[01:09] hello! === wedwo is now known as wedwo- [05:37] morning superfly and all you other guys [05:38] morning oom Kilos [05:39] lol [05:39] you back to that again oompie [05:41] are you and the family well? [05:41] Maaz, coffee on [05:41] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [05:45] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [05:45] Maaz, dankie [05:46] Groot plesier Kilos my vriend [05:50] Kilos: sorry, really busy here at work... the family is well [05:52] glad to hear that. [06:12] sup oom Kilos [06:12] lol you too [06:12] all well here ty and you [06:14] after i did mv i ended up with only 30m update to download. thanks alot [06:24] cool [06:24] :) [06:26] dunno if this will work with usb broadband modems as well. but does with cellphone use as a modem on voda [06:27] for those with small caps [06:28] boot with phone connected then when online unplug data cable and plug it back in after about 2 or 3 secs [06:28] if i dont do this then when i open pidgin data use is up to 1.5m [06:29] if i do it then data use is only around 60kB opening pidgin and i am sure it use less for everything else as well [06:30] morning maiatoday [07:04] hi Kilos === confluency_ is now known as confluency === frozty_sa is now known as froztbyte [14:22] afternoon all [14:23] hi fwolff [14:23] hi Kilos [14:23] ar you new here? [14:23] I'm so new, I don't even use ubuntu yet :-) [14:24] move it [14:24] lol [14:24] but friends with several people here. was actually looking for highvoltage, but found him elsewhere. [14:24] trying to be polite and not leave the moment I got what I wanted :-) [14:24] ah [14:24] where are you [14:24] so what kind of kilos are you? [14:24] Pta [14:25] me too [14:25] or Translate.org.za, more precisely [14:25] been quiet here this year the guys are very busy seems to me [14:25] antway welcome to ubuntu-za [14:25] thanks [14:25] so who here wants to help us maintain a PPA of our software? [14:26] what software? [14:27] Virtaal, Pootle, Translate Toolkit [14:27] http://translate.sourceforge.net/ [14:27] We have this: https://launchpad.net/~translate.org.za/+archive/ppa [14:27] but it is falling out of date [14:28] hang around. someone should see this chat before midnight [14:28] we have another community member who wants to have a PPA for bleeding edge releases - nice idea [14:29] walterl used to maintain it, but got busy [14:32] maybe a ping is all that is necessary :-) [14:32] yeah walter has become scarce [18:32] Maaz: weather pretoria [18:32] deegee: In Lanseria, South Africa at 8:00 PM SAST on January 18, 2011: 20°C; Humidity: 88%; Wind: SE at 11 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 5:31 AM SAST/7:03 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 5:53 PM SAST/3:46 AM SAST [18:33] Maaz: weather jiddah saudi arabia [18:33] deegee: In Jeddah King Abdul Aziz International Airport, Saudi Arabia at 9:00 PM AST on January 18, 2011: 21°C; Humidity: 48%; Wind: North at 7 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 7:03 AM AST/6:03 PM AST; Moonrise/set: 4:42 PM AST/5:30 AM AST [18:33] Maaz: thank you kindly [18:33] no problem, deegee [18:34] deegee: you in Jeddah? [18:34] good evening [18:34] inetpro: yes [18:34] good evening inetpro & all [18:35] inetpro: i'm back thursday [18:35] inetpro: how have you been? [18:35] deegee: am good thanks [18:36] * inetpro enjoyed a bit of fresh air today at school athletics [18:36] inetpro: kwl. [18:36] inetpro: r u back @ work? [18:37] deegee: yep, been back since last week already [18:37] * deegee thinks work sucks. [18:38] inetpro: have you played a bit with Natty? [18:38] * deegee is waiting patiently for the galaxy tab... [18:39] deegee: no [18:39] * inetpro is very patient [18:40] * superfly doesn't have the bandwidth to do stuff like that [18:41] understood. well there's flaws and most of them are corrected within time. [18:41] superfly: hmmmm... you'll get there sometime soon [18:41] deegee: I read a blog the other day with someone arguing that with the cost of the galaxy tab you should much get a decent netbook [18:41] the netbook is so much more flexible [18:42] they say if you need a reading device you should much rather get the kindle [18:42] inetpro: i already own an ubuntu maverick netbook!!! i now need a tab [18:42] stuff kindle! [18:42] the TAB is kwl [18:43] deegee: the TAB and it's OS is very limiting [18:44] inetpro: point taken, but at the end of the day i got a new toy and soon i'll run ubuntu on it [18:45] * inetpro hates the limited battery life on the tabs [18:45] and for that matter on most modern smartphones [18:46] BTW, did MTN announce new data deals recently? [18:46] * inetpro noticed new ads on TV but just caught the end of it [18:47] inetpro: i have no idea.... being out of the country for some time. sorry! [18:47] deegee: the TAB sure is a cool device, even if I have to say so myself [18:47] inetpro: does their site say something about the promo? [18:48] inetpro: lol [18:48] inetpro: TAB is a great device. [18:49] like i said, i had doubts on the netbook when i got it but i enjoyed it as soon as i installed ubuntu on it [18:49] something might come up for the TAB's [18:50] deegee: I have seen guys blog about ubuntu on the iPad [18:51] inetpro: hmmm.... that might have sparked an idea on the handhelds.... [18:51] ubuntu is just not ready for the telephony as far as I can see [18:52] * deegee will checkout the ubuntuforums for that info on the iPad's & TAB's [18:52] inetpro: is that for real? they not ready? [18:52] inetpro: Maemo is :-P [18:53] superfly: will Maemo be compatible for the TAB? [18:54] deegee: Maemo sadly is pretty much no more... but MeeGo, Maemo's successor, should be [18:55] superfly: tnx, will google the info further then... [18:55] well, depends on the hardware, of course, but it should be just a case of getting the drivers [18:56] * deegee notes on the rednotebook... for tomorrow [18:56] meego works on most [18:56] deegee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1392368 [18:56] netbooks [18:56] i have had it on my dell and hp [18:57] superfly: tnx again [18:57] * inetpro tried running meego on virtualbox the other day [18:57] meego take getting used to [18:57] Morganvd: you mean MeeGo or Maemo? [18:57] i use ubuntu netbook on mine [18:57] MeeGo [18:57] ran into some issues and put it aside for the moment [18:57] Morganvd: tnx [18:58] deegee: Maemo was written for Nokia's N800 and N900 series devices [18:58] version 1.1 is here [18:58] next release is april i think [18:59] so then if the TAB is not ready as yet, then i might look at the n900 as an alternative? [18:59] yeah MeeGo is mainly run by intel and Nokia [18:59] deegee: and even on the ipad forums they're talking about ubuntu [18:59] http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-hacking/357-ubuntu-ipad.html [19:01] deegee: IMHO I don't think you can compare the TAB directly with the n900 [19:01] but the n900 sure looks like a very cool device as well [19:02] inetpro: that is very true to not compare the 2 [19:02] i was refering to something to have instead of the other [19:02] * inetpro would love to have both devices for a month at a time before making a decision to purchase any one of them [19:04] lol [19:04] inetpro: that's a very cool idea [19:04] in fact I think any geek with a few spare bucks could be living in a dream world these days [19:04] so many new devices lining up behind each other all the time [19:05] or should I rather say any gadget geek [19:06] geek gadget geek whats the diffrence i drule every day at the new toys out [19:09] Morganvd: some geeks enjoy to push the limits with devices purchased with hard earned cash [19:09] true [19:10] i love the new stuff but somethings are just out of price range [19:10] * inetpro agrees with Morganvd [19:11] haha, I'm still drooling over p4's [19:12] october my company laptop is up for upgrade [19:12] im going for the mac book pro [19:14] Morganvd: good for you... [19:15] in a laymans term, the TAB is not ideal for now? [19:16] im not a fan of the TAB [19:16] i like my netbook more [19:16] Morganvd: noted. [19:16] TAB is a 7inch cell phone on steriods [19:16] ugh... OS X [19:16] huh! [19:17] hence imentioned on laymans terms....! [19:17] superfly: ? [19:17] Morganvd: I worked on OS X for a year... couldn't stand it [19:17] Kilos: wb [19:17] hey Kilos [19:17] Kilos: wb [19:18] hi guys you all well [19:18] ty [19:18] hi Kilos [19:18] superfly i dont know if ill keep OS X on it [19:19] ubuntu runs on the macBook... [19:19] it does [19:19] i just love the shape and the power of how a mac is built [19:19] Two charged over iPad hacking on AT&T network http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70H3BH20110118 [19:19] superfly: btw try this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/ubuntu-izing-kubuntu-ambiance-style/ [19:20] Morganvd: I don't want Ubuntu's look and feel, actually... I prefer KDE's themes [19:20] i might use kubuntu after all [19:20] inetpro: are you an iPad fan? [19:21] deegee: nope, but the hardware certainly is ahead in the race [19:21] superfly: i mean have you seen the screenies [19:21] do any of you have probs getting a usb flash to boot with an iso on it [19:21] Morganvd: looking now [19:21] i have tried a custom iso and the maverick startup disk option but it wont boot [19:21] Kilos: not me, i had success booting up always [19:21] Kilos: if there's an ISO on it, then it won't boot... if the ISO has been converted to work on a USB stick, then I don't know [19:22] Kilos: there has been issues with startup disk creator on mavr [19:22] oh [19:22] i used unetbooten [19:22] and have had no issues [19:23] i have just tried unetbootin and same thing [19:23] pc just hangs when it should boot [19:23] Morganvd: i used USB for maverick and worked all the time... [19:23] when last have you updated [19:23] yesterday [19:23] now i'm on natty USB [19:23] i wonder if the pc is not happy doing it [19:24] deegee: i think you missing the point when using mav to right a img to usb we have been getting random errors [19:24] in bios it shows the usb [19:24] Morganvd: ok. [19:24] Kilos: do you tell the machine to boot from usb Kilos [19:25] yes as first boot device [19:25] my dell is F12 and my HP