[00:51] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[02:06]  * apachelogger is producing code like a monkey man
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> shiny new usage counter w/ LibQZeitgeist: http://i.imgur.com/kO9qy.png
[08:42] <agateau_> shadeslayer: sorry, was off yesterdaylate pong
[08:42] <agateau_> arf
[08:42] <agateau_> this keyboard thing is complicated
[10:32] <seiflotfy> hi guys
[10:32] <seiflotfy> :)
[10:32] <seiflotfy> hi apachelogger 
[10:32] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, u there?
[10:40] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: ahoy ahoy
[10:40] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, we release libqzeitgeist
[10:41] <seiflotfy> now real kde development is starting up
[10:41] <seiflotfy> we finished a kate plugin that informs zeitgeist about its events
[10:41] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, and muon just got a little patch
[10:41] <seiflotfy> http://i.imgur.com/kO9qy.png
[10:41] <seiflotfy> look at the top right
[10:41] <seiflotfy> it tells u how many itmes something was used
[10:42] <apachelogger> groovy
[10:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I take it you will bring that goodness into 11.04?
[10:44] <Riddell> seiflotfy: anything needing packaging?  filing needs-packaging bugs would be the way to go if so
[10:45] <seiflotfy> Riddell, not yet
[10:45] <seiflotfy> Riddell, we need devs
[10:45] <seiflotfy> we need to create plugin
[10:45] <seiflotfy> i was thinking of a history viewer in kate
[10:49] <valorie> seiflotfy: as in, how many times a particular person has used Kate, or what?
[10:49]  * valorie isn't understanding the zeitgeist
[10:49] <seiflotfy> valorie, no
[10:50] <seiflotfy> valorie, how many times u used kate
[10:50] <seiflotfy> valorie, i can tell you how many times u opened a document or a website or whatever
[10:50] <valorie> useful!
[10:50] <seiflotfy> valorie, http://zeitgeist-project.com/
[10:50] <seiflotfy> look at Experience
[10:50] <seiflotfy> there are exmaples of how we have been deplyoed till now
[10:51] <seiflotfy> and I see kubuntu with LOTS of potential tbh
[10:54] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: any ideas how phonon could use zeitgeist and I can have a release tomorrow? ;)
[10:54]  * apachelogger is currently busy with phonon release preps and university
[10:54] <valorie> nice
[10:54] <valorie> self-knowledge is always good
[10:55] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, link me with info about phonon
[10:55] <seiflotfy> i can make someting happen today if you want
[10:56] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: it is a multimedia abstraction layer
[10:56] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(KDE)
[10:57] <valorie> the unexamined life, etc.
[10:58] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, well i dont think zeitgeist should have apis depending on it
[10:58] <seiflotfy> if an app wants to send something to zeitgeist then it should do it
[10:58] <seiflotfy> this way its easy to blacklist
[10:58] <seiflotfy> but ofcourse its awesome to have dependencies
[10:59] <apachelogger> well, phonon knows the app name, so given appropriate api it can do it for the app
[10:59] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, does it know when a strea mwas closed too?
[10:59] <apachelogger> which in turn enables every phonon enabled application to contribute data to zeitgeist
[10:59] <apachelogger> without any app changes
[10:59] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: it knows everything
[10:59] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, so it knows when a media file was played, stopped, and closed?
[11:00] <apachelogger> when a media was loaded, in what sequence, how many errors occured, when the errors occured...
[11:00] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, the error is not interesting
[11:00] <apachelogger> phonon is driving the entire Amarok playback
[11:00] <seiflotfy> what is interesting to me are 3 events
[11:00] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: yeah, just saying ;)
[11:00] <seiflotfy> "open file"
[11:00] <seiflotfy> "close file"
[11:00] <seiflotfy> "stop file"
[11:00] <seiflotfy> can i get those
[11:00] <seiflotfy> ?
[11:00] <apachelogger> hai
[11:01] <seiflotfy> hai?
