[08:30] <didrocks> good morning
[09:00] <kvalo> didrocks: bonjour
[09:00] <didrocks> kvalo: hey! how are you?
[09:00] <kvalo> didrocks: I'm good, thanks. how about you?
[09:01] <didrocks> kvalo: I'm fine, thankss ;)
[09:01] <MacSlow> hey didrocks
[09:02] <didrocks> Guten Morgen MacSlow
[09:42] <kamstrup> is there some switch to make grep match regexes across line breaks?
[09:44] <\sh> kamstrup: afaik grep only works on single lines...
[09:44] <kamstrup> ok, good ol' Python to the rescue then :-)
[09:45] <\sh> kamstrup: perl could be a bit easier for regexps ;)
[09:45]  * kamstrup is not compatible with perl ;-)
[09:47] <\sh> kamstrup: lol
[09:47]  * didrocks install kamstrup-perl5 binding
[09:47] <kamstrup> aha! so that's the thing I am missing!
[10:54] <\sh> ogra: got my mail?
[10:54] <\sh> didrocks: todays unity somehow gives me "launcher -> right click on icon of running app -> launcher disappears" ;)
[10:54] <ogra> \sh, yeah, thanks a lot ... my maverick to natty upgrade is still running (16h now)
[10:55] <\sh> ogra: when you need i386 builds...raise your hand ;)
[10:55]  * ogra is getting really annoyed by the kbd selection dialog
[10:55] <\sh> ogra: yeah this kdb debconf questioning is really bad
[10:56] <ogra> and my kernel cant be installed too
[10:56] <didrocks> \ßis it crashing?
[10:56] <didrocks> \sh: ^^
[10:56] <ogra> lol
[10:57] <ogra> \sh, you should highlight on \ß
[10:57] <\sh> didrocks: no..it just disappears or something is drawing over the launcher because hte ubuntu symbol in the upper left edge goes away too
[10:58] <\sh> didrocks: are you using a german keyboard ? ;)
[10:58] <didrocks> \sh: no, a plain azerty one, but I have a special keymapping for … and other funny stuff :)
[10:59] <\sh> ogra: I wanted to change my nick from \sh to \sa but I was troubled 'cause of some german problems with that abbreviation ;)
[10:59] <ogra> heh, yeah
[11:01] <\sh> or I change it to "sadiq" (which is wrong from my last name now, but translates into a good islamic name [http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=sadiq])
[11:16] <kvalo> smspillaz: hey. I'm about to do that 'compiz --replace > file' you asked yesterday. is it ok to run it from vt or from X?
[11:16] <kvalo> smspillaz: also, anything else I should try?
[11:18] <smspillaz> kvalo: I've reproduced the bug here, no need to worry
[11:18] <smspillaz> unfortunatly every single freaking bug has decided to reproduce itself here as well
[11:19] <kvalo> smspillaz: good that you can reproduce it
[11:19] <smspillaz> or bad
[11:58] <ogra> didrocks, so, metacity rebuilt with the patch, compiz rebuilt against the new lib, all working fine
[11:58] <ogra> is there any specific area of functionallity i should check ?
[11:58] <didrocks> ogra: nice, go ahead then! commit to the vcs and push
[11:58] <didrocks> ogra: well, if unity is working, with decoration and such, I think it's ok
[11:59] <ogra> ok, yeah, all decorations are there
[11:59] <didrocks> like maximizing an app removes the decoration, you still get them if you unmaximize them
[11:59] <ogra> maximized and normal
[11:59] <ogra> yep
[11:59] <didrocks> ok, sounds good :)
[11:59] <ogra> i didnt recognize any change in behavior
[11:59] <ogra> great
[11:59] <\sh> didrocks: btw..any timeframe when places are coming back? ;)
[11:59] <didrocks> ogra: use the two vcs and push
[11:59] <ogra> ok
[11:59]  * ogra wishes he had a logout menu :P
[12:00] <didrocks> \sh: they will be there for alpha2, so soon :)
[12:00] <didrocks> ogra: I've other pending change in compiz, wait, pushing
[12:00] <ogra> no hurry
[12:00] <ogra> i need to care for metacity first anyway
[12:00] <didrocks> ogra: pushed in lp:compiz
[12:00] <didrocks> ogra: just ensure you add the breaks:
[12:00] <ogra> uploading compiz before thats in the archive wont make sense
[12:01] <ogra> uh, breaks ? against what ?
