[00:05] Hello [00:05] hi [00:05] Don't suppose you know how to update ayttm as there website on sourceforge has an update [00:06] erm [00:07] have you installed it through the repositries? [00:07] I am running Mint.. so I installed it via the software manager [00:07] there's barely any difference between 0.6.2 in ubuntu and 0.6.3 on their website [00:07] Nikedia: we don't provide support for mint :) [00:07] what about Facebook? [00:07] do you know if it has facebook? [00:07] o_O [00:07] chat that is.. [00:08] the website doesn't mention it [00:08] http://ayttm.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ayttm/ayttm;a=blob_plain;f=ChangeLog;hb=AYTTM_0_6_3 [00:08] facebook has chat? :| [00:08] nothing on that page mentioning facebook [00:08] yes hamitron [00:08] welcome to last year [00:08] k ;) [00:08] :) [00:08] lol [00:08] thats cool. thank you for your help as I know you dont support Mint.. [00:09] have you tried pidgin? [00:09] a pleasure anyway :) [00:09] i believe there is a facebook chat addon for that? [00:09] yeah crashes [00:09] :/ [00:09] when you attempt to load up the network it crashes :S [00:10] :S [00:10] sorry, you've reached the end of my knowledge on the subject [00:10] I don't have a facebook account [00:10] * hamitron neither [00:10] ^5 [00:10] ok no problems.. thank you for your assistance. [00:11] np [00:11] hmmm, I should update from ICQ to skype or google chat :/ [00:11] Nikedia: you have three choices: [00:12] you can get the source package from mint repositories, update the source code inside to newest version, fix all debian patches, and rebuild it [00:12] or, you can remove the deb package and install from source. but then you won't get updates [00:13] or quit facebook [00:13] ;) [00:13] or, you can bug the debian maintainer to do it for you, then bug the mint maintainer to import the new debian package [00:13] yeah that sounds good.. leave fb lol [00:13] * hamitron as non-productive as normal ;/ [00:13] * Nikedia Agrees [00:14] not that I know you.. sorry [00:14] :) [00:16] use the source as a temp solution sounds easiest [00:16] prob not gonna bother tbh,, [00:16] even easier [00:16] too much hassle for just an chat client [00:16] install ubuntu, pidgin works on ubuntu... [00:16] hehe [00:16] i'm using it right now... [00:16] * hamitron too [00:16] lol [00:17] not crashed for over 8 months [00:17] i normally use Trillian but its windows only :*( [00:17] although i don't have facebook plugin installed... maybe that makes it crash [00:17] i have used pidgin + facebook xmpp before... but that isn't as good apparently [00:18] what is Empathy? [00:18] :| [00:19] it has facebook chat [00:19] !info empathy [00:19] empathy (source: empathy): GNOME multi-protocol chat and call client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.1-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 834 kB, installed size 2400 kB [00:19] it's only the default IM program on ubuntu... [00:19] yeah that doesnt connect either :S just displays network connection error.. [00:19] I am only a partial ubuntu user.... [00:28] * hamitron sighs [00:29] 41gb hdd free, need 105gb [00:29] ;) [00:29] Does anyone have any experience installing workstation 7.0.0 in ubuntu 10.10 x64? [00:29] vmware ^ [00:30] no [00:31] if not supported at time of release, do they still provide a patch to compile? [00:31] anyany or something [00:31] there is a patch and i have applied it which got me past the kernel headers issue but now its failing to rebuild vm modules [00:34] http://pario.no/2010/10/02/installing-vmware-workstation-7-1-1-64-bit-on-ubuntu-10-10/ [00:34] not sure though, so read carefully [00:34] yeah i tried everything there earlier today [00:34] thanks thoug [00:35] k :/ [00:35] s/thoug/though [00:54] coffee and refreshments time I feel [00:54] brb [01:04] bk === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [01:51] can anyone recommend anything similar to visio to create HLD's? [02:48] w/c === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [07:18] Hey. I have a file in a dir called hldsupdatetool.bin but when i do ./hldsupdatetool.bin it says it doesnt exist. [07:18] http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbeesbrerjhhwj [07:18] idk whats wrong :/ === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [08:16] hello all [08:16] monsterkiller: does it have execute permissions? [08:19] o/ all [08:20] AlanBell: morning [08:23] morning earthlings [08:27] morning all [08:27] Morning all [08:32] lo [08:33] * danfish notes that TheOpenSourcerer is in 'alien