[00:03] <cyberanger> the point of a cap is those that are above normal threshold
[00:03] <cyberanger> but the question if it's doable by just anyone
[00:03] <cyberanger> yes
[00:06] <chibihogoshino> yeah i was just wondering how long it would take at full speed
[00:12] <cyberanger> your full speed
[00:12] <cyberanger> or your plans
[00:12] <cyberanger> 8 hours, 27G
[00:13] <cyberanger> qne my plan is 3mb/s
[03:05] <vychune> hello
[03:11] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[03:16] <vychune> hello again cyberanger
[03:17] <vychune> sorry i was watching WWE RAW
[03:17] <cyberanger> hey chris4585
[03:18] <cyberanger> you know you quit in the download period last night
[03:18] <cyberanger> vychune: quite alright
[03:18] <vychune> download period?
[03:18] <cyberanger> satellite internet
[03:18] <vychune> and thanks
[03:18] <vychune> cool
[03:18] <cyberanger> capped, but a period in the night goes unmeterted
[03:19] <vychune> ok
[03:23] <vychune> so what are you guys upto?
[03:23] <cyberanger> downloading the ubuntu repository
[03:24] <cyberanger> peice by peice
[03:24] <vychune> THE WHOLE THING?
[03:24] <vychune> D**M
[03:24] <cyberanger> in the end it'll be the whole thing
[03:24] <vychune> HOLY SHITTE
[03:25] <cyberanger> atm just hardy and lucid, next I'm gonna add natty
[03:25] <vychune> atm?
[03:26] <vychune> and have you tried unity 2D
[03:26] <cyberanger> and between working withing isp constraints, and end of life for some versions, I'll get it all on my servers
[03:26] <cyberanger> atm, at the moment
[03:27] <vychune> wow
[03:27] <cyberanger> working somewhat slowly, lest I piss off my isp
[03:27] <cyberanger> 90G a month tops
[03:27] <vychune> lol
[03:27] <chris4585> cyberanger, hrm yeah? I quit so I wouldn't be disconnecting and reconnecting all night
[03:28] <cyberanger> or get a higher bandwidth cap if it's unobtainable goal
[03:28] <cyberanger> not tried unity yet
[03:28] <vychune> oh ok
[03:29] <cyberanger> chris4585: it doesn't take alot of bandwidth to maintain a mirror
[03:29] <vychune> whats atm mean?
[03:29] <cyberanger> just setting it up
[03:29] <cyberanger> atm, at the moment
[03:29] <vychune> oh ok
[03:29] <vychune> *slaps himself*
[03:30] <vychune> lol
[03:31] <cyberanger> chris4585: if I knewwhat packages work and chattacon need, I'd be even more selective
[03:31] <cyberanger> idk if that'd help you, but I bet it could
[03:32] <chris4585> I'm slightly confused, but I'm fine cyberanger
[03:32] <chris4585> cyberanger, I think I showed you this already http://chris4585.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/hughesnet-i-hate-you-but-then-i-love-you/
[03:32] <cyberanger> talking about a bandwidth conservation idea for you
[03:33] <cyberanger> a private mirror, real selective in what it has
[03:33] <chris4585> its alright cyberanger, I do fine by not doing anything lol
[03:33] <cyberanger> that sounds painful
[03:35] <vychune> cool
[03:36] <cyberanger> chris4585: cool
[03:36] <cyberanger> I think i did, but a sweet refresher
[03:41] <vychune> hey chris what u up to
[11:31] <cyberanger> morning everyone
[11:48] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[11:48]  * wrst darts off to work
[11:56] <cyberanger> wrst: just a quick hello I see
[13:19] <wrst> hey cyberanger now i'm back :)
[13:19] <wrst> for a longer hello :P
[13:37] <netritious> morning
[13:38] <wrst> howdy netritious youd oing ok?
[13:38] <netritious> doing fine wrst, yourself?
[13:39] <wrst> doing well about to finally get melted out, how are things in the western regions?
