/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/18/#ubuntu-us-oh.txt

dmcgloneHi everyone00:13
Unit193Hello dmcglone00:15
* Unit193 just got home00:15
Unit193How was the library?00:15
dmcgloneI haven't had a chance to go check it out00:20
dmcgloneI'm going to go check it out tomorrow while the kids are in school00:20
canthus13Just got an overly-enthusiastic new ubuntu user. He was quite happy to just reinstall after he broke his network drivers since I couldn't give the extended support over the phone here at work...00:36
* canthus13 sent him links to the loco page and pointed him to this and #ubuntu.00:36
Unit193canthus13: are your prices good for your area?00:38
Unit193The ISP you work for00:40
canthus13Pretty good, yes.00:42
canthus13We have pretty plain pricing. It's a little higher initially, but we don't hide anything.. None of the sudden price hikes or bait & switch crap that at&t pulls.00:49
Unit193I looked-up your prices... ours are about the same.... Akron has better then both...00:50
* canthus13 will say without a doubt that his company has better support than just about any other. :)00:51
Unit193Helping linux users? I would say so!00:51
Unit193Ok, our price is a bit better...00:53
canthus13:)00:54
Unit193Did you ever finish your puzzle? ;)00:54
canthus13NOpe.00:55
dmcgloneI'm back. had to take a movie back01:13
Unit193Welcome Back dmcglone!01:14
dmcglonethey would have charged me a full $1.00 if I didn't get it back by 9pm according to my wife... LOL01:14
dmcgloneI got my time warner internet today, I can tell a big difference01:16
Unit193speedtest.net01:16
dmcglone10.7901:17
dmcgloneWoah!01:17
dmcglone.48 up01:18
Unit193No fair.....01:18
dmcgloneWhooo hoooo01:18
* dmcglone has never had anything over 2.5 - 3.001:19
* Unit193 never had anything over 101:20
Cheri703hola boys01:20
Unit193Hello Cheri70301:20
Unit193How did it go?01:20
Cheri703:/ didn't do it today01:20
Cheri703doing it tomorrow01:20
dmcgloneHi Cheri70301:20
Cheri703didn't feel well01:20
Cheri703hey dmcglone01:20
Cheri703matt is really happy with his site :)01:20
dmcglone:-)01:21
dmcgloneI'm glad he is01:21
dmcgloneYou should get credit too ;-)01:21
dmcgloneMan I'm ecstatic about that 10.79Mbps01:24
dmcglonethe cable guy was telling me how crappy Belkin routers are today01:25
Unit193I don't like the one I have looked at...01:25
Unit193BiosElement: This sum any of it up? http://antimatter15.com/wp/2011/01/the-ambiguity-of-open-and-vp8-vs-h-264/01:26
dmcgloneHe told me that Belkins were more geared for 1 room kinda stuff01:26
BiosElementAhh hangon I'll look01:26
Unit193Cisco/Linksys seems good01:27
dmcgloneThats what he said01:27
Unit193What do you have?01:28
dmcgloneBelkin01:28
dmcgloneLOL01:28
Unit193Use FF?01:28
dmcgloneyeah I use firefox why?01:29
Unit193In the login screen, right click in the frame a view the frame source01:31
Unit193Search for pass01:31
Unit193see if it's in the source (or if they fixed it in your version)01:31
BiosElementUnit193: No, not really. Dude seems to have a bias for patents01:31
BiosElementNot to mention he's dead wrong on a few points.01:32
BiosElementAnd it's not truly great what MPEG has done. >.>01:32
BiosElementHe'd rather brand everyone who thinks Software patents are evil a F/OSS Extremist.01:32
Unit193Ah, I didn't look at the history part01:33
BiosElementRight now, the discussion has been polarized between free software advocates who often seek to eradicate proprietary or patent-encumbered ideas from the face of reality and those who hold a disregard for the open source values.01:33
dmcgloneok let me look01:33
BiosElement^Note how he goes from eradicate, to simply a disregard for values01:33
dmcgloneit's not there01:34
dmcglonethey seem to have fixed it01:34
Unit193dmcglone: That's good, the one I have used only lets you set a 3 letter pass01:35
