| cyberanger | the point of a cap is those that are above normal threshold | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| cyberanger | but the question if it's doable by just anyone | 00:03 |
| cyberanger | yes | 00:03 |
| chibihogoshino | yeah i was just wondering how long it would take at full speed | 00:06 |
| cyberanger | your full speed | 00:12 |
| cyberanger | or your plans | 00:12 |
| cyberanger | 8 hours, 27G | 00:12 |
| cyberanger | qne my plan is 3mb/s | 00:13 |
| vychune | hello | 03:05 |
| cyberanger | hey vychune | 03:11 |
| vychune | hello again cyberanger | 03:16 |
| vychune | sorry i was watching WWE RAW | 03:17 |
| cyberanger | hey chris4585 | 03:17 |
| cyberanger | you know you quit in the download period last night | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | vychune: quite alright | 03:18 |
| vychune | download period? | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | satellite internet | 03:18 |
| vychune | and thanks | 03:18 |
| vychune | cool | 03:18 |
| cyberanger | capped, but a period in the night goes unmeterted | 03:18 |
| vychune | ok | 03:19 |
| vychune | so what are you guys upto? | 03:23 |
| cyberanger | downloading the ubuntu repository | 03:23 |
| cyberanger | peice by peice | 03:24 |
| vychune | THE WHOLE THING? | 03:24 |
| vychune | D**M | 03:24 |
| cyberanger | in the end it'll be the whole thing | 03:24 |
| vychune | HOLY SHITTE | 03:24 |
| cyberanger | atm just hardy and lucid, next I'm gonna add natty | 03:25 |
| vychune | atm? | 03:25 |
| vychune | and have you tried unity 2D | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | and between working withing isp constraints, and end of life for some versions, I'll get it all on my servers | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | atm, at the moment | 03:26 |
| vychune | wow | 03:27 |
| cyberanger | working somewhat slowly, lest I piss off my isp | 03:27 |
| cyberanger | 90G a month tops | 03:27 |
| vychune | lol | 03:27 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, hrm yeah? I quit so I wouldn't be disconnecting and reconnecting all night | 03:27 |
| cyberanger | or get a higher bandwidth cap if it's unobtainable goal | 03:28 |
| cyberanger | not tried unity yet | 03:28 |
| vychune | oh ok | 03:28 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: it doesn't take alot of bandwidth to maintain a mirror | 03:29 |
| vychune | whats atm mean? | 03:29 |
| cyberanger | just setting it up | 03:29 |
| cyberanger | atm, at the moment | 03:29 |
| vychune | oh ok | 03:29 |
| vychune | *slaps himself* | 03:29 |
| vychune | lol | 03:30 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: if I knewwhat packages work and chattacon need, I'd be even more selective | 03:31 |
| cyberanger | idk if that'd help you, but I bet it could | 03:31 |
| chris4585 | I'm slightly confused, but I'm fine cyberanger | 03:32 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, I think I showed you this already http://chris4585.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/hughesnet-i-hate-you-but-then-i-love-you/ | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | talking about a bandwidth conservation idea for you | 03:32 |
| cyberanger | a private mirror, real selective in what it has | 03:33 |
| chris4585 | its alright cyberanger, I do fine by not doing anything lol | 03:33 |
| cyberanger | that sounds painful | 03:33 |
| vychune | cool | 03:35 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: cool | 03:36 |
| cyberanger | I think i did, but a sweet refresher | 03:36 |
| vychune | hey chris what u up to | 03:41 |
| cyberanger | morning everyone | 11:31 |
| wrst | morning cyberanger | 11:48 |
| * wrst darts off to work | 11:48 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: just a quick hello I see | 11:56 |
| wrst | hey cyberanger now i'm back :) | 13:19 |
| wrst | for a longer hello :P | 13:19 |
| netritious | morning | 13:37 |
| wrst | howdy netritious youd oing ok? | 13:38 |
| netritious | doing fine wrst, yourself? | 13:38 |
| wrst | doing well about to finally get melted out, how are things in the western regions? | 13:39 |
| netritious | the last of my snowman melted yesterday so not to bad :) | 13:39 |
| netritious | still cold but not as it could be | 13:39 |