[13:39] <netritious> the last of my snowman melted yesterday so not to bad :)
[13:39] <netritious> still cold but not as it could be
[13:40] <wrst> netritious: windows ? for you, got a machine with 1GB of RAM and a athlon 3800 processor will that ever reasonably run vista?
[13:42] <netritious> reasonably? hm...barely is more like it
[13:42] <netritious> 2 GB ram is minimum for vista IMHO
[13:43] <wrst> kinda what i thought, its a family members if i can find some ram cheap i might order them a stick
[13:43] <netritious> sounds like ddr2 from the cpu, which is dirt cheap right now
[13:43] <wrst> yeah i might just do that
[13:44] <wrst> http://204.116.127.107/heatsink.jpg  <--- netritious from this same machine
[13:45] <wrst> i stuck both the fan and the heat sink in soapy water :)
[13:45] <netritious> never tried soapy water...
[13:47] <netritious> but a bottle of isopropyl alcohol + zip lock back works wonders
[13:47] <netritious> and safe for fans
[13:47] <wrst> well probably not the best but i didn't have any compressed air at that moment and the cpu was kinda melted to the heat sink so really didn't think it mattered but it sped things up nicely
[13:47] <wrst> but the fan may have a short life now :)
[13:47] <netritious> :)
[13:47] <wrst> but it no longer sounds like a helicopter taking off
[13:48] <netritious> as long as you let it dry really well it will probably be ok
[13:48] <netritious> lol
[13:49] <wrst> dry, what is that i just whiped it off and put it back in :)
[13:49] <netritious> lol
[13:49] <wrst> actually i really didn't expect the cpu to work again, it all pulled out without me releasing the release on the cpu so i thought it was all toast
[13:49] <wrst> i kinda feared i had messed the board up
[13:49] <netritious> eek
[13:50] <wrst> yeah 1GB under 20 bucks i will match it up with what they have and give them a gig , i already reinstalled vista for them too
[13:50] <wrst> as virus infested as it was i didn't even attempt to fix it
[13:51] <netritious> the reason I use alcohol is because it evaporates and does a decent job of breaking down most kinds of oil based substances (like cig smoke/tar residue)
[13:51] <netritious> it's also cheap and plentiful, and can be picked up at 2 am from Walgreens if required
[13:52] <netritious> I also use lighter fluid sometimes...it's great for getting the thermal paste off a cpu
[13:54] <wrst> yeah netritious i need to remember that, i was just a little flustered because that machine is so dirty that's not normal, evidently they never dust or have their computer in a horse barn or something
[13:54] <wrst> i am going to take it to my dad's shop and use his air compressor to blow it out, cut down the pressure but it would take 30 cans of air
[13:55] <netritious> that's a good idea
[13:56] <wrst> should that processor work ok on vista, to do email, and some itunes?
[13:56] <wrst> athlon 3800
[13:56] <netritious> the cpu is more than enough...dual core 2.0 GHz I think
[13:57] <wrst> ok well some air, a reinstall, and about 20bucks will get them going ok
[13:58] <netritious> yeah should do
[13:58] <wrst> cool, best widnows advice you can get is in the ubuntu loco channel
[13:59] <wrst> netritious: i was about attempted to put ubuntu on it had it not been for their utter dependence on itunes
[14:02] <netritious> lol
[14:03] <wrst> i really hate itunes, I try to stick with amazon, e-music, or some other DRM free service
[14:04] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[14:04] <wrst> hey linuxman410
[14:04] <linuxman410> i have my auctions up
[14:04] <wrst> got links? :)
[14:05] <linuxman410> http://shop.ebay.com:80/strange007/m.html   here is link
[14:07] <wrst> linuxman410: windows xp???
