :/12:49
davmor2czajkowski: have you tried a different usb stick?12:49
SuperMattthat's one thing I don't care much for12:49
SuperMattdavmor2: it's me with the problems, and no12:49
SuperMattI don't have a spare right now :(12:49
davmor2SuperMatt: czajkowski had a similar issue12:50
SuperMattoh right12:50
SuperMattwell I'm installing natty on my test box, I wanna see what it's like these days12:50
czajkowskidavmor2: yup12:50
pr0ph3thi all12:52
MooDoohello pr0ph3t12:52
SuperMattoh god, grub won't install >.<12:53
SuperMattI'll see if centos will install ok12:54
screen-xI have a printer shared via cups, how do I work out what the ipp url to access it is?13:00
davmor2screen-x: for what?  If it's ubuntu all you need to do is select show printers shared by other systems in printing.13:03
screen-xdavmor2: the printer is shared by an ubuntu system, but I need to connect to it from an old CLI only suse install.13:03
DJonesDo you not just got to http://ipaddress:631 and can pick the ip address/printer name up from there13:04
screen-xDJones: I  know the address and the printer name, but not sure how the url should be formed.. ipp://host/printer? ipp://host/queue/printer? etc13:05
DJonesscreen-x: Ah, ok, I did that to connect a shared printer to a windows box, but that was using the http:// address, not the ipp address13:06
screen-xDJones: maybe I could use http instead.. how did you form the url?13:07
davmor2screen-x: ipp://ipadress:631/printer/name of printer13:07
screen-xdavmor2: thanks :)13:07
davmor2screen-x: sorry it's ipp://ipaddress:631/printers/name of printer13:08
davmor2not printer13:08
screen-xok :)13:08
popeyI CAN HAZ FALAFEL!13:12
popeythat is all13:12
popeyi have a premonition13:13
popeykaushal will arrive shortly...13:13
* czajkowski steals popey FALAFEL!13:15
Myrttichickpeas are EVIL13:16
MyrttiEVIL I TELL YOU13:16
* popey has chickpeas too!13:16
popeyIt's a Feta & Falafel Snackpot from M&S.13:17
czajkowskisounds fancy13:17
popey"With butternut squash, cumin roasted carrot, chickpeas, spinach and tagine sauce"13:17
czajkowskigetting used t chickpeas13:17
popeyit's bloomin lush!13:17
czajkowskijust had a chilli concarni13:17
popeyI bought two :)13:17
czajkowskiohhh Cumin roasted carrot DIVINE13:17
czajkowskilove roasted carrots with some honey over them13:18
popeyooo now..13:18
popeyparsnips13:18
popeyvegetable of the gods13:18
popey[FACT]13:18
MartijnVdS[citation needed]13:19
Myrtticumin and chickpeas... please tell me it has raw celery stalks too13:19
czajkowskicarrot and parsnip mash YUMMY!!13:19
popeynope Myrtti13:19
popeynot quite fully evil on the Myrtti-scale13:19
Myrttiso it's just about edible, not downright dangerous13:20
Myrttiok ;-)13:20
popey:)13:20
czajkowskipopey: is Frimley the address or is it Frimley, Camberley,13:21
popeyfrimley, camberley, surrey13:22
czajkowskithanks13:22
MartijnVdS*ey13:23
popey:)13:24
MartijnVdSpopey: so it's "Popey, frimley, camberley, surrey"13:24
popeyinteresting to note that if you draw a line from roughly liverpool to london, above the line you'll find towns ending in *by, but not below the line13:24
popeybecause thats as far south as the crazy vikings came13:25
popeyand *by is "near a river" or something in danish/dutch/viking speak?13:25
popeyMartijnVdS: sadly I don't live in frimley13:26
popeys/sadly//g13:26
Myrttiby is a village13:26
Myrttiin Swedish13:26
Myrttiif I'm not totally wrong13:26
MartijnVdSAccording to the Wikipedia page for Ytterby it is :)13:26
MartijnVdS(first Swedish -by place that came to mind)13:27
Myrttihow geeky13:27
MartijnVdSMyrtti: well, 4 elements were named after it.. :)13:27
Myrttiindeed13:28
popeyBronby is one place I worked in Denmark13:28
popeymaybe Brondby13:28
popeywith funny stuff over the o13:28
JamesTaitYeah, with the 'd' I believe.13:28
MartijnVdSpopey: "bylaw" and "by-election" :)13:28
MartijnVdShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_forms_in_place_names_in_the_United_Kingdom_and_Ireland13:28
* czajkowski is from Limerick a viking town 13:29
JamesTaitI don't know about the funny letters though.13:29
czajkowski:D13:29
popeyah, Brøndby13:29
* DJones is also from a viking town "Widnes" 13:29
popeyMartijnVdS: by-by!13:29
JamesTaitI wonder how that's pronounced, the 'o' with the line through it.13:29
Myrttilike ö in Finnish ;-)13:29
Myrtti*cough*13:29
Myrttiwell, very close to it13:30
JamesTaitIs that similar to the same letter in German?13:30
brobostigonJamesTait: maybe, german and the scandinavian languages are quite different.13:30
* MartijnVdS is from "Alphen", which is an evolution of Roman "Albaniana"..13:30
Myrttibrobostigon: you mean they aren't13:31
MartijnVdShttp://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albaniana13:31
brobostigonMyrtti: yes, :)13:31
JamesTaitI once worked with someone who had a Danish girlfriend. When she spoke natively it sounded quite unlike anything I'd heard before.13:32
JamesTaitExcept maybe Dutch.13:32
dogmatic69welsh...13:33
Myrttiit does sound different, but it's still indo-european germanic language13:33
dogmatic69that is some wierd stuff13:33
JamesTaitI find languages really interesting.13:33
dogmatic69same13:33
JamesTaitI love the hear the different sounds and the similarities, some of them quite surprising.13:34
JamesTaits/the/to13:34
dogmatic69dutch is normallish to me, i am just about fluient with speaking/unerstading it13:34
JamesTaitDutch is somewhat recognisable to me, it sounds like a dialect of what little I remember of German.13:35
MartijnVdSJamesTait: try listening to some Frisian13:35
MyrttiI've studied Swedish for good six years in school, so I get the general whiff of most written/spoken germanic languages, it's surprising how much I've understood here in Berlin13:35
MartijnVdSJamesTait: it's more English-ish than Dutch13:35
JamesTaitAnd my wife is South Africa, so I get to hear Afrikaans quite a bit. :)13:36
czajkowskilovely accent13:36
JamesTaitUsually when I've done something wrong. :-P13:36
* dogmatic69 is from SA13:36
JamesTaitLike missed an 'n' off the end of African and made is sound like my wife is an entire country.13:36
dogmatic69hence understanding dutch :D13:36
czajkowskinicest is still the Weslh followed by Afrikaans followed by Boston accent13:36
