| * wrst googles to see what lightspark is | 00:15 | |
| wrst | coz_: looks interesting have you tried it? | 00:15 |
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| coz_ | wrst, not yet ... I was going to attemtp it from it's PPA but havent gotten around to it yet | 00:17 |
| wrst | looks interesting hope it works, I might give that an attempt sometime | 00:17 |
| coz_ | wrst, yes it does sound interesting.. with a dump feature for streaming stuff to a file could be nice | 00:18 |
| wrst | yes | 00:21 |
| * wrst exits for a while so natty can download updates | 00:21 | |
| dabbill | is there a way to make it so that new windows open ontop of active windows? | 00:22 |
| coz_ | dabbill, I think that should happen by default! is this unity or classic gnome | 00:23 |
| dabbill | coz_, classic gnome | 00:24 |
| dabbill | coz_, if i have say xchat open, and i try to open firefox it comes up behind xchat | 00:25 |
| coz_ | dabbill, ok me also.. let me check here to be sure | 00:25 |
| coz_ | ooo | 00:25 |
| dabbill | coz_, its really anoying lol | 00:25 |
| coz_ | dabbill, is it only firefox doing this? | 00:25 |
| dabbill | coz_, all programs | 00:26 |
| coz_ | dabbill, do you have compiz running also? | 00:26 |
| dabbill | coz_, nope, just metacity with transparency | 00:26 |
| coz_ | mm | 00:26 |
| coz_ | dabbill, here it is opening above xchat.... so something on that end...now to figure out what | 00:27 |
| dabbill | coz_, and it does it with any combination of apps | 00:27 |
| coz_ | dabbill, just to besure in terminal metacity --replace & disown | 00:28 |
| dabbill | coz_, [1] 11783 | 00:29 |
| dabbill | bash: warning: deleting stopped job 1 with process group 11783 | 00:29 |
| dabbill | coz_, still opening behind the active window | 00:29 |
| dabbill | coz_, firefox just opened behind my term window | 00:29 |
| coz_ | dabbill, mm this is odd... | 00:29 |
| coz_ | hold on | 00:29 |
| dabbill | coz_, i thought i read somewhere that it was a bug, but i cant find it again to make sure i read it right | 00:30 |
| dabbill | coz_, but all i know is its really annoying when i try to open downloads or something and it comes up behind my browser | 00:30 |
| dabbill | coz_, if i click a blank spot in the desktop and open something it comes up on top, other wise it comes up in the #2 position, as in right behind the active window, but on top of the other inactive windows | 00:32 |
| coz_ | dabbill, I am puzzled... in compiz of course you can adjust the focue prevention... in metacity ... not sure let me check that hold on | 00:32 |
| dabbill | coz_, okay thanks :) | 00:33 |
| dabbill | coz_, i dont even think i have compiz installed, but i was really drunk the other night lol | 00:33 |
| coz_ | dabbill, this is ubuntu natty yes? | 00:34 |
| dabbill | coz_, yes | 00:34 |
| coz_ | dabbill, then compiz is installed and unless you chose ubuntu classic desktop ( no effect) compiz will start up automatically | 00:34 |
| dabbill | coz_, yea i just checked, compiz is installed, but i select classic desktop at the login window, i hate unity | 00:35 |
| dabbill | coz_, also on my Appearance Preferences i no longer have a visual effects tab. | 00:36 |
| coz_ | dabbill, well if you chose "classic desktop" instead of "classic desktop (no effect) then compiz starts up automatically | 00:36 |
| coz_ | dabbill, open gconf-editor and maneuvr to /apps/metacity/general and see what is used under "focus_mode" | 00:36 |
| coz_ | dabbill, also in the same area "focus_new_windows" | 00:37 |
| dabbill | coz_, focus_mode = click and focus_new_window = smart | 00:37 |
| coz_ | mmm | 00:37 |
| coz_ | dabbill, ok you can try to delete the config folders and restart to see if that fixes the issue sudo rm -R ~/{.gconf*,.gnome,.gnome2} | 00:38 |
| coz_ | dabbill, or hit ctrl+alt+F1 log in and run that command | 00:39 |
| coz_ | dabbill, then sudo restart gdm | 00:39 |
| dabbill | coz_, okay brb | 00:40 |
| coz_ | ok | 00:40 |
| coz_ | dabbill, any change? | 00:45 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, thanks, that worked | 00:47 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, very cool :) | 00:47 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, it even fixed it so that when i do ctrl+alt+f1 i can read my txt :P | 00:47 |
| coz_ | L) | 00:47 |