| wrst | netritious: windows ? for you, got a machine with 1GB of RAM and a athlon 3800 processor will that ever reasonably run vista? | 13:40 |
| netritious | reasonably? hm...barely is more like it | 13:42 |
| netritious | 2 GB ram is minimum for vista IMHO | 13:42 |
| wrst | kinda what i thought, its a family members if i can find some ram cheap i might order them a stick | 13:43 |
| netritious | sounds like ddr2 from the cpu, which is dirt cheap right now | 13:43 |
| wrst | yeah i might just do that | 13:43 |
| wrst | http://204.116.127.107/heatsink.jpg <--- netritious from this same machine | 13:44 |
| wrst | i stuck both the fan and the heat sink in soapy water :) | 13:45 |
| netritious | never tried soapy water... | 13:45 |
| netritious | but a bottle of isopropyl alcohol + zip lock back works wonders | 13:47 |
| netritious | and safe for fans | 13:47 |
| wrst | well probably not the best but i didn't have any compressed air at that moment and the cpu was kinda melted to the heat sink so really didn't think it mattered but it sped things up nicely | 13:47 |
| wrst | but the fan may have a short life now :) | 13:47 |
| netritious | :) | 13:47 |
| wrst | but it no longer sounds like a helicopter taking off | 13:47 |
| netritious | as long as you let it dry really well it will probably be ok | 13:48 |
| netritious | lol | 13:48 |
| wrst | dry, what is that i just whiped it off and put it back in :) | 13:49 |
| netritious | lol | 13:49 |
| wrst | actually i really didn't expect the cpu to work again, it all pulled out without me releasing the release on the cpu so i thought it was all toast | 13:49 |
| wrst | i kinda feared i had messed the board up | 13:49 |
| netritious | eek | 13:49 |
| wrst | yeah 1GB under 20 bucks i will match it up with what they have and give them a gig , i already reinstalled vista for them too | 13:50 |
| wrst | as virus infested as it was i didn't even attempt to fix it | 13:50 |
| netritious | the reason I use alcohol is because it evaporates and does a decent job of breaking down most kinds of oil based substances (like cig smoke/tar residue) | 13:51 |
| netritious | it's also cheap and plentiful, and can be picked up at 2 am from Walgreens if required | 13:51 |
| netritious | I also use lighter fluid sometimes...it's great for getting the thermal paste off a cpu | 13:52 |
| wrst | yeah netritious i need to remember that, i was just a little flustered because that machine is so dirty that's not normal, evidently they never dust or have their computer in a horse barn or something | 13:54 |
| wrst | i am going to take it to my dad's shop and use his air compressor to blow it out, cut down the pressure but it would take 30 cans of air | 13:54 |
| netritious | that's a good idea | 13:55 |
| wrst | should that processor work ok on vista, to do email, and some itunes? | 13:56 |
| wrst | athlon 3800 | 13:56 |
| netritious | the cpu is more than enough...dual core 2.0 GHz I think | 13:56 |
| wrst | ok well some air, a reinstall, and about 20bucks will get them going ok | 13:57 |
| netritious | yeah should do | 13:58 |
| wrst | cool, best widnows advice you can get is in the ubuntu loco channel | 13:58 |
| wrst | netritious: i was about attempted to put ubuntu on it had it not been for their utter dependence on itunes | 13:59 |
| netritious | lol | 14:02 |
| wrst | i really hate itunes, I try to stick with amazon, e-music, or some other DRM free service | 14:03 |
| linuxman410 | wrst u here | 14:04 |
| wrst | hey linuxman410 | 14:04 |
| linuxman410 | i have my auctions up | 14:04 |
| wrst | got links? :) | 14:04 |
| linuxman410 | http://shop.ebay.com:80/strange007/m.html here is link | 14:05 |
| wrst | linuxman410: windows xp??? | 14:07 |
| linuxman410 | yeah it was a spare machine | 14:08 |
| linuxman410 | got a deal on it | 14:09 |
| wrst | ha ha ok i guess you are excused, but you may have to change your name to xpman410 :P | 14:09 |
| linuxman410 | no that cannot happen i am just selling it the only time u will ever see me with one like that for sale | 14:10 |
| linuxman410 | wrst i can sell it to mhall119 | 14:11 |
| wrst | linuxman410: those run ubuntu decently if i'm not mistaken | 14:13 |
| Svpernova09 | Anyone have any experience with routing, iptables, nat? difficulty: it's a centos box I'm trying to troubleshoot >.< | 14:13 |