DJonesThe last half hour seems to have solved the governments complaints that school children are studying the wrong subjects for GCSE's, just let them spend all day in #ubuntu-uk, they'll get a grounding in history, languages and the added bonus of open source software & systems13:37
popey!13:37
dogmatic69hehe13:37
dogmatic69i second that motion13:37
brobostigon+113:37
MyrttiDJones: and governmental organisation and food :->13:37
dogmatic69would have loved spending school time in irc13:37
dogmatic69hold on.. i did :D13:37
JamesTaitHah!13:37
MyrttiI even had a permission to do it13:38
Myrttiah, those were the days13:38
DJonesOn the other hand, maybe not....I could also see an increase in trolling13:38
JamesTaitI got banned from the computer labs for using IRC.13:38
hamitronJamesTait: or getting caught ;)13:38
JamesTaitTrue.13:39
Myrttimy touch typing teacher was happy because it gave us dexterity and speed and good training :->13:39
brobostigonwe almost got banned for playing quake over the school network, a few times.13:39
JamesTaitI didn't think I was doing anything wrong.13:39
JamesTaitIt seemed like an excellent resource, I learned a lot.13:39
JamesTaitThe irony was that they didn't do anything about the people playing Quake or Grand Theft Auto on the network.13:40
brobostigon:(13:40
hamitronI am feeling kinda old now, only 1 computer at school even had internet :/13:40
JamesTaitI was learning and hardly using any network bandwidth, they were slacking and chewing up more bandwidth. Go figure.13:40
BigRedShamitron: Bah. just as I was feeling old for predating gta13:41
DJonesbrobostigon: feeling old would that school only had one computer & the internet hadn't been invented (at least for general use anyway)13:41
JamesTaitWe didn't have internet at school. We had ArcNet.13:41
JamesTaitI only got internet when I got to Unij.13:41
brobostigonDJones: agreed,yes.13:41
JamesTaitYou know, I think I'm going to give up trying to type today.13:41
hamitronwell, I am definately older than young now :/ maybe not old13:42
BigRedSIt's always the way. When you announce your inability to type today, everything goes well...13:42
BigRedSsort-of inverse skitt's law13:42
hamitron:)13:42
JamesTaitToo bad I've got a conference call followed by the school run fast approaching. :)13:43
dwatkinsWe had a network of BBC Micros at school :D13:44
dwatkinsYou could *VIEW someone else's machine to slow it down if a game was running too fast...13:45
hamitron:))13:45
hamitronI think they should scrap IT in education13:46
hamitronnever learned much from it13:46
hamitronapart from printers never work when needed13:47
BigRedSAlways print before the night before!13:47
hamitronit would be a bonus if I started the work before then ;)13:47
hamitronbut yeh, makes sense13:48
hamitron:)13:48
hamitronso after maybe 24/25 hours of IT sessions I know that13:48
hamitronand BigRedS condensed it into 1 line13:49
screen-xnooo, I setup a webcam to survey the label printer, but someone just turned it round :(13:51
hamitron:/13:52
hamitronreckon someone is printing "screen-x suxx" stickers?13:53
screen-xI hope not!13:53
screen-xall their cups logs are belong to me13:53
hamitron:))13:53
screen-xhmm, so should I click on System > Administration > Printing or System > Administration > Printing ?13:56
hamitronclick? :|13:57
DJonesscreen-x: Next time, you'll have to set up a webcam pointed at the webcam surveying the label printer so you can see who moves it13:58
andylockranhttp://dpaste.com/329281/ <-- my Business Continuity Plan for Incapacitated Personnel.13:59
andylockran:)13:59
andylockranreckon that's NSFW, or shall I submit it ?13:59
BigRedSI'd add a card to line 814:02
andylockranshort term?14:07
andylockranah, long term14:07
BigRedSyeah14:07
screen-xDJones: It was the label printer that moved, so I saw the culprit :)14:08
DJonesscreen-x: Ah, I thought you meant somebody had moved to the webcam14:08
AlanBellgah14:09
hamitronhmmm14:10
screen-xbaton down the hatches, its getting choppy14:11
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hamitronit is all well and good having no monitors on machines...14:13
hamitronbut now I am wanting to change hardware, it is a pain14:13
hamitronand clutter sort of fills the spaces where I would have the monitor14:14
screen-xhamitron: ?14:14
hamitronI got 5 machines with no screen :/14:14
hamitronbut wanting to change the setups14:15
screen-xhamitron: ipmi?14:16
dwatkinsWhat hadware are you changing, and could you prepare the machine beforehand to accept the change, shut down, then power up with it using the new disk etc., hamitron?14:16
hamitrondunno ipmi14:17
hamitronmainly swapping hdd dwatkins14:17
hamitronbut each has data on that needs moving around14:18
screen-xhamitron: ipmi is teh awesome, and avoids all need for a monitor, but you need a machine that supports it.14:18
dwatkinshamitron: I was reasonably successful with something similar recently, by using uuid instead of /dev/sd[a-d] etc.14:18
dwatkinsyeah, ipmi tends to only be an option on server boards such as the Intel S5000PSL14:19
* dwatkins goes for a meeting14:19
hamitronmy server only has 2 sataII connectors too :/14:19
bigcalm_What more do you need? Hook up 2 x 3tb drives14:19
hamitronI will struggling on, moving Tb over a 100mbit network14:19
hamitronstruggle*14:20
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gordhaving such a hard time with an sd card today... it keeps giving up and screwing up the superblock setting it in read only mode14:21
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hamitrongeez14:21
hamitron:/14:21
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* DJones wonders whether facebook have nicked freenodes bandwidth14:23
brobostigonlikely, DJones :)14:24
hamitrononly until freenode moves over to the facebook platform ;)14:24
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hamitronI nearly emptied a 500Gb hdd \o/14:26
hamitronwithout formating ;/14:27
hamitronkinda funny when you realise you've downloaded some things more than once14:27
davmor2popey: I love the idea of "where's Sladen" of course you will get sued for copying the concept you know you will ;)14:30
popeynot if its free14:32
popeyand sufficiently different14:32
Myrtti*yawn*14:34
Myrttihttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19978-car-batteries-run-on-relativity.html14:34