[14:08] <linuxman410> yeah it was a spare machine
[14:09] <linuxman410> got a deal on it
[14:09] <wrst> ha ha ok i guess you are excused, but you may have to change your name to xpman410 :P
[14:10] <linuxman410> no that cannot happen i am just selling it the only time u will ever see me with one like that for sale
[14:11] <linuxman410> wrst i can sell it to mhall119
[14:13] <wrst> linuxman410: those run ubuntu decently if i'm not mistaken
[14:13] <Svpernova09> Anyone have any experience with routing, iptables, nat? difficulty: it's a centos box I'm trying to troubleshoot >.<
[14:15] <linuxman410> wrst it had the windows xp and i figured i would see it like that since it had the restore disk
[14:16] <linuxman410> wrst last one i sold with ubuntu was the atom and the guy emailed me and said it ran windows 7 great
[14:16] <wrst> that might help
[14:16] <wrst> great win 7
[14:16] <wrst> :)
[14:17] <linuxman410> that guy was crazy nothing great about windows
[14:17] <netritious> Svpernova09: what's the problem
[14:17] <Svpernova09> Centos hates me.
[14:17] <linuxman410> wrst the alternative install worked on my laptop
[14:17] <wrst> cool linuxman410
[14:17] <Svpernova09> ok, 2 network cards, 1 public communistcast IP, 1 local 192.168.1.1 network
[14:17] <netritious> Centos hates everyone so stop feeling sorry for yourself :P
[14:17] <Svpernova09> I can ssh into the box via the public ip, no problems
[14:18] <Svpernova09> I can't ping anything from there on the local network.
[14:18] <netritious> reset the comcast router?
[14:18] <Svpernova09> Nah, I can ssh in, I don't think it's a comcast issue
[14:18] <netritious> you know, poull the power, count to 10, plug it back in
[14:18] <Svpernova09> all of our IPs are responding to pings.
[14:18] <netritious> oh wait
[14:18] <Svpernova09> We're using the centos box as our router, so it's grabbing all 5 of our Ips
[14:18] <netritious> I can't ping anything from there on the local network.
[14:19] <netritious> ^^ the problem?
[14:19] <Svpernova09> well, it was all working, something died around 815 last night
[14:19] <Svpernova09> NAT appears to be not working
[14:19] <netritious> pastebin these files...
[14:19] <netritious> oh wait n/m
[14:19] <netritious> it's centos
[14:19] <Svpernova09> Right
[14:19] <netritious> but probably same files
[14:20] <netritious> /etc/network/interfaces
 hey netritious, ESXi is cool stuff </unrelated>
[14:20] <netritious> /etc/resolv.conf
[14:20] <Svpernova09> yeah, on centos interfaces is broken up to seperate configs, 1 sec
[14:20] <netritious> /etc/hosts
[14:21] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: you got your new server? nice
[14:21] <xTEMPLARx> i got *A* new server
[14:21] <xTEMPLARx> its not quite what I wanted but its not awful
[14:21] <netritious> specs xTEMPLARx?
[14:21] <xTEMPLARx> supermicro 2U rm box with xeon quad core, 8gb ram
[14:21] <xTEMPLARx> i removed the 2008 server install they had on there and tossed ESXi (vsphere) on there
[14:21] <Svpernova09> netritious: http://pastebin.com/cCSV6Cya
[14:21] <netritious> nice xTEMPLARx
[14:22] <xTEMPLARx> other than snapshots, are you aware of a way to copy and paste to duplicate an existing VM?
[14:22] <xTEMPLARx> I suppose I could copy and paste the actual files and see if it picks them up as an additional VM
[14:22] <netritious> that should be all you have to do
[14:23] <netritious> <-- Still VMware ESXi clueless...I still use VMware Server 1.0.10 on Ubuntu :P
[14:24] <xTEMPLARx> ESXi is a lot less painful than I thought it'd be... managing it from the vSphere client
[14:24] <netritious> Svpernova09: can you ping from that machine to a public address (ping www.google.com)
[14:24] <Svpernova09> Aye I can
[14:24] <xTEMPLARx> even doing copy/paste functions are pretty quick
[14:25] <netritious> Svpernova09: as root, iptables -L >pastebinit
[14:25] <netritious> (if you have pastebinit installed)
[14:25] <netritious> nice xTEMPLARx
[14:26] <Svpernova09> netritious: http://pastebin.com/nJBYfDSh
[14:27] <netritious> I think I am done with VMware xTEMPLARx
[14:28] <xTEMPLARx> done with virtualization entirely, or moving to a new product
[14:28]  * Svpernova09 coughs OPENVZ!