| coz_ | :) | 00:47 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, tho i have one other issue but not sure if its in gnome or the theme i am running | 00:48 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, what is it? | 00:48 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, is it a white triangle ? | 00:49 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, on the bottom right of both my pannels there is a little circle that brings up the the resizing arrow on my mouse but does nothing | 00:49 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, but the little circle is ontop of my trash can and power button | 00:49 |
| coz_ | mm I am wondering if it is a part of this bug #704105 | 00:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 704105 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Resize grip always appears in bottom right of GTK+2.0 windows" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704105 | 00:50 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, there is a bug in gtk3 | 00:50 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, it may be related to t his | 00:50 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, okay, wasnt a big deal just thought i would ask :) | 00:51 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, just moved my trashcan and power button over slightly :) | 00:51 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, no problem... but i do think it may be related to that bug | 00:52 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, okay | 00:52 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, i am really just glad to be back on linux lol, spent way to much time in windows over the past couple years | 00:53 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, natty seems really stable tho so far | 00:53 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, well I understand :) and yes I agree... natty is a bit of a change but it seems it will stay on my system :) unlike a few other versions | 00:53 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, :( that bug is back | 00:54 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, oooo | 00:54 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, something is definitly up on that end... is this a clean install of natty or an upgrade from maverick? | 00:55 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, clean install :( | 00:55 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, oo... mm ,, ok stick around here and ask again... I cant think of what is doing this...if the config is getting corrupted again | 00:56 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, first time i copied my home folder over from a VMWare Player install but that caused a lot of issues so then i just did a fresh install and copied over like my pictures and such | 00:56 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, I doubt the image transfer created this issue | 00:56 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, yea | 00:56 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, so stick around... ask a bit later... someone may have a better solution | 01:02 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, tried off and on for a day or so and your the first to try and help heh | 01:04 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, and in the normal channel no one will even try to help cause i am running natty | 01:05 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, right because natty is testing not released #ubuntu is just for released versions | 01:05 |
| dabbill_ | coz_, i know, just thought some one would try and help if they could :) | 01:06 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, no its fairly strict in that channel about which versions are being supported | 01:07 |
| coz_ | dabbill_, keeps it more organized that way :) | 01:07 |
| Adlai_ | argh when is this ayatana api change going to be done | 02:25 |
| dabbill | when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this? | 02:45 |
| dabbill | when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this? | 03:17 |
| dabbill | when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this? | 03:48 |
| MTecknology | So.. somehow Firefox keeps reporting my default language is Romanian but the only language I know is English. It seems that it was fine up until 11.04. Any ideas why that would be happening? | 04:12 |
| dabbill_ | when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this? | 04:30 |
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| dabbill | when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this? | 04:43 |
| MTecknology | !repeat | dabbill | 04:59 |