[12:01] <ogra> older lib version you mean ?
[12:01] <didrocks> ogra: well, metacity should breaks: against the current compiz
[12:01] <ogra> ok
[12:01] <didrocks> as if you don't rebuild it, it will clash
[12:01] <ogra> yep
[12:02] <ogra> metacity is lp:~ubuntu-desktop/metacity/ubuntu ??
[12:02] <didrocks> ogra: you got it :)
[12:02] <ogra> great
[12:05] <ogra> didrocks, the breaks goes only into libmetacity-private0, right, no need for other breaks entries
[12:07] <didrocks> ogra: exactly, as the library isn't so "private" :p
[12:07] <ogra> hehe
[12:16] <ogra> didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/metacity/ubuntu/revision/99 can you do a quick crosscheck before i upload ?
[12:16] <ogra> uuuh
[12:16]  * ogra forgot bzr add
[12:17] <didrocks> "classic" :-)
[12:17] <ogra> me adds and pushes rev 100
[12:18] <ogra> the rest is in 99
[12:18]  * didrocks looks
[12:20] <didrocks> ogra: sounds good!
[12:20] <didrocks> please upload :)
[12:20] <ogra> great, i'll upload and take care of compiz (unless you upload anyway inbetween)
[12:20] <didrocks> ogra: I can upload the rebuild, I'll remove an option and dep on the new version
[12:21] <ogra> ok
[13:00] <ogra> didrocks, wheer the heck do you hide the gconf and .session files ? i cant find a -default-settings package anywhere in natty
[13:00]  * ogra is looking into renaming the session file etc 
[13:01] <didrocks> ogra: it's in gnome-session-common now
[13:01] <ogra> ah
[13:01] <didrocks> ogra: you should put that as part of the unity-2d package I think
[13:01] <ogra> well, we have unity-2d-default-settings
[13:02] <ogra> i'd like to not break away to much from the oem team naming so upgrading for people using the ppa doesnt get to hard
[13:02] <ogra> (read: i planned to keep the package as is for now, we can migrate in natty+1)
[13:05] <didrocks> ogra: as you wish, just ensure that you'll have to transition then :)
[13:06] <ogra> yeah, i'll check with Kaleo ... i just want a sane upgrade path without to many transitional packages
[13:07] <didrocks> ogra: you will need for natty+1 in any case, it's just pushing the transition one cycle away
[13:07] <Kaleo> ogra: I think it's better to upgrade asap
[13:07] <Kaleo> ogra: less people are using natty now than when it's released
[13:08] <ogra> didrocks, yep, Kaleo just told me he plans to do the change in the ppa too
[13:08] <ogra> so i'm fine
[13:08] <didrocks> nice :)
[13:08] <ogra> my main focus is just to keep ppa and natty in sync from now on ...
[13:09] <ogra> (before it was to have -2d installable at all ;) )
[13:10] <ogra> which reminds me, i need to touch all packages to add the new Vcs-Bzr entries :)
[13:10]  * ogra stops slacking and looks at the branches
[13:13] <Kaleo> ogra: item on my todo list:  * packages: update Vcs-Bzr in debian/control for libqtbamf, libqtdee and libqtgconf
[13:14] <Kaleo> ogra: thank you for taking over my tasks I really appreciate it
[13:14] <ogra> haha
[13:14] <Kaleo> (my todo list is huge since Friday)
[13:14] <ogra> my team messed it up, so my team should fix it
[13:14] <ogra> and given that these US westcoast slackers always sleep until 4pm ...
