[00:13] Hi everyone [00:15] Hello dmcglone [00:15] * Unit193 just got home [00:15] How was the library? [00:20] I haven't had a chance to go check it out [00:20] I'm going to go check it out tomorrow while the kids are in school [00:36] Just got an overly-enthusiastic new ubuntu user. He was quite happy to just reinstall after he broke his network drivers since I couldn't give the extended support over the phone here at work... [00:36] * canthus13 sent him links to the loco page and pointed him to this and #ubuntu. [00:38] canthus13: are your prices good for your area? [00:40] The ISP you work for [00:42] Pretty good, yes. [00:49] We have pretty plain pricing. It's a little higher initially, but we don't hide anything.. None of the sudden price hikes or bait & switch crap that at&t pulls. [00:50] I looked-up your prices... ours are about the same.... Akron has better then both... [00:51] * canthus13 will say without a doubt that his company has better support than just about any other. :) [00:51] Helping linux users? I would say so! [00:53] Ok, our price is a bit better... [00:54] :) [00:54] Did you ever finish your puzzle? ;) [00:55] NOpe. [01:13] I'm back. had to take a movie back [01:14] Welcome Back dmcglone! [01:14] they would have charged me a full $1.00 if I didn't get it back by 9pm according to my wife... LOL [01:16] I got my time warner internet today, I can tell a big difference [01:16] speedtest.net [01:17] 10.79 [01:17] Woah! [01:18] .48 up [01:18] No fair..... [01:18] Whooo hoooo [01:19] * dmcglone has never had anything over 2.5 - 3.0 [01:20] * Unit193 never had anything over 1 [01:20] hola boys [01:20] Hello Cheri703 [01:20] How did it go? [01:20] :/ didn't do it today [01:20] doing it tomorrow [01:20] Hi Cheri703 [01:20] didn't feel well [01:20] hey dmcglone [01:20] matt is really happy with his site :) [01:21] :-) [01:21] I'm glad he is [01:21] You should get credit too ;-) [01:24] Man I'm ecstatic about that 10.79Mbps [01:25] the cable guy was telling me how crappy Belkin routers are today [01:25] I don't like the one I have looked at... [01:26] BiosElement: This sum any of it up? http://antimatter15.com/wp/2011/01/the-ambiguity-of-open-and-vp8-vs-h-264/ [01:26] He told me that Belkins were more geared for 1 room kinda stuff [01:26] Ahh hangon I'll look [01:27] Cisco/Linksys seems good [01:27] Thats what he said [01:28] What do you have? [01:28] Belkin [01:28] LOL [01:28] Use FF? [01:29] yeah I use firefox why? [01:31] In the login screen, right click in the frame a view the frame source [01:31] Search for pass [01:31] see if it's in the source (or if they fixed it in your version) [01:31] Unit193: No, not really. Dude seems to have a bias for patents [01:32] Not to mention he's dead wrong on a few points. [01:32] And it's not truly great what MPEG has done. >.> [01:32] He'd rather brand everyone who thinks Software patents are evil a F/OSS Extremist. [01:33] Ah, I didn't look at the history part [01:33] Right now, the discussion has been polarized between free software advocates who often seek to eradicate proprietary or patent-encumbered ideas from the face of reality and those who hold a disregard for the open source values. [01:33] ok let me look [01:33] ^Note how he goes from eradicate, to simply a disregard for values [01:34] it's not there [01:34] they seem to have fixed it [01:35] dmcglone: That's good, the one I have used only lets you set a 3 letter pass [01:36] really? [01:36] that sux [01:37] BiosElement: That seemed to be somewhat of a good summary where it talks about the diff browsers and such... [01:37] Yeah, it started good [01:37] dmcglone: Can't even flash it to DD-WRT or Tomato [01:37] But his conclusions are biased for patents which proves either a) he makes money from it or b) he doesn't understand it [01:38] Or C he's an idiot [01:38] I only read up till the history [01:38] Do you have a better summary? [01:54] Not really [01:57] "My concern is that the free software advocates are derailing the whole debate and demanding that the entire video industry (they will claim offline video can be re-encoded for web use, but this is impractical for