[01:09] <BaG_FiGHter> hello!
[05:37] <Kilos> morning superfly and all you other guys
[05:38] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[05:39] <Kilos> lol
[05:39] <Kilos> you back to that again oompie
[05:41] <Kilos> are you and the family well?
[05:41] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:41]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:45] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:45] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[05:46] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[05:50] <superfly> Kilos: sorry, really busy here at work... the family is well
[05:52] <Kilos> glad to hear that.
[06:12] <Owkkuri> sup oom Kilos
[06:12] <Kilos> lol you too
[06:12] <Kilos> all well here ty and you
[06:14] <Kilos> after i did mv i ended up with only 30m update to download. thanks alot
[06:24] <Owkkuri> cool
[06:24] <Owkkuri> :)
[06:26] <Kilos> dunno if this will work with usb broadband modems as well. but does with cellphone use as a modem on voda
[06:27] <Kilos> for those with small caps
[06:28] <Kilos> boot with phone connected then when online unplug data cable and plug it back in after about 2 or 3 secs
[06:28] <Kilos> if i dont do this then when i open pidgin data use is up to 1.5m
[06:29] <Kilos> if i do it then data use is only around 60kB opening pidgin and i am sure it use less for everything else as well
[06:30] <Kilos> morning maiatoday 
[07:04] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[14:22] <Kilos> afternoon all
[14:23] <Kilos> hi fwolff 
[14:23] <fwolff> hi Kilos
[14:23] <Kilos> ar you new here?
[14:23] <fwolff> I'm so new, I don't even use ubuntu yet :-)
[14:24] <Kilos> move it 
[14:24] <Kilos> lol
[14:24] <fwolff> but friends with several people here.  was actually looking for highvoltage, but found him elsewhere.
[14:24] <fwolff> trying to be polite and not leave the moment I got what I wanted :-)
[14:24] <Kilos> ah
[14:24] <Kilos> where are you
[14:24] <fwolff> so what kind of kilos are you?
[14:24] <fwolff> Pta
[14:25] <Kilos> me too
[14:25] <fwolff> or Translate.org.za, more precisely
[14:25] <Kilos> been quiet here this year the guys are very busy seems to me
[14:25] <Kilos> antway welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:25] <fwolff> thanks
[14:25] <fwolff> so who here wants to help us maintain a PPA of our software?
[14:26] <Kilos> what software?
[14:27] <fwolff> Virtaal, Pootle, Translate Toolkit
[14:27] <fwolff> http://translate.sourceforge.net/
[14:27] <fwolff> We have this: https://launchpad.net/~translate.org.za/+archive/ppa
[14:27] <fwolff> but it is falling out of date
[14:28] <Kilos> hang around. someone should see this chat before midnight
[14:28] <fwolff> we have another community member who wants to have a PPA for bleeding edge releases - nice idea
[14:29] <fwolff> walterl used to maintain it, but got busy
[14:32] <fwolff> maybe a ping is all that is necessary :-)
[14:32] <Kilos> yeah walter has become scarce
[18:32] <deegee> Maaz: weather pretoria
[18:32] <Maaz> deegee: In Lanseria, South Africa at 8:00 PM SAST on January 18, 2011: 20°C; Humidity: 88%; Wind: SE at 11 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 5:31 AM SAST/7:03 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 5:53 PM SAST/3:46 AM SAST
[18:33] <deegee> Maaz: weather jiddah saudi arabia
[18:33] <Maaz> deegee: In Jeddah King Abdul Aziz International Airport, Saudi Arabia at 9:00 PM AST on January 18, 2011: 21°C; Humidity: 48%; Wind: North at 7 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 7:03 AM AST/6:03 PM AST; Moonrise/set: 4:42 PM AST/5:30 AM AST
[18:33] <deegee> Maaz: thank you kindly
[18:33] <Maaz> no problem, deegee
[18:34] <inetpro> deegee: you in Jeddah?