| linuxman410 | wrst it had the windows xp and i figured i would see it like that since it had the restore disk | 14:15 |
| linuxman410 | wrst last one i sold with ubuntu was the atom and the guy emailed me and said it ran windows 7 great | 14:16 |
| wrst | that might help | 14:16 |
| wrst | great win 7 | 14:16 |
| wrst | :) | 14:16 |
| linuxman410 | that guy was crazy nothing great about windows | 14:17 |
| netritious | Svpernova09: what's the problem | 14:17 |
| Svpernova09 | Centos hates me. | 14:17 |
| linuxman410 | wrst the alternative install worked on my laptop | 14:17 |
| wrst | cool linuxman410 | 14:17 |
| Svpernova09 | ok, 2 network cards, 1 public communistcast IP, 1 local 192.168.1.1 network | 14:17 |
| netritious | Centos hates everyone so stop feeling sorry for yourself :P | 14:17 |
| Svpernova09 | I can ssh into the box via the public ip, no problems | 14:17 |
| Svpernova09 | I can't ping anything from there on the local network. | 14:18 |
| netritious | reset the comcast router? | 14:18 |
| Svpernova09 | Nah, I can ssh in, I don't think it's a comcast issue | 14:18 |
| netritious | you know, poull the power, count to 10, plug it back in | 14:18 |
| Svpernova09 | all of our IPs are responding to pings. | 14:18 |
| netritious | oh wait | 14:18 |
| Svpernova09 | We're using the centos box as our router, so it's grabbing all 5 of our Ips | 14:18 |
| netritious | I can't ping anything from there on the local network. | 14:18 |
| netritious | ^^ the problem? | 14:19 |
| Svpernova09 | well, it was all working, something died around 815 last night | 14:19 |
| Svpernova09 | NAT appears to be not working | 14:19 |
| netritious | pastebin these files... | 14:19 |
| netritious | oh wait n/m | 14:19 |
| netritious | it's centos | 14:19 |
| Svpernova09 | Right | 14:19 |
| netritious | but probably same files | 14:19 |
| netritious | /etc/network/interfaces | 14:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | <unrelated> hey netritious, ESXi is cool stuff </unrelated> | 14:20 |
| netritious | /etc/resolv.conf | 14:20 |
| Svpernova09 | yeah, on centos interfaces is broken up to seperate configs, 1 sec | 14:20 |
| netritious | /etc/hosts | 14:20 |
| netritious | xTEMPLARx: you got your new server? nice | 14:21 |
| xTEMPLARx | i got *A* new server | 14:21 |
| xTEMPLARx | its not quite what I wanted but its not awful | 14:21 |
| netritious | specs xTEMPLARx? | 14:21 |
| xTEMPLARx | supermicro 2U rm box with xeon quad core, 8gb ram | 14:21 |
| xTEMPLARx | i removed the 2008 server install they had on there and tossed ESXi (vsphere) on there | 14:21 |
| Svpernova09 | netritious: http://pastebin.com/cCSV6Cya | 14:21 |
| netritious | nice xTEMPLARx | 14:21 |
| xTEMPLARx | other than snapshots, are you aware of a way to copy and paste to duplicate an existing VM? | 14:22 |
| xTEMPLARx | I suppose I could copy and paste the actual files and see if it picks them up as an additional VM | 14:22 |
| netritious | that should be all you have to do | 14:22 |
| netritious | <-- Still VMware ESXi clueless...I still use VMware Server 1.0.10 on Ubuntu :P | 14:23 |
| xTEMPLARx | ESXi is a lot less painful than I thought it'd be... managing it from the vSphere client | 14:24 |
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| netritious | Svpernova09: can you ping from that machine to a public address (ping www.google.com) | 14:24 |
| Svpernova09 | Aye I can | 14:24 |
| xTEMPLARx | even doing copy/paste functions are pretty quick | 14:24 |
| netritious | Svpernova09: as root, iptables -L >pastebinit | 14:25 |
| netritious | (if you have pastebinit installed) | 14:25 |
| netritious | nice xTEMPLARx | 14:25 |
| Svpernova09 | netritious: http://pastebin.com/nJBYfDSh | 14:26 |
| netritious | I think I am done with VMware xTEMPLARx | 14:27 |
| xTEMPLARx | done with virtualization entirely, or moving to a new product | 14:28 |
| * Svpernova09 coughs OPENVZ! | 14:28 | |
| netritious | Svpernova09: output from ifconfig eth0 eth1 | 14:28 |
| Svpernova09 | http://pastebin.com/vNfMtKwW | 14:28 |
| xTEMPLARx | netritious1: done with virtualization entirely, or moving to a new product? | 14:35 |
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| netritious | xTEMPLARx: using KVM and LXC on my test server | 14:36 |
| netritious | LXC isn't where it needs to be but it's getting there, and runs OpenVZ containers too (mostly) | 14:36 |