a number of reasons) must only use a free and open standard." [01:57] ^Awesome, good to know people like paying 15 million dollars a year to encode in H.264. :) [01:57] OK, I didn't/don't want to go around and read about 10 blog posts about it.. [01:57] I think dropping H.264 was a good idea [01:58] Hunting for a resonable article on it [01:58] Kinda hard heh [01:59] I think I mostly know what's going on... [01:59] BiosElement: I think it should be a free/open standard [01:59] I think everything should be a free/open standard [02:00] dmcglone: Yes, but we're 'freetards' who are too poor to pay 15mil for encoding videos. >.< [02:01] I don't care how they encode the crap, just make it so it's accessible without fear of being sued [02:01] You can acccess it easy [02:01] dmcglone: Belkin routers *ARE* crappy. [02:01] dmcglone: At this point do you really care if you're using Adobe Flash? [02:01] It's legal to view H.264 [02:01] But if you encode it, you're screwed. [02:01] I'm referring to stuff like drivers etc.. [02:02] I think the web should adapt 1 standard and enforce it. [02:02] Same question, are you not going to use it if it isn't "free"? [02:02] (OpenSource) [02:03] Unit193: I know I would. But if I can't encode H.264 legally I wouldn't. ;) [02:03] I wouldn't use it [02:04] You wouldn't use it if it isn't OpenSource? [02:04] no, I wouldn't use it if it wasn't [02:06] That was more at Bios then you dmcglone... but thanks... [02:06] Hmm [02:06] the point i'm trying to convey is like HTML, it works everywhere and it's freely accessible, I think everything should be that way [02:06] "The announcement merely makes it free to distribute content that people have already licensed to encode, he said. Decoding that content will need a license, as will developing the content." [02:06] ^Wow...so free means nothing [02:06] I don't care if they charge for their apps, just don't make it hard to access that app with "special drivers" [02:07] "The question is, who are you going to trust to not hold standards licensees to ransom? Little MPEG or giant Google?" Howe asked. "At this point, I don't think we know who is the bigger bandit." [02:07] Linuxinsider is full of themselves with that quote [02:08] Seeing as Google already issued legally binding guarentees that they won't sue users of VP8 for patents and release it free >.> [02:08] got a point there [02:08] While in the otherhand MPEG has sworn to sue anyone who violates their patents [02:08] And 'little' MPEG has microsoft...apple...intel...real little companies [02:08] I don't care if I need nvidia drivers as long as they are free (as in I don't have to pay) [02:09] thats how I feel Unit [02:09] I don't support a company that charges you to be able to access their product [02:10] I just asked you the question and you said you wouldn't use them...? [02:10] sort a like kroger charging a cover charge to shop there for kroger brands [02:10] I said i would, I misread your question [02:11] wait a second [02:11] I'm confused here [02:11] the way I feel is like the kroger analogy [02:12] flash? no problem, but don't force me to use an OS that I don't wanna use [02:12] "Don't make me pay to use the nvidia drivers"? [02:12] right [02:12] That's why synaptic bugs me... [02:13] I think it's synaptic..... [02:14] how does it bug you? [02:15] we didn't have to pay for synaptic [02:16] My bad.... the Ubuntu repo...? [02:16] we don't pay for that either? [02:16] "Multiverse - Software that is not free. " [02:17] now that doesn't bug me, but at least put the drivers on a CD so they are available offline [02:17] Maybe it's just me.... but I would kinda like to merge Multiverse and Universe [02:18] So browsing is better (it would be for me, I don't know about anyone else) [02:18] they are just basically in 2 separate folders that all [02:19] I don't see why we would want to mix free with non-free [02:19] let it be known who supports "free" :-) [02:19] I have said it before, "Software that is not free." "Software that is not OpenSource." or am I wayyy of on thsi?? [02:19] the non-free drivers are in the "dunce" folder ;-) [02:20] Software that is not free is