[18:34] <inetpro> good evening
[18:34] <deegee> inetpro: yes
[18:34] <deegee> good evening inetpro & all
[18:35] <deegee> inetpro: i'm back thursday
[18:35] <deegee> inetpro: how have you been?
[18:35] <inetpro> deegee: am good thanks
[18:36]  * inetpro enjoyed a bit of fresh air today at school athletics
[18:36] <deegee> inetpro: kwl.
[18:36] <deegee> inetpro: r u back @ work?
[18:37] <inetpro> deegee: yep, been back since last week already
[18:37]  * deegee thinks work sucks.
[18:38] <deegee> inetpro: have you played a bit with Natty?
[18:38]  * deegee is waiting patiently for the galaxy tab...
[18:39] <inetpro> deegee: no
[18:39]  * inetpro is very patient
[18:40]  * superfly doesn't have the bandwidth to do stuff like that
[18:41] <deegee> understood. well there's flaws and most of them are corrected within time.
[18:41] <deegee> superfly: hmmmm... you'll get there sometime soon
[18:41] <inetpro> deegee: I read a blog the other day with someone arguing that with the cost of the galaxy tab you should much get a decent netbook
[18:41] <inetpro> the netbook is so much more flexible 
[18:42] <inetpro> they say if you need a reading device you should much rather get the kindle
[18:42] <deegee> inetpro: i already own an ubuntu maverick netbook!!! i now need a tab
[18:42] <deegee> stuff kindle!
[18:42] <deegee> the TAB is kwl
[18:43] <inetpro> deegee: the TAB and it's OS is very limiting
[18:44] <deegee> inetpro: point taken, but at the end of the day i got a new toy and soon i'll run ubuntu on it 
[18:45]  * inetpro hates the limited battery life on the tabs
[18:45] <inetpro> and for that matter on most modern smartphones
[18:46] <inetpro> BTW, did MTN announce new data deals recently?
[18:46]  * inetpro noticed new ads on TV but just caught the end of it
[18:47] <deegee> inetpro: i have no idea.... being out of the country for some time. sorry!
[18:47] <inetpro> deegee: the TAB sure is a cool device, even if I have to say so myself
[18:47] <deegee> inetpro: does their site say something about the promo?
[18:48] <deegee> inetpro: lol
[18:48] <deegee> inetpro: TAB is a great  device.
[18:49] <deegee> like i said, i had doubts on the netbook when i got it but i enjoyed it as soon as i installed ubuntu on it
[18:49] <deegee> something might come up for the TAB's
[18:50] <inetpro> deegee: I have seen guys blog about ubuntu on the iPad
[18:51] <deegee> inetpro: hmmm.... that might have sparked an idea on the handhelds....
[18:51] <inetpro> ubuntu is just not ready for the telephony as far as I can see
[18:52]  * deegee will checkout the ubuntuforums for that info on the iPad's & TAB's
[18:52] <deegee> inetpro: is that for real? they not ready?
[18:52] <superfly> inetpro: Maemo is :-P
[18:53] <deegee> superfly: will Maemo be compatible for the TAB?
[18:54] <superfly> deegee: Maemo sadly is pretty much no more... but MeeGo, Maemo's successor, should be
[18:55] <deegee> superfly: tnx, will google the info further then...
[18:55] <superfly> well, depends on the hardware, of course, but it should be just a case of getting the drivers
[18:56]  * deegee notes on the rednotebook... for tomorrow
[18:56] <Morganvd> meego works on most
[18:56] <inetpro> deegee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1392368
[18:56] <Morganvd> netbooks
[18:56] <Morganvd> i have had it on my dell and hp
[18:57] <deegee> superfly: tnx again
[18:57]  * inetpro tried running meego on virtualbox the other day
[18:57] <Morganvd> meego take getting used to
[18:57] <deegee> Morganvd: you mean MeeGo or Maemo?