bigcalmAny suggestions for sourcing a5 spiral bound notepads with grid lines?14:39
bigcalmLast one I got was from lidl, won't see them again for an age though14:39
Myrtti5mm, 7mm or 10mm grid?14:39
bigcalm5mm14:40
bigcalmIf I were in mainland europe, I'd just go to a supermarket14:40
dutchiebigcalm: as fussy as me over paper? :)14:40
Myrttiyeah, Finland has them everywhere, gridded notepads are what are the default in school14:40
MartijnVdSbigcalm: WHSmith?14:41
Myrttidoesn't Staples have em?14:41
MartijnVdSor them14:41
bigcalmHaven't tried them yet14:42
MartijnVdSamazon has loads as well14:43
DJonesMaybe Rymans/Stationery Box could have them14:43
MartijnVdShttp://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00260GPS814:43
daubersAfternoon14:43
screen-xafternoon daubers14:43
MartijnVdSdaubersman14:44
daubersbigcalm: Big tesco stores sometimes have them14:44
bigcalmbrb phone14:44
* daubers is trying to make sure the server he's putting in the DC this evening is ready to go in while writing documentation for other things for a customer14:46
* popey is hovering over the "buy" button for some disks14:46
MartijnVdSpopey: don't do it!14:46
dauberspopey: What disks?14:46
popey2TB ones14:46
daubersBrand?14:47
popeyWD14:47
* daubers just had a delivery of 40 of those14:47
popey:)14:47
gord"-base: /home/gord/bin/rm: cannot execute binary file" - what on earth have a done? O_O14:47
MartijnVdSgord: you've removed / from the front of $PATH14:47
daubersHmm... not sure about WD ones at the moment. We usually use Hitachi, but those are server grade rather than consumer14:47
MartijnVdSgord: try 'echo $PATH'14:47
daubersWD 1TB 2.5" drives are quite nice14:47
gordMartijnVdS, no it turns out that /home/gord/bin was in my path, no idea why14:48
gordnow, to fix the thousand other problems that suddenly jumped at me14:49
gordwhy is my /home/gord/bin full of binary files!14:49
gordghosts!14:49
* daubers disconnects the ssh session from gords laptop14:51
* MooDoo just installed a 120gb ssd in his laptop last night :)14:51
daubersMootBot: Swanky14:51
screen-xdaubers: you sounds like jobs, what do you mean by "server grade"?14:51
daubersMooDoo: even14:51
gord120gb? thats a lot14:51
gordi always figured i only need enough for my os14:51
daubersscreen-x: Enterprise drives, they're rated for 24/7 read/write cycles14:52
screen-xdaubers: and normal ones aren't?14:52
daubersscreen-x: Seagate class them as their NS drives rather then ES drives (I think thats the correct way around)14:52
MooDoogord: i just got a big one14:52
* screen-x prepares for his nearline backup box to die14:52
daubersscreen-x: No, they're not :)14:52
daubersscreen-x: Also, enterprise grade ones normally have a 3+ year warrenty14:52
screen-xso what happens if you use cheap disks 24/7?14:53
daubersscreen-x: Bigger risk of a drive failing14:53
daubersscreen-x: When you have a raid of 24+ of them it can become an issue14:53
hamitronmy cheap WD failed :/14:53
screen-xI've had some normal sata disks in a backup box for ~2years and it seems to be ok..14:54
daubersscreen-x: Bet you're not read/writing to it 24 hours a day 7 days a week at full tilt14:54
hamitronfor some reason my drive went upto 55 C14:54
hamitron:/14:55
screen-xdaubers: no, hourly snapshots, and full backups overnight14:55
gordi'v never had fun experiences with WD myself, tend not to buy them anymore so can't comment how they are now14:55
daubersscreen-x: Yeah, you won't be pummelling those very hard14:55
screen-x\o/ disks can live on14:55
daubersscreen-x: Yup. For a time anyway :)15:03
screen-xyes, well all spinning rust will come to an end15:04
brobostigonanyone have any pain killers, please.15:04
daubersscreen-x: To some extents having a RAID mitigates the effect, but you have to balance it off with the added chance of 2 or 3 disks failing at roughly the same time. But to some extents it's all a gamble anyway15:04
screen-xI have some ibuprofen..15:04
brobostigonthsnk you screen-x :)15:05
daubersI have some asprin, paracetemol, dispersible asprin, lemsip and buttercup syrup in my desk drawer15:05
daubersStupid sore throats15:05
DJonesI have co-codamol & dihydocodeine & diclefenic15:05
DJonesNot all to be taken at the same time15:05
MartijnVdSdihydrogenmonoxide15:05
Myrttimmm Voltaren ♥15:05
brobostigoncould you send me some  co-codamol please, DJones15:05
MartijnVdScocoa-damol15:06
MyrttiI'd sell my mother for a tube of diclofenac gel right now15:06
DJonesMyrtti: I'm guessing that Voltaren is the same as voltarol/diclafenic15:06
Myrttiyup15:06
Myrttidoes it show I've been a chronic pain patient?15:07
Myrtti*blush*15:07
brobostigonmy eczema and my osteoporosis can cause a huge amount of pain.15:08
MyrttiI can't decide should I watch CNN or BBC World15:08
MartijnVdSMyrtti: BBC of course15:08
brobostigonbbc15:08
* DJones dcc's some co-codamol to brobostigon 15:08
MyrttiPiers Morgan was quite good earlier on CNN15:08
MartijnVdSMyrtti: unless you're feeling 'merkin15:08
brobostigonthank you DJones :)15:08
diploGod i hate css!!!15:10
diplo3 browsers and 3 different results!15:10
MartijnVdSdiplo: then you're mis-interpreting the spec ;)15:10
diploGap between two divs in FF and IE are the same, chrome is twice as wide15:11
screen-xdiplo: css is pure and lovely, its implementations you hate15:11
diplofix it in FF breaks the other 215:11
* daubers was at the BBC archive yesterday15:11
diplookay, yes wording wasn't correct :)15:11
MartijnVdSdiplo: gap between two divs? flowing? absolute?15:11
MartijnVdSdaubers: oooh, how was it?15:11
daubersMartijnVdS: Quite interesting. All their QC machines for checking archive footage run OpenSUSE15:12
daubersMartijnVdS: They didn't think me putting a catch in for any files with metadata containing the words doctor and who being emailed to me was funny though15:19
MartijnVdSdaubers: aww15:20
MartijnVdSdaubers: how about "bad wolf"15:20
popey\o/ Doctor Who!15:20
popeyOooo, i am re-watching S5 of new who15:20
popeywonder if it downloaded a new ep last night15:20
czajkowskipopey: new season ???15:22
czajkowskinm re read it15:22
czajkowskire watching :(15:22
kiekoMyrtti, what was good about PiersMorgan?15:23
wintellectI installed Gnome-Do last night, but it seems to have enabled itself for all users. Is there a way to disable it for specific users?15:25
popeyno15:25