| xTEMPLARx | so what spurred this changeover? | 14:36 |
| netritious | trying to use more open source | 14:37 |
| xTEMPLARx | kk | 14:37 |
| netritious | Svpernova09: do you have two gateways? one for WAN and one for LAN? aka multi-homed system | 14:38 |
| Svpernova09 | yeah, eth0 is the wan, eth1 is the lan | 14:38 |
| Svpernova09 | eth2 is a seperate LAN, we're not doing anything with it yet | 14:39 |
| netritious | what is eth1 connected to? | 14:39 |
| Svpernova09 | a swtich | 14:40 |
| Svpernova09 | that the rest of the network is connected to | 14:40 |
| Svpernova09 | eth0 -> comcast router | 14:40 |
| netritious | that does sound like a routing problem | 14:41 |
| Svpernova09 | It's been working fine >.< | 14:41 |
| Svpernova09 | I just don't know this stuff well enough | 14:41 |
| netritious | have you tried flushing iptables? | 14:41 |
| Svpernova09 | I've restarted everything I can think of, even the box | 14:41 |
| netritious | restarting = flushing iptables | 14:41 |
| Svpernova09 | I'm leary of doing anything with iptables cause I don't want to lock myself out of the box | 14:42 |
| wrst | cyberanger: if you come back around I have an openbox question for you | 14:42 |
| Svpernova09 | ANd I'm still waiting on the guy that set this up for us to get back to me | 14:42 |
| netritious | I can understand that completely | 14:42 |
| netritious | how long have you been waiting on this guy? | 14:43 |
| Svpernova09 | since about 815 last night | 14:43 |
| Svpernova09 | it's his box, so He's got access to remotely fix it, another reason I don't want to break iptables | 14:43 |
| netritious | are you able to ping the server from other LAN computers connected to the switch? | 14:44 |
| Svpernova09 | I'm not sure, | 14:44 |
| Svpernova09 | Dan was there last night, he plugged directly into the switch and the dhcpd isn't handing out IPs | 14:44 |
| Svpernova09 | so that's another issue | 14:44 |
| netritious | sounds like you should wait on the guy | 14:47 |
| Svpernova09 | yea >.< | 14:47 |
| Svpernova09 | Thanks for looking at it. | 14:48 |
| netritious | np | 14:48 |
| Svpernova09 | I have learned one thing though. | 14:48 |
| Svpernova09 | So not a total waste | 14:48 |
| Svpernova09 | CentOS is dirty | 14:48 |
| Svpernova09 | donotwant | 14:49 |
| netritious | lol | 14:49 |
| netritious | ubuntu server rocks | 14:49 |
| xTEMPLARx | ubuntu is a spoiler of admins | 14:49 |
| netritious | it is that indeed | 14:49 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 14:49 |
| Svpernova09 | This weekend, I was reinstalling Dan's server to put a clean version of proxmox on it, since his machine is 32bit, you have to install debian lenny then install custom proxmox deb's | 14:50 |
| netritious | so has everyone that uses Ubuntu server filled out the survey? | 14:50 |
| Svpernova09 | I learned that debian has changed A LOT in the past 5 years | 14:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | not I | 14:50 |
| Svpernova09 | Mainly, when you tell it NOT to install the desktop system, it installs it anyway -.- | 14:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | actually, I'm not currently using ubuntu server on anything so I guess its not fair to say I'm using it | 14:50 |
| Svpernova09 | What survey? | 14:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | i HAVE used it | 14:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | just not currently | 14:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | i'm actually using a base ubuntu install on the NAS RAID system I put together here in the office | 14:51 |
| netritious | you can still fill out the survey then xTEMPLARx :P | 14:51 |
| netritious | http://survey.ubuntu.com/ | 14:51 |
| netritious | Svpernova09: I installed debian on a really old Server Snap NAS but it's in the recycle bin atm...couldn't get ubuntu on it | 14:53 |
| Svpernova09 | >.< | 14:53 |
| Svpernova09 | I used to LOVE some debian, but now it feels awkward as hell | 14:53 |
| netritious | it's weird for me using Debian..it's more like pre-Ubuntu 8.04 which prior to 8.04 the only experience I had was telling people to install it if they had bootleg windows | 14:55 |
| netritious | or couldn't afford a license | 14:55 |