[18:57] <Morganvd> i use ubuntu netbook on mine
[18:57] <Morganvd> MeeGo
[18:57] <inetpro> ran into some issues and put it aside for the moment
[18:57] <deegee> Morganvd: tnx
[18:58] <superfly> deegee: Maemo was written for Nokia's N800 and N900 series devices
[18:58] <Morganvd> version 1.1 is here
[18:58] <Morganvd> next release is april i think
[18:59] <deegee> so then if the TAB is not ready as yet, then i might look at the n900 as an alternative?
[18:59] <Morganvd> yeah MeeGo is mainly run by intel and Nokia
[18:59] <inetpro> deegee: and even on the ipad forums they're talking about ubuntu
[18:59] <inetpro> http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-hacking/357-ubuntu-ipad.html
[19:01] <inetpro> deegee: IMHO I don't think you can compare the TAB directly with the n900
[19:01] <inetpro> but the n900 sure looks like a very cool device as well
[19:02] <deegee> inetpro: that is very true to not compare the 2
[19:02] <deegee> i was refering to something to have instead of the other
[19:02]  * inetpro would love to have both devices for a month at a time before making a decision to purchase any one of them
[19:04] <deegee> lol
[19:04] <deegee> inetpro: that's a very cool idea
[19:04] <inetpro> in fact I think any geek with a few spare bucks could be living in a dream world these days
[19:04] <inetpro> so many new devices lining up behind each other all the time
[19:05] <inetpro> or should I rather say any gadget geek
[19:06] <Morganvd> geek gadget geek whats the diffrence i drule every day at the new toys out
[19:09] <inetpro> Morganvd: some geeks enjoy to push the limits with devices purchased with hard earned cash
[19:09] <Morganvd> true
[19:10] <Morganvd> i love the new stuff but somethings are just out of price range
[19:10]  * inetpro agrees with Morganvd
[19:11] <wedwo-> haha, I'm still drooling over p4's
[19:12] <Morganvd> october my company laptop is up for upgrade
[19:12] <Morganvd> im going for the mac book pro
[19:14] <deegee> Morganvd: good for you...
[19:15] <deegee> in a laymans term, the TAB is not ideal for now?
[19:16] <Morganvd> im not a fan of the TAB
[19:16] <Morganvd> i like my netbook more
[19:16] <deegee> Morganvd: noted.
[19:16] <Morganvd> TAB is a 7inch cell phone on steriods
[19:16] <superfly> ugh... OS X
[19:16] <deegee> huh!
[19:17] <deegee> hence imentioned on laymans terms....!
[19:17] <Morganvd> superfly: ?
[19:17] <superfly> Morganvd: I worked on OS X for a year... couldn't stand it
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[19:17] <Morganvd> hey Kilos 
[19:17] <deegee> Kilos: wb
[19:18] <Kilos> hi guys you all well
[19:18] <Kilos> ty
[19:18] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:18] <Morganvd> superfly i dont know if ill keep OS X on it
[19:19] <deegee> ubuntu runs on the macBook...
[19:19] <Morganvd> it does
[19:19] <Morganvd> i just love the shape and the power of how a mac is built
[19:19] <inetpro> Two charged over iPad hacking on AT&T network http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70H3BH20110118
[19:19] <Morganvd> superfly: btw try this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/ubuntu-izing-kubuntu-ambiance-style/
[19:20] <superfly> Morganvd: I don't want Ubuntu's look and feel, actually... I prefer KDE's themes
[19:20] <Morganvd> i might use kubuntu after all
[19:20] <deegee> inetpro: are you an iPad fan?
