[00:03] the point of a cap is those that are above normal threshold [00:03] but the question if it's doable by just anyone [00:03] yes [00:06] yeah i was just wondering how long it would take at full speed [00:12] your full speed [00:12] or your plans [00:12] 8 hours, 27G [00:13] qne my plan is 3mb/s [03:05] hello [03:11] hey vychune [03:16] hello again cyberanger [03:17] sorry i was watching WWE RAW [03:17] hey chris4585 [03:18] you know you quit in the download period last night [03:18] vychune: quite alright [03:18] download period? [03:18] satellite internet [03:18] and thanks [03:18] cool [03:18] capped, but a period in the night goes unmeterted [03:19] ok [03:23] so what are you guys upto? [03:23] downloading the ubuntu repository [03:24] peice by peice [03:24] THE WHOLE THING? [03:24] D**M [03:24] in the end it'll be the whole thing [03:24] HOLY SHITTE [03:25] atm just hardy and lucid, next I'm gonna add natty [03:25] atm? [03:26] and have you tried unity 2D [03:26] and between working withing isp constraints, and end of life for some versions, I'll get it all on my servers [03:26] atm, at the moment [03:27] wow [03:27] working somewhat slowly, lest I piss off my isp [03:27] 90G a month tops [03:27] lol [03:27] cyberanger, hrm yeah? I quit so I wouldn't be disconnecting and reconnecting all night [03:28] or get a higher bandwidth cap if it's unobtainable goal [03:28] not tried unity yet [03:28] oh ok [03:29] chris4585: it doesn't take alot of bandwidth to maintain a mirror [03:29] whats atm mean? [03:29] just setting it up [03:29] atm, at the moment [03:29] oh ok [03:29] *slaps himself* [03:30] lol [03:31] chris4585: if I knewwhat packages work and chattacon need, I'd be even more selective [03:31] idk if that'd help you, but I bet it could [03:32] I'm slightly confused, but I'm fine cyberanger [03:32] cyberanger, I think I showed you this already http://chris4585.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/hughesnet-i-hate-you-but-then-i-love-you/ [03:32] talking about a bandwidth conservation idea for you [03:33] a private mirror, real selective in what it has [03:33] its alright cyberanger, I do fine by not doing anything lol [03:33] that sounds painful [03:35] cool [03:36] chris4585: cool [03:36] I think i did, but a sweet refresher [03:41] hey chris what u up to [11:31] morning everyone [11:48] morning cyberanger [11:48] * wrst darts off to work [11:56] wrst: just a quick hello I see [13:19] hey cyberanger now i'm back :) [13:19] for a longer hello :P [13:37] morning [13:38] howdy netritious youd oing ok? [13:38] doing fine wrst, yourself? [13:39] doing well about to finally get melted out, how are things in the western regions? [13:39] the last of my snowman melted yesterday so not to bad :) [13:39] still cold but not as it could be [13:40] netritious: windows ? for you, got a machine with 1GB of RAM and a athlon 3800 processor will that ever reasonably run vista? [13:42] reasonably? hm...barely is more like it [13:42] 2 GB ram is minimum for vista IMHO [13:43] kinda what i thought, its a family members if i can find some ram cheap i might order them a stick [13:43] sounds like ddr2 from the cpu, which is dirt cheap right now [13:43] yeah i might just do that [13:44] http://204.116.127.107/heatsink.jpg <--- netritious from this same machine [13:45] i stuck both the fan and the heat sink in soapy water :) [13:45] never tried soapy water... [13:47] but a bottle of isopropyl alcohol + zip lock back works wonders [13:47] and safe for fans [13:47] well probably not the best but i didn't have any compressed air at that moment and the cpu was kinda melted to the heat sink so really didn't think it mattered but it sped things up nicely [13:47] but the fan may have a short life now :) [13:47] :) [13:47] but it no longer sounds like a helicopter taking off [13:48] as long as you let it dry really well it will probably be ok [13:48] lol [13:49] dry, what is that i just whiped it off and put it back in :) [13:49] lol [13:49] actually i really didn't expect the cpu to work again, it all pulled out without me releasing the release on the cpu so i thought it was all toast [13:49] i kinda feared i had messed the board up [13:49] eek [13:50] yeah 1GB under 20 bucks i will match it up with what they have and give them a gig , i already reinstalled vista for them too [13:50] as virus infested as it was i didn't even attempt to fix it [13:51] the reason I use alcohol is because it evaporates and does a decent job of breaking down most kinds of oil based substances (like cig smoke/tar residue) [13:51] it's