[11:01] <apachelogger> yes
[11:01] <seiflotfy> i dont like sharks
[11:01] <seiflotfy> :P
[11:01] <seiflotfy> AWESOOOOOOOOOOOOOME
[11:01] <apachelogger> lolz
[11:01] <apachelogger> need to look into though, because we need to keep it optional as Phonon is also part of Qt
[11:01] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, ok can u join #zeitgeist
[11:01] <seiflotfy> and wiat for jpwhiting or abner to pong
[11:01] <seiflotfy> they can make it happen in no time
[11:01] <seiflotfy> :)
[11:02] <apachelogger> seiflotfy: I am joined already
[11:18] <Tm_T> nixternal: you might like to identify (:
[11:29] <apachelogger> valorie: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot141.png
[11:57] <Riddell> hmm, kdesdk failed on arm due to symbols files
[12:08] <Riddell> yofel: did you make the .symbols files with the pkgkde scripts?
[12:18] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4.2-rc-1
[12:22]  * Riddell packages koffice 2.3.1
[12:29] <ulysses> Any weather forecast plasmoid I try to add to the desktop crashes the whole plasma-desktop
[12:30] <ulysses> (in natty)
[12:40] <Riddell> ulysses: can you see if a recompile fixes it?
[12:40] <davmor2> ulysses: stop using a widget and look out of the window end of problem ;)
[12:44] <shadeslayer> agateau: we had a small rekonq HIG issue, if your around please take a look at http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/100286/s/52/
[13:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: taking a look
[13:05] <shadeslayer> ok :D
[13:05] <shadeslayer> agateau: discussing in #kde-usability :)
[13:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: ok
[13:05] <ulysses> Riddell: I'll see
[13:44] <steveire> Riddell: If I do this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088/comments/11 Do I also have to add the maverick ppa first?
[13:45] <steveire> So I add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[13:45] <steveire>  and then do those steps
[13:46] <steveire> Or do I also need to do a regular aptitude upgrade too?
[13:46] <Riddell> steveire: well haven't you already added the maverick PPA, that's the whole problem isn't it?
[13:47] <Riddell> oh, no
[13:47] <steveire> I'm not certain what the problem is :) package issues are not my strong suit
[13:47] <Riddell> the problem is you have the lucid backports PPA
[13:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think he has lucid backports
[13:47] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:47] <steveire> Yeah.
[13:47] <Riddell> using that dist upgrade tool it should add the maverick PPA for you
[13:47] <Riddell> and remove the lucid backports PPA
[13:47] <shadeslayer> and i put in a newer KDE than maverick in backports
[13:48] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/332560/
[13:48] <steveire> Ok, so I'll take out the maverick ppa and then test hte workaround
[13:49] <Riddell> steveire: hmm, you should have kubuntu-ppa/backports  for lucid in there
[13:49] <steveire> You mean I need to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main  ?
[13:50] <steveire> And then upgrade and then use the workaround tool?
[13:50] <Riddell> you should already have that, that's why you have KDE Platform 4.5 no?
[13:50] <yofel> Riddell: I did the symbols files exactly as the debian kde page instructed
[13:51] <steveire> I thought deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main  was the reason
[13:51] <steveire> I don't already have the backports one
[13:52] <Riddell> steveire: can you pastebin  apt-cache policy kdelibs5
[13:53] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/332575/ Strange
[13:53] <steveire> I wouldn't have removed it.
[13:53] <steveire> Maybe it was removed by an upgrade?
[13:53] <Riddell> steveire: ah it'll be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:54] <steveire> correct
[13:54] <steveire> So I'll proceed with the upgrade tool in the comment then
[13:54] <Riddell> so remove the PPAs from sources.list, keep the backports one in sources.list.d/ and go test that dist upgrade tool branch
[13:56] <steveire> Ok. Then this is my sources.list http://dpaste.com/332581/ and the bakcports one is still in the sources.list.d/
[13:59] <Riddell> lovely
[14:05] <steveire> Didnae work anyway
[14:07] <txwikinger> Qt default in Ubuntu? What's going on?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: not default
[14:07] <shadeslayer> just a extension to write apps in
[14:07] <Riddell> steveire: what doesnae work?
[14:07] <txwikinger> ok.. standard
[14:07] <shadeslayer> trying to make Qt apps look at home in gnome
[14:08] <txwikinger> Does this mean Unity will be based on Qt too?