| ubottu | dabbill: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ | 04:59 |
| Adlai_ | ooh never mind yay upgrade is working | 05:04 |
| hsa2 | hello | 05:40 |
| hsa2 | i installed 11.04 daily beta from usb disk, but my grub was gone | 05:40 |
| hsa2 | when grub comes, it says file not found | 05:40 |
| hsa2 | then i tried reinstalling grub, with grub's command line | 05:40 |
| hsa2 | after setting root (hd0,<partition_here>) i sat setup (hd0) but it says > http://pastie.org/1476309 | 05:41 |
| dabbill | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470597 | 05:44 |
| dabbill | that might help with the error 15 your getting | 05:45 |
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| eagles0513875 | hey guys | 10:13 |
| * eagles0513875 is debating about upgrading to natty | 10:14 | |
| rork | In kontact when I activate the akonadi_gcal_resource in Kontacts Calendar, Kontact becomes unresponsive for a while and then shows the following error: Unknown error: (Unable to fetch item from backend). Did anyone else observe this behaviour or could it be caused by me tinkling with the network? | 11:10 |
| shotty | hi all, can anyone tell me how easy it will be to remove unity and install the newest gnome shell in natty please | 11:24 |
| bazhang | likely quite simple once it is further along | 11:25 |
| bazhang | shotty, currently Unity completely crashes for me, and gnome-shell won't install wanting something that can't be found | 11:26 |
| eagles0513875 | hey bazhang | 11:27 |
| bazhang | hi | 11:27 |
| shotty | bazhang: I have used unity on the NBR and tbh, i hated it. Although, i have heard it will be much better in natty. So i will watch this space as i know that ubuntu devs usually have a way of making things just work. and i usually come round to all new implementations | 11:27 |
| bazhang | shotty, it is much better, there is an rss feed to watch natty changes as they happen | 11:27 |
| bazhang | shotty, well better theoretically (as it still crashes 100% of the time for me) | 11:28 |
| shotty | bazhang i will see if i can find the rss feed | 11:30 |
| bazhang | shotty, search terms natty changes rss feed got it for me | 11:30 |
| shotty | bazhang is that from the ubuntuforums? | 11:31 |
| bazhang | shotty, no, an rss feed (webpage) dedicated to natty changes | 11:31 |
| shotty | bazhang http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges | 11:31 |
| bazhang | shotty, bingo | 11:32 |
| shotty | bazhang brilliant! i just added it to my igoogle. | 11:34 |
| bazhang | :) | 11:34 |
| eagles0513875 | bazhang: your not a kde user as well are you? | 11:35 |
| bazhang | eagles0513875, sure | 11:36 |
| eagles0513875 | hows the plasma netbook version of natty turning out | 11:36 |
| eagles0513875 | Maverick damn thing was soooo slow | 11:36 |
| eagles0513875 | i reverted my install to the normal kde layout | 11:37 |
| bazhang | eagles0513875, no idea not running the netbook version | 11:37 |
| eagles0513875 | tbh im starting at times to think plasma is a bit like flash on that desktop | 11:38 |
| eagles0513875 | how is natty shaping up at this stage bazhang | 11:41 |
| bazhang | eagles0513875, very fast | 11:41 |
| eagles0513875 | is it quite buggy? | 11:42 |
| bazhang | its alpha one, what do you expect | 11:42 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 11:43 |
| eagles0513875 | to be quite buggy im tempted to try it on my netbook | 11:43 |
| eagles0513875 | also curious to see if there is a rather strange issue i had | 11:43 |
| eagles0513875 | for some reason when i install maverick on this netbook it didnt install grub to the MBR of the HDD but to the MBR of my usb drive | 11:48 |
| tom___ | Hi. I'm trying to get a privately assigned IP on my eth0 | 12:14 |
| tom___ | after DHCP times out. I assume thats avahi's job | 12:14 |
| tom___ | should zero conf networking work out of the box | 12:15 |
| eagles0513875 | tom___: you trying to get it from a router or dhcp server? | 12:19 |
| eagles0513875 | tom___: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file plz | 12:20 |
| tom___ | im running a small network lab and require a 169.254 address | 12:20 |
| tom___ | i assumed my ubuntu machine would self assign itself one once dhcp timed out | 12:20 |
| tom___ | ahh boom done it | 12:21 |
| tom___ | i ran sudo dhclient eth0 | 12:21 |
| tom___ | now theres an eth0:avahi interface | 12:21 |
| tom___ | ubuntu networking works in mysterious ways | 12:21 |
| eagles0513875 | haha very | 12:24 |