its F9 [19:25] inetpro: what would you suggest on the topic; on toys/ [19:26] or is there a way to write an iso to multiple cd's [19:26] s/toys//toy? [19:26] i got a 830 custom iso and cd only wants 700m [19:26] * deegee needs some research on the new toys... [19:27] Kilos: can't you write it on a dvd? [19:27] deegee: I would wait a bit, unless you have a few savings [19:27] no dvd . pc too slow [19:27] eish [19:27] Kilos: ok, sorry [19:28] ty guys. carry on [19:28] inetpro: understood.... [19:28] deegee: if you want a toy, either an N900, or the MeeGo successor to the N900 (whatever that may be) [19:29] superfly: I just wish the successor would be announced soon [19:29] superfly: thank you kindly for the info. [19:29] inetpro: yeah, me too [19:29] * deegee will wait for now [19:29] the N8 is an *awesome* phone, except for one thing... it runs Symbian [19:30] * inetpro agrees with superfly [19:31] superfly: and the n900 runs? [19:31] Maemo [19:31] Debian derivative [19:31] i get the drift [19:32] * superfly compiled and installed his IRC client, Quassel, on his phone [19:32] yum yum [19:32] but does it mean Symbian is not that great of an OS? [19:32] deegee: NO symbian is a horrid horrid bad OS [19:32] deegee: from a user's perspective, it's OK [19:33] drubin: kwl. and andriod? [19:33] android is ok. [19:33] but I like being able to actually hack on my phone, without needing to jailbreak or root it [19:33] understood [19:33] superfly: Well not exactly you would never get decent apps for Symbian phones [19:34] drubin: well, Nokia's S60 and S90 versions there are apps for, but I had a UIQ3 version on my old SE m600, and there were *NO* apps for it [19:34] drubin: most users are still happy with the little they have on their Symbian phones [19:34] the TAB is running android. [19:37] @ the end of the day, i want to see myself using a device/handheld with something that makes me happy. [19:37] whether meego or whatever free/opensource.... [19:38] the thing that bugs me with these modern smartphones is that in the end it still is a phone [19:38] true [19:39] if you depend on the phone functionality you can not really afford to hack to much around with it [19:40] inetpro: true [19:41] i opt for the TAB because i really don' want the voice functionality on it, only data [19:41] i have phones, and i'm very happy with them. [19:42] s/don'/don't [19:43] i'm also happy with my netbook. [19:44] superfly: what device are you using? just curious. [19:44] phone i meant. [19:45] deegee: Ah. I have a Nokia N900 [19:45] kwl [19:45] very [19:46] inetpro: btw, the N900 is actually officially marketed as an Internet tablet [19:46] superfly: nice [19:46] superfly: would you explain that? [19:47] "internet tablet" [19:47] deegee: a good few years ago nokia brought out the N800, which has no phone whatsoever [19:47] ok [19:48] it runs/ran Maemo (version 2 or 3 or something) and was solely meant as a small internet-enabled device [19:48] ok [19:48] the N900 is a progression of that device, so it now includes a phone ;-) [19:48] kwl [19:48] http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2010/11/07/first-impressions-nokia-n900 [19:48] http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2010/11/08/first-impressions-nokia-n900-part-2 [19:49] superfly: tnx [19:53] superfly: what would you suggest; TAB or n900 or wait? [19:53] sorry for being a pain [19:53] deegee: it really depends on what you want to get out of the device [19:53] I *really* wanted the N900 [19:54] Android devices look really great, and I'd recommend them to my non-geeky friends [19:54] if you're a developer geek like me, you'd probably want a little more out of your device than what Android can offer, which is why I love my phone so much [19:54] thing is i don't want a phone functionality anymore on the device [19:55] it gives me that ability and that power, and you can see Nokia made it a developer's phone [19:55] deegee: then you don't want the N900 [19:55] not sure you want the TAB either though [19:56] bit if you want something like the iPad, then get the TAB, I've heard people say that they want to sell their iPad after buying a TAB [19:56] hence i say; i should do some research an check what's kwl [19:56] i want to keep my toys [19:56] * deegee like having toys of all kinds ... [19:57] http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1955 [19:58] * deegee chex the link... [19:58] the galexy tablet looks cheap though [19:58] * drubin got to play with one 2 days ago [19:58] drubin: very cheap... [19:59] the screen isn [19:59] isn't compareable though [20:01] np with screen. thing is; the more advance you are the better you are 1 step ahead ... [20:07] http://www.zenoss.com/in/wp_gartner_magic_quadrant.html [20:09] * sakhi_ eish another 4 runs for India. [20:09] * sakhi_ yes yes yes ;) [20:11] * deegee needs some sleep. [20:11] Maaz: time jeddah saudi arabia [20:11] deegee: Huh? [20:12] Maaz: time jeddah saudi [20:12] deegee: What? [20:12] Maaz: time jiddah [20:12] deegee: Sorry... [20:15] it's 23h18 in jiddah, nite all [20:15] night deegee [20:35] gnite [20:36] night all sleep tight