also cheap and plentiful, and can be picked up at 2 am from Walgreens if required [13:52] I also use lighter fluid sometimes...it's great for getting the thermal paste off a cpu [13:54] yeah netritious i need to remember that, i was just a little flustered because that machine is so dirty that's not normal, evidently they never dust or have their computer in a horse barn or something [13:54] i am going to take it to my dad's shop and use his air compressor to blow it out, cut down the pressure but it would take 30 cans of air [13:55] that's a good idea [13:56] should that processor work ok on vista, to do email, and some itunes? [13:56] athlon 3800 [13:56] the cpu is more than enough...dual core 2.0 GHz I think [13:57] ok well some air, a reinstall, and about 20bucks will get them going ok [13:58] yeah should do [13:58] cool, best widnows advice you can get is in the ubuntu loco channel [13:59] netritious: i was about attempted to put ubuntu on it had it not been for their utter dependence on itunes [14:02] lol [14:03] i really hate itunes, I try to stick with amazon, e-music, or some other DRM free service [14:04] wrst u here [14:04] hey linuxman410 [14:04] i have my auctions up [14:04] got links? :) [14:05] http://shop.ebay.com:80/strange007/m.html here is link [14:07] linuxman410: windows xp??? [14:08] yeah it was a spare machine [14:09] got a deal on it [14:09] ha ha ok i guess you are excused, but you may have to change your name to xpman410 :P [14:10] no that cannot happen i am just selling it the only time u will ever see me with one like that for sale [14:11] wrst i can sell it to mhall119 [14:13] linuxman410: those run ubuntu decently if i'm not mistaken [14:13] Anyone have any experience with routing, iptables, nat? difficulty: it's a centos box I'm trying to troubleshoot >.< [14:15] wrst it had the windows xp and i figured i would see it like that since it had the restore disk [14:16] wrst last one i sold with ubuntu was the atom and the guy emailed me and said it ran windows 7 great [14:16] that might help [14:16] great win 7 [14:16] :) [14:17] that guy was crazy nothing great about windows [14:17] Svpernova09: what's the problem [14:17] Centos hates me. [14:17] wrst the alternative install worked on my laptop [14:17] cool linuxman410 [14:17] ok, 2 network cards, 1 public communistcast IP, 1 local 192.168.1.1 network [14:17] Centos hates everyone so stop feeling sorry for yourself :P [14:17] I can ssh into the box via the public ip, no problems [14:18] I can't ping anything from there on the local network. [14:18] reset the comcast router? [14:18] Nah, I can ssh in, I don't think it's a comcast issue [14:18] you know, poull the power, count to 10, plug it back in [14:18] all of our IPs are responding to pings. [14:18] oh wait [14:18] We're using the centos box as our router, so it's grabbing all 5 of our Ips [14:18] I can't ping anything from there on the local network. [14:19] ^^ the problem? [14:19] well, it was all working, something died around 815 last night [14:19] NAT appears to be not working [14:19] pastebin these files... [14:19] oh wait n/m [14:19] it's centos [14:19] Right [14:19] but probably same files [14:20] /etc/network/interfaces [14:20] hey netritious, ESXi is cool stuff [14:20] /etc/resolv.conf [14:20] yeah, on centos interfaces is broken up to seperate configs, 1 sec [14:20] /etc/hosts [14:21] xTEMPLARx: you got your new server? nice [14:21] i got *A* new server [14:21] its not quite what I wanted but its not awful [14:21] specs xTEMPLARx? [14:21] supermicro 2U rm box with xeon quad core, 8gb ram [14:21] i removed the 2008 server install they had on there and tossed ESXi (vsphere) on there [14:21] netritious: http://pastebin.com/cCSV6Cya [14:21] nice xTEMPLARx [14:22] other than snapshots, are you aware of a way to copy and paste to duplicate an existing VM? [14:22] I suppose I could copy and paste the actual files and see if it picks them up as an additional VM [14:22] that should be all you have to do [14:23] <-- Still VMware ESXi clueless...I still use VMware Server 1.0.10 on Ubuntu :P [14:24] ESXi is a lot less painful than I thought it'd be... managing it from the vSphere client === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [14:24] Svpernova09: can you ping from that machine to a public address (ping www.google.com) [14:24] Aye I can [14:24] even doing copy/paste functions are pretty quick [14:25] Svpernova09: as root, iptables -L >pastebinit [14:25] (if you have pastebinit installed) [14:25] nice xTEMPLARx [14:26] netritious: http://pastebin.com/nJBYfDSh [14:27] I think I am done with VMware xTEMPLARx [14:28] done with virtualization entirely, or moving to a new product [14:28] * Svpernova09 coughs OPENVZ! [14:28] Svpernova09: output from ifconfig eth0 eth1 [14:28] http://pastebin.com/vNfMtKwW [14:35] netritious1: done with virtualization entirely, or moving to a new product? === netritious1 is now known as netritious [14:36] xTEMPLARx: using KVM and LXC on my test server [14:36] LXC isn't where it needs to be but it's getting there, and runs OpenVZ containers too (mostly) [14:36] so what spurred this changeover? [14:37] trying to use more open source [14:37] kk [14:38] Svpernova09: do you have two gateways? one for WAN and one for LAN? aka multi-homed system [14:38] yeah, eth0 is the wan, eth1 is the lan [14:39] eth2 is a seperate LAN, we're not doing anything with it yet [14:39] what is eth1 connected to? [14:40] a swtich [14:40] that the rest of the network is connected to [14:40] eth0 -> comcast router [14:41] that does sound like a routing problem [14:41] It's been working fine >.< [14:41] I just don't know this stuff well enough [14:41] have you tried flushing iptables? [14:41] I've restarted everything I can think of, even the box [14:41] restarting = flushing iptables [14:42] I'm leary of doing anything with iptables cause I don't want to lock myself out of the box [14:42] cyberanger: if you come back around I have an openbox question for you [14:42] ANd I'm still waiting on the guy that set this up for us to get back to me [14:42] I can understand that completely [14:43] how long have you been waiting on this guy? [14:43] since about 815 last night [14:43] it's his box, so He's got access to remotely fix it, another reason I don't want to break iptables [14:44] are you able to ping the server from other LAN computers connected to the switch? [14:44] I'm not sure, [14:44] Dan was there last night, he plugged directly into the switch and the dhcpd isn't handing out IPs [14:44] so that's another issue [14:47] sounds like you should wait on the guy [14:47] yea >.< [14:48] Thanks for looking at it. [14:48] np [14:48] I have learned one thing though. [14:48] So not a total waste [14:48] CentOS is dirty [14:49] donotwant [14:49] lol [14:49] ubuntu server rocks [14:49] ubuntu is a spoiler of admins [14:49] it is that indeed [14:49] :D [14:50] This weekend, I was reinstalling Dan's server to put a clean version of proxmox on it, since his machine is 32bit, you have to install debian lenny then install custom proxmox deb's [14:50] so has everyone that uses Ubuntu server filled out the survey? [14:50] I learned that debian has changed A LOT in the past 5 years [14:50] not I [14:50] Mainly, when you tell it NOT to install the desktop system, it installs it anyway -.- [14:50] actually, I'm not currently using ubuntu server on anything so I guess its not fair to say I'm using it [14:50] What survey? [14:50] i HAVE used it [14:50] just not currently [14:51] i'm actually using a base ubuntu install on the NAS RAID system I put together here in the office [14:51] you can still fill out the survey then xTEMPLARx :P [14:51] http://survey.ubuntu.com/ [14:53] Svpernova09: I installed debian on a really old Server Snap NAS but it's in the recycle bin atm...couldn't get ubuntu on it [14:53] >.< [14:53] I used to LOVE some debian, but now it feels awkward as hell [14:55] it's weird for me using Debian..it's more like pre-Ubuntu 8.04 which prior to 8.04 the only experience I had was telling people to install it if they had bootleg windows [14:55] or couldn't afford a license [14:55] but no real experience with Debian other than testing [14:56] I'm not knocking it, just I like Ubuntu [14:56] When i finally gave up on redhat I went to slackware, then to debian [14:57] some of these questions are amusing [14:58] "Which do you think your organisation would be most likely to require paid professional support" No to all, cause my organization pays me to fix these problems, if I can't I turn to google / community [14:58] ^^ it gets to that Svpernova09 [14:58] I guess canonical is trying to tailor their support a bit more maybe [15:00] all they would really need to do is ask politely "what will you pay for?" lol Just come out with it Canonical! :D [15:00] wouldn't that be paid prof support? you? [15:00] :D [15:00] xTEMPLARx: very true [15:02] i found a typo in the survey... who do i report it to? [15:02] :D [15:02] Premium Serivce Engineer [15:02] whoops! :) [15:03] Virualised server environment [15:03] another [15:03] Here's possibly another: "If you manage a large (<20 