| netritious | but no real experience with Debian other than testing | 14:55 |
| netritious | I'm not knocking it, just I like Ubuntu | 14:56 |
| Svpernova09 | When i finally gave up on redhat I went to slackware, then to debian | 14:56 |
| Svpernova09 | some of these questions are amusing | 14:57 |
| Svpernova09 | "Which do you think your organisation would be most likely to require paid professional support" No to all, cause my organization pays me to fix these problems, if I can't I turn to google / community | 14:58 |
| netritious | ^^ it gets to that Svpernova09 | 14:58 |
| Svpernova09 | I guess canonical is trying to tailor their support a bit more maybe | 14:58 |
| netritious | all they would really need to do is ask politely "what will you pay for?" lol Just come out with it Canonical! :D | 15:00 |
| xTEMPLARx | wouldn't that be paid prof support? you? | 15:00 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 15:00 |
| Svpernova09 | xTEMPLARx: very true | 15:00 |
| xTEMPLARx | i found a typo in the survey... who do i report it to? | 15:02 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 15:02 |
| xTEMPLARx | Premium Serivce Engineer | 15:02 |
| netritious | whoops! :) | 15:02 |
| xTEMPLARx | Virualised server environment | 15:03 |
| xTEMPLARx | another | 15:03 |
| xTEMPLARx | Here's possibly another: "If you manage a large (<20 nodes) " | 15:03 |
| xTEMPLARx | wouldn't that be >20? | 15:04 |
| * netritious promotes xTEMPLARx to unofficial status of locotn grammar police chief | 15:06 | |
| xTEMPLARx | <--- proof reader | 15:07 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 15:07 |
| netritious | :D | 15:07 |
| netritious | I noticed a few, but I tend to overlook typos unless it's my stuff and even then I miss a few | 15:08 |
| xTEMPLARx | its harder to notice your own errors | 15:08 |
| netritious | agreed | 15:08 |
| xTEMPLARx | playing around with VM snapshots | 15:18 |
| xTEMPLARx | I assume VMWare server had that as well | 15:18 |
| netritious | xTEMPLARx: yes | 15:25 |
| netritious | be careful with snapshots | 15:25 |
| xTEMPLARx | do tell | 15:25 |
| netritious | it's an alluring feature that can create downtime if you're not careful | 15:26 |
| netritious | if you create a snapshot of a running guest and forget to delete it after you back it up, it will slow your vm down | 15:27 |
| netritious | not at first but eventually | 15:27 |
| xTEMPLARx | so | 15:27 |
| xTEMPLARx | should I take the snapshot, then shut the VM down, and copy the snapshot away somewhere? | 15:28 |
| netritious | a friend of mine just this past Friday spent 6-7 hours waiting on a snapshot to delete in order to bring his broken VM back up | 15:28 |
| netritious | shut the vm down, copy files to another directory and/or move to a network share | 15:28 |
| netritious | start the VM back up | 15:29 |
| xTEMPLARx | this particular one is just over a gig in size | 15:29 |
| netritious | that's why I am moving to KVM and LXC | 15:29 |
| xTEMPLARx | open source? | 15:30 |
| xTEMPLARx | :P | 15:30 |
| netritious | VMware ESXi *is the bomb* but features you find yourself needing down the road cost quite a bit | 15:30 |
| netritious | and VMware Server is just as bad really | 15:30 |
| netritious | choosing KVM and LXC allows me to use LVM snapshots vs snapshots using the host software | 15:31 |
| xTEMPLARx | explain | 15:32 |
| netritious | you can do LVM snapshots on VMware Server instances too, but it's not supported and I've had mixed results with it | 15:32 |
| netritious | LVM = Logical Volume Manger | 15:32 |
| netritious | LVM is a supported partition type in Ubuntu and other linux distros | 15:33 |
| netritious | If you install LVM (really LVM2) then you can dynamically create, delete, resize, and take snapshots of your system partitions while the system is hot | 15:34 |
| netritious | the nearest relative on Windows is Volume Shadow Copy | 15:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | never messed with either | 15:35 |
| netritious | I'm not 100% it works the same, but it's close | 15:35 |
| netritious | the cool thing with KVM is that you can create an LVM partition and mount it directly | 15:36 |
| netritious | well LVM Logical Volume | 15:36 |
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| xTEMPLARx | the way this appears... I should be able to shut down a VM, then copy its entire folder as a backup | 15:37 |