overlord' mode today [08:34] danfish: shhh don't say that, he's watching.... [08:34] so that's what all those CCTV cameras are for [08:34] isn't that right....er my lord :) [08:35] MooDoo: ah! Alan "Alien Over" Lord? [08:36] MartijnVdS: yup :) [08:36] hiding it in plain sight [08:36] clever! [08:38] * TheOpenSourcerer goes to look for his laser gun... [08:39] ♫ "The chances of anything coming from Mars, are a million to one", he said [08:40] Great radio play, that, MartijnVdS :) [08:41] ...and good morning fellow humans [08:41] dwatkins: it's the only way to picture alien invasion of Britain.. cylinders from Mars :) [08:41] Morning all [08:47] million to one chances seem to comes up nine times out of ten [08:47] Indeed, AlanBell. [08:47] AlanBell: About one in four people think that, yes [08:51] Aloha [08:51] czajkowski: morning, how are you feeling today? [08:51] no improvement [08:52] but made it into office [08:52] czajkowski: ok just checking :) [08:56] good morning all [08:57] Moin. [08:58] * czajkowski pokes jpds [08:58] ello [09:02] * dwatkins discovers that Virgin Media never cancelled his account despite saying they had [09:03] dwatkins: still been paying for it? [09:03] MooDoo: they agreed to back-date the charges, but I was, yes. [09:04] dwatkins: well as long as you're getting the money back :) [09:04] yeah, MooDoo - I shouldn't have had to call up, but ultimately, yes. [09:10] dwatkins, the same happend with me... except i had cancelled the DD. [09:11] Daviey: I also cancelled the DD, so I'll have to pay them manually, I expect. Oh well, their fault, ultiimately. [09:11] I knew I should have written to them. [09:15] dwatkins, I did write to them, they only listened when i quoted the royal mail tracking number... [09:15] Daviey: yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they ignored a letter for a month anyway. [09:16] Letter? Don't people use emails nowadays? [09:18] jpds: they can get lost also [09:19] morning [09:21] Hmm - QT Libs/Apps in Natty+1 by default? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568 [09:21] ho-hum. neck and shoulder is still really sore. [09:22] I'm slowly starting to be annoyed by this impairment [09:23] MooDoo: tried a hot shower to help relieve some of the pressure [09:23] bah [09:23] no, not yet [09:24] Myrtti: tried a hot shower to relieve, put the pressure on the spots [09:24] had to turn the laptop on to atleast look like I'm in work [09:24] should help losen the tension there [09:24] although I can do that on my phone, found a relatively good XMPP client for Android [09:24] czajkowski: i see what you did there, moo is quite the same as myr ;) [09:25] but yeah, not yet. I'm planning to, might even venture out to find a pharmacy and try to get some medication [09:28] Myrtti: if you can get a heat pad they work a treat [09:33] Hope it doesn't last long, Myrtti. [09:34] My arms are aching today, but it's mostly self-inflicted from excercise. [09:35] see, excercise is bad for you [09:36] BigRedS: only if you don't do enough of it. [09:36] Have to agree BigRedS, people who exercise always seem to have more injuries than people who don't [09:37] DJones: that's quite a sweeping generaliation. [09:37] Also, I broke my ankle in 2001 and wasn't excercising at the time. [09:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Qt :) [09:37] I note similar consequences of exercise to DJones. [09:38] I ruptured two discs in 2007 and I still don't have all the sensation back on my right leg [09:39] qt is nice, but i have a hard time thinking of any qt applications i actually want/need =\ [09:39] skype is qt i guess right? [09:39] yeah [09:39] digikam? [09:39] dwatkins: Thats just from personal experience, although I have to exclude my wife who gets injured sitting on the couch [09:39] amarok? [09:39] Morning peeps :) [09:39] I wonder if there is a "killer" app that SABDFL wants in Ubuntu... [09:39] Scribus [09:39] other than thunderbird? [09:39] well i have gtk equivalents that i prefer over them [09:39] there is not Scribus equivalent imo [09:40] popey: TB is not Qt as you well know. Trouble maker. ;-) [09:40] scribus ain't getting on the CD anytime soon i think [09:40] I didnt say it was :p [09:40] gord: well, no, but it uses Qt [09:40] Myrtti: My wife did that a few years back, she still has regular spells of pain & discs moving causing problems, don't think it'll ever go away [09:40] you weren't limiting your "applications I actually want/need" to those that would be on the cd [09:41] Anyway - off to a meeting. Back laterz. Now GET BACK