apacheloggeroggy oggy oggy00:51
* apachelogger is producing code like a monkey man02:06
JontheEchidnashiny new usage counter w/ LibQZeitgeist: http://i.imgur.com/kO9qy.png03:23
agateau_shadeslayer: sorry, was off yesterdaylate pong08:42
agateau_this keyboard thing is complicated08:42
seiflotfyhi guys10:32
seiflotfyhi apachelogger 10:32
seiflotfyapachelogger, u there?10:32
apacheloggerseiflotfy: ahoy ahoy10:40
seiflotfyapachelogger, we release libqzeitgeist10:40
seiflotfynow real kde development is starting up10:41
seiflotfywe finished a kate plugin that informs zeitgeist about its events10:41
seiflotfyapachelogger, and muon just got a little patch10:41
seiflotfylook at the top right10:41
seiflotfyit tells u how many itmes something was used10:41
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I take it you will bring that goodness into 11.04?10:42
Riddellseiflotfy: anything needing packaging?  filing needs-packaging bugs would be the way to go if so10:44
seiflotfyRiddell, not yet10:45
seiflotfyRiddell, we need devs10:45
seiflotfywe need to create plugin10:45
seiflotfyi was thinking of a history viewer in kate10:45
valorieseiflotfy: as in, how many times a particular person has used Kate, or what?10:49
* valorie isn't understanding the zeitgeist10:49
seiflotfyvalorie, no10:49
seiflotfyvalorie, how many times u used kate10:50
seiflotfyvalorie, i can tell you how many times u opened a document or a website or whatever10:50
seiflotfyvalorie, http://zeitgeist-project.com/10:50
seiflotfylook at Experience10:50
seiflotfythere are exmaples of how we have been deplyoed till now10:50
seiflotfyand I see kubuntu with LOTS of potential tbh10:51
apacheloggerseiflotfy: any ideas how phonon could use zeitgeist and I can have a release tomorrow? ;)10:54
* apachelogger is currently busy with phonon release preps and university10:54
valorieself-knowledge is always good10:54
seiflotfyapachelogger, link me with info about phonon10:55
seiflotfyi can make someting happen today if you want10:55
apacheloggerseiflotfy: it is a multimedia abstraction layer10:56
apacheloggerseiflotfy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(KDE)10:56
valoriethe unexamined life, etc.10:57
seiflotfyapachelogger, well i dont think zeitgeist should have apis depending on it10:58
seiflotfyif an app wants to send something to zeitgeist then it should do it10:58
seiflotfythis way its easy to blacklist10:58
seiflotfybut ofcourse its awesome to have dependencies10:58
apacheloggerwell, phonon knows the app name, so given appropriate api it can do it for the app10:59
seiflotfyapachelogger, does it know when a strea mwas closed too?10:59
apacheloggerwhich in turn enables every phonon enabled application to contribute data to zeitgeist10:59
apacheloggerwithout any app changes10:59
apacheloggerseiflotfy: it knows everything10:59
seiflotfyapachelogger, so it knows when a media file was played, stopped, and closed?10:59
apacheloggerwhen a media was loaded, in what sequence, how many errors occured, when the errors occured...11:00
seiflotfyapachelogger, the error is not interesting11:00
apacheloggerphonon is driving the entire Amarok playback11:00
seiflotfywhat is interesting to me are 3 events11:00
apacheloggerseiflotfy: yeah, just saying ;)11:00
seiflotfy"open file"11:00
seiflotfy"close file"11:00
seiflotfy"stop file"11:00
seiflotfycan i get those11:00
seiflotfyi dont like sharks11:01
apacheloggerneed to look into though, because we need to keep it optional as Phonon is also part of Qt11:01
seiflotfyapachelogger, ok can u join #zeitgeist11:01
seiflotfyand wiat for jpwhiting or abner to pong11:01
seiflotfythey can make it happen in no time11:01
apacheloggerseiflotfy: I am joined already11:02
Tm_Tnixternal: you might like to identify (:11:18
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apacheloggervalorie: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot141.png11:29
Riddellhmm, kdesdk failed on arm due to symbols files11:57
Riddellyofel: did you make the .symbols files with the pkgkde scripts?12:08
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* Riddell packages koffice 2.3.112:22
ulyssesAny weather forecast plasmoid I try to add to the desktop crashes the whole plasma-desktop12:29
ulysses(in natty)12:30
Riddellulysses: can you see if a recompile fixes it?12:40
davmor2ulysses: stop using a widget and look out of the window end of problem ;)12:40
shadeslayeragateau: we had a small rekonq HIG issue, if your around please take a look at http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/100286/s/52/12:44
agateaushadeslayer: taking a look13:05
shadeslayerok :D13:05
shadeslayeragateau: discussing in #kde-usability :)13:05
agateaushadeslayer: ok13:05
ulyssesRiddell: I'll see13:05
steveireRiddell: If I do this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088/comments/11 Do I also have to add the maverick ppa first?13:44
ubottuUbuntu bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Triaged]13:44
steveireSo I add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main13:45