[14:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: extension to write apps?  if unity-qt gets on the Ubuntu Desktop CD then Qt will be on the Ubuntu Desktop CD
[14:08] <Riddell> txwikinger: unity-qt (unity-2d) is
[14:09] <txwikinger> interesting
[14:09] <txwikinger> probably because waysite (or whatever it is called) is more mature for qt
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh wait... what happens to GTK then? it stays there ?
[14:10] <steveire> Riddell: I updated the bug. Some package I've never herd of conflicts
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, probably two versions of it (unless every programme in Ubuntu Desktop stops depending on GTK)
[14:10] <txwikinger> If Ubuntu gets rid of GTK, I would have less problems using Unity
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that aint gonna happen anytime soon
[14:13] <Riddell> steveire: hmm, fooey
[14:13] <Riddell> no mvo around either it seems
[14:13] <Riddell> guess we need to wait
[14:13] <Riddell> thanks for trying anyway steveire 
[14:15] <steveire> Sure
[14:17] <jjesse_> morning
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I don't know about 11.04, but definitely for 11.10. (The change brings new strings and as things are currently going Muon Suite has a 6-month release cycle for 1.x releases...)
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking about doing a standalone release of the gst plugin installer with no promises of l10n, etc, before I can include it w/ QApt 1.2
[14:51] <Quintasan> RAGE
[14:52]  * yofel runs
[14:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, apachelogger: How about doing a raid on Python devs?
[14:52] <shadeslayer> LOL Java
[14:52] <Quintasan> Java > Python
[14:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Java is more broken than pyth0rn
[14:52] <Quintasan> * > Python
[14:53] <shadeslayer> it has a main function *inside* a class
[14:53] <shadeslayer> thats just retarded
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pyth0rn is saner
[14:53] <Quintasan> :/
[14:53] <Quintasan> No way
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> (java does main functions in classes too)
[14:53] <Quintasan> Python < *
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, you were talking about java
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: main functions inside classes is retarded
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> but I think with python you can have a main class for each file
[14:54] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: o_o
[14:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: at least it works most of the time
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: iDunno, last time I had ill wishes for the Qt office in Brisbane they got record flooding
[14:54] <yofel> java can't overload operators, thus < python
[14:54] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: LOL :D
[14:54] <jjesse> don't they have sharks swiming in the streets due to the flooding?
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: basically the same thought as with java's "one main function per class"
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> but at the very least, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to
[14:56] <Quintasan> And python doesnt work (TM)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> you could make a totally QVariant-based API with C++, but it doesn't mean you should
[14:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i just started with Java at uni today
[14:57] <shadeslayer> so i can do just "Hello World" atm
[14:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: have fun ...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I would have started java yesterday but the school was closed due to the snow
[14:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: its a basic introductory course
[14:57] <Quintasan> LOL
[14:57] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Due to snow?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yessir
[14:57] <Quintasan> ...
[14:57] <shadeslayer> so at most ill be doing stuff like Switch cases and stuff
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> we have around half a meter of snow now
[14:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh, I do hope you'll learn what TCFTC means
[14:57] <Quintasan> 50cms? lol
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> might be closer to 60 cm now
[14:58] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: go outside -> place kubuntu CD in snow -> Snow melts due to awesomeness of Kubuntu
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> the snow stopped and last night we got freezing rain
[14:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: whats that?
[14:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Here, we would need at least 2m of snow to get school closed
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> but school's back up today
[14:58] <steveire> In a kdevplatform plugin, what's the right way to get a useful KConfig object?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: in the southern US, all you need is 5 cm
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> then they go "SNOWPOCALYPSE!!!11!!"
[14:59] <jjesse> JontheEchidna Quintasan maybe not even that much
[14:59] <Quintasan> I don't get it, how can one panic at 5cm of snow?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> their cities don't have snow plows because they get snow very infrequently
[14:59] <jjesse> no infrastrucutre to deal w/ it
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> they might have lke 2
[14:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: In fairness ths snowpocalypse was about a meter of snow followed by another meter several days later.
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> true
[15:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: file operations inside a 'try {} catch: {} finally: { try {} catch: {} }' exceptions construct
[15:00] <Quintasan> Yeah, but 5cms of snow doesn't mean you can't walk or drive a damn car, does it?