| eagles0513875 | dont forget you might experience issues since your on natty | 12:24 |
| tom___ | yeah thanks | 12:24 |
| eagles0513875 | no problemo | 12:24 |
| tom___ | I run 10.10 on my server. had some good fun setting up the networking on that!! | 12:24 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 12:24 |
| tom___ | I'm running PPPoE and vlan interfaces | 12:24 |
| eagles0513875 | i use the /etc/network/interfaces file | 12:25 |
| eagles0513875 | for mine | 12:25 |
| tom___ | yeah, no GUI on the server | 12:25 |
| eagles0513875 | even on kde i use that file as welll | 12:25 |
| eagles0513875 | ya i have lucid on my server | 12:25 |
| tom___ | I dont quite understand the relationship between /etc/network/interfaces the scripts that ifup invokes | 12:26 |
| tom___ | and* | 12:26 |
| tom___ | they seem to call on different configs | 12:26 |
| tom___ | so ifup eth0 might sometimes complain an interface doesnt exist | 12:27 |
| tom___ | but if its entered into /etc/ then ifconfig eth0 up will work | 12:27 |
| eagles0513875 | tom___: havent had that issue | 12:27 |
| tom___ | I think I mess too much :D | 12:28 |
| eagles0513875 | with the file being in /etc/network though | 12:28 |
| eagles0513875 | tom___: do you upgrade from one release to the next | 12:29 |
| eagles0513875 | cuz i have always had nothing but major issues with it | 12:29 |
| eagles0513875 | with doing that | 12:29 |
| tom___ | only on my work netbook | 12:29 |
| tom___ | server has been 10.10 from fresh | 12:29 |
| eagles0513875 | speaking of netbooks | 12:30 |
| eagles0513875 | i had a funny issue when cleanly installing mav on mine | 12:30 |
| eagles0513875 | did you have the issue where it installed grub in the wrong location | 12:30 |
| tom___ | hm I don't think so | 12:30 |
| eagles0513875 | for me grub was installed to the MBR on my usb drive instead of to the hard disk | 12:30 |
| eagles0513875 | so i couldnt boot unless i had the pen drive inserted | 12:30 |
| tom___ | hah no way | 12:31 |
| tom___ | I installed mine over the net I seem to remember | 12:31 |
| tom___ | the advantage of being on an educational network ;) | 12:31 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 12:32 |
| eagles0513875 | i think i did the same for it | 12:32 |
| eagles0513875 | gonna try natty i think on here | 12:32 |
| tom___ | some fany new GUI stuff going on | 12:34 |
| tom___ | lots of updates every day | 12:35 |
| eagles0513875 | gonna try out 4.6 | 12:35 |
| tom___ | whats that? | 12:36 |
| eagles0513875 | kde | 12:38 |
| rork | I just had a full partition due to ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/soprano-virtuoso.log being filled up with what seems like the same line over and over again. I had to delete the file and reboot to get a (sort of) working OS again but I think some damage might have been don. E.G. when starting System Monitor I get "The file ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/ProcessTable.sgrd does not contain valid XML." | 12:42 |
| rork | It doesn't seem to happen now, the process seems to have lasted for a couple of hours. I suggest KDE users to check their free disk space or this file. | 12:49 |
| g0bl1n | hi, I have a Asus 1215N with NVidia ION2 and OPTIMUS. This is 2 cards inside, one from Intel, and the powerfull other one from Nvidia. Nvidia proprietary drivers seem not to be working in 10.10 in NVIDIA OPTIMUS. Will this change in 11.04 ? | 14:08 |
| Daekdroom | When it comes to progressbars, update-manager always gets worse and worse. | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas | 14:47 |
| dupondje | gnome3 will be added to Natty or ? | 15:15 |
| Daekdroom | dupondje, it will | 15:23 |
| dupondje | but its not available now ? | 15:24 |
| Daekdroom | dupondje, it's technically still not released | 15:27 |
| Daekdroom | The package versions are 2.91 by now or something, which is the development version before 3.0 | 15:27 |
| dupondje | but those packages are not default in Natty now ? | 15:29 |
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| popey | anyone running unity want to test something really quick and easy for me before I file a bug? | 15:49 |
| popey | nvm | 15:51 |
| trinikrono | unity keeps reseting? | 15:51 |
| trinikrono | i had to run it in qt | 15:52 |
| FloridaGuy | does 11.04 have a lot of bugs right now...or is it a pretty solid alpha | 16:09 |
| trinikrono | it works fine for me | 16:10 |
| trinikrono | just the 3d does work too good yet | 16:10 |
| trinikrono | * does not | 16:10 |