steveire and then do those steps13:45
steveireOr do I also need to do a regular aptitude upgrade too?13:46
Riddellsteveire: well haven't you already added the maverick PPA, that's the whole problem isn't it?13:46
Riddelloh, no13:47
steveireI'm not certain what the problem is :) package issues are not my strong suit13:47
Riddellthe problem is you have the lucid backports PPA13:47
shadeslayerRiddell: i think he has lucid backports13:47
Riddellusing that dist upgrade tool it should add the maverick PPA for you13:47
Riddelland remove the lucid backports PPA13:47
shadeslayerand i put in a newer KDE than maverick in backports13:47
steveireOk, so I'll take out the maverick ppa and then test hte workaround13:48
Riddellsteveire: hmm, you should have kubuntu-ppa/backports  for lucid in there13:49
steveireYou mean I need to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main  ?13:49
steveireAnd then upgrade and then use the workaround tool?13:50
Riddellyou should already have that, that's why you have KDE Platform 4.5 no?13:50
yofelRiddell: I did the symbols files exactly as the debian kde page instructed13:50
steveireI thought deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main  was the reason13:51
steveireI don't already have the backports one13:51
Riddellsteveire: can you pastebin  apt-cache policy kdelibs513:52
steveirehttp://dpaste.com/332575/ Strange13:53
steveireI wouldn't have removed it.13:53
steveireMaybe it was removed by an upgrade?13:53
Riddellsteveire: ah it'll be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/13:53
steveireSo I'll proceed with the upgrade tool in the comment then13:54
Riddellso remove the PPAs from sources.list, keep the backports one in sources.list.d/ and go test that dist upgrade tool branch13:54
steveireOk. Then this is my sources.list http://dpaste.com/332581/ and the bakcports one is still in the sources.list.d/13:56
steveireDidnae work anyway14:05
txwikingerQt default in Ubuntu? What's going on?14:07
shadeslayertxwikinger: not default14:07
shadeslayerjust a extension to write apps in14:07
Riddellsteveire: what doesnae work?14:07
txwikingerok.. standard14:07
shadeslayertrying to make Qt apps look at home in gnome14:07
txwikingerDoes this mean Unity will be based on Qt too?14:08
Riddellshadeslayer: extension to write apps?  if unity-qt gets on the Ubuntu Desktop CD then Qt will be on the Ubuntu Desktop CD14:08
Riddelltxwikinger: unity-qt (unity-2d) is14:08
txwikingerprobably because waysite (or whatever it is called) is more mature for qt14:09
shadeslayerRiddell: uh wait... what happens to GTK then? it stays there ?14:09
steveireRiddell: I updated the bug. Some package I've never herd of conflicts14:10
Riddellshadeslayer: yes, probably two versions of it (unless every programme in Ubuntu Desktop stops depending on GTK)14:10
txwikingerIf Ubuntu gets rid of GTK, I would have less problems using Unity14:10
shadeslayerRiddell: that aint gonna happen anytime soon14:11
Riddellsteveire: hmm, fooey14:13
Riddellno mvo around either it seems14:13
Riddellguess we need to wait14:13
Riddellthanks for trying anyway steveire 14:13
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I don't know about 11.04, but definitely for 11.10. (The change brings new strings and as things are currently going Muon Suite has a 6-month release cycle for 1.x releases...)14:39
JontheEchidnaI am thinking about doing a standalone release of the gst plugin installer with no promises of l10n, etc, before I can include it w/ QApt 1.214:41
* yofel runs14:52
QuintasanJontheEchidna, apachelogger: How about doing a raid on Python devs?14:52
shadeslayerLOL Java14:52
QuintasanJava > Python14:52
shadeslayerQuintasan: Java is more broken than pyth0rn14:52
Quintasan* > Python14:52
shadeslayerit has a main function *inside* a class14:53
shadeslayerthats just retarded14:53
shadeslayerQuintasan: pyth0rn is saner14:53
QuintasanNo way14:53
JontheEchidna(java does main functions in classes too)14:53
QuintasanPython < *14:53
JontheEchidnaoh, you were talking about java14:53
shadeslayerQuintasan: main functions inside classes is retarded14:54
JontheEchidnabut I think with python you can have a main class for each file14:54
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: o_o14:54
Quintasanshadeslayer: at least it works most of the time14:54
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: iDunno, last time I had ill wishes for the Qt office in Brisbane they got record flooding14:54
yofeljava can't overload operators, thus < python14:54
QuintasanJontheEchidna: LOL :D14:54
jjessedon't they have sharks swiming in the streets due to the flooding?14:54
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: basically the same thought as with java's "one main function per class"14:54
JontheEchidnabut at the very least, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to14:56
QuintasanAnd python doesnt work (TM)14:56
JontheEchidnayou could make a totally QVariant-based API with C++, but it doesn't mean you should14:56