| netritious | Physical Volume (PV) -> Volume Group (VG) -> Logical Volume (LG) -> File System | 15:37 |
| xTEMPLARx | and if something happens, I can just copy it back into place and remove the errant copy | 15:38 |
| netritious | yeah | 15:38 |
| netritious | although I've never tried with ESXi so don't know what's involved | 15:38 |
| xTEMPLARx | that might actually be less painful than monkeying with snapshots | 15:38 |
| netritious | yep | 15:38 |
| xTEMPLARx | i've already done it once in trying to duplicate my first VM | 15:38 |
| xTEMPLARx | so | 15:38 |
| xTEMPLARx | if I capture a snapshot | 15:38 |
| xTEMPLARx | am I now running on that snapshot? | 15:39 |
| xTEMPLARx | or is it just a save point that I can revert to | 15:39 |
| netritious | the latter | 15:39 |
| xTEMPLARx | so | 15:39 |
| xTEMPLARx | the longer and more data is in a system being used, the larger its snapshots will be | 15:39 |
| netritious | nail on the head | 15:40 |
| xTEMPLARx | so for example... i'm at one gig right now for a base install of xp pro | 15:40 |
| netritious | 1 GB? are you sure? | 15:40 |
| xTEMPLARx | once I get sql server and IIS, .NET frameworks, etc etc... and THEN our actual work files... | 15:40 |
| xTEMPLARx | my snapshots are gonna be huuuge | 15:40 |
| netritious | yep | 15:40 |
| xTEMPLARx | 1,053,865.00 KB | 15:40 |
| netritious | snapshots are meant to be temporary | 15:41 |
| xTEMPLARx | okay so then a snapshot is meant to be a "lemme try this thing real quick" and if it fails or whatnot, then revert and no harm, no foul | 15:41 |
| xTEMPLARx | but don't use the VM for 6 months and expect to use the snapshot to reset the VM back to blank? | 15:42 |
| netritious | exactly | 15:42 |
| xTEMPLARx | Guess I need to do a bit more digging on the purpose of the snapshot then. I had assumed it was a nice way of marking a point in time as a fallback. Something a bit more permanent than just a bookmark for, say, a day's work to be undone | 15:43 |
| netritious | the way people try to use snapshots, even myself at first, is to create one *while the guest is running*, pause the VM, and copy the snapshot, delete the snapshot, all done...but this presumes you have a recent copy of the VM vmdk disk files too | 15:44 |
| netritious | no, you have it right | 15:44 |
| netritious | use snapshots as a bookmark in time | 15:44 |
| netritious | when you're satisfied with your testing, delete the snapshot | 15:44 |
| netritious | I always create snapshots prior to system updates for instance | 15:45 |
| netritious | when everything looks good I delete the snapshot | 15:45 |
| xTEMPLARx | what?! you don't trust microsoft's system restore?! | 15:45 |
| netritious | uh No, lol | 15:46 |
| netritious | but only because nasty virii and malware can get stuck in them making it impossible to remove | 15:46 |
| netritious | *them=the restore points | 15:47 |
| xTEMPLARx | weird this one VM has 3 copies of the HD file | 15:47 |
| xTEMPLARx | the original vmdk file, and two marked 00001 and 00002 | 15:47 |
| netritious | did you split the drive into 2GB increments? or is that an option with ESXi? | 15:47 |
| xTEMPLARx | no they're all the same size at 83gb | 15:47 |
| netritious | the ones marked 00001 and 00002 are probably snapshot files | 15:48 |
| xTEMPLARx | prolly so | 15:50 |
| xTEMPLARx | this describes the snapshot problem in great detail http://www.networkcomputing.com/virtualization/recovering-from-corrupted-snapshots-on-vi4.php | 15:56 |
| xTEMPLARx | there... i just shut them both down, made backups and restarted them | 15:58 |
| xTEMPLARx | took several minutes to sort it out, but still much faster than having to clone a machine | 15:58 |
| wrst | hello 17SAARRBP | 18:01 |
| === 17SAARRBP is now known as Genphlux | ||
| wrst | ahh Genphlux thats you :) | 18:12 |
| cyberanger | netritious: how big is your mirror? | 18:36 |
| netritious | cyberanger: with hardy and lucid, including partner repos, right at 100 GB | 18:37 |
| netritious | chris4585: I ran across your forum post about bootable USB...have you ever tried installing grub4dos from linux to usb? | 18:39 |
| chris4585 | netritious, hey | 18:40 |
| chris4585 | I've never played around with grub4dos before | 18:40 |