[14:28] <netritious> Svpernova09: output from ifconfig eth0 eth1
[14:28] <Svpernova09> http://pastebin.com/vNfMtKwW
[14:35] <xTEMPLARx> netritious1: done with virtualization entirely, or moving to a new product?
[14:36] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: using KVM and LXC on my test server
[14:36] <netritious> LXC isn't where it needs to be but it's getting there, and runs OpenVZ containers too (mostly)
[14:36] <xTEMPLARx> so what spurred this changeover?
[14:37] <netritious> trying to use more open source
[14:37] <xTEMPLARx> kk
[14:38] <netritious> Svpernova09: do you have two gateways? one for WAN and one for LAN? aka multi-homed system
[14:38] <Svpernova09> yeah, eth0 is the wan, eth1 is the lan
[14:39] <Svpernova09> eth2 is a seperate LAN, we're not doing anything with it yet
[14:39] <netritious> what is eth1 connected to?
[14:40] <Svpernova09> a swtich
[14:40] <Svpernova09> that the rest of the network is connected to
[14:40] <Svpernova09> eth0 -> comcast router
[14:41] <netritious> that does sound like a routing problem
[14:41] <Svpernova09> It's been working fine >.<
[14:41] <Svpernova09> I just don't know this stuff well enough
[14:41] <netritious> have you tried flushing iptables?
[14:41] <Svpernova09> I've restarted everything I can think of, even the box
[14:41] <netritious> restarting = flushing iptables
[14:42] <Svpernova09> I'm leary of doing anything with iptables cause I don't want to lock myself out of the box
[14:42] <wrst> cyberanger: if you come back around I have an openbox question for you
[14:42] <Svpernova09> ANd I'm still waiting on the guy that set this up for us to get back to me
[14:42] <netritious> I can understand that completely
[14:43] <netritious> how long have you been waiting on this guy?
[14:43] <Svpernova09> since about 815 last night
[14:43] <Svpernova09> it's his box, so He's got access to remotely fix it, another reason I don't want to break iptables
[14:44] <netritious> are you able to ping the server from other LAN computers connected to the switch?
[14:44] <Svpernova09> I'm not sure,
[14:44] <Svpernova09> Dan was there last night, he plugged directly into the switch and the dhcpd isn't handing out IPs
[14:44] <Svpernova09> so that's another issue
[14:47] <netritious> sounds like you should wait on the guy
[14:47] <Svpernova09> yea >.<
[14:48] <Svpernova09> Thanks for looking at it.
[14:48] <netritious> np
[14:48] <Svpernova09> I have learned one thing though.
[14:48] <Svpernova09> So not a total waste
[14:48] <Svpernova09> CentOS is dirty
[14:49] <Svpernova09> donotwant
[14:49] <netritious> lol
[14:49] <netritious> ubuntu server rocks
[14:49] <xTEMPLARx> ubuntu is a spoiler of admins
[14:49] <netritious> it is that indeed
[14:49] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:50] <Svpernova09> This weekend, I was reinstalling Dan's server to put a clean version of proxmox on it, since his machine is 32bit, you have to install debian lenny then install custom proxmox deb's
[14:50] <netritious> so has everyone that uses Ubuntu server filled out the survey?
[14:50] <Svpernova09> I learned that debian has changed A LOT in the past 5 years
[14:50] <xTEMPLARx> not I
[14:50] <Svpernova09> Mainly, when you tell it NOT to install the desktop system, it installs it anyway -.-
[14:50] <xTEMPLARx> actually, I'm not currently using ubuntu server on anything so I guess its not fair to say I'm using it
[14:50] <Svpernova09> What survey?