| trinikrono | go brave :D | 16:10 |
| FloridaGuy | ive used alot of alpha's over the years....think ill test 11.04 | 16:12 |
| Daekdroom | Unity-qt looks dull to me :( | 16:15 |
| genii-around | Latest update I did about 5 minutes ago uninstalled the proprietary nvidia driver and nouveau hung machine... had to boot single with networking and manually reinstall nvidia-current | 16:15 |
| genii-around | ( back up now though, obviously ) | 16:15 |
| Daekdroom | oooooo LibreOffice 3.3rc3 is available in the repos | 16:16 |
| FloridaGuy | trinikrono: witch is better....update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d....... altF2 brings up command box...the i put in update-manager -d hit enter..and nothing happens | 16:17 |
| trinikrono | use the terminal | 16:19 |
| trinikrono | or put gnome-terminal in the alt+f2 box | 16:19 |
| trinikrono | i would boot the iso if i where you | 16:19 |
| FloridaGuy | y | 16:22 |
| dupondje | Daekdroom: in a ppa or ? :) | 16:28 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, yeah , I had to do that as well, then also had to use the recovery kernel and fix broken packages dialog to bootin | 16:31 |
| Daekdroom | dupondje, official repos | 16:38 |
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| Daekdroom | Compiz package got an update. | 18:19 |
| Daekdroom | Maybe it'll fix Unity, maybe it'll blow up my system.. | 18:19 |
| Daekdroom | Who knows.. | 18:19 |
| evilvish | **boom** | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | To really break it, change video cards between nvidia and ati a few times without reinstalling | 18:31 |
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| nysosym | hi there | 19:03 |
| nysosym | what's the mac iso for? | 19:04 |
| nysosym | as far as i know, there isn't a mac with amd processor | 19:04 |
| patdk-wk | amd? I though it said 64bit | 19:05 |
| nysosym | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 19:06 |
| nysosym | amd64+mac | 19:06 |
| rww | "amd64" is the name of a processor architecture that works on amd64 and Intel 64. | 19:06 |
| Daekdroom | Intel EMT64, to be accurate | 19:10 |
| Daekdroom | Intel also has fully 64bits processors | 19:11 |
| duffolonious | heh, when I make a CompizConfig Settings Manager change - compiz segfaults | 19:11 |
| duffolonious | in libsigc | 19:12 |
| jakubo | hi, i wonder if only MY laptop hard drives are slow | 19:21 |
| jakubo | can anyone confirm that his are slow too? | 19:21 |
| jakubo | slow in terms of 30MB throughput while reading | 19:22 |
| jakubo | anyone here? | 19:48 |
| Daekdroom | Yes. | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | but it doesn't seem like any one else has that issue | 19:55 |
| Daekdroom | !Schedule | 19:58 |
| ubottu | A schedule of Natty Narwhal (11.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | 19:58 |
| Daekdroom | Aww. We're already past DebianImportFreeze | 19:59 |
| nysosym | i tried to boot the actual natty daily, but all i got was an empty window | 19:59 |
| nysosym | (Macbook Pro) | 19:59 |
| Daekdroom | Yesterday's daily had a faulty ubiquity (partitioner was crashing libparted) | 19:59 |
| Daekdroom | But I believe it has been fixed. | 19:59 |
| nysosym | fine, but ubiquity wont start :/ | 20:00 |
| nysosym | just an empty window | 20:00 |
| yofel | Daekdroom: you can file manual sync / merge requests from debian until feature freeze | 20:01 |
| nysosym | i have the feeling, that ubuntu get worse every release | 20:01 |
| BluesKaj | nysosym, sorry to hear that you think that , but natty so far has been very stable for my setup , not one crash | 20:04 |
| * Amaranth gets intel GPU hangs | 20:05 | |
| Amaranth | then again I'm poking at the internals of how compiz draws stuff to the screen so I guess I could be doing something weird to it :) | 20:05 |
| djustice | ubuntu is getting corporate!! :p you must bend and code to someone else's will.. | 20:05 |
| djustice | you def dont do this for fun anymore.. | 20:05 |
| nysosym | and i think there is no need to work in a terminal to get your system to work | 20:06 |
| djustice | it gets 'worse' until some serious money goes somewhere for something.. eg, unity, ayatanya, utools | 20:06 |
| djustice | imho, the problem is the packaging scheme.. not a single packager knows lintian top to bottom.. or that last change to the debian pkg standard.. | 20:07 |
| djustice | too complex.. | 20:07 |
| Amaranth | ha | 20:07 |
| djustice | too much work to maintain.. | 20:07 |