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: i just started with Java at uni today14:56
shadeslayerso i can do just "Hello World" atm14:57
yofelshadeslayer: have fun ...14:57
JontheEchidnashadeslayer: I would have started java yesterday but the school was closed due to the snow14:57
shadeslayeryofel: its a basic introductory course14:57
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Due to snow?14:57
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: yessir14:57
shadeslayerso at most ill be doing stuff like Switch cases and stuff14:57
JontheEchidnawe have around half a meter of snow now14:57
yofelshadeslayer: oh, I do hope you'll learn what TCFTC means14:57
Quintasan50cms? lol14:57
JontheEchidnamight be closer to 60 cm now14:58
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: go outside -> place kubuntu CD in snow -> Snow melts due to awesomeness of Kubuntu14:58
JontheEchidnathe snow stopped and last night we got freezing rain14:58
shadeslayeryofel: whats that?14:58
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Here, we would need at least 2m of snow to get school closed14:58
JontheEchidnabut school's back up today14:58
steveireIn a kdevplatform plugin, what's the right way to get a useful KConfig object?14:58
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: in the southern US, all you need is 5 cm14:59
JontheEchidnathen they go "SNOWPOCALYPSE!!!11!!"14:59
jjesseJontheEchidna Quintasan maybe not even that much14:59
QuintasanI don't get it, how can one panic at 5cm of snow?14:59
JontheEchidnatheir cities don't have snow plows because they get snow very infrequently14:59
jjesseno infrastrucutre to deal w/ it14:59
JontheEchidnathey might have lke 214:59
ScottKJontheEchidna: In fairness ths snowpocalypse was about a meter of snow followed by another meter several days later.14:59
yofelshadeslayer: file operations inside a 'try {} catch: {} finally: { try {} catch: {} }' exceptions construct15:00
QuintasanYeah, but 5cms of snow doesn't mean you can't walk or drive a damn car, does it?15:00
jjesseyou woudl be suprised15:00
ScottKQuintasan: If you've never driven in snow before it probably does.  It's a skill that most people in warmer climates don't acquire.15:01
* ScottK has lived enough cold places not to be daunted by the snow, but by the idiots that don't understand that they don't know how to drive in snow.15:01
JontheEchidnaAll I know is that all the teenagers in lowriders in Virginia probably are all dead now15:01
steveireSorry, worng chan15:01
ScottKJontheEchidna: We can only hope.15:02
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: but yeah, timing of the snow is also a big part of if school gets cancelled up north15:02
JontheEchidnait was still snowing yesterday morning, so they cancelled school15:02
JontheEchidnaif it had stopped some time during the night and still snowed the same amount, they might not have cancelled school15:03
JontheEchidnabut places like North Dakota are hardcore15:03
JontheEchidnanothing stops them15:03
Quintasan|Droidyofel: did I kill ur Quassel core?15:05
ScottKQuintasan|Droid: Where can I find your sip package?  I have a long airplane ride today and I might use the time to fiddle with it.15:06
Quintasan|DroidScottK: moment please, I have it but it FTBFS now that I deleted and pasted dh_python3 in the same place15:09
ScottKQuintasan|Droid: I don't leave for the airport for a few hours, so let me know.15:10
QuintasanScottK: uploading, once again, please take a look at debian/rules, the install-arch-3.% part and let me know if it is correct and why on Earth doesnt this work. Please also do debc on the changes file after the build to make sure no python3 files land in python2 packages since this is drving me insane15:29
QuintasanScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/SIP15:34
QuintasanScottK: please not it needs newest python3-defaults, otherwise it will FTBFS too :/15:34
ScottKQuintasan|Droid: Newest as in the one I uploaded for you recently?15:52
QuintasanJontheEchidna: Urgh, this "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" in Muon is still there. muon --nofork --nocrashhandler gives no output15:54
QuintasanIt failed on Package: libc-bin15:54
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: natty?15:54
JontheEchidnabug 680328 trololololo15:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 680328 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "Many postinst scripts fail using either AptDaemon, PackageKit, or QApt" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68032815:55
cmaginai can confirm that issue as well15:55
Quintasanherp derp dpkg15:56
JontheEchidnasomebody from canonical assigned it to the foundations team two weeks ago15:56
QuintasanStill nothing? :D15:56
JontheEchidnaI don't know why it took them so long to notice the bug in the first place15:56
QuintasanScottK: Who knows if there won't be any updates in near future :D I will pester POX until we get this fixed15:57