[14:50] <xTEMPLARx> i HAVE used it
[14:50] <xTEMPLARx> just not currently
[14:51] <xTEMPLARx> i'm actually using a base ubuntu install on the NAS RAID system I put together here in the office
[14:51] <netritious> you can still fill out the survey then xTEMPLARx :P
[14:51] <netritious> http://survey.ubuntu.com/
[14:53] <netritious> Svpernova09: I installed debian on a really old Server Snap NAS but it's in the recycle bin atm...couldn't get ubuntu on it
[14:53] <Svpernova09> >.<
[14:53] <Svpernova09> I used to LOVE some debian, but now it feels awkward as hell
[14:55] <netritious> it's weird for me using Debian..it's more like pre-Ubuntu 8.04 which prior to 8.04 the only experience I had was telling people to install it if they had bootleg windows
[14:55] <netritious> or couldn't afford a license
[14:55] <netritious> but no real experience with Debian other than testing
[14:56] <netritious> I'm not knocking it, just I like Ubuntu
[14:56] <Svpernova09> When i finally gave up on redhat I went to slackware, then to debian
[14:57] <Svpernova09> some of these questions are amusing
[14:58] <Svpernova09> "Which do you think your organisation would be most likely to require paid professional support" No to all, cause my organization pays me to fix these problems, if I can't I turn to google / community
[14:58] <netritious> ^^ it gets to that Svpernova09
[14:58] <Svpernova09> I guess canonical is trying to tailor their support a bit more maybe
[15:00] <netritious> all they would really need to do is ask politely  "what will you pay for?" lol Just come out with it Canonical! :D
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> wouldn't that be paid prof support?  you?
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:00] <Svpernova09> xTEMPLARx: very true
[15:02] <xTEMPLARx> i found a typo in the survey... who do i report it to?
[15:02] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:02] <xTEMPLARx> Premium Serivce Engineer
[15:02] <netritious> whoops! :)
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> Virualised server environment
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> another
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> Here's possibly another:  "If you manage a large (<20 nodes) "
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> wouldn't that be >20?
[15:06]  * netritious promotes xTEMPLARx to unofficial status of locotn grammar police chief
[15:07] <xTEMPLARx> <--- proof reader
[15:07] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:07] <netritious> :D
[15:08] <netritious> I noticed a few, but I tend to overlook typos unless it's my stuff and even then I miss a few
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> its harder to notice your own errors
[15:08] <netritious> agreed
[15:18] <xTEMPLARx> playing around with VM snapshots
[15:18] <xTEMPLARx> I assume VMWare server had that as well
[15:25] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: yes
[15:25] <netritious> be careful with snapshots
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> do tell
[15:26] <netritious> it's an alluring feature that can create downtime if you're not careful
[15:27] <netritious> if you create a snapshot of a running guest and forget to delete it after you back it up, it will slow your vm down
[15:27] <netritious> not at first but eventually
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> so
[15:28] <xTEMPLARx> should I take the snapshot, then shut the VM down, and copy the snapshot away somewhere?
[15:28] <netritious> a friend of mine just this past Friday spent 6-7 hours waiting on a snapshot to delete in order to bring his broken VM back up
[15:28] <netritious> shut the vm down, copy files to another directory and/or move to a network share
[15:29] <netritious> start the VM back up
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> this particular one is just over a gig in size
[15:29] <netritious> that's why I am moving to KVM and LXC
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> open source?