| cyberanger | I excluded partner repos and it appears to be fetching 115 | 18:41 |
| cyberanger | (was gonna just be lucid, but had to add hardy for chattacon too) | 18:41 |
| netritious | cyberanger: I can only get partner working by setting up a separate repo | 18:41 |
| netritious | I use three scripts to build my mirror cyberanger | 18:43 |
| netritious | mirror-main.sh - runs demirror with auto cleanup weekly on us.archive.ubuntu.com | 18:43 |
| cyberanger | same for security (which i didn't count) | 18:43 |
| netritious | mirror-security.sh - runs demirror with no cleanup daily on security.ubuntu.com | 18:44 |
| netritious | those two ^^ create my main mirror | 18:44 |
| netritious | create and maintain rather | 18:44 |
| netritious | keep it updated | 18:44 |
| cyberanger | and mirror-main is 100G or all mirroring (main alone is 15G larger) | 18:45 |
| netritious | mirror-partner.sh - runs demirror with auto cleanup weekly on partner.canonical.com | 18:45 |
| cyberanger | you don't fetch source, do you? | 18:46 |
| netritious | the "main" part just means "the main script" not "main repo" | 18:46 |
| netritious | no just deb's | 18:46 |
| netritious | I rarely build from source, and when I do it's usually from a git repo | 18:47 |
| cyberanger | yeah us.archive.ubuntu.com (maybe I added source, which was the long run plan, and explain the additional size) | 18:48 |
| netritious | adding src increases the mirror exponentially and IMHO is a waste of time, bandwidth, and space to mirror | 18:49 |
| netritious | *increases the mirror size | 18:49 |
| netritious | in most cases anyway | 18:49 |
| netritious | unless you want to be official mirror :) | 18:49 |
| cyberanger | yeah, which is the long run plan | 18:51 |
| cyberanger | but not right now, time constraint | 18:51 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, I think its ironic that just about everything I install comes from ppas | 18:55 |
| netritious | chris4585: I have been using ppas more too keeping my hardy servers up to date with some packages (clamav for one) | 18:56 |
| cyberanger | netritious: that had to be it, just added --nosource into the mix | 18:59 |
| cyberanger | and the size it wants to fetch dropped considerably | 18:59 |
| netritious | du -sh /mirror/ = 97G - du -sh /partner/ = 3.0G...just updated | 19:00 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: what are you using from ppas | 19:00 |
| cyberanger | yeah, my equilavant to /mirror/ was gonna be an extra 17G then | 19:01 |
| cyberanger | what's security's size | 19:01 |
| netritious | security is in /main/ too so no way to tell atm | 19:03 |
| netritious | no easy way that I know of anyway | 19:03 |
| cyberanger | ah, I split the two | 19:03 |
| cyberanger | /mirror/archive and /mirror/security | 19:03 |
| chris4585 | unity-qt, foobnix, libreoffice, awn testing, synapse, gmusicbrowser, ubuntu-tweak, webup8 ppa has a lot of goodies, zeitgeist, equinox, nautilus-elementary, orta, virtualbox and opera | 19:03 |
| cyberanger | actually, /mirror/ubuntu/archive and /mirror/ubuntu/cdarchive and /mirror/ubuntu/security, thinking further | 19:04 |
| cyberanger | since security comes from a different repo and official mirrors wouldn't have it, thought It'd be good to keep seperate | 19:05 |
| netritious | really it's an experiment on my part...i can't find anything official on why the two are separated, but I haven't looked to hard either, but security.ubuntu.com repos do seem to get updated more quickly and more often | 19:05 |
| Svpernova09 | netritious: turns out our network issue was a bad ethernet cable -.- | 19:05 |
| cyberanger | Svpernova09: don't you just hate that | 19:06 |
| Svpernova09 | Yeah, was rather annoying | 19:06 |
| netritious | I truly was going to suggest to try that first | 19:06 |
| netritious | that and the switch next | 19:06 |
| xTEMPLARx | Svpernova09: that stinks! | 19:06 |
| chris4585 | I hate it when a whole port on a router just doesn't work | 19:06 |
| netritious | two easiest things to try | 19:06 |
| netritious | at least it's an easy fix | 19:07 |
| cyberanger | netritious: same here, nothing offical, or any signs of a technical reason, my guess is a mitm fear, which makes zero sense | 19:07 |
| cyberanger | due to apt-secure's setup | 19:08 |
| Svpernova09 | netritious: we also have open wifi @ space for the meeting :_D | 19:08 |