dmcglonereally?01:36
dmcglonethat sux01:36
Unit193BiosElement: That seemed to be somewhat of a good summary where it talks about the diff browsers and such...01:37
BiosElementYeah, it started good01:37
Unit193dmcglone: Can't even flash it to DD-WRT or Tomato01:37
BiosElementBut his conclusions are biased for patents which proves either a) he makes money from it or b) he doesn't understand it01:37
dmcgloneOr C he's an idiot01:38
Unit193I only read up till the history01:38
Unit193Do you have a better summary?01:38
BiosElementNot really01:54
BiosElement"My concern is that the free software advocates are derailing the whole debate and demanding that the entire video industry (they will claim offline video can be re-encoded for web use, but this is impractical for a number of reasons) must only use a free and open standard."01:57
BiosElement^Awesome, good to know people like paying 15 million dollars a year to encode in H.264. :)01:57
Unit193OK, I didn't/don't want to go around and read about 10 blog posts about it..01:57
Unit193I think dropping H.264 was a good idea01:57
BiosElementHunting for a resonable article on it01:58
BiosElementKinda hard heh01:58
Unit193I think I mostly know what's going on...01:59
dmcgloneBiosElement: I think it should be a free/open standard01:59
dmcgloneI think everything should be a free/open standard01:59
BiosElementdmcglone: Yes, but we're 'freetards' who are too poor to pay 15mil for encoding videos. >.<02:00
dmcgloneI don't care how they encode the crap, just make it so it's accessible without fear of being sued02:01
BiosElementYou can acccess it easy02:01
canthus13dmcglone: Belkin routers *ARE* crappy.02:01
Unit193dmcglone: At this point do you really care if you're using Adobe Flash?02:01
BiosElementIt's legal to view H.26402:01
BiosElementBut if you encode it, you're screwed.02:01
dmcgloneI'm referring to stuff like drivers etc..02:01
dmcgloneI think the web should adapt 1 standard and enforce it.02:02
Unit193Same question, are you not going to use it if it isn't "free"?02:02
Unit193(OpenSource)02:02
BiosElementUnit193: I know I would. But if I can't encode H.264 legally I wouldn't. ;)02:03
dmcgloneI wouldn't use it02:03
Unit193You wouldn't use it if it isn't OpenSource?02:04
dmcgloneno, I wouldn't use it if it wasn't02:04
Unit193PThat was more at Bios then you dmcglone... but thanks...02:06
BiosElementHmm02:06
dmcglonethe point i'm trying to convey is like HTML, it works everywhere and it's freely accessible, I think everything should be that way02:06
BiosElement"The announcement merely makes it free to distribute content that people have already licensed to encode, he said. Decoding that content will need a license, as will developing the content."02:06
BiosElement^Wow...so free means nothing02:06
dmcgloneI don't care if they charge for their apps, just don't make it hard to access that app with "special drivers"02:06
BiosElement"The question is, who are you going to trust to not hold standards licensees to ransom? Little MPEG or giant Google?" Howe asked. "At this point, I don't think we know who is the bigger bandit."02:07
BiosElementLinuxinsider is full of themselves with that quote02:07
BiosElementSeeing as Google already issued legally binding guarentees that they won't sue users of VP8 for patents and release it free >.>02:08
dmcglonegot a point there02:08
BiosElementWhile in the otherhand MPEG has sworn to sue anyone who violates their patents02:08
BiosElementAnd 'little' MPEG has microsoft...apple...intel...real little companies02:08
Unit193I don't care if I need nvidia drivers as long as they are free (as in I don't have to pay)02:08
dmcglonethats how I feel Unit02:09
dmcgloneI don't support a company that charges you to be able to access their product02:09