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[15:30] <netritious> VMware ESXi *is the bomb* but features you find yourself needing down the road cost quite a bit
[15:30] <netritious> and VMware Server is just as bad really
[15:31] <netritious> choosing KVM and LXC allows me to use LVM snapshots vs snapshots using the host software
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> explain
[15:32] <netritious> you can do LVM snapshots on VMware Server instances too, but it's not supported and I've had mixed results with it
[15:32] <netritious> LVM = Logical Volume Manger
[15:33] <netritious> LVM is a supported partition type in Ubuntu and other linux distros
[15:34] <netritious> If you install LVM (really LVM2) then you can dynamically create, delete, resize, and take snapshots of your system partitions while the system is hot
[15:35] <netritious> the nearest relative on Windows is Volume Shadow Copy
[15:35] <xTEMPLARx> never messed with either
[15:35] <netritious> I'm not 100% it works the same, but it's close
[15:36] <netritious> the cool thing with KVM is that you can create an LVM partition and mount it directly
[15:36] <netritious> well LVM Logical Volume
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> the way this appears... I should be able to shut down a VM, then copy its entire folder as a backup
[15:37] <netritious> Physical Volume (PV) -> Volume Group (VG) -> Logical Volume (LG) -> File System
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> and if something happens, I can just copy it back into place and remove the errant copy
[15:38] <netritious> yeah
[15:38] <netritious> although I've never tried with ESXi so don't know what's involved
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> that might actually be less painful than monkeying with snapshots
[15:38] <netritious> yep
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> i've already done it once in trying to duplicate my first VM
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> so
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> if I capture a snapshot
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> am I now running on that snapshot?
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> or is it just a save point that I can revert to
[15:39] <netritious> the latter
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> so
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> the longer and more data is in a system being used, the larger its snapshots will be
[15:40] <netritious> nail on the head
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> so for example... i'm at one gig right now for a base install of xp pro
[15:40] <netritious> 1 GB? are you sure?
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> once I get sql server and IIS, .NET frameworks, etc etc... and THEN our actual work files...
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> my snapshots are gonna be huuuge
[15:40] <netritious> yep
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> 1,053,865.00 KB
[15:41] <netritious> snapshots are meant to be temporary
[15:41] <xTEMPLARx> okay so then a snapshot is meant to be a "lemme try this thing real quick" and if it fails or whatnot, then revert and no harm, no foul
[15:42] <xTEMPLARx> but don't use the VM for 6 months and expect to use the snapshot to reset the VM back to blank?
[15:42] <netritious> exactly
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> Guess I need to do a bit more digging on the purpose of the snapshot then.  I had assumed it was a nice way of marking a point in time as a fallback.  Something a bit more permanent than just a bookmark for, say, a day's work to be undone
[15:44] <netritious> the way people try to use snapshots, even myself at first, is to create one *while the guest is running*, pause the VM, and copy the snapshot, delete the snapshot, all done...but this presumes you have a recent copy of the VM vmdk disk files too
[15:44] <netritious> no, you have it right
[15:44] <netritious> use snapshots as a bookmark in time
[15:44] <netritious> when you're satisfied with your testing, delete the snapshot
[15:45] <netritious> I always create snapshots prior to system updates for instance
[15:45] <netritious> when everything looks good I delete the snapshot
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> what?!  you don't trust microsoft's system restore?!
[15:46] <netritious> uh No, lol
[15:46] <netritious> but only because nasty virii and malware can get stuck in them making it impossible to remove
[15:47] <netritious> *them=the restore points
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> weird this one VM has 3 copies of the HD file
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> the original vmdk file, and two marked 00001 and 00002
[15:47] <netritious> did you split the drive into 2GB increments? or is that an option with ESXi?
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> no they're all the same size at 83gb
[15:48] <netritious> the ones marked 00001 and 00002 are probably snapshot files
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> prolly so
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> this describes the snapshot problem in great detail http://www.networkcomputing.com/virtualization/recovering-from-corrupted-snapshots-on-vi4.php
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> there... i just shut them both down, made backups and restarted them
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> took several minutes to sort it out, but still much faster than having to clone a machine
[18:01] <wrst> hello 17SAARRBP
[18:12] <wrst> ahh Genphlux thats you :)
[18:36] <cyberanger> netritious: how big is your mirror?
[18:37] <netritious> cyberanger: with hardy and lucid, including partner repos, right at 100 GB
[18:39] <netritious> chris4585: I ran across your forum post about bootable USB...have you ever tried installing grub4dos from linux to usb?