| netritious | nice Svpernova09 | 19:08 |
| netritious | that will come in handy :D | 19:08 |
| netritious | will get my torrents setup now | 19:09 |
| Svpernova09 | lol | 19:09 |
| cyberanger | but that and response time, quicker to get security pushed out, and little load if nearly everything tries the main repo first, read down the line and all | 19:09 |
| cyberanger | archive.ubuntu.com (or a mirror of it) then partner, then security | 19:10 |
| cyberanger | and that assumes it reads down the line (which I suspect, but never tried to find out) | 19:10 |
| cyberanger | and your not needing to be an official mirror and already keep servers and mirror's maintained, so I think your fine | 19:11 |
| netritious | chris4585: I asked about grub4dos and bootable USB since from Windoze I used this app called MultiBootISOs from pendrivelinux.com.. | 19:13 |
| netritious | after customizing a bit produced an awesome 8GB multiboot drive for me | 19:13 |
| cyberanger | netritious: and you didn't leave alot out of that | 19:13 |
| cyberanger | just backtrack 3 | 19:13 |
| cyberanger | which has more bluetooth hacking tools | 19:13 |
| chris4585 | I don't really have a purpose anymore for multibooting usb, but thanks for the info | 19:14 |
| netritious | I'm all patting myself on the back about it, but really all I did was change the boot splash, modify the menu.st for grub4dos, and add server/alternate installs to the foray | 19:14 |
| xTEMPLARx | and all that just to put ur favorite dukes of hazzard wallpaper on the boot splash? | 19:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | nice | 19:15 |
| netritious | haha exactly xTEMPLARx | 19:15 |
| netritious | well, not exactly, I wanted all 10.04 LTS on one drive | 19:15 |
| netritious | and a few utilities I use fairly often | 19:16 |
| netritious | the MultiBottISOs only supports Maverick mostly and no support for multibooting server and alternate installers | 19:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | makes sense to me :D | 19:17 |
| netritious | http://tinyurl.com/4etdbh8 screenshot | 19:18 |
| netritious | chris4585: that's cool...the point I was trying to get at is that I would like to do it from scratch via Ubuntu Live CD, but my testing so far has produced some unexpected, not very reliable results | 19:19 |
| netritious | http://tinyurl.com/4m3buh9 how I did it and how you can do it to (if you have windows) lol | 19:20 |
| * netritious is ashamed he had to use Windows to create a Linux USB Multiboot Device :P | 19:21 | |
| * cyberanger didn't say anything, did find it funny | 19:25 | |
| cyberanger | netritious: could you hack billix into doing what you want | 19:40 |
| cyberanger | I think you could | 19:40 |
| netritious | idk never heard of it cyberanger | 19:40 |
| cyberanger | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/announcing-billix-027-and-superbillix-027 | 19:42 |
| cyberanger | http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/billix-sysadmins-swiss-army-knife?page=0,2 | 19:42 |
| cyberanger | http://sourceforge.net/projects/billix/ | 19:42 |
| cyberanger | netritious: cool tool | 19:56 |
| netritious | cyberanger: billix or...? | 20:00 |
| netritious | billix seems cool | 20:00 |
| netritious | superbillix too | 20:00 |
| cyberanger | well, both | 20:00 |
| cyberanger | minute difference | 20:00 |
| cyberanger | well, for your reason | 20:01 |
| cyberanger | ubuntu live disc is in superbillix | 20:01 |
| cyberanger | billix just has dsl | 20:01 |
| pace_t_zulu | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568 | 21:00 |
| pace_t_zulu | ^ Qt apps on Ubuntu | 21:00 |
| chris4585 | pace_t_zulu, I think mark has honestly gone crazy, but thats just my opinion | 21:08 |
| pace_t_zulu | chris4585: i think he might just like the idea of LGPL | 21:08 |
| cyberanger | it could be both | 21:10 |
| cyberanger | I'm a fan of a sweet Qt app, vlc | 21:11 |
| cyberanger | but personally I'd strip it out | 21:11 |
| cyberanger | as I don't use it (I use the ncurses interface | 21:11 |
| cyberanger | and idk, lgpl or gpl, ubuntu or debian | 21:12 |
| cyberanger | and it's kinda funny, if licenses like the lgpl are worth the effort, why not apply them to gobuntu | 21:12 |
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