Unit193I just asked you the question and you said you wouldn't use them...?02:10
dmcglonesort a like kroger charging a cover charge to shop there for kroger brands02:10
dmcgloneI said i would, I misread your question02:10
dmcglonewait a second02:11
dmcgloneI'm confused here02:11
dmcglonethe way I feel is like the kroger analogy02:11
dmcgloneflash? no problem, but don't force me to use an OS that I don't wanna use02:12
Unit193"Don't make me pay to use the nvidia drivers"?02:12
dmcgloneright02:12
Unit193That's why synaptic bugs me...02:12
Unit193I think it's synaptic.....02:13
dmcglonehow does it bug you?02:14
dmcglonewe didn't have to pay for synaptic02:15
Unit193My bad.... the Ubuntu repo...?02:16
dmcglonewe don't pay for that either?02:16
Unit193"Multiverse - Software that is not free. "02:16
dmcglonenow that doesn't bug me, but at least put the drivers on a CD so they are available offline02:17
Unit193Maybe it's just me.... but I would kinda like to merge Multiverse and Universe02:17
Unit193So browsing is better (it would be for me, I don't know about anyone else)02:18
dmcglonethey are just basically in 2 separate folders that all02:18
dmcgloneI don't see why we would want to mix free with non-free02:19
dmcglonelet it be known who supports "free" :-)02:19
Unit193I have said it before, "Software that is not free." "Software that is not OpenSource." or am I wayyy of on thsi??02:19
dmcglonethe non-free drivers are in the "dunce" folder ;-)02:19
dmcgloneSoftware that is not free is not OpenSource02:20
dmcgloneOpenSource is the ability to have access to the source code of the program02:21
dmcgloneso it can be improved by anybody, not just one company or person02:21
Unit193non-free = I have to pay money to use this02:21
dmcgloneno02:21
dmcglonewell not exactly02:21
Unit193That is my way of thinking...02:21
dmcglonenon-free is where the source code is closed and nobody is permitted to alter it or anything, but it also means you have to pay for it in a lot of instances02:22
Unit193Yes, I know that02:22
Unit193But if you tell me "That software isn't free" or "That software is non-free" I'm going to think I have to pay money for it...02:23
dmcgloneI think closed source are companies hiding OpenSource code02:24
Unit193I'm ok with calling them closed source...02:24
dmcglonenot necessarily, but it's pretty much true02:24
Unit193I use/find/know of tons of software that is closed source but "freeware"02:25
dmcgloneI call em thieves :-)02:25
dmcgloneI think a lot of closed source companies take opensource software and sell it and they don't want to give the OpenSource authors credit or compensation02:26
Unit193Does this bother you http://www.formatoz.com/ <-- they use mencoder02:27
Unit193As a dll/exe (windows or Wine02:27
dmcgloneno that don't bother me02:29
Unit193Why not?? Now I am confused.....02:29
dmcgloneIf I have a product that I am legally  entitled to, and It forces me to use a format I don't want to use then I'd use that site if I had to02:29
Unit193It isn't OpenSource...02:31
dmcglonebut it converts to any format02:31
dmcgloneOGG is open02:31
dmcglonePNG is open02:31
Unit193That program is closed source... it can convert to open formats02:32
dmcglonedoesn't matter to me if a programmer chooses to make his program open or closed. What matters to me is whether using the product limits me to only using closed source02:33
Unit193My Sansa Fuze "needs" the "Sansa Media Converter" to work with videos, this is one thing I do not like! (so I put Rockbox on it :) )02:33
dmcglonethere ya go02:33
* canthus13 never understood watching videos on an MP3 player...02:34
Unit193OK, now I think I understand! You don't care that much as long as you don't have to only use that program!02:34
canthus13the screen's too damn small.02:34
dmcgloneright02:34