[19:21] <inetpro> deegee: nope, but the hardware certainly is ahead in the race
[19:21] <Morganvd> superfly: i mean have you seen the screenies
[19:21] <Kilos> do any of you have probs getting a usb flash to boot with an iso on it
[19:21] <superfly> Morganvd: looking now
[19:21] <Kilos> i have tried a custom iso and the maverick startup disk option but it wont boot
[19:21] <deegee> Kilos: not me, i had success booting up always
[19:21] <superfly> Kilos: if there's an ISO on it, then it won't boot... if the ISO has been converted to work on a USB stick, then I don't know
[19:22] <Morganvd> Kilos:  there has been issues with startup disk creator on mavr
[19:22] <Kilos> oh
[19:22] <Morganvd> i used unetbooten
[19:22] <Morganvd> and have had no issues
[19:23] <Kilos> i have just tried unetbootin and same thing
[19:23] <Kilos> pc just hangs when it should boot
[19:23] <deegee> Morganvd: i used USB for maverick and worked all the time...
[19:23] <Morganvd> when last have you updated
[19:23] <Kilos> yesterday
[19:23] <deegee> now i'm on natty USB
[19:23] <Kilos> i wonder if the pc is not happy doing it
[19:24] <Morganvd> deegee: i think you missing the point when using mav to right a img to usb we have been getting random errors
[19:24] <Kilos> in bios it shows the usb
[19:24] <deegee> Morganvd: ok.
[19:24] <Morganvd> Kilos: do you tell the machine to boot from usb Kilos 
[19:25] <Kilos> yes as first boot device
[19:25] <Morganvd> my dell is F12 and my HP its F9
[19:25] <deegee> inetpro: what would you suggest on the topic; on toys/
[19:26] <Kilos> or is there a way to write an iso to multiple cd's
[19:26] <deegee> s/toys//toy?
[19:26] <Kilos> i got a 830 custom iso and cd only wants 700m
[19:26]  * deegee needs some research on the new toys...
[19:27] <deegee> Kilos: can't you write it on a dvd?
[19:27] <inetpro> deegee: I would wait a bit, unless you have a few savings 
[19:27] <Kilos> no dvd . pc too slow
[19:27] <Kilos> eish
[19:27] <deegee> Kilos: ok, sorry
[19:28] <Kilos> ty guys. carry on
[19:28] <deegee> inetpro: understood....
[19:28] <superfly> deegee: if you want a toy, either an N900, or the MeeGo successor to the N900 (whatever that may be)
[19:29] <inetpro> superfly: I just wish the successor would be announced soon
[19:29] <deegee> superfly: thank you kindly  for the info.
[19:29] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, me too
[19:29]  * deegee will wait for now
[19:29] <superfly> the N8 is an *awesome* phone, except for one thing... it runs Symbian
[19:30]  * inetpro agrees with superfly
[19:31] <deegee> superfly: and the n900 runs?
[19:31] <superfly> Maemo
[19:31] <superfly> Debian derivative
[19:31] <deegee> i get the drift
[19:32]  * superfly compiled and installed his IRC client, Quassel, on his phone
[19:32] <drubin> yum yum
[19:32] <deegee> but does it mean Symbian is not that great of an OS?
[19:32] <drubin> deegee: NO symbian is a horrid horrid bad OS
[19:32] <superfly> deegee: from a user's perspective, it's OK
[19:33] <deegee> drubin: kwl. and andriod?
[19:33] <drubin> android is ok.
[19:33] <superfly> but I like being able to actually hack on my phone, without needing to jailbreak or root it
[19:33] <deegee> understood
[19:33] <drubin> superfly: Well not exactly you would never get decent apps for Symbian phones
[19:34] <superfly> drubin: well, Nokia's S60 and S90 versions there are apps for, but I had a UIQ3 version on my old SE m600, and there were *NO* apps for it
[19:34] <inetpro> drubin: most users are still happy with the little they have on their Symbian phones
[19:34] <deegee> the TAB is running android.
[19:37] <deegee> @ the end of the day, i want to see myself using a device/handheld with something that makes me happy.
[19:37] <deegee> whether meego or whatever free/opensource.... 