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> ahahaha
[15:00] <jjesse> you woudl be suprised
[15:01] <ScottK> Quintasan: If you've never driven in snow before it probably does.  It's a skill that most people in warmer climates don't acquire.
[15:01]  * ScottK has lived enough cold places not to be daunted by the snow, but by the idiots that don't understand that they don't know how to drive in snow.
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> All I know is that all the teenagers in lowriders in Virginia probably are all dead now
[15:01] <steveire> Sorry, worng chan
[15:02] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We can only hope.
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: but yeah, timing of the snow is also a big part of if school gets cancelled up north
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> it was still snowing yesterday morning, so they cancelled school
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> if it had stopped some time during the night and still snowed the same amount, they might not have cancelled school
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> but places like North Dakota are hardcore
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> nothing stops them
[15:05] <Quintasan|Droid> yofel: did I kill ur Quassel core?
[15:06] <Quintasan|Droid> Lol
[15:06] <ScottK> Quintasan|Droid: Where can I find your sip package?  I have a long airplane ride today and I might use the time to fiddle with it.
[15:09] <Quintasan|Droid> ScottK: moment please, I have it but it FTBFS now that I deleted and pasted dh_python3 in the same place
[15:10] <ScottK> Quintasan|Droid: I don't leave for the airport for a few hours, so let me know.
[15:29] <Quintasan> ScottK: uploading, once again, please take a look at debian/rules, the install-arch-3.% part and let me know if it is correct and why on Earth doesnt this work. Please also do debc on the changes file after the build to make sure no python3 files land in python2 packages since this is drving me insane
[15:34] <Quintasan> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/SIP
[15:34] <Quintasan> ScottK: please not it needs newest python3-defaults, otherwise it will FTBFS too :/
[15:52] <ScottK> Quintasan|Droid: Newest as in the one I uploaded for you recently?
[15:52] <Quintasan> Yes
[15:53] <ScottK> OK
[15:54] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Urgh, this "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" in Muon is still there. muon --nofork --nocrashhandler gives no output
[15:54] <Quintasan> It failed on Package: libc-bin
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: natty?
[15:54] <Quintasan> Yes
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> bug 680328 trololololo
[15:55] <cmagina> i can confirm that issue as well
[15:56] <Quintasan> herp derp dpkg
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> somebody from canonical assigned it to the foundations team two weeks ago
[15:56] <Quintasan> Still nothing? :D
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> I don't know why it took them so long to notice the bug in the first place
[15:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: Who knows if there won't be any updates in near future :D I will pester POX until we get this fixed
[15:57] <Quintasan> I found two bugs doing only one package
[15:57] <ScottK> Quintasan|Droid: OK.  The Python3 stuff is new.  You exercising it is a good thing.
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> perhaps because I didn't nominate it for natty in addition to setting the milestone to natty-alpha-2...
[15:58] <ScottK> Quintasan|Droid: The current problems are python3 stuff landing in the python package and empty debug?
[15:58] <Quintasan> ScottK: files which should be in python3-sip are in python-sip
[15:58] <ScottK> Right.
[15:58] <ScottK> Anything else?
[15:58] <Quintasan> files which should be in python3-sip-dev are in python-sip-dev
[15:58] <Quintasan> and dbg is empty
[15:59] <ScottK> OK.
[15:59] <Quintasan> POX figured out the install-arch-3.% stuff but it works only on few files
[15:59] <Quintasan> The rest is still jammed into the wrong packages unfortunately.
[16:46] <Quintasan> NCommander: GZ
[18:51] <stalcup> /2/1
[18:52] <stalcup> silly me
[19:26] <dantti> does someone knows a good channel or someone that I could ask for help on working with a serial device? :P 
[19:29] <releaselogger> whos got the time to test0r the phonon?
[19:29] <releaselogger> dantti: #legacy for sure :P
[19:30] <dantti> releaselogger: lol, is there such channel?
[19:30] <releaselogger> hopefully not
[19:30] <dantti> :(
[19:30] <dantti> releaselogger: you said you like C (before you like java)
[19:30] <releaselogger> well, now I like java
[19:30] <dantti> have you ever played with serial stuff?