[18:40] <chris4585> netritious, hey
[18:40] <chris4585> I've never played around with grub4dos before
[18:41] <cyberanger> I excluded partner repos and it appears to be fetching 115
[18:41] <cyberanger> (was gonna just be lucid, but had to add hardy for chattacon too)
[18:41] <netritious> cyberanger: I can only get partner working by setting up a separate repo
[18:43] <netritious> I use three scripts to build my mirror cyberanger
[18:43] <netritious> mirror-main.sh - runs demirror with auto cleanup weekly on us.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:43] <cyberanger> same for security (which i didn't count)
[18:44] <netritious> mirror-security.sh - runs demirror with no cleanup daily on security.ubuntu.com
[18:44] <netritious> those two ^^ create my main mirror
[18:44] <netritious> create and maintain rather
[18:44] <netritious> keep it updated
[18:45] <cyberanger> and mirror-main is 100G or all mirroring (main alone is 15G larger)
[18:45] <netritious> mirror-partner.sh - runs demirror with auto cleanup weekly on partner.canonical.com
[18:46] <cyberanger> you don't fetch source, do you?
[18:46] <netritious> the "main" part just means "the main script" not "main repo"
[18:46] <netritious> no just deb's
[18:47] <netritious> I rarely build from source, and when I do it's usually from a git repo
[18:48] <cyberanger> yeah us.archive.ubuntu.com (maybe I added source, which was the long run plan, and explain the additional size)
[18:49] <netritious> adding src increases the mirror exponentially and IMHO is a waste of time, bandwidth, and space to mirror
[18:49] <netritious> *increases the mirror size
[18:49] <netritious> in most cases anyway
[18:49] <netritious> unless you want to be official mirror :)
[18:51] <cyberanger> yeah, which is the long run plan
[18:51] <cyberanger> but not right now, time constraint
[18:55] <chris4585> cyberanger, I think its ironic that just about everything I install comes from ppas
[18:56] <netritious> chris4585: I have been using ppas more too keeping my hardy servers up to date with some packages (clamav for one)
[18:59] <cyberanger> netritious: that had to be it, just added --nosource into the mix
[18:59] <cyberanger> and the size it wants to fetch dropped considerably
[19:00] <netritious> du -sh /mirror/ = 97G - du -sh /partner/ = 3.0G...just updated
[19:00] <cyberanger> chris4585: what are you using from ppas
[19:01] <cyberanger> yeah, my equilavant to /mirror/ was gonna be an extra 17G then
[19:01] <cyberanger> what's security's size
[19:03] <netritious> security is in /main/ too so no way to tell atm
[19:03] <netritious> no easy way that I know of anyway
[19:03] <cyberanger> ah, I split the two
[19:03] <cyberanger> /mirror/archive and /mirror/security
[19:03] <chris4585> unity-qt, foobnix, libreoffice, awn testing, synapse, gmusicbrowser, ubuntu-tweak, webup8 ppa has a lot of goodies, zeitgeist, equinox, nautilus-elementary, orta, virtualbox and opera
[19:04] <cyberanger> actually, /mirror/ubuntu/archive and /mirror/ubuntu/cdarchive and /mirror/ubuntu/security, thinking further
[19:05] <cyberanger> since security comes from a different repo and official mirrors wouldn't have it, thought It'd be good to keep seperate
[19:05] <netritious> really it's an experiment on my part...i can't find anything official on why the two are separated, but I haven't looked to hard either, but security.ubuntu.com repos do seem to get updated more quickly and more often
[19:05] <Svpernova09> netritious: turns out our network issue was a bad ethernet cable -.-
[19:06] <cyberanger> Svpernova09: don't you just hate that
[19:06] <Svpernova09> Yeah, was rather annoying
[19:06] <netritious> I truly was going to suggest to try that first
[19:06] <netritious> that and the switch next
[19:06] <xTEMPLARx> Svpernova09: that stinks!