[13:14] <ogra> *g*
[13:15] <ogra> so i'm looking into it
[13:18] <ogra> but first of all ... lets try to upgrade my arm netbook to natty
[13:20] <ogra> ah, crap, wont work without new QT
[13:27] <Kaleo> ogra: don't forget to push the change pof
[13:27] <Kaleo> ogra: don't forget to push the change of Vcs-Bzr to their respective trunks
[13:31] <ogra> Kaleo, hmm, something is wrong with libqtbamf ... its a native sourcepackage
[13:31] <ogra> (in the ppa)
[13:31] <ogra> i'm just recompiling the ppa stuff locally for arm
[13:34] <nq6> hi
[13:34] <nq6> New idea for unity. Video Sample. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N5W48zJMdM
[13:34] <ogra> Kaleo, the others all look fine, not sure what happened there
[13:35] <ogra> hrm, no, not true, unity-2d too
[13:35] <ogra> is that because of your hudson stuff ?
[13:35] <Kaleo> ogra: yes
[13:36] <ogra> hrm
[13:36] <Kaleo> ogra: it removes the format file before building
[13:36] <ogra> thats really ugly
[13:36] <Kaleo> ogra: just for the ppa
[13:36] <ogra> still
[13:36] <Kaleo> ogra: I don't have any other option at hand
[13:36]  * ogra wishes we could find a way to not break the packaging for daily builds
[13:36]  * Kaleo prays
[13:37] <ogra> you think religion works ? ... hmm :)
[13:37] <Kaleo> lol
[13:37] <Kaleo> kamstrup: thanks for the quick response I will look into it
[13:38] <ogra> i wonder if we cant just put a bzr export ... rm debian tar ... into the reciepe
[13:38] <ogra> so we get a proper upstream tarball
[13:38] <Kaleo> ogra: that sounds smart
[13:53] <Amaranth> nq6: arg, music
[13:53] <Amaranth> nq6: although, I think that overloads the sidebar
[14:07] <ogra> Kaleo, fyi, i can confirm the blue crap is gone on my tegra ac100 with the latest ppa packages
[14:11] <ogra> the bamding is also a lot better in 0.4
[14:12] <ogra> *banding
[14:21] <Kaleo> ogra: sweet
[15:02] <klattimer1> tedg: kenvandine I wont be uploading datetime today, I've had to do some extra work getting eds right and still need to rebase to gdbus and a few more things
[15:04] <tedg> klattimer1, Please don't rebase, but merge.
[15:05] <tedg> klattimer1, Rebase is an evil thing used by inferior DVCSes :)
[15:05] <shirish> sladen: highlight
[15:05] <klattimer1> ok ok
[15:05] <klattimer1> :)
[15:06] <klattimer1> Uh oh
[15:06] <klattimer1> evilvish:
[15:07] <klattimer1> what have you done with vish
[15:07]  * klattimer1 forsee's some kind of superman 3 esq- rescue coming along
[15:07] <evilvish> :-D
[15:13] <shirish> ivanka1: are you the same ivanka whom I had mailed sometime back ?
[15:28] <jcastro> DBO: ping
[15:28] <DBO> pong
[15:28] <jcastro> DBO: wanna do an ubuntu user day on Unity with me?
[15:28] <jcastro> it's on a saturday night though
[15:29] <DBO> sure
[15:29] <DBO> hey, I love working weekends, its like my favorite thing :P
[15:29] <jcastro> it's 1/29, 9pm-10
[15:29] <Amaranth> Oh, it's DBO!