[19:30] <releaselogger> java is the win!
[19:30] <releaselogger> dantti: nope
[19:31]  * releaselogger is too young for that sort of thing
[19:31] <dantti> I'm young too, I'm just trying to make some money :P
[19:31] <dantti> this device work some of the time, and some strace shows it blocks on open()
[19:32] <dantti> but it I use the non block flag I'll have to rewrite the app
[19:32] <dantti> well I'll need to test this device again now that I read that I can disable hw handshake on serial...
[19:33] <dantti> interesting :P
[19:33] <dantti> totally OT from kpk hehe
[20:51] <ScottK-droid> Quintasan: Move the install-arch-3.% rule above install-arch% in debian/rules
[23:18] <releaselogger> is it just me or is dolphin in rc2 all sorts of stupid?
[23:18] <releaselogger> breaking ever so often here
[23:18] <releaselogger> doesnt start and what not
[23:20]  * releaselogger dances with Quintasan
[23:42] <ari-tczew> releaselogger: are you in "Blue Oyster" club? :>
[23:43] <releaselogger> ari-tczew: what is that?
[23:43] <ari-tczew> releaselogger: ah, did you watch film "Police academy" ?
[23:43] <releaselogger> no
[23:44]  * releaselogger only watches facebook
[23:44] <ari-tczew> releaselogger: ok, then this is gay club in this film
[23:45] <releaselogger> ari-tczew: still don't understand the question
[23:45] <releaselogger> maybe I should have consumed more wine
[23:46] <releaselogger> but yes, I am gay :P
[23:46] <releaselogger> not that that would have been the reason I danced with Quintasan
[23:46]  * releaselogger was just seeing if Quintasan was around to annoy him with neon questions
[23:46] <ari-tczew> releaselogger: ok I'm just making sure :)
[23:51]  * yofel does something potentially stupid
[23:51] <yofel> releaselogger: got neon questions?
[23:51] <releaselogger> yofel: a) do you haz phonon yet b) when will it be ready? c) if !b what is the hold up?
[23:51] <releaselogger> also
[23:51] <releaselogger> blog?
[23:51] <releaselogger> :P
[23:52] <yofel> blog is held up by me fighting akonadi which is driving me crazy
[23:52] <releaselogger> while I am at it... phonon 4.4.4 tars are around if you want to package them or stuff
[23:52] <yofel> phonon: we have phonon, phonon-vlc, and phonon-gst | all completely untested
[23:52] <releaselogger> untested is cool :D
[23:52]  * releaselogger remembers the days when akonadi was utter crap rather than slightly undeployable
[23:52] <yofel> meaning: I am pretty sure the backends are installed, I just hope it actually pics them up ^^
[23:52] <releaselogger> good times those were
[23:53] <releaselogger> yofel: shoud work fine, the only problem you could have is that it is picking up the qt plugins if those are in the neon search path for qt plugins at all...
[23:54] <yofel> dpgk -L project-neon-qt | grep phonon comes up empty, actually I'm pretty sure we don't even build that
[23:55] <releaselogger> ok, should work just fine then
[23:55] <releaselogger> yofel: so, when is neon going public?
[23:55] <yofel> hm - it does say phonon GStreamer backend 4.4.4 in the neon phonon settings
[23:56] <releaselogger> sounds about right
[23:56] <releaselogger> should be 4.4.5+git tomorrow ;)
[23:56] <releaselogger> or something like that
[23:57] <yofel> releaselogger: somewhere soon I hope - akonadi doesn't work, bindings are missing, and I didn't work out the usage instructions yet
[23:57] <yofel> it doesn't error out on every corner if you login though - which is progress
[23:57] <releaselogger> bindings are not that important for starts I would say
[23:58] <yofel> yeah, until we get python stuff to work it'll be 30°C outside
[23:58] <releaselogger> pyth0rn
[23:58] <releaselogger> <3
[23:59] <yofel> feel free to hang out in #project-neon again as long as you don't annoy Quintasan :P
[23:59] <yofel> we even got ourselves a CIA bot :D
[23:59] <releaselogger> nah, I do not like being kicked by minions :P
[23:59] <yofel> haha