Myrttikieko: he did interview Oprah quite nicely15:25
wintellectpopey: was that for me?15:25
popeyno15:25
popey:)15:25
wintellectk, thanks :P15:25
gordhuh, i just realised i have custard creams in the kitchen, this day just got a whole lot better15:29
hamitron:)15:29
popeyoooo i want digestive creams now15:32
davmor2gord: I find that sadly worrying that a mere biscuit can make the day so much better, surely you need a beverage too :)15:32
gordof course, what are biscuits without something to dunk them in to15:33
brobostigonchai :)15:33
davmor2gord: now you see, now it's a perfect day :)15:33
czajkowskigord: TEA!15:43
* brobostigon said that, :)15:44
davmor2czajkowski: you pagan coffee is the drink of the gods15:46
pr0ph3thi all15:48
pr0ph3tcan I change my home folder to a separate partition and use that one as default from then on?15:48
BigRedSpr0ph3t: yeah. Move the files over, mount the partition where you want it, and add it to /etc/fstab. There's probably a few more in-depth howtos on the net, hang on15:49
BigRedSpr0ph3t: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving15:50
pr0ph3tthank you15:50
gordoh right yes, i have owned my current router for more than a year now, time for it to randomly start acting up15:51
davmor2gord: Yay I'm not the only one it happens too15:51
gordsome randomy devices just lose its SSID now for some reason, my other devices get it fine15:52
gordit throws my phone off the wifi all the time too15:52
brobostigoni just noticed someone on foursquare, claimed to have checked in at banbury beer festival, when it isnt even held untill early may.15:53
davmor2gord: yeap that's the one it wasn't a netgear by any chance was it?15:53
gordof course15:53
gordoh wait no thats the old one15:53
gordthis one is belkin15:53
davmor2gord: I gave up on belkins.   I have a TP-Link one this time seems to be fine so far,  Although it doesn't allow for internal->external->internal access which I found quite frustrating at first15:56
pr0ph3text4 of course cannot be read or modified from windows15:59
gorddepends on if you make it ext3 compatible doesn't it?15:59
pr0ph3tI want to have home in a separate partition, for the usual obvious reasons, but also I want to use it to share files between windows and linux installations16:00
pr0ph3tyes16:00
pr0ph3tI think16:00
pr0ph3tbut you can only read it?16:00
pr0ph3tyou cannot modify it I don't think16:01
pr0ph3tso I could format it with -O extents and read it from windows but can I also write on it?16:01
gordif you want to share files, just make it ntfs16:02
pr0ph3tand have my home ntfs?16:03
gordno, make another partition16:03
pr0ph3tit makes me feel dirty16:03
gordyou shouldn't have windows read/writing your home directory16:03
gordits a recipe for disaster16:03
pr0ph3tdocuments, videos, music, pictures16:03
pr0ph3tthat sort of stuff16:04
AlanBell s/read/writing your home directory//16:04
AlanBellis btrfs going to get a windows driver?16:05
pr0ph3tAlanBell, sorry didn't get that16:05
AlanBell!btrfs16:06
AlanBellhmm no facoid16:06
pr0ph3tthe future of linux partitions16:06
AlanBellit is a fancy new filesystem that is not yet fully baked16:07
gordAlanBell, who knows if it will, the devs of btrfs almost certainly won't write one though16:07
jpdsYou're not suppose to bake butter.16:07
gordas always these things come about with need, with linux almost fully supporting ntfs safely these days, no one needs to write linux filesystem drivers for windows16:08
* AlanBell observes that cake contains butter16:09
r00t4rd3dcookies also16:09
screen-xdavmor2: "internal --> external --> internal access" = hairpin nat?16:10
directhexAlanBell, ping16:12
davmor2screen-x: Meh it's all good I figured out ways around stuff :)16:13
directhexAlanBell, you do vtiger, right?16:14
AlanBellyes16:15
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: does it more than me though16:15
directhexAlanBell, how much of the functionality removed in sugarcrm's open-core version is implemented in vtiger?16:15
* AlanBell bats that one over to TheOpenSourcerer 16:16
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: Virtually all of it and more.. :-)16:16
TheOpenSourcererIn fact I can't really think of what vtiger doesn't do compared to Sugar.16:16
TheOpenSourcererNo offline client yes in vtiger.16:17
TheOpenSourcerers\yes\yet16:17
TheOpenSourcererNot sure what "Data Merge and Quality Controls" means in Sugar Speak but vtiger can do dupe checking when importing data,16:18
TheOpenSourcererOther than that - it's all there.16:18
directhexreporting? sales forecasting?16:18
TheOpenSourcererYou can create reports to your heart's content.16:19
TheOpenSourcererAnaylyse anyway up you need really.16:19
TheOpenSourcererHmm, OK Forecasting isn't quite there according to what Sugar says theirs does.16:20
screen-xtalking of sugar/vtiger, has anyone used CiviCRM?16:23
popeyr00t4rd3d: why are you here?16:25
r00t4rd3dchat16:28
brobostigoncurious choice of nick aswell.16:29
popeyok, well given your past history in other channels, and your mails to me which are highly offensive, I'd rather you weren't here.16:29
r00t4rd3dsry about that , was alittle upset16:29
popeynot good enough16:29
popeythis has persisted for some days now, and I'm not about to let this channel bear the brunt of your wildly swinging moods16:30
r00t4rd3dthe emails were not specifically to you either16:30
r00t4rd3dyou just happen to be on the list16:30
popeyI am on the CC, the mails were to the CC, ergo they were to me.16:30
r00t4rd3dhence the list16:30
popeystill wildly unacceptable for anyone in the Ubuntu community to be acting like that.16:31
r00t4rd3dwell i would explain in pm if you would like16:31
popeynope16:31
popeyhere, #ubuntu-irc or #ubuntu-ops16:31
popeyr00t4rd3d: would you like to have that conversation here, in -irc or -ops?16:33
r00t4rd3dI cant converse with people who have compared me to a murderer , called me a F*ing idiot.16:34
directhexcan you move it? it's off-topic, and i was, um, talking about installing vtiger on debian. oops...16:34
popeyr00t4rd3d: we have an appeals process. I'd recommend you use it. if you are unhappy with the outcome of the appeal to the irc council then I recommend contacting the CC, but with some level of lucidity, and without the profanity.16:35
popeytaking your fight to every other team and loco is unacceptable.16:36