QuintasanI found two bugs doing only one package15:57
ScottKQuintasan|Droid: OK.  The Python3 stuff is new.  You exercising it is a good thing.15:57
JontheEchidnaperhaps because I didn't nominate it for natty in addition to setting the milestone to natty-alpha-2...15:57
ScottKQuintasan|Droid: The current problems are python3 stuff landing in the python package and empty debug?15:58
QuintasanScottK: files which should be in python3-sip are in python-sip15:58
ScottKAnything else?15:58
Quintasanfiles which should be in python3-sip-dev are in python-sip-dev15:58
Quintasanand dbg is empty15:58
QuintasanPOX figured out the install-arch-3.% stuff but it works only on few files15:59
QuintasanThe rest is still jammed into the wrong packages unfortunately.15:59
QuintasanNCommander: GZ16:46
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stalcupsilly me18:52
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danttidoes someone knows a good channel or someone that I could ask for help on working with a serial device? :P 19:26
releaseloggerwhos got the time to test0r the phonon?19:29
releaseloggerdantti: #legacy for sure :P19:29
danttireleaselogger: lol, is there such channel?19:30
releaseloggerhopefully not19:30
danttireleaselogger: you said you like C (before you like java)19:30
releaseloggerwell, now I like java19:30
danttihave you ever played with serial stuff?19:30
releaseloggerjava is the win!19:30
releaseloggerdantti: nope19:30
* releaselogger is too young for that sort of thing19:31
danttiI'm young too, I'm just trying to make some money :P19:31
danttithis device work some of the time, and some strace shows it blocks on open()19:31
danttibut it I use the non block flag I'll have to rewrite the app19:32
danttiwell I'll need to test this device again now that I read that I can disable hw handshake on serial...19:32
danttiinteresting :P19:33
danttitotally OT from kpk hehe19:33
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ScottK-droidQuintasan: Move the install-arch-3.% rule above install-arch% in debian/rules20:51
releaseloggeris it just me or is dolphin in rc2 all sorts of stupid?23:18
releaseloggerbreaking ever so often here23:18
releaseloggerdoesnt start and what not23:18
* releaselogger dances with Quintasan23:20
ari-tczewreleaselogger: are you in "Blue Oyster" club? :>23:42
releaseloggerari-tczew: what is that?23:43
ari-tczewreleaselogger: ah, did you watch film "Police academy" ?23:43
* releaselogger only watches facebook23:44
ari-tczewreleaselogger: ok, then this is gay club in this film23:44
releaseloggerari-tczew: still don't understand the question23:45
releaseloggermaybe I should have consumed more wine23:45
releaseloggerbut yes, I am gay :P23:46
releaseloggernot that that would have been the reason I danced with Quintasan23:46
* releaselogger was just seeing if Quintasan was around to annoy him with neon questions23:46
ari-tczewreleaselogger: ok I'm just making sure :)23:46
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* yofel does something potentially stupid23:51
yofelreleaselogger: got neon questions?23:51
releaseloggeryofel: a) do you haz phonon yet b) when will it be ready? c) if !b what is the hold up?23:51
yofelblog is held up by me fighting akonadi which is driving me crazy23:52
releaseloggerwhile I am at it... phonon 4.4.4 tars are around if you want to package them or stuff23:52
yofelphonon: we have phonon, phonon-vlc, and phonon-gst | all completely untested23:52
releaseloggeruntested is cool :D23:52
* releaselogger remembers the days when akonadi was utter crap rather than slightly undeployable23:52
yofelmeaning: I am pretty sure the backends are installed, I just hope it actually pics them up ^^23:52
releaseloggergood times those were23:52
releaseloggeryofel: shoud work fine, the only problem you could have is that it is picking up the qt plugins if those are in the neon search path for qt plugins at all...23:53
yofeldpgk -L project-neon-qt | grep phonon comes up empty, actually I'm pretty sure we don't even build that23:54
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releaseloggerok, should work just fine then23:55
releaseloggeryofel: so, when is neon going public?23:55
yofelhm - it does say phonon GStreamer backend 4.4.4 in the neon phonon settings23:55
releaseloggersounds about right23:56
releaseloggershould be 4.4.5+git tomorrow ;)23:56
releaseloggeror something like that23:56
yofelreleaselogger: somewhere soon I hope - akonadi doesn't work, bindings are missing, and I didn't work out the usage instructions yet23:57
yofelit doesn't error out on every corner if you login though - which is progress23:57
releaseloggerbindings are not that important for starts I would say23:57
yofelyeah, until we get python stuff to work it'll be 30°C outside23:58
yofelfeel free to hang out in #project-neon again as long as you don't annoy Quintasan :P23:59
yofelwe even got ourselves a CIA bot :D23:59
releaseloggernah, I do not like being kicked by minions :P23:59

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