TO WORK ALL OF YOU!!!! [09:41] DJones: oh wow, I hope she's ok [09:41] * popey gets back to work [09:41] but i just DID some work the other day! [09:41] :( [09:41] DJones: yup, same with me - I have trouble shaving my right leg because I can't feel where the blades are [09:41] I personally think exercise done properly keeps you less prone to injury. [09:41] atleast I can feel my toes nowadays [09:42] depends on the exercise obviously [09:43] I used to work out with weights, I have been off it for a few years now, due to job and kids, and feel awful, cant sit on the floor for too long, simple jobs make my muscles ache, cos my body is not used to being used. Feel much more likely to sprain something [09:43] dwatkins: She's ok generally, but working in a job with a lot of driving to patients and constant bending over them once she gets to their house does put strain on it [09:48] j0nr: Thats just a consequence of increasing age :) [09:48] DJones: yeah, I can well imagine - I had problems with my back in the past, so can relate to that [09:48] I was surprised that my brother started doing dancing, but he seems a lot healthier for it. [09:48] He's nearly 40, and has 2 kids. [09:50] We did that a couple of years ago & it was surprising how much it helps to tone up [09:51] I have a colleague who does capoeira, sounds like fun but also sounds pretty hard. [09:51] dwatkins: lots of spins and kicks :) [09:51] Like kick-boxking, I guess. [09:51] dwatkins: not really [09:51] oh ok [09:52] dwatkins: it's more like a dance [ish] [09:52] So I gather, yes. [09:53] capoeira is a brazilian street dance, yes. [09:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xxgFpK-NM [09:53] We want to start dancing again, its just trying to find classes & a time when we could fit it in [09:53] Nafallo: You would know. [09:54] jpds: I would indeed. [09:54] it was one of the other martial arts I concidered before I started Muay Thai. [09:55] escrima is pretty good :) [09:55] aikido is good as well, but for someone 6'6 it's a pain being thrown to the floor all the time lol [09:56] * Nafallo will still prefer Muay Thai, it's just enough violent. [09:56] ;-) [09:57] Nafallo: yes in deed :) [09:57] at least that's the main reason I did that one :-P [10:09] DJones: Yeah I know, but I do feel if I were more active I would feel more capable to sit on the damn floor! [10:09] I lock up if I sit cross-legged on the floor for too long. am only 32! [10:10] j0nr: Just do what I do, don't sit, just sort of crumple in a heap [10:10] When th boys grow up a bit (both under 3 atm) then I will get back into looking after myself a bit more. Just no time at the mo [10:10] DJones: Heh heh [10:10] j0nr: no you wont :) [10:11] j0nr: i know that feeling :D [10:11] popey: :) don't spoil my illusion [10:15] join #python [10:16] oops! [10:16] popey: hehe aww [10:16] 20 mins a day on the wii fit - I'm feeling fine [10:17] Humm, gmail being slow for anybody else today? [10:17] bigcalm: not slower than usual [10:17] MartijnVdS: it's hanging on the loading screen for me [10:18] Usually experience no lag at all [10:18] bigcalm: if it hangs on "Loading" it'll offer the HTML version, won't it? [10:18] bigcalm: Its fine for me [10:18] It does, but I don't want to use that [10:18] bigcalm: but does that work? [10:18] Then I shall blame Virgin Media! [10:18] bigcalm: maybe you should disable some labs bits? [10:19] We’re sorry, but your Gmail account is temporarily unavailable. [10:19] * bigcalm grumbles [10:19] Hello. [10:19] Logging out and back in fixed things [10:19] Morning Silver_Fox_ [10:20] Hello DJones , how are you? [10:20] Silver_Fox_: hello [10:20] Hi MooDoo :) How are you doing? [10:20] Silver_Fox_: Not bad thanks, you ok? [10:20] Silver_Fox_: i'm fine thanks for asking :) [10:21] bigcalm: rotten cookie :) [10:21] Thats wonderful to hear MooDoo [10:22] Silver_Fox_: and what about your good self? [10:22] hm.. I like that letterfu idea for the "my printer works" test page :) [10:23] I wonder how long I should have stood under the shower to make the shoulder ok. The water pressure here is quite high, even higher than in Finland - started to feel the rust smelling water would start peeling my skin off soon [10:23] Erm, I'm alright I guess MooDoo . I think I am well again =) [10:23] Myrtti: about 10-15 mins can help [10:24] but the heat pad will work wonders [10:24] Having a shower head that can pulse the water flow can help [10:26] That reminds me I need to unblock the pulse part of our shower head [10:26] czajkowski: Myrtti you can also get