popeyuntil that's sorted, I'd ask you to leave #ubuntu-uk please.16:36
directhexi'm used to being compared to murderers for my ubuntu contributions. doesn't everyone get that?16:36
r00t4rd3dIm not taking anything anywhere , I just want to chat about ubuntu.16:37
popeywell I'm not happy with you being here. this isn't safe harbour from #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu16:38
IdleOnehe also uses xx@unaffiliated/r00t4rd3d16:44
popeythanks16:44
popeynothing to see here, move along.16:44
* brobostigon looks out in #ubuntu-cym16:44
* dogmatic69 hides16:45
hamitron"move along", knew you never loved us popey ;)16:45
* popey tickles hamitron 16:45
hamitron:|16:45
hamitronI actually missed it all :/ playing with rsync16:46
popey\o/ arse ink!16:46
hamitroncup of tea time now while it does it's work16:46
hamitron;)16:46
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Laneymmm tea16:53
bigcalmmgdm: River Wye16:56
pr0ph3thmmm rsync, it likes to take it's time16:57
davmor2zsync for the win16:59
hamitronz?17:00
Laneyclient-side rsync17:00
Azelphurany drupal-ish people have any suggestions on stopping spam? the spam bots seem to be flying past recaptcha :(17:02
davmor2optimised rsync17:02
gordAzelphur, throw up five pictures, four of them are puppies, make one a kitten. ask the user to pick the kitten17:03
Azelphurhaha17:04
Azelphurpreferably without writing modules17:04
Azelphuralthough that would be awesome :p17:04
pr0ph3tdoes most of what we install goes into the home folder?17:07
pr0ph3tin the .program folder17:07
gordno, there is no .program folder by default17:10
hamitronpr0ph3t: most goes into /usr17:11
davmor2pr0ph3t: No,  Home is for you config and personal docs, the programs live in /usr/bin17:11
pr0ph3tthanks you17:11
AzelphurI built an app from source, but now I want to clean it out and use the version from the repository, so I did sudo make uninstall, but when I try to run the app it still tries to run it from /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin17:29
AlanBellis there something still in /usr/local/bin/appname?17:31
Azelphurnope17:31
dwatkinsDoes a new terminal show the same behaviour, Azelphur?17:31
AlanBellwhy do you say it is running from /usr/local/bin?17:32
dwatkinsJust wondereing if it's cached in the shell.17:32
Azelphuroh, the behaviour only happens in old terminal windows17:32
Azelphursome env variable must need to refresh S:17:32
Azelphur:D*17:32
dwatkinsrehash, Azelphur17:32
Azelphuryea17:32
dwatkinsor just start a new window17:32
Azelphursorted :)17:33
dwatkinsmind you, I don't think that exists anymore in newer versions of bash17:33
dwatkinswoohoo, IRC saves an otherwise disastrous day :D17:33
Azelphurindeed17:33
hamitronnow to decide on my new partition table :/17:37
hamitronthis always ends in a mess17:37
AlanBellTheOpenSourcerer: for Natty +1 I think the regular mono removal post should have a corresponding QT removal analysis17:38
AlanBellI am all in favour of QT being in the default distro, but as with mono, the best way to find out what exactly it is doing is to remove it17:39
gordi'll never understand people who want things removed from the cd, i mean, they can just remove them their self, why do they care what other people are using?17:40
directhexi still don't quite understant why Qt17:42
* hamitron just doesn't understand ;/17:43
AlanBellstuff like this I expect http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2009/05/13/qt-declarative-ui/17:43
AlanBellI want a severed finger like that17:44
gordgtk is kinda decaying a bit, stagnating, there have been no interesting developments for a long long time. whilst qt is really zooming along, i mean it needs the apps toe back it up (imo) but the toolkit is impressive17:44
bigcalmAlanBell: that looks like a useful finger17:45
hamitronstagnating is good if you don't want change...17:45
davmor2AlanBell: That can be arranged I have a sharp knife knocking about somewhere :D17:46
hamitronright, need food17:46
hamitronand beer17:46
brobostigon:)17:46
* AlanBell needs food17:46
hamitronbbl17:46
hamitrono/17:47
AlanBellI think a hunt for frites is in order17:47
Myrttiiihhhh diclofenac gel17:49
MyrttiI love this world17:49
bigcalmHungryyyyyyyyy17:52
bigcalmDieting sucks17:53
Azelphurfree -m?17:54
Azelphurwhoops, wrong channel17:55
Myrttiwe just went for thai and I couldn't finish my food17:55
bigcalmMyrtti: boxed the rest and took it home I hope!17:55
Myrttino, I just wanted out of there, I managed to nibble all the chicken from the plate, left half the veg and rice and sauce there tho17:56
bigcalmAh, pain getting to you?17:56
Myrttiyeah, couldn't even swallow at that point17:57
Myrtti(without pain)17:57
Myrttinow I've got heatpads for tomorrow and voltarol gel for tonight17:58
bigcalmYay17:58
Myrttiatleast the placebo seems to kick in nicely17:58
Myrttiand the pharmacist spoke English +++++++++17:58
bigcalmAlternating heatpad and cold pad on the area helps loosen up silly muscles17:59
bigcalmDon't they normally?17:59
czajkowskipopey: USB!18:01
bigcalmDoggy walking time!18:02
* bigcalm scampers18:02
davmor2czajkowski: Bunnies! that'll be about as random as USB to popey18:03
=== MisesPieces is now known as OmNomSequitur
mgdmbigcalm: hehe18:13
siyaevening all18:13
siyaAm looking into my mp3 collection which I'been neglecting for a long while18:13
siyaWas hoping to use Amarok and have it scan the files on my nas18:13
siyaseems the nautilus not mounting to file-system is biting me18:14
siyais there a solution to this other than manually mounting my share?18:14
pr0ph3tre all18:32
Azelphurhmm, my flash player doesn't seem to be working18:33
AzelphurI have flashplugin-nonfree installed, but it doesn't work on ff or chrome and theres nothing in about:plugins18:33
pr0ph3tI get an error message after changing my home directory, E: core-util.c: Home directory /home/blabla not ours, why? I thought with rsync you kept all the permissions?18:34
pr0ph3tpulseaudio doesn't work properly now18:36
pr0ph3tactually it doesn't start at all18:37
X3Nrsync will do what ever you told it to do18:37
pr0ph3tX3N, so I need to do a chmod now for the whole home folder?18:39
X3Nchown probably. e.g. chown username.username ~/.pulse/ -R18:39
X3Nand the folder it's self18:40