[19:38] <inetpro> the thing that bugs me with these modern smartphones is that in the end it still is a phone
[19:38] <drubin> true
[19:39] <inetpro> if you depend on the phone functionality you can not really afford to hack to much around with it
[19:40] <deegee> inetpro: true
[19:41] <deegee> i opt for the TAB because i really don' want the voice functionality on it, only data
[19:41] <deegee> i have phones, and i'm very happy with them.
[19:42] <deegee> s/don'/don't
[19:43] <deegee> i'm also happy with my netbook.
[19:44] <deegee> superfly: what device are you using? just curious.
[19:44] <deegee> phone i meant.
[19:45] <superfly> deegee: Ah. I have a Nokia N900
[19:45] <deegee> kwl
[19:45] <superfly> very
[19:46] <superfly> inetpro: btw, the N900 is actually officially marketed as an Internet tablet
[19:46] <inetpro> superfly: nice
[19:46] <deegee> superfly: would you explain that?
[19:47] <deegee> "internet tablet"
[19:47] <superfly> deegee: a good few years ago nokia brought out the N800, which has no phone whatsoever
[19:47] <deegee> ok
[19:48] <superfly> it runs/ran Maemo (version 2 or 3 or something) and was solely meant as a small internet-enabled device
[19:48] <deegee> ok
[19:48] <superfly> the N900 is a progression of that device, so it now includes a phone ;-)
[19:48] <deegee> kwl
[19:48] <superfly> http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2010/11/07/first-impressions-nokia-n900
[19:48] <superfly> http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2010/11/08/first-impressions-nokia-n900-part-2
[19:49] <deegee> superfly: tnx
[19:53] <deegee> superfly: what would you suggest; TAB or n900 or wait?
[19:53] <deegee> sorry for being a pain
[19:53] <superfly> deegee: it really depends on what you want to get out of the device
[19:53] <superfly> I *really* wanted the N900
[19:54] <superfly> Android devices look really great, and I'd recommend them to my non-geeky friends
[19:54] <superfly> if you're a developer geek like me, you'd probably want a little more out of your device than what Android can offer, which is why I love my phone so much
[19:54] <deegee> thing is i don't want a phone functionality anymore on the device
[19:55] <superfly> it gives me that ability and that power, and you can see Nokia made it a developer's phone
[19:55] <superfly> deegee: then you don't want the N900
[19:55] <superfly> not sure you want the TAB either though
[19:56] <superfly> bit if you want something like the iPad, then get the TAB, I've heard people say that they want to sell their iPad after buying a TAB
[19:56] <deegee> hence i say; i should do some research an check what's kwl
[19:56] <deegee> i want to keep my toys
[19:56]  * deegee like having toys of all kinds ...
[19:57] <superfly> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1955
[19:58]  * deegee chex the link...
[19:58] <drubin> the galexy tablet looks cheap though
[19:58]  * drubin got to play with one 2 days ago
[19:58] <deegee> drubin: very cheap...
[19:59] <drubin> the screen isn
[19:59] <drubin> isn't compareable though
[20:01] <deegee> np with screen. thing is; the more advance you are the better you are 1 step ahead ...
[20:07] <sakhi_> http://www.zenoss.com/in/wp_gartner_magic_quadrant.html
[20:09]  * sakhi_ eish another 4 runs for India.
[20:09]  * sakhi_ yes yes yes ;)
[20:11]  * deegee needs some sleep.
[20:11] <deegee> Maaz: time jeddah saudi arabia
[20:11] <Maaz> deegee: Huh?
[20:12] <deegee> Maaz: time jeddah saudi
[20:12] <Maaz> deegee: What?
[20:12] <deegee> Maaz: time jiddah
[20:12] <Maaz> deegee: Sorry...
[20:15] <deegee> it's 23h18 in jiddah, nite all
[20:15] <Kilos> night deegee 
[20:35] <drubin> gnite
[20:36] <Kilos> night all sleep tight