cold pads, they help as well [10:26] Silver_Fox_: been poorly? [10:27] MooDoo, Well I took my first sick day in 2/3 years yesterday :) [10:28] Silver_Fox_: oh dear, not this flu thing that's going around? [10:28] i have heard a lot of people speak wonders about heat pads [10:28] I'm alright though, just keeping busy with some projects, the forums and real life @ MooDoo [10:28] Silver_Fox_: good good :D [10:29] I wish I were sickly in UK or Finland, this sucks [10:29] MooDoo: Myrtti or get a can of deep heat and cover the area [10:29] Flu / cold thing. Sort of reared its head last friday about 3ish [10:29] czajkowski: unless it's a tendon, then cold > heat [10:30] Silver_Fox_: yup i've had it myself :( [10:31] Oh and my usual banter with Joeb454 has been keeping me quite busy. Speaking of which must go find him... [10:31] Silver_Fox_: banter rocks :) [10:31] * MooDoo prods czajkowski [10:36] argh [10:36] I charge my phone overnight, and in the morning it has the same battery level as it did when I went to sleep [10:37] Laney: somewhere in the 90-100% range? [10:37] no, that would be understandable [10:37] it was on 'low battery' [10:37] Laney: are you using a "real" charger, or an USB port on a computer? [10:37] Laney: is the phone running some CPU/battery-intensive task in the background? [10:38] it was a real charger, and no I closed everything [10:38] always possible something is running though I suppose [10:38] time to buy a new charger :) [10:39] * Laney runs top [10:40] yeah well it was an old nokia charger run through an adaptor to micro-usb [10:40] so I suppose that could be suspect [10:40] How old is the battery, could be faulty [10:41] up to a year I suppose [10:42] Laney: N900? does the USB port wiggle? :-/ [10:42] how do I kill an app that I started in the terminal, after I pressed ctrl-Z instead of ctrl-C? It says the program is still running [10:42] fg will resume it [10:42] Myrtti: yes, and I haven't noticed that [10:42] * Laney looks [10:42] be careful [10:43] doesn't seem wiggly. Strange thing is that it always says that it's charging. [10:43] I've seen it say that the phone is drawing more power than it's getting before, but that didn't happen either [10:44] * Laney spots http://mynewn95.blogspot.com/2010/01/n900-battery-not-charging-after.html (and it did discharge completely) [10:46] thx [10:47] winterweaver: ctrl-z is 'suspend', you can then run 'fg' to get the task back to the foreground or 'bg' to continue it in the background [10:48] cool, hope I'll remember that in future :) [10:53] popey: dot to dot! [10:53] :) [10:54] popey: bigcalm a dot to dot of sladen :) [10:54] A dot to dot of a brompton! [10:58] letterfu is pretty cute [10:58] * Laney should read the ML sometime [11:01] morning all [11:01] o/ === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel [11:11] morning :) [11:22] howdy [11:23] g'morning! [11:23] you well [11:23] ? [11:23] top of the morning to ya [11:27] Azelphur, did you sort nagios ? [11:35] diplo, indeed, only to find out that my effort was largely ported as nagios is abandoned and forked now [11:35] :D [11:37] It's got forks but not abandoned though ? [11:37] I use nagios all over the place [11:38] diplo, oh ;p [11:38] diplo, apparently icinga is what I'm meant to be using [11:38] Was going to say you could just use check_procs [11:39] o.O [11:39] it's an alternative based on nagios code, I don't like it that much, i prefer some parts [11:39] Heh, Facebook has backtracked on letting applications have access to users addresses & mobile numbers [11:39] you dont like icinga? [11:39] Dont like all of it, like parts [11:40] :p [11:40] Centreon is nice but a biatch to configure, which is a front end to nagios [11:40] DJones: I didn't mind having my info on Facebook before, but now with the app access, I took them off [11:41] diplo, I mostly have nagios working anyway, just need check_game [11:41] Myrtti: I didn't have mine on, but it did make me go and double check that I didn't just in case I'd forgotten I'd put them on [11:41] I got nagircbot and nagdroid working :D [11:43] nice, will have to do a write up of your setup at some point, always interested in stuff like that :) [11:43] * dwatkins never put his mobile number on facebook for exactly this kind of reason [11:43] ujujujuuuuu I heard a little snap from my neck [11:44] I went to remove all my personal information from it the other day, and didn't fund any :) [11:44] I was tempted to put the phone of privacy international in mine :) [11:44] diplo, haha I hardly understand it myself [11:46] Myrtti: Hopefully the noise was something slipping back into place [11:46] I get that a lot from my neck, my wrists, my ankles and my back, Myrtti. [11:47] I gather it's nitrogen suddenly going back into a part of the joint. [11:47] good moerning [11:49] what does "arm's length body" mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Council [11:50] not close [11:50] Any transactions it makes are at arms length & not to benefit its own administrators [11:51] Myrtti: http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Aboutus/OrganisationsthatworkwithDH/Armslengthbodies/DH_4105577 [11:54] Maybe a better definition http://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/content/137/arms-length-government [11:57] right [12:00] It sounds like another name for a Quango [12:02] Myrtti, something not to be touched with a barge pole, even? === denny- is now known as denny [12:10] danfish: you about ? [12:11] awwww was watching bbc news and changed the channel because it was boring and then realised other channels are in foreign :-( [12:11] hah [12:11] "In foreign" [12:11] Myrtti: but you understand foreign! [12:11] oooo pokemon [12:12] It appears an "arm's length body" is a quango, or quasi non-governmental organisation [12:12] ooo cnn [12:12] afternoonings all. [12:12] that's what wikipedia seems to think anyway. [12:14] MartijnVdS: these people seem to speak the kind of foreign that makes little sense to me [12:15] dwatkins: it is something that isn't supposed to look political [12:15] AlanBell: aha I see [12:24] I've just tried burning the natty iso to cd... it's too big [12:25] SuperMatt: its in the documentation, need to be a USB I think [12:25] k [12:25] can it be burnt to dvd? [12:25] or dvd [12:25] sometimes the ISOs get oversized during the course of a cycle [12:30] yeah, it's no biggie, I have loads of blank dvds hanging around [12:30] just for some reason it wasn't working on my usb [12:33] SuperMatt: oh likewise [12:33] where are you having issues? [12:33] yeah [12:33] uhm [12:33] during boot [12:33] something about not being able to read something [12:34] dvd will do just fine though [12:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/703552 [12:34] Ubuntu bug 703552 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Unity won't install via usb as a clean install" [Undecided,Incomplete] [12:35] czajkowski: why does that read unity won't install, surely it should read ubiquity? [12:36] we're gonna blame the way you have to enter text [12:36] and ev didnt comment on it :D === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [12:37] yup, dvd is working fine [12:38] so tis the USB! [12:46] yeah, it's working flawlessly from the dvd [12:47] feckin usb [12:49] next up: installing centos :/ [12:49] czajkowski: have you tried a different usb stick? [12:49] that's one thing I don't care much for [12:49] davmor2: it's me with the problems, and no [12:49] I don't have a spare right now :( [12:50] SuperMatt: czajkowski had a similar issue [12:50] oh right [12:50] well I'm installing natty on my test box, I wanna see what it's like these days [12:50] davmor2: yup [12:52] hi all [12:52] hello pr0ph3t [12:53] oh god, grub won't install >.< [12:54] I'll see if centos will install ok [13:00] I have a printer shared via cups, how do I work out what the ipp url to access it is? [13:03] screen-x: for what? If it's ubuntu all you need to do is select show printers shared by other systems in printing. [13:03] davmor2: the printer is shared by an ubuntu system, but I need to connect to it from an old CLI only suse install. [13:04] Do you not just got to http://ipaddress:631 and can pick the ip address/printer name up from there [13:05] DJones: I know the address and the printer name, but not sure how the url should be formed.. ipp://host/printer? ipp://host/queue/printer? etc [13:06] screen-x: Ah, ok, I did that to connect a shared printer to a windows box, but that was using the http:// address, not the ipp address [13:07] DJones: maybe I could use http instead.. how did you form the url? [13:07] screen-x: ipp://ipadress:631/printer/name of printer [13:07] davmor2: thanks :) [13:08] screen-x: sorry it's ipp://ipaddress:631/printers/name of printer [13:08] not printer [13:08] ok :) [13:12] I CAN HAZ FALAFEL! [13:12] that is all [13:13] i have a premonition [13:13] kaushal will arrive shortly... [13:15] * czajkowski steals popey FALAFEL! [13:16] chickpeas are EVIL [13:16] EVIL I TELL YOU [13:16] * popey has chickpeas too! [13:17] It's a Feta & Falafel Snackpot from M&S. [13:17]