X3Nif needed, you can check the permissions on it first to see if you're barking up the right tree18:41
pr0ph3tX3N, root owns it18:41
X3Nthat's a problem then, assuming you're not root18:41
pr0ph3tX3N, well18:42
pr0ph3tit's my user home folder18:42
X3Nok, then it shouldn't be owned by root18:42
pr0ph3ttoo right18:43
DaraelX3N: Chown syntax is "chown user:group file" rather than "chown user.group file".  Oh, and "chown user:" is a shortcut for "chown user:usergroup".18:43
dwatkinsWhen did the chown syntax change?18:44
pr0ph3tso what would be the quickest way to change permission to the folder and all the rest of it?18:44
DaraelI've always known it is user:group.  Maybe user.group works too, I didn't know if it does.  pr0ph3t, you want chown -R, as X3N suggested.18:45
X3Nusing . is perfectly valid18:45
dwatkinsIs there any difference between the two?18:46
X3Nyou want sudo chown $USER.$USER ~/.pulse/ -R18:46
pr0ph3tX3N, or sudo chown $USER.$USER /home -R ?18:47
X3Nno18:47
pr0ph3tbecause home should owned by user right?18:47
pr0ph3toh18:48
X3Nyou don't want every file within /home to be yours, you might have other users18:48
X3Nyou'd need to specify your own home directory e.g. /home/$USER/18:48
shaunouser:group vs user.group is mostly cosmetic.  unless you have a . in a username, then : becomes a must :)18:48
pr0ph3tX3N, right sorry, I don't have other users but I see what you mean18:48
dwatkinsaha thanks shauno18:48
* dwatkins never thought characters like . were allowed in usernames18:49
pr0ph3tX3N, nothing changes root is still the owner and not the user18:55
shaunodwatkins: depends who you ask I think.  my sanity says only alphanumeric.  Open Group add dot, dash, underscore. and of course, AD laughs in the face of sanity.18:57
X3Npr0ph3t: was there any output of the command?18:59
pr0ph3tX3N, .gvfs Permission denied18:59
pr0ph3tX3N, that's normal though right?19:00
jacobw3evening19:04
X3Ndid you run the command with sudo?19:04
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pr0ph3tso pulseaudio tells me error /home/user not ours19:10
pr0ph3tI do chown etc but the error is still there19:10
pr0ph3tand by the looks of it nothing has really changed19:10
pr0ph3tls -l /home/user tells me they are all owned by root still19:12
pr0ph3tsudo chown $USER.$USER /home/user/ -Rv is the command I run and I get all the emssages saying changing ownership to user.user19:16
AlanBellpr0ph3t: how is that mounted?19:16
directhexi think the order of arguments matters for chown? -R goes at the start19:17
pr0ph3tAlanBell, from fstab read/write19:17
AlanBelland it is a linux filesystem, not fat or something odd?19:19
pr0ph3tI'm scared now19:19
pr0ph3tmaybe it is something odd19:20
AlanBelllets have a look at the fstab line19:20
pr0ph3tit's ntfs19:20
pr0ph3twhich is really odd19:20
brobostigonyour /home on ntfs, iwouldnt of thought that was possible.19:21
pr0ph3tbut now I think I'll move the home folder to a ext4 partition and simply link all the directories with docs, video, music etc. to the ones on the ntfs partition?19:21
pr0ph3tbrobostigon, I just tried it and it works19:22
brobostigonpr0ph3t: amazing,interesting,19:22
AlanBellfor small values of works19:22
pr0ph3tit was just a test19:22
jacobw3can i make a bootable usb from an iso using dd?19:22
AlanBell:) I think it failed19:23
pr0ph3tAlanBell, indeed it did19:23
brobostigonjacobw3: it would write, but maybe not bootble. i think you would need somethinglike unetbootin to make it.19:23
AlanBellpr0ph3t: have a look at man mount down at the options for ntfs bit19:24
AlanBellyou can specify in fstab the userid and group id it should be so it doesn't have to be root19:24
pr0ph3tso can I link all the media folders in my home to the ones in my ntfs partition, so that they are just links in /home/user ?19:24
AlanBellfor a single user system (or multiple mountpoints) you could specify the uid= and gid= options19:25
pr0ph3tI would still have a ntfs partition for my home, which is not what I really intended, but it is amazing what you can do with linux19:26
AlanBellis this system going to have just one user?19:26
pr0ph3tand annoying how limited you are with other OSs19:26
pr0ph3tAlanBell, yes19:26
AlanBellgrep pr0ph3t /etc/passwd19:28
AlanBellthat should tell you your uid and gid19:28
AlanBellprobably 1000:100019:28
pr0ph3tAlanBell, yup19:29
AlanBellthen in the fstab where you are mounting that partition add uid=1000,gid=1000 to the options bit19:29
AlanBellwhich is before the 0 0 at the end19:29
AlanBellthen remount it and everything on the drive should be owned by you19:30
pr0ph3tAlanBell, I have nodev, nosuid at the moment19:30
AlanBellgreat, add a comma and the other options19:31
AlanBellthen unmount it and sudo mount -a19:31
AlanBellnot sure if things get upset with unmounting /home on a running system19:32
pr0ph3tAlanBell, they do19:32
pr0ph3thave to boot19:32
AlanBellok19:32
pr0ph3tbrb19:32
AlanBellnice little hack if it works19:33
MonsterKillerhey. I wanted to try and install minecraft server on ubuntu server 1019:35
MonsterKillerand it needs java but i cant find the right packages19:35
MonsterKiller10.04*19:35
popeyi have it running on ubuntu right here19:35
popeybut 10.1019:35
MonsterKiller:D19:36
popeyusing openjdk icedtea6 1.9.219:36
popeywhatever that means19:36
MonsterKillerlol19:36
MonsterKillerpopey, so minecraft server works with openjdk? or did you just mean you had java runnning?19:37
MonsterKillerrunning*19:37
popeyyes19:37
popeyit works fine19:37
pr0ph3tI officially own my home folder on ntfs partition19:37
pr0ph3tAlanBell, thanks19:37
MonsterKillercan i ask, how much mem/cpu does minecraft server use?19:37
AlanBellyay19:37
popeyMonsterKiller: as much as you give it19:38
pr0ph3t:)19:38
popeyI have given 2GB to mine19:38
MonsterKillerlol19:38
popeythats the truth :)19:38
MonsterKillerxD19:38
popeyit will run in 1GB19:38
MonsterKillerdoes it use all that?19:38
popeyits java, so yeah19:38
MonsterKillerlol :/19:38
MonsterKiller1GB for it is a lot19:38
MonsterKiller:p19:38
AlanBellpr0ph3t: that isn't a supported configuration, but it is a nice little hack19:38
AlanBellbad things might happen, but if they do you own all the pieces19:39
popeybah19:39
popeyminecraft.net is down19:39
MonsterKilleryeah19:39
MonsterKiller:/19:39
popeymeans I can't play on my own local server which is annoying19:39