[19:06] <chris4585> I hate it when a whole port on a router just doesn't work
[19:06] <netritious> two easiest things to try
[19:07] <netritious> at least it's an easy fix
[19:07] <cyberanger> netritious: same here, nothing offical, or any signs of a technical reason, my guess is a mitm fear, which makes zero sense
[19:08] <cyberanger> due to apt-secure's setup
[19:08] <Svpernova09> netritious: we also have open wifi @ space for the meeting :_D
[19:08] <netritious> nice Svpernova09
[19:08] <netritious> that will come in handy :D
[19:09] <netritious> will get my torrents setup now
[19:09] <Svpernova09> lol
[19:09] <cyberanger> but that and response time, quicker to get security pushed out, and little load if nearly everything tries the main repo first, read down the line and all
[19:10] <cyberanger> archive.ubuntu.com (or a mirror of it) then partner, then security
[19:10] <cyberanger> and that assumes it reads down the line (which I suspect, but never tried to find out)
[19:11] <cyberanger> and your not needing to be an official mirror and already keep servers and mirror's maintained, so I think your fine
[19:13] <netritious> chris4585: I asked about grub4dos and bootable USB since from Windoze I used this app called MultiBootISOs from pendrivelinux.com..
[19:13] <netritious> after customizing a bit produced an awesome 8GB multiboot drive for me
[19:13] <cyberanger> netritious: and you didn't leave alot out of that
[19:13] <cyberanger> just backtrack 3
[19:13] <cyberanger> which has more bluetooth hacking tools
[19:14] <chris4585> I don't really have a purpose anymore for multibooting usb, but thanks for the info
[19:14] <netritious> I'm all patting myself on the back about it, but really all I did was change the boot splash, modify the menu.st for grub4dos, and add server/alternate installs to the foray
[19:15] <xTEMPLARx> and all that just to put ur favorite dukes of hazzard wallpaper on the boot splash?
[19:15] <xTEMPLARx> nice
[19:15] <netritious> haha exactly xTEMPLARx
[19:15] <netritious> well, not exactly, I wanted all 10.04 LTS on one drive
[19:16] <netritious> and a few utilities I use fairly often
[19:16] <netritious> the MultiBottISOs only supports Maverick mostly and no support for multibooting server and alternate installers
[19:17] <xTEMPLARx> makes sense to me :D
[19:18] <netritious> http://tinyurl.com/4etdbh8 screenshot
[19:19] <netritious> chris4585: that's cool...the point I was trying to get at is that I would like to do it from scratch via Ubuntu Live CD, but my testing so far has produced some unexpected, not very reliable results
[19:20] <netritious> http://tinyurl.com/4m3buh9 how I did it and how you can do it to (if you have windows) lol
[19:21]  * netritious is ashamed he had to use Windows to create a Linux USB Multiboot Device :P
[19:25]  * cyberanger didn't say anything, did find it funny
[19:40] <cyberanger> netritious: could you hack billix into doing what you want
[19:40] <cyberanger> I think you could
[19:40] <netritious> idk never heard of it cyberanger
[19:42] <cyberanger> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/announcing-billix-027-and-superbillix-027
[19:42] <cyberanger> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/billix-sysadmins-swiss-army-knife?page=0,2
[19:42] <cyberanger> http://sourceforge.net/projects/billix/
[19:56] <cyberanger> netritious: cool tool
[20:00] <netritious> cyberanger: billix or...?
[20:00] <netritious> billix seems cool
[20:00] <netritious> superbillix too
[20:00] <cyberanger> well, both
[20:00] <cyberanger> minute difference
[20:01] <cyberanger> well, for your reason
[20:01] <cyberanger> ubuntu live disc is in superbillix
[20:01] <cyberanger> billix just has dsl
[21:00] <pace_t_zulu> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568
[21:00] <pace_t_zulu> ^ Qt apps on Ubuntu
[21:08] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I think mark has honestly gone crazy, but thats just my opinion
[21:08] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: i think he might just like the idea of LGPL
[21:10] <cyberanger> it could be both
[21:11] <cyberanger> I'm a fan of a sweet Qt app, vlc
[21:11] <cyberanger> but personally I'd strip it out
[21:11] <cyberanger> as I don't use it (I use the ncurses interface
[21:12] <cyberanger> and idk, lgpl or gpl, ubuntu or debian
[21:12] <cyberanger> and it's kinda funny, if licenses like the lgpl are worth the effort, why not apply them to gobuntu