Unit193canthus13: very long car rides...02:34
canthus13Unit193: That's what my laptop's for.02:34
Unit193but the screen is too dang small02:34
* Unit193 doesn't have a laptop with a batt02:35
canthus13Laptop + FM transmitter. :)02:35
canthus13Unit193: Inverter FTW.02:35
canthus13Unit193: http://www.google.com/search?q=100+watt+inverter&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbs=shop:1&tbo=u&ei=afw0TY2sLoa8lQe8gI3SCg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CDUQzAMwAA02:35
canthus13most of those would work fine.02:35
Unit193It also has no HD space (network shares)02:35
canthus13that could be a problem... But a 16GB thumb drive could hold a decent selection of movies... or use the fuze as a hard drive.02:36
* Unit193 has to figure out how to make Linux use SMB server02:36
canthus13Samba.02:36
dmcgloneit's easy02:37
Unit193s/use/be02:37
canthus13Samba.02:37
canthus13It was easier to use NFS, so I got rid of windows on all the machines in the house. :)02:37
dmcglonecanthus13: I can't do that, my son and I play command and conquer02:37
canthus13dmcglone: Play nethack instead. :)02:38
canthus13(kidding.)02:38
dmcglonebut all other times my compters are on linux02:38
canthus13My kids play sauerbraten.02:38
Unit193I have Samba/CIFS working as a client (not all to my liking)02:38
canthus13and minecraft, lately.02:38
canthus13I may have to set up a minecraft server for my kids.02:39
dmcglonehaha02:39
dmcglonemy son loves C&C02:39
dmcglonemy son, my best friend and me play it a lot02:39
canthus13Ah. never got into it myself.02:39
dmcgloneit's the only game I play02:40
dmcgloneYuri's revenge is the best02:40
dmcgloneI used to play starcraft and Diablo II but haven't in like 8 years02:41
dmcgloneso basically my windows box is only used for a game box02:41
Unit193Starcraft!!!02:41
dmcgloneyeah02:41
dmcglonewhy you like starcraft?02:42
Unit193It will play on the very old comps02:42
dmcgloneyeah it will02:42
dmcglonegood game isn't it02:42
Unit193(plus the oldest mac you have seen in a long time...)02:42
Unit193Very good game.... I cheat too much...02:43
dmcgloneDiablo II is also a good one02:43
Unit193Never played that one..02:44
dmcgloneIt's a good one02:44
dmcglonehttp://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/d2/02:44
Unit193Will it also play on the oldest of the old?02:45
dmcgloneI can't recall, I played it on a win 95 machine though02:45
dmcgloneit does require direct x, but it's worth it02:46
Unit193I may try to put that on the old mac...02:46
Unit193G3 OS902:47
dmcglonelook on the website for the requirements02:47
Unit193I did, I was asking you because a real person is much better then some random requirement02:48
dmcgloneI've never owned a Mac.02:48
dmcglonenever will for that matter02:48
dmcglone:-)02:48
Unit193Laptop with a battery that works.... not much good for anything else but SC at this point02:49
dmcgloneit's worth a shot then02:49
Unit193I have been trying to get X/Lubuntu on the desktop G3, no luck yet02:51
dmcglonedoesn't the G3 use a variant of Ubuntu?02:51
Unit193what? G3 is PPC02:52
dmcgloneI thought it was an Apple02:52
Unit193I can't even find the terminal on it...02:52
Unit193It is...02:53
Unit193Desktop = Mac OS 8.602:53
Unit193Laptop = OS902:53
dmcgloneand I thought Mac used a Ubuntu variant?02:53
Unit193Not as well as I know...02:54
dmcglonethats totally weird, I could have swore the mac was using linux02:55
paultagdmcglone: BSD02:55
paultagdmcglone: so, UNIX02:55
dmcgloneAh ok02:55
paultagit uses a mach kernel, not the linux kernel02:55
paultagbut they use a lot of the GNU userland, such as libc, and gcc, as well as bash02:55
dmcgloneAh02:55
dmcglonethat clears it up for me02:55
paultagso to most people, working in GNU/Linux is much the same as working in GNU/Mach02:55
paultagdmcglone: :)02:56
dmcgloneyup02:56