MonsterKillerpopey, you think it would work well with 512 ram? :p19:39
popey"work", maybe19:39
popey"work well", no19:39
MonsterKillerlol19:39
MonsterKiller*sigh*19:40
MonsterKillerah well19:40
pr0ph3tAlanBell, sweet19:40
AlanBellwow, you can chain ssh -X over multiple hops19:48
popeyyou can19:49
mgdmooooh19:51
pr0ph3tballs, pulse audio doesn't work still20:10
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Some Further Notes On Qt In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/01/18/some-further-notes-on-qt-in-ubuntu/20:11
ubuntuuk-planet[Matthew Garrett] LCA 2011 has moved - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/133216.html20:11
pr0ph3tthe only way apparently is to have yet another partition just for ~/.pulse with a filesystem which supports symbolic links20:14
Azelphurlol 3 are randomly giving me free stuff xD20:23
AzelphurI pay for 100 minutes 3000 texts and 1GB internet20:23
Azelphurjust looked in my web panel, I have 101 minutes remaining, 1.5GB internet and 3.5k texts \o/20:24
n1md4evening.  I've lost wireless connection on my nx8220 laptop.  It uses the ipw2200 module, and was working earlier today.  ifconfig shows the interface, and lsmod lists the ipw2200 module.20:25
n1md4I used ifconfig eth1 ... to manually configure the interface, and since then it's lost wireless (i.e. doesn't show up in network-manager)20:25
n1md4Any ideas?20:26
daubersI love virtualisation20:34
n1md4Solved.  It turns out that network-manager doesn't like manual entries in network/interfaces20:34
MartijnVdSn1md4: it does, as long as you also include "auto" statements for the interface20:39
MartijnVdSn1md4: then it ignores the interface20:39
n1md4Ah!  I've already removed the entry, but no doubt I missed out something!  Thanks, Marti20:40
MartijnVdSnp20:40
danfishdaubers: Shurely cake is still your fist love ;)20:43
tugrikn1md4: if you're knowledgable enough to edit config files, i'd be tempted to uninstall network-manager20:43
danfishoops - dreadful typo s/fist/first20:43
tugrikbut that said, I didn't know about MartijnVdS's point about "auto"20:43
czajkowskiwe now have a target date of the weekend of 5th and 6th February for the release" of Debian Squeeze! http://goo.gl/y4ro820:45
MartijnVdSWhat?! February?20:50
MartijnVdSMust be '12?20:51
tugrikharsh20:51
MartijnVdStugrik: just basing it on history20:53
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daubersdanfish: absolutley21:28
daubersAlso, got VPN stuffs working all happy now :D21:28
daubersJust need to change a static route at the office and all is hunky dory21:28
danfishdaubers: excellent21:42
danfishdaubers: you going to be at the opensourceexpo in a couple of weeks?21:44
cpsevening peeps :)21:49
brobostigonevening ttm cps21:50
brobostigonnos da, sleep well.22:02
dwatkinspopey: I just saw your face on a page I was looking up xrandr info on, made me smile22:30
popeydwatkins: eh?22:32
dwatkinspopey: you had asked a question about nvidia drivers and xrandr on here22:37
dwatkinshttp://linuxers.org/quick-tips/change-screen-resolution-thru-commandline-using-xrandr22:37
dwatkinswell, implied a question22:37
dwatkinsunless that's someone else22:37
popeyhmmm22:38
mgdmxrandr is the only way I can get my external screen to work22:38
popeyi answered22:38
mgdmthe monitors applet kills X22:39
popeyalthough I dunno where they scraped that from22:39
popeybut i dont think I answered it there22:39
dwatkinsyeah, popey - I often encounter the same thread reproduced on various sites like that, it's aggravating when you're trying to find a different one22:40
popeyyeah22:40
dwatkinsnot that your reply aggravated me, just other ones22:40
dwatkinsmgdm: I was just trying to get my Eee 901 to display on my new TV, it worked ok but didn't do a resolution with the same aspect ratio as the TV, I guess I need to reconfigure X22:40
popeyshould work fine22:41
popeyits intel after all22:41
popeyhi kazade22:41
popeydwatkins: whats the full output of just running xrandr with the tv plugged in?22:41
popeyand what resolution is the tv capable of?22:42
gordYES! wifi working on the ac100!22:42
gordturns out my router was on a channel it couldn't get to22:42
popey13?22:42
gord1222:43
kazadehi popey22:43
dwatkinspopey: I appreciate I22:47
dwatkinspopey: I appreciate I'm running jolicloud, not stock ubuntu, but... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/gYJc5dfy22:47
gordhuh couldn't get data to pass over wifi till i disabled bluetooth, interesting22:48
dwatkinsI guess I can use that first listed resolution and it should have the correct aspect ratio...22:48
popeyand switch off internal display, yes?22:49
dwatkinshaha, jolicloud can't handle the large screen size22:49
popeyotherwise you go over the maximum 2048x204822:49
dwatkinsyeah popey - I'm running irssi in 1920x1080 :D22:49
popey _   _       _ _       _22:49
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popey| |_| | | | | | |/ _ \| |22:49
popey|  _  | |_| | | | (_) |_|22:49
popey|_| |_|\__,_|_|_|\___/(_)22:49
popey                         22:49
popeythats half the screen gone22:49
* dwatkins sniggers22:49
dwatkinsno, it has about 100 lines22:50
popeynice22:50
gordthats... thats weird, there is no xchat package on arm but there is an xchat-gnome22:50
dwatkinsthe font is fairly small, it's excellent22:50
dwatkinslets see how other stuff displays, back later...22:50
czajkowski▞▀▖▌  ▞▀▖▌ ▌▞▀▖22:50
czajkowski▙▄▌▌  ▌ ▌▙▄▌▙▄▌22:50
czajkowski▌ ▌▌  ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌22:50
czajkowski▘ ▘▀▀▘▝▀ ▘ ▘▘ ▘22:50
popeyindeed22:50
popeyhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xchat22:50
popeyno arm xchat22:50
directhexarm isn't shown on puc is it?22:51
gordeveryone prepare for me to sit and complain about xchat-gnome for the next six months ;)22:51
directhexno.22:51
rwwxchat-gnome is in main and xchat isn't. maybe is that?22:51
czajkowskithere really should be an Ubuntu event here http://www.thekernelbrewery.com/22:53
gordit has brewery in the name, without loading i approve22:54
popeydirecthex: it shows ppc!22:55
gordi wonder if it would be quicker for me to write all the 0's and 1's on paper than it is to write on this sd card22:56
Myrttimoar voltarol! MOAR!22:56
directhexpopey, back when ppc was a thing, yeah22:57
directhexpopey, trust me. shows arm for no packages22:57