nodes) " [15:04] wouldn't that be >20? [15:06] * netritious promotes xTEMPLARx to unofficial status of locotn grammar police chief [15:07] <--- proof reader [15:07] :D [15:07] :D [15:08] I noticed a few, but I tend to overlook typos unless it's my stuff and even then I miss a few [15:08] its harder to notice your own errors [15:08] agreed [15:18] playing around with VM snapshots [15:18] I assume VMWare server had that as well [15:25] xTEMPLARx: yes [15:25] be careful with snapshots [15:25] do tell [15:26] it's an alluring feature that can create downtime if you're not careful [15:27] if you create a snapshot of a running guest and forget to delete it after you back it up, it will slow your vm down [15:27] not at first but eventually [15:27] so [15:28] should I take the snapshot, then shut the VM down, and copy the snapshot away somewhere? [15:28] a friend of mine just this past Friday spent 6-7 hours waiting on a snapshot to delete in order to bring his broken VM back up [15:28] shut the vm down, copy files to another directory and/or move to a network share [15:29] start the VM back up [15:29] this particular one is just over a gig in size [15:29] that's why I am moving to KVM and LXC [15:30] open source? [15:30] :P [15:30] VMware ESXi *is the bomb* but features you find yourself needing down the road cost quite a bit [15:30] and VMware Server is just as bad really [15:31] choosing KVM and LXC allows me to use LVM snapshots vs snapshots using the host software [15:32] explain [15:32] you can do LVM snapshots on VMware Server instances too, but it's not supported and I've had mixed results with it [15:32] LVM = Logical Volume Manger [15:33] LVM is a supported partition type in Ubuntu and other linux distros [15:34] If you install LVM (really LVM2) then you can dynamically create, delete, resize, and take snapshots of your system partitions while the system is hot [15:35] the nearest relative on Windows is Volume Shadow Copy [15:35] never messed with either [15:35] I'm not 100% it works the same, but it's close [15:36] the cool thing with KVM is that you can create an LVM partition and mount it directly [15:36] well LVM Logical Volume === the-real-chibi is now known as chibihogoshino [15:37] the way this appears... I should be able to shut down a VM, then copy its entire folder as a backup [15:37] Physical Volume (PV) -> Volume Group (VG) -> Logical Volume (LG) -> File System [15:38] and if something happens, I can just copy it back into place and remove the errant copy [15:38] yeah [15:38] although I've never tried with ESXi so don't know what's involved [15:38] that might actually be less painful than monkeying with snapshots [15:38] yep [15:38] i've already done it once in trying to duplicate my first VM [15:38] so [15:38] if I capture a snapshot [15:39] am I now running on that snapshot? [15:39] or is it just a save point that I can revert to [15:39] the latter [15:39] so [15:39] the longer and more data is in a system being used, the larger its snapshots will be [15:40] nail on the head [15:40] so for example... i'm at one gig right now for a base install of xp pro [15:40] 1 GB? are you sure? [15:40] once I get sql server and IIS, .NET frameworks, etc etc... and THEN our actual work files... [15:40] my snapshots are gonna be huuuge [15:40] yep [15:40] 1,053,865.00 KB [15:41] snapshots are meant to be temporary [15:41] okay so then a snapshot is meant to be a "lemme try this thing real quick" and if it fails or whatnot, then revert and no harm, no foul [15:42] but don't use the VM for 6 months and expect to use the snapshot to reset the VM back to blank? [15:42] exactly [15:43] Guess I need to do a bit more digging on the purpose of the snapshot then. I had assumed it was a nice way of marking a point in time as a fallback. Something a bit more permanent than just a bookmark for, say, a day's work to be undone [15:44] the way people try to use snapshots, even myself at first, is to create one *while the guest is running*, pause the VM, and copy the snapshot, delete the snapshot, all done...but this presumes you have a recent copy of the VM vmdk disk files too [15:44] no, you have it right [15:44] use snapshots as a bookmark in time [15:44] when you're satisfied with your testing, delete the snapshot [15:45] I always create snapshots prior to system updates for instance [15:45] when everything looks good I delete the snapshot [15:45] what?! you don't trust microsoft's system restore?! [15:46] uh No, lol [15:46] but only because nasty virii and malware can get stuck in them making it impossible to remove [15:47] *them=the