paultagonly thing is that OSX sucks a fat one when it comes to a sane FHS layout02:56
dmcgloneI agree02:56
paultagspeaking of, time to see if I can get it in a virtualbox02:56
dmcglonelol02:56
Unit193Mac os 8.6 and 9 don't seem at all like Linux...02:56
canthus13That's because they're not based at all on any *nix.02:57
paultagUnit193: those are not based on BSD or any UNIX02:57
paultagOSX was the big change02:57
Unit193In OSX some of the CLI commands are the same (cousin has one) in 8.6 and 9 I can't even find the terminal02:58
Unit193Do the pre X ones have a terminal?02:58
paultagUnit193: actually, OSX runs bash and a mostly GNU userland. Instead of X11, it uses their crapware Cocoa02:58
paultagor whatever it is02:58
paultagUnit193: no, I don't think so02:58
Unit193Thanks for the info... now if only you could get ubuntu installed on one for me.... :D02:59
paultagUnit193: poke skellet on identica02:59
paultagUnit193: he keeps a G4 up with Ubuntu02:59
dmcglonewait if it's pre x then it was before a user interface, so shouldn't it be nothing but a terminal? LOL03:00
paultagdmcglone: actually, no -- Macs ran MS-DOS before Mac OS03:00
paultagdmcglone: Mac OS has always been GUI based. Just not X1103:00
dmcgloneI know but DOS is a terminal03:00
paultagdmcglone: aye, so Mac OS it's self never had one until OSX, I think03:00
paultagunless someone tacked one on at sometime03:01
dmcgloneOh well, all I know is I'll never own an apple product03:02
dmcglone:-)03:02
paultagdmcglone: :)03:03
dmcgloneI seen today the new Samsung tablets03:03
Unit193From what I know, the Intel Macs run Linux very well... :D03:03
paultagthey sure do :)03:03
paultagUnit193: and there are teams looking to make sure the hardware is well supported03:03
Unit193paultag: I don't have an Intel one and I don't plan on getting one...03:05
paultagUnit193: poke skellet on identica03:05
dmcgloneUnit193 AMD backer huh?03:05
Unit193dmcglone: Intel mac....03:06
dmcgloneOh darn, i misread once again!03:06
dmcglonedang I need to get my eyes checked03:06
dmcgloneor my brain for that matter ;-)03:06
Unit193paultag: I can't do it tonight and I don't really want to bug him (don't really know him)03:06
Unit193dmcglone: I could use a brain check...03:07
paultagUnit193: What's your identi.ca name?03:07
Unit193I don't have one03:07
dmcgloneUnit193 just blame it on paultag03:07
paultag:)03:07
paultagUnit193: twitter?03:07
Unit193Nope...03:07
dmcglonehe takes the blame for everything anyway, might as well add this one to his repitore03:08
paultagdmcglone: :P03:08
paultagUnit193: your email, then03:08
dmcglonelol03:08
dmcgloneI'll be surprised if you don't have that03:08
dmcgloneLOL03:08
Unit193He doesn't have my email...03:09
paultagUnit193: I don't03:09
paultagUnit193: I'm sending the mail, don't worry03:09
paultagUnit193: He's an Ohio-en, and in your LoCo03:09
dmcgloneyou didn't get what I was saying guys03:09
dmcglonelol03:09
Unit193paultag: sending the mail?03:10
dmcglonehe said he didn't have identic.a then he said he didn't have twitter03:10
paultagUnit193: you need help with installing Ubuntu on a mac classic?03:10
dmcgloneI'd just use a hammer and be done with it03:10
Unit193The desktop was free...03:11
Unit193Need to upgrade the HDD03:11
dmcglonethey should have provided the hammer too03:11
dmcglone;-)03:11
Unit1936G... already fixed the ram03:11
Unit193mostly...03:11
BiosElementAny PHP coder care to lend the CubeCreate a hand? https://identi.ca/notice/6244443803:12
dmcglonemostly?03:12
BiosElement</blatent-self-advertising>03:12
dmcgloneI'll take a look :-)03:12
paultagUnit193: all set. you've got mail03:12
BiosElementThanks dmcglone, I already took a stab at it. Looks easy enough, if you actually know PHP. I barely understand it since I quit so early and went to python >.>03:13