popeyi do22:57
czajkowskiMyrtti: stil no relief22:59
gord-ac100huh, this thing is real fast once it gets going23:00
Myrtticzajkowski: no, not really23:00
czajkowskiMyrtti: feck, shower of no help, try again or any luck getting heat pads?23:01
czajkowskiMyrtti: you in the UK ?23:01
Myrtti.de23:01
czajkowskiahh23:01
hamitronfeck?23:02
hamitron:)23:02
Myrttigot heatpads but saving them for tmoz23:02
czajkowskinods23:02
n1md4tugrik: Heh!  I've been very tempted to uninstall network-manager a number of time; in favour of the command line ;) --but actually, I'm quite lazy!23:06
hamitronwhat is all this about uninstalling stuff? :|23:06
Myrttimight as well try the meditation again, trying to concentrate on the feeling of breath on upper lip and trying to forget the ache...23:06
hamitronjust use the mini.iso and install what is needed ;)23:06
gordha, there we go, i'm almost certainly gonna have to build xchat for arm myself but at least i have something now :)23:07
hamitrongord: what system you on?23:08
gordac10023:08
hamitronlike it?23:08
gordif i can get sound and video working + a nice browser (thinking chrome for the speed) then i will love it23:09
directhexjust enable universe?23:10
hamitronI got a NAS with a different architecture, that I thought I could play with23:10
hamitronbut then I relised I am storing data on it I don't want to risk :/23:10
directhexhttp://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/x/xchat/xchat_2.8.8-3ubuntu4_armel.deb - see that right there?23:10
hamitronrealised*23:10
tugrikn1md4: :)  It's probably an over-reaction, but has worked for me23:10
hamitron1024x600 resolution screen :/23:11
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hamitrongord: where I get one? ;/23:18
gordhamitron, ebuyer.com23:19
hamitrondoh23:19
hamitronebuyer > google23:19
gordi always search for tech stuff on ebuyer before anywhere else23:19
hamitron£265 :|23:20
hamitronI was hoping it would be cheaper23:22
gordits basically a top of the line (really really top of the line) phone with a giant screen and a keyboard, of course its not gonna be cheep23:22
hamitrondoes it take a sim card?23:23
gordsome models do, the cheep ones don't23:23
gordcheeper* ;)23:23
gord"sudo: vim: command not found" bites me every time =\23:24
hamitrondoes the ebuyer one take a sim?23:26
hamitroncan't see it mentioned23:26
hamitronlooks nice though23:27
hamitron:)23:27
hamitronoh, £32523:28
hamitron:(23:28
gordyou could just get a usb 3g modem ;)23:30
hamitronI was wanting to get rid of my phone23:30
hamitron;)23:30
gordoh, you wouldn't want to make calls on this23:30
gordits not a small netbook23:30
hamitronI haven't made a call for 2 years...23:31
hamitron;/23:31
hamitronbe nice to have the function to23:31
hamitronusing a headset23:31
gordyou also can't fit this netbook in your pocket ;)23:31
hamitronah well, lucky I never carry my phone with me23:32
hamitron:)23:32
hamitronI suppose buying a number for skype would be cheaper23:32
hamitronthen just run that on my normal comp23:32
hamitronsomeone has to make a side talking mod for this, to celebrate the life of the ngage23:33
hamitronI propose this as your mission gord23:33
hamitron:)23:33
gordthe supprising thing about the ac100 is how small its battery really is, i'm gonna look for an upgrade for it, i mean, getting a battery twice as big would be fine and then i would get soooo much battery life23:35
hamitronit does sound like it lacks life23:36
Udrehey room23:41
HazRPGwould this be the right place to ask about VirtualBox problems?23:45
HazRPGgranted it is ubuntu (sort of) I'm having issues with too but host machine is windows23:45
HazRPGProblem I'm having is that ubuntu won't mount the Shared Folders23:47
hamitronshared folders where?23:47
HazRPGWell like I said the host machine is a windows one, running VirtualBox, and I've setup shared folders23:48
HazRPGthe command should just be "sudo mount -t vboxsf <shared_folder_name> <dir_to_mount_to>"23:48
HazRPGbut I keep getting "mounting failed with the error: Invalid argument"23:49
hamitronhmmm23:50
hamitronneed a virtual box user23:50
HazRPGReason I'm doing it is I love ubuntu, but I need windows too. And since I have 6GB of RAM, and a decent GFX card I can now run both simultaneous23:51
HazRPG(oh and two monitors)23:51
hamitronI dunno myself :/ could try #ubuntu or a virtual box channel, as this is not really the peak time for the UK23:52
hamitronbut your setup sounds good :)23:52
HazRPGyou'd think all the geeks would be up at this time xD23:52
hamitronso good luck with it23:52
hamitronhehe23:52
hamitronthat or drunk23:52
hamitron;)23:52
HazRPGheh true ;)23:52
HazRPGalso, thanks23:52
hamitronthe night owls may wake up soon I suppose23:53
HazRPGI really wish developers would build for linux :(23:53
hamitronbuild what?23:53
HazRPGgames :P23:53
hamitronah, games23:53
hamitron:)23:53
hamitronthat is 1 area I agree23:53
HazRPGand applications, however I have managed to rid myself of most of the things that kept me tied down23:54
hamitronwine and cedega are a lot better now than they once were23:54
HazRPGAptana for all my web developer needs (hurrah!)23:54
hamitronbut not the same as native clients23:54
HazRPGsee, people keep saying that ... but I still fail to see it23:54
HazRPGI'm yet to get even StarCraft to run off it23:55
HazRPGor even Adobe Flash23:55
hamitronstarcraft 1?23:55
HazRPG(Macromedia Flash works however... the new stupid UI in CS5 seems to do horrid things in linux)23:55
HazRPGlol yeah, SC123:55
hamitronstarcraft 2 works perfect it seems23:56
HazRPGreally?23:56
HazRPGhmm I might have to test that theory23:56
hamitronappdb.winehq.org23:56
hamitronis my source23:56
hamitronnot actually done it myself, I choose windows as my gaming platform23:57
HazRPGpersonally I feel that VirtualBox or similar should just make it so that it communicates with the graphics driver better23:57
HazRPGyeah I know, I always check there from time to time23:58
HazRPGWoW is meant to run off it, and when I use to play that, I could never get it to run... at all23:58
hamitronI found WoW perfect, back when it was first released23:59
hamitronI did run in opengl mode though23:59
HazRPGI did too23:59
HazRPGstill couldn't get it to work23:59
hamitron:/23:59

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