[15:30] <DBO> no its not
[15:30] <DBO> DIRTY LIE
[15:30] <DBO> jcastro, its on my calendar now
[15:30] <Amaranth> DBO: I have to put my mouse on the panel to make the launcher appear when I have intellihide enabled
[15:30] <Amaranth> DBO: This is broken
[15:30] <DBO> Amaranth, you are acting like I design this thing
[15:30] <DBO> thats a very silly way to act
[15:30] <Amaranth> DBO: gord blames you :P
[15:31] <DBO> please take design complaints to the ayatana mailing list
[15:31] <DBO> gord is just passing the buck, like I am, nothing new to see
[15:31] <DBO> I just happen to know where the buck stops :P
[15:31] <Amaranth> DBO: Whenever I complain about something else you say you only handle the launcher :)
[15:32] <DBO> Amaranth, you'd be surprised how handy it can be to complain to the person responsible for what you are complaining about
[15:32] <DBO> :)
[15:32] <gord> i only said to bug DBO because he knows more about it ;)
[15:32] <gord> i'm as bemused as you!
[15:32] <Amaranth> DBO: But you're my go-to guy for complaining
[15:33] <DBO> Amaranth, and thats quite alright for me, because if you complain to me it costs me 30 seconds of time. If you complain to someone with power to change it, it might cost me a lot more dev time.
[15:34] <Amaranth> DBO: You're not making this very fun
[15:34] <DBO> Amaranth, Im having fun
[15:34] <DBO> maybe we need clowns
[15:35] <Amaranth> Clowns are always helpful
[15:41] <jcastro> DBO: this should have been in the last upload right? Bug #688406?
[15:42] <DBO> jcastro, I thought it was fixed earlier but yeah
[15:49] <sladen> shirish: hello
[15:50] <shirish> sladen: finally, but right now doing something else, I would ping you in about 20 odd minutes, is that ok ?
[15:51] <sladen> shirish: anytime
[15:52] <shirish> sladen: Got it done sooner than I expected.
[15:52] <shirish> sladen: Now I don't know how complicated or simple this is gonna be.
[15:54]  * popey tickles DBO under the command of jcastro 
[15:56] <popey> DBO: I'd like to add an icon to the launcher (as I used to add to the panel in Ye Olde GNOME), but I need to specify command line parameters - e.g. "firefox --ProfileManager", how can I do that with the unity launcher? I see no way to edit the entries that exist in that menu.
[15:56] <DBO> popey, the best you can do is make a new .desktop file
[15:56] <DBO> and then make that a favorite
[15:56] <shirish> sladen: this is something I need to figure out first http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/msg01128.html
[15:57] <popey> DBO: there's no way to maintain that menu other than by some magic with a .desktop file?
[15:57] <DBO> popey, currently no
[15:58] <DBO> popey, nobody has asked me to make a change to do that really
[16:00] <popey> DBO: I am guessing a wishlist bug isn't going to help here.
[16:30] <\sh> didrocks: you remember the problem I described this morning? now, gnome-session foo is not started correctly under unity (I have now the default gnome/gtk theme) and now the launcher works
[16:31] <didrocks> \sh: you mean, you have gnome-panel?
[16:32] <\sh> didrocks: well, if that means, that ps -ef|grep gnome-panel gives a match, no
[16:32] <didrocks> \sh: what do you mean by "gnome-session foo is not started correctly under unity"
[16:32] <didrocks> \sh: no theme?
[16:32] <\sh> all icons are not ubuntu theme alike...they are more gnome standard
[16:33] <didrocks> \sh: gnome-settings-daemon is maybe segfaulting
[16:33] <\sh> but now the launcher works with right clicks on the run app icons
[16:33] <didrocks> we have some bugs about that
[16:33] <didrocks> if you logout/login, it should be started again
[16:33] <\sh> at least it runs
[16:33] <didrocks> or you can launch it by hand
[16:33] <\sh> what I mean is gnome-settings-daemon runs
[16:34] <\sh> but what I can see  in .xsession-errors is that gnome.settings-daemon : Unable to start xsettings manager
[16:34] <\sh> and that I can only run one xsettings manager at a time...