not OpenSource [02:21] OpenSource is the ability to have access to the source code of the program [02:21] so it can be improved by anybody, not just one company or person [02:21] non-free = I have to pay money to use this [02:21] no [02:21] well not exactly [02:21] That is my way of thinking... [02:22] non-free is where the source code is closed and nobody is permitted to alter it or anything, but it also means you have to pay for it in a lot of instances [02:22] Yes, I know that [02:23] But if you tell me "That software isn't free" or "That software is non-free" I'm going to think I have to pay money for it... [02:24] I think closed source are companies hiding OpenSource code [02:24] I'm ok with calling them closed source... [02:24] not necessarily, but it's pretty much true [02:25] I use/find/know of tons of software that is closed source but "freeware" [02:25] I call em thieves :-) [02:26] I think a lot of closed source companies take opensource software and sell it and they don't want to give the OpenSource authors credit or compensation [02:27] Does this bother you http://www.formatoz.com/ <-- they use mencoder [02:27] As a dll/exe (windows or Wine [02:29] no that don't bother me [02:29] Why not?? Now I am confused..... [02:29] If I have a product that I am legally entitled to, and It forces me to use a format I don't want to use then I'd use that site if I had to [02:31] It isn't OpenSource... [02:31] but it converts to any format [02:31] OGG is open [02:31] PNG is open [02:32] That program is closed source... it can convert to open formats [02:33] doesn't matter to me if a programmer chooses to make his program open or closed. What matters to me is whether using the product limits me to only using closed source [02:33] My Sansa Fuze "needs" the "Sansa Media Converter" to work with videos, this is one thing I do not like! (so I put Rockbox on it :) ) [02:33] there ya go [02:34] * canthus13 never understood watching videos on an MP3 player... [02:34] OK, now I think I understand! You don't care that much as long as you don't have to only use that program! [02:34] the screen's too damn small. [02:34] right [02:34] canthus13: very long car rides... [02:34] Unit193: That's what my laptop's for. [02:34] but the screen is too dang small [02:35] * Unit193 doesn't have a laptop with a batt [02:35] Laptop + FM transmitter. :) [02:35] Unit193: Inverter FTW. [02:35] Unit193: http://www.google.com/search?q=100+watt+inverter&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbs=shop:1&tbo=u&ei=afw0TY2sLoa8lQe8gI3SCg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CDUQzAMwAA [02:35] most of those would work fine. [02:35] It also has no HD space (network shares) [02:36] that could be a problem... But a 16GB thumb drive could hold a decent selection of movies... or use the fuze as a hard drive. [02:36] * Unit193 has to figure out how to make Linux use SMB server [02:36] Samba. [02:37] it's easy [02:37] s/use/be [02:37] Samba. [02:37] It was easier to use NFS, so I got rid of windows on all the machines in the house. :) [02:37] canthus13: I can't do that, my son and I play command and conquer [02:38] dmcglone: Play nethack instead. :) [02:38] (kidding.) [02:38] but all other times my compters are on linux [02:38] My kids play sauerbraten. [02:38] I have Samba/CIFS working as a client (not all to my liking) [02:38] and minecraft, lately. [02:39] I may have to set up a minecraft server for my kids. [02:39] haha [02:39] my son loves C&C [02:39] my son, my best friend and me play it a lot [02:39] Ah. never got into it myself. [02:40] it's the only game I play [02:40] Yuri's revenge is the best [02:41] I used to play starcraft and Diablo II but haven't in like 8 years [02:41] so basically my windows box is only used for a game box [02:41] Starcraft!!! [02:41] yeah [02:42] why you like starcraft? [02:42] It will play on the very old comps [02:42] yeah it will [02:42] good game isn't it [02:42] (plus the oldest mac you have seen in a long time...) [02:43] Very good game.... I cheat too much... [02:43] Diablo II is also a good one [02:44] Never played that one.. [02:44] It's a good one [02:44] http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/d2/ [02:45] Will it also play on the oldest of the old? [02:45] I can't recall, I played it on a win 95 machine though [02:46] it does require direct x, but it's worth it [02:46] I may try to put that on the old mac... [02:47] G3 OS9 [02:47] look on the website for the requirements [02:48] I did, I was asking you because a real person is much better then some random requirement [02:48] I've never owned a Mac. [02:48] never will for that matter [02:48] :-) [02:49] Laptop with a battery that works.... not much good for anything else but SC at this point [02:49] it's worth a shot then [02:51] I have been trying to get X/Lubuntu on the desktop G3, no luck yet [02:51] doesn't the G3 use a variant of Ubuntu? [02:52] what? G3 is PPC [02:52] I thought it was an Apple [02:52] I can't even find the terminal on it... [02:53] It is... [02:53] Desktop = Mac OS 8.6 [02:53] Laptop = OS9 [02:53] and I thought Mac used a Ubuntu variant? [02:54] Not as well as I know... [02:55] thats totally weird, I could have swore the mac was using linux [02:55] dmcglone: BSD [02:55] dmcglone: so, UNIX [02:55] Ah ok [02:55] it uses a mach kernel, not the linux kernel [02:55] but they use a lot of the GNU userland, such as libc, and gcc, as well as bash [02:55] Ah [02:55] that clears it up for me [02:55] so to most people, working in GNU/Linux is much the same as working in GNU/Mach [02:56] dmcglone: :) [02:56] yup [02:56] only thing is that OSX sucks a fat one when it comes to a sane FHS layout [02:56] I agree [02:56] speaking of, time to see if I can get it in a virtualbox [02:56] lol [02:56] Mac os 8.6 and 9 don't seem at all like Linux... [02:57] That's because they're not based at all on any *nix. [02:57] Unit193: those are not based on BSD or any UNIX [02:57] OSX was the big change [02:58] In OSX some of the CLI commands are the same (cousin has one) in 8.6 and 9 I can't even find the terminal [02:58] Do the pre X ones have a terminal? [02:58] Unit193: actually, OSX runs bash and a mostly GNU userland. Instead of X11, it uses their crapware Cocoa [02:58] or whatever it is [02:58] Unit193: no, I don't think so [02:59] Thanks for the info... now if only you could get ubuntu installed on one for me.... :D [02:59] Unit193: poke skellet on identica [02:59] Unit193: he keeps a G4 up with Ubuntu [03:00] wait if it's pre x then it was before a user interface, so shouldn't it be nothing but a terminal? LOL [03:00] dmcglone: actually, no -- Macs ran MS-DOS before Mac OS [03:00] dmcglone: Mac OS has always been GUI based. Just not X11 [03:00] I know but DOS is a terminal [03:00] dmcglone: aye, so Mac OS it's self never had one until OSX, I think [03:01] unless someone tacked one on at sometime [03:02] Oh well, all I know is I'll never own an apple product [03:02] :-) [03:03] dmcglone: :) [03:03] I seen today the new Samsung tablets [03:03] From what I know, the Intel Macs run Linux very well... :D [03:03] they sure do :) [03:03] Unit193: and there are teams looking to make sure the hardware is well supported [03:05] paultag: I don't have an Intel one and I don't plan on getting one... [03:05] Unit193: poke skellet on identica [03:05] Unit193 AMD backer huh? [03:06] dmcglone: Intel mac.... [03:06] Oh darn, i misread once again! [03:06] dang I need to get my eyes checked [03:06] or my brain for that matter ;-) [03:06] paultag: I can't do it tonight and I don't really want to bug him (don't really know him) [03:07] dmcglone: I could use a brain check... [03:07] Unit193: What's your identi.ca name? [03:07] I don't have one [03:07] Unit193 just blame it on paultag [03:07] :) [03:07] Unit193: twitter? [03:07] Nope... [03:08] he takes the blame for everything anyway, might as well add this one to his repitore [03:08] dmcglone: :P [03:08] Unit193: your email, then [03:08] lol [03:08] I'll be surprised if you don't have that [03:08] LOL [03:09] He doesn't have my email... [03:09] Unit193: I don't [03:09] Unit193: I'm sending the mail, don't worry [03:09] Unit193: He's an Ohio-en, and in your LoCo [03:09] you didn't get what I was saying guys [03:09] lol [03:10] paultag: sending the mail? [03:10] he said he didn't have identic.a then he said he didn't have twitter [03:10] Unit193: you need help with installing Ubuntu on a mac classic? [03:10] I'd just use a hammer and be done with it [03:11] The desktop was free... [03:11] Need to upgrade the HDD [03:11] they should have provided the hammer too [03:11] ;-) [03:11] 6G... already fixed the ram [03:11] mostly... [03:12] Any PHP coder care to lend the CubeCreate a hand? https://identi.ca/notice/62444438 [03:12] mostly? [03:12] [03:12] I'll take a look :-) [03:12] Unit193: all set. you've got mail [03:13] Thanks dmcglone, I already took a stab at it. Looks easy enough, if you actually know PHP. I barely understand it since I quit so early and went to python >.> [03:13] is this your project? [03:13] paultag: I did see this [03:15] dmcglone: CubeCreate is my project. And I need that feature for our site heh [03:15] I'll be murdered in my sleep if I leave a twitter feed up there [03:16] Site is http://cubecreate.com/ he [03:16] >.> [03:16] What all needs to be done with PHP? [03:17] Well the patches are already there and apparently work, but they need ported to the Drupal 7 version of the module so the maintainer can apply them. [03:17] I've never ported stuff :-( [03:18] dmcglone: It really doesn't look that hard, I could 'almost' do it myself...but I suck at PHP [03:20] I am willing to give it a go, the coding shouldn't be a problem, it's all the other stuff that might be [03:22] BiosElement: do I need to get an identi.ca identity first? [03:23] dmcglone: Nope, what you can do is just rework the patches and either test them yourself or email them to me/pastebin/whatever and I'll give them a test. [03:26] well too late got one anyway.. LOL [03:26] Ok let me try and find the patches again [03:27] Heh [03:30] BiosElement: is it all 3 attachments or just the twitter-pull-lilsting.tpl.php? [03:35] dmcglone: I think it's all 3 [03:35] ok [03:35] I'll take a look tomorrow [03:36] Aight thanks dmcglone [03:36] No problem [03:37] I'm gonna get ready to turn in for the night [03:37] I'll talk to you all later [03:38] Bye dmcglone [15:18] Morning Ohio [15:21] So, I tried out the new linux mint debian edition...I have to say, I'm quite impressed [15:22] I've been digging squeeze anyway, but mint ads that extra polish I kind of been used to on the desktop [15:22] I'm half tempted to put it on my one desktop at home [17:57] * Cheri703 is FREE [18:22] Cheri703: Sweet! now what? ;) [18:22] relax for a few days, and then send out applications [18:22] Blood pressure going down yet? [18:23] getting there :) [18:23] no car, no job, but happy :) kind of ironic [18:23] The no car could be an issue.... [18:49] I think my KVM PM'd bbb.... dang thing! [18:52] ? [18:58] When I use my KVM to switch screens, the mouse/keyboard send PgDn and other random commands... [18:58] In doing so, I sent bbb a message... I think [18:58] ah [19:06] Ubuntu takes about 20-30 sec to work it out, while XP takes less [19:07] I looked for a program that helped Ubuntu handle it a little better.. [19:08] you just need a newer kvm...one that is happier [19:19] a few yeah.. =) [19:19] no worries [20:36] Cheri703: How'd they take it? Blowing up your phone yet? [20:36] I think she was in shock [20:36] I think she really expected me to work another 2 weeks [20:36] Heh. [20:38] I've never been happier to be unemployed and car-free :) [20:42] Cheri703: congratulations [20:42] thanks [20:44] there's some upheaval going on in the columbus agency, so once that gets figured out, some strong possibilities for me [20:52] bah. the FTC gave the nod to the Comcast/NBC merger. :( [21:09] Hmm, my domain 'colonylinux.com' is about to expire. I don't need it, but if anyone wants it let me know. ^_^ [21:31] HELLYEAH!!!!! http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568 [21:31] >.> [21:44] Going to give Ubuntu a shot? [21:52] I love xkill... [22:15] http://twitter.com/#!/garrynewman/status/27333815240232960 [22:15] ^Awesome [22:32] Yep... that's great... [23:29] ColonyLinux... sounds like a bacteria. [23:42] Hah [23:56] Debian installed on a bacterial colony...