restore points [15:47] weird this one VM has 3 copies of the HD file [15:47] the original vmdk file, and two marked 00001 and 00002 [15:47] did you split the drive into 2GB increments? or is that an option with ESXi? [15:47] no they're all the same size at 83gb [15:48] the ones marked 00001 and 00002 are probably snapshot files [15:50] prolly so [15:56] this describes the snapshot problem in great detail http://www.networkcomputing.com/virtualization/recovering-from-corrupted-snapshots-on-vi4.php [15:58] there... i just shut them both down, made backups and restarted them [15:58] took several minutes to sort it out, but still much faster than having to clone a machine [18:01] hello 17SAARRBP === 17SAARRBP is now known as Genphlux [18:12] ahh Genphlux thats you :) [18:36] netritious: how big is your mirror? [18:37] cyberanger: with hardy and lucid, including partner repos, right at 100 GB [18:39] chris4585: I ran across your forum post about bootable USB...have you ever tried installing grub4dos from linux to usb? [18:40] netritious, hey [18:40] I've never played around with grub4dos before [18:41] I excluded partner repos and it appears to be fetching 115 [18:41] (was gonna just be lucid, but had to add hardy for chattacon too) [18:41] cyberanger: I can only get partner working by setting up a separate repo [18:43] I use three scripts to build my mirror cyberanger [18:43] mirror-main.sh - runs demirror with auto cleanup weekly on us.archive.ubuntu.com [18:43] same for security (which i didn't count) [18:44] mirror-security.sh - runs demirror with no cleanup daily on security.ubuntu.com [18:44] those two ^^ create my main mirror [18:44] create and maintain rather [18:44] keep it updated [18:45] and mirror-main is 100G or all mirroring (main alone is 15G larger) [18:45] mirror-partner.sh - runs demirror with auto cleanup weekly on partner.canonical.com [18:46] you don't fetch source, do you? [18:46] the "main" part just means "the main script" not "main repo" [18:46] no just deb's [18:47] I rarely build from source, and when I do it's usually from a git repo [18:48] yeah us.archive.ubuntu.com (maybe I added source, which was the long run plan, and explain the additional size) [18:49] adding src increases the mirror exponentially and IMHO is a waste of time, bandwidth, and space to mirror [18:49] *increases the mirror size [18:49] in most cases anyway [18:49] unless you want to be official mirror :) [18:51] yeah, which is the long run plan [18:51] but not right now, time constraint [18:55] cyberanger, I think its ironic that just about everything I install comes from ppas [18:56] chris4585: I have been using ppas more too keeping my hardy servers up to date with some packages (clamav for one) [18:59] netritious: that had to be it, just added --nosource into the mix [18:59] and the size it wants to fetch dropped considerably [19:00] du -sh /mirror/ = 97G - du -sh /partner/ = 3.0G...just updated [19:00] chris4585: what are you using from ppas [19:01] yeah, my equilavant to /mirror/ was gonna be an extra 17G then [19:01] what's security's size [19:03] security is in /main/ too so no way to tell atm [19:03] no easy way that I know of anyway [19:03] ah, I split the two [19:03] /mirror/archive and /mirror/security [19:03] unity-qt, foobnix, libreoffice, awn testing, synapse, gmusicbrowser, ubuntu-tweak, webup8 ppa has a lot of goodies, zeitgeist, equinox, nautilus-elementary, orta, virtualbox and opera [19:04] actually, /mirror/ubuntu/archive and /mirror/ubuntu/cdarchive and /mirror/ubuntu/security, thinking further [19:05] since security comes from a different repo and official mirrors wouldn't have it, thought It'd be good to keep seperate [19:05] really it's an experiment on my part...i can't find anything official on why the two are separated, but I haven't looked to hard either, but security.ubuntu.com repos do seem to get updated more quickly and more often [19:05] netritious: turns out our network issue was a bad ethernet cable -.- [19:06] Svpernova09: don't you just hate that [19:06] Yeah, was rather annoying [19:06] I truly was going to suggest to try that first [19:06] that and the switch next [19:06] Svpernova09: that stinks! [19:06] I hate it when a whole port on a router just doesn't work [19:06] two easiest things to try [19:07] at least it's an easy fix [19:07] netritious: same here, nothing offical, or any signs of a technical reason, my guess is a mitm fear, which makes zero sense [19:08] due to apt-secure's setup [19:08] netritious: we also have open wifi @ space for the meeting :_D [19:08]