[16:35] <\sh> further more: gnome-session: Could not launch application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop" and I/O warning: failed to load entity "/home/<myuser>/.compiz/session/<hash>"
[16:37] <\sh> and a nice assertion meaning "UNITY_IS_ROOT_ACCESSIBLE (self)" failed...
[16:39] <didrocks> \sh: weird, not related to gnome-session in any case
[16:39] <didrocks> \sh: you should try at least to kill it and start it again
[16:40] <\sh> yes..killed settings daemon, restart -> the look we all want
[16:41] <\sh> could it be, I was logged in a ubuntu classic  session and then logged out and reloggedin into unity
[16:43] <didrocks> \sh: well, it will be an interesting gnome-settings-daemon but report if you can reproduce it reliably
[16:43] <\sh> let me start from scratch, reboot login into classic session etc.
[16:52] <\sh> didrocks: as always, not reproducable...*banghead*
[16:52] <didrocks> :/
[17:02] <shoonya> Hi all, i am trying to install unity on Fedora 14. I have got everything required for unity (3.2.8) and unity itself compiled and installed.
[17:02] <shoonya> when i enable unity plugin in ccsm, i get following error
[17:02] <shoonya> GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.Unity.Launcher' is not installed
[17:03] <shoonya> can someone help me resolve this issue
[18:05] <sense> shoonya: Maybe GSettings isn't properly set up on your system.
[18:06] <shoonya> sense: how to set it ?
[18:07] <sense> shoonya: If Fedora 14 is already using GSettings you should check whether Unity's GSettings schemes are already installed.
[18:07] <sense> I don't know how you can install gsettings schemes, you'll have to look that up.
[18:15] <shoonya> gsettings is available in F14. Any idea how to set unity's gsettings ?
[18:17] <seb128> how did you install unity?
[18:17] <seb128> is the unity schemas in usr share glib-2.0 schemas
[18:20] <shoonya> seb128: i installed it manually (created an rpm) and here's the list of files of the unity package
[18:20] <shoonya> http://fpaste.org/5BjE/
[18:21] <seb128> you need to run glib-compile-schemas
[18:21] <seb128> on the schemas dir after install
[18:21] <seb128> not sure if your rpm does that?
[18:21] <shoonya> no, i will run glib-compile-schemas and check
[18:24] <shoonya> tried glib-compile-schemas /etc/gconf/schemas and got the following message
[18:24] <shoonya> No schema files found: doing nothing
[18:29] <seb128> you need to run it on the gsettings directory
[18:30] <seb128> usr share glib-2.0 schemas
[18:34] <shoonya> got it and unity is not working on fedora
[18:34] <seb128> how not working?
[18:34] <seb128> what version did you build? what compiz version do you use?
[18:37] <shoonya> unity = 3.2.8 with compiz = latest git (compiz-with-glib-mainloop)
[18:38] <seb128> what error do you get?
[18:39] <shoonya> oops... typo error i meant to say now working
[18:45] <seb128> ok
[19:07] <achiang> http://twitter.com/#!/havocp/status/27790993600282624
[20:01] <Amaranth> weird, my launcher suddenly has a shadow
[22:26] <TheMuso> tedg: In case you missed the email or you don't get merge proposals via email for indicator-applet-developers, here is my merge proposal for the accessible name change. Feel free to leave it unmerged at this stage, as I want to get everthing else finished fist.
[22:26] <TheMuso> tedg:
[22:26] <TheMuso> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~themuso/libindicator/accessible-name/+merge/46699
[22:27] <TheMuso> damn terminal cut and paste shortcut not working until I use the menu.../
[22:33] <tedg> TheMuso, Yeah, sorry, I saw it but didn't review.  Let me do that now.
[22:33] <TheMuso> np
[22:43] <TheMuso> tedg: Thanks, as I said I'd rather not merge till everything else is ready, thanks for the suggestion, will do that.
[22:43] <tedg> TheMuso, Yeah, no problem.  I won't merge it until you give the green light.
[22:43] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[23:41] <jono_> kenvandine, ping?