dmcgloneis this your project?03:13
Unit193paultag: I did see this03:13
BiosElementdmcglone: CubeCreate is my project. And I need that feature for our site heh03:15
BiosElementI'll be murdered in my sleep if I leave a twitter feed up there03:15
BiosElementSite is http://cubecreate.com/ he03:16
BiosElement>.>03:16
dmcgloneWhat all needs to be done with PHP?03:16
BiosElementWell the patches are already there and apparently work, but they need ported to the Drupal 7 version of the module so the maintainer can apply them.03:17
dmcgloneI've never ported stuff :-(03:17
BiosElementdmcglone: It really doesn't look that hard, I could 'almost' do it myself...but I suck at PHP03:18
dmcgloneI am willing to give it a go, the coding shouldn't be a problem, it's all the other stuff that might be03:20
dmcgloneBiosElement: do I need to get an identi.ca identity first?03:22
BiosElementdmcglone: Nope, what you can do is just rework the patches and either test them yourself or email them to me/pastebin/whatever and I'll give them a test.03:23
dmcglonewell too late got one anyway.. LOL03:26
dmcgloneOk let me try and find the patches again03:26
BiosElementHeh03:27
dmcgloneBiosElement: is it all 3 attachments or just the twitter-pull-lilsting.tpl.php?03:30
BiosElementdmcglone: I think it's all 303:35
dmcgloneok03:35
dmcgloneI'll take a look tomorrow03:35
BiosElementAight thanks dmcglone03:36
dmcgloneNo problem03:36
dmcgloneI'm gonna get ready to turn in for the night03:37
dmcgloneI'll talk to you all later03:37
Unit193Bye dmcglone03:38
thafreakMorning Ohio15:18
thafreakSo, I tried out the new linux mint debian edition...I have to say, I'm quite impressed15:21
thafreakI've been digging squeeze anyway, but mint ads that extra polish I kind of been used to on the desktop15:22
thafreakI'm half tempted to put it on my one desktop at home15:22
* Cheri703 is FREE17:57
Unit193Cheri703: Sweet! now what? ;)18:22
Cheri703relax for a few days, and then send out applications18:22
Unit193Blood pressure going down yet?18:22
Cheri703getting there :)18:23
Cheri703no car, no job, but happy :) kind of ironic18:23
Unit193The no car could be an issue....18:23
Unit193I think my KVM PM'd bbb.... dang thing!18:49
Cheri703?18:52
Unit193When I use my KVM to switch screens, the mouse/keyboard send PgDn and other random commands...18:58
Unit193In doing so, I sent bbb a message... I think18:58
Cheri703ah18:58
Unit193Ubuntu takes about 20-30 sec to work it out, while XP takes less19:06
Unit193I looked for a program that helped Ubuntu handle it a little better..19:07
Cheri703you just need a newer kvm...one that is happier19:08
bbb_a few yeah.. =)19:19
bbb_no worries19:19
canthus13Cheri703: How'd they take it? Blowing up your phone yet?20:36
Cheri703I think she was in shock20:36
Cheri703I think she really expected me to work another 2 weeks20:36
canthus13Heh.20:36
Cheri703I've never been happier to be unemployed and car-free :)20:38
deejoeCheri703: congratulations20:42
Cheri703thanks20:42
Cheri703there's some upheaval going on in the columbus agency, so once that gets figured out, some strong possibilities for me20:44
canthus13bah. the FTC gave the nod to the Comcast/NBC merger. :(20:52
BiosElementHmm, my domain 'colonylinux.com' is about to expire. I don't need it, but if anyone wants it let me know. ^_^21:09
BiosElementHELLYEAH!!!!! http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/56821:31
BiosElement>.>21:31
Unit193Going to give Ubuntu a shot?21:44
Unit193I love xkill...21:52
BiosElementhttp://twitter.com/#!/garrynewman/status/2733381524023296022:15
BiosElement^Awesome22:15
Unit193Yep... that's great...22:32
canthus13ColonyLinux... sounds like a bacteria.23:29
BiosElementHah23:42
canthus13Debian installed on a bacterial colony...23:56

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