| Amaranth | The packaging scheme is how we can do what we do | 20:07 |
| djustice | indeed.. | 20:07 |
| djustice | crash, conflict, and regress. ;) | 20:08 |
| Amaranth | I haven't found a better system, the others aren't as complex but don't do as much either | 20:08 |
| djustice | srysry | 20:08 |
| djustice | makepkg<3 | 20:08 |
| Amaranth | And for the simple cases handled by those others we have simplified packaging setups | 20:08 |
| jakubo | should i file a bug about hard drive speed then? | 20:09 |
| jakubo | there are plenty of forums about slow sata drives | 20:09 |
| Amaranth | Even the packaging for something like compiz is pretty simple: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555948/ | 20:09 |
| yofel | jakubo: feel free to do so, use 'ubuntu-bug linux' | 20:10 |
| Amaranth | _really_ simple packages only need those last two lines | 20:10 |
| djustice | lol! that is not simple.. but ok. im away. apologies for trolling.. rly tho... makepkg. | 20:11 |
| Amaranth | jakubo: I have a feeling you're seeing https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 | 20:11 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 12309 in Block Layer "Large I/O operations result in poor interactive performance and high iowait times" [High,Reopened] | 20:11 |
| djustice | pacman sucks. but makepkg wins. dh_foo can burn in hell.. | 20:11 |
| Amaranth | djustice: makepkg is "simple to use, simple system" | 20:11 |
| Amaranth | djustice: what you seem to want is "simple to use, complex system" | 20:12 |
| Amaranth | which no one has | 20:12 |
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| Darxus | What's the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-testing ? | 20:15 |
| Daekdroom | Darxus, #ubuntu-testing is for ISO testing, apparently. | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | this is for support for Ubuntu development version | 20:16 |
| Darxus | Huh, okay. | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | and has people in it that answer questions. | 20:16 |
| Amaranth | djustice: dude you said ours was complex, look at the makepkg one: http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/compiz/repos/community-i686/PKGBUILD | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | during actual ISO testing, people in #ubuntu-testing are very helpful, but most of the time, they aren't available. | 20:17 |
| Darxus | What's the situation with running natty under virtualbox? In virtualbox 4 on maverick, the installer keeps hanging around "Preparing to install Ubuntu", both with the version from the maverick repos, and the maverick version from the virtualbox site. | 20:17 |
| djustice | Amaranth: that's 3 diff pkgz... and how is it complex? i don't see any python calls or sed -nr stuff.. no dh_autoconfig mess.. | 20:18 |
| djustice | simple buildsystem and make calls... | 20:18 |
| djustice | pkgbuilds are bash | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: let me try it. I haven't run today's images yet | 20:18 |
| djustice | btw, chakra is rewriting pacman.. 'correctly'. | 20:19 |
| Amaranth | djustice: the dh stuff is "do all that build stuff for me", the script I posted builds compiz, compiz-core, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome, compiz-kde, libdecoration0, and libdecoration0-dev | 20:19 |
| djustice | libakabei/cpkg | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: Is that the daily-live or alternate image? | 20:19 |
| djustice | understood.. | 20:19 |
| Amaranth | djustice: and the sed stuff is because we care about integrating with the GNOME desktop so copy the metacity settings | 20:19 |
| Darxus | charlie-tca: That was a daily iso. | 20:19 |
| Darxus | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso from yesterday. | 20:20 |
| djustice | still.. the debian reference is too much to grok. bash is not. | 20:20 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 20:20 |
| djustice | arch/chakra make 20 pkgbuilds to every deb.. | 20:20 |
| charlie-tca | that has issues today. | 20:20 |
| Amaranth | djustice: a "debian" package that didn't care about cloning metacity settings would be 13 lines | 20:20 |
| Amaranth | djustice: it's a makefile | 20:20 |
| charlie-tca | they worked yesterday, but I think they broke again | 20:20 |
| Amaranth | djustice: If you don't understand makefiles you shouldn't be making packages anywhere for anything | 20:20 |
| djustice | i know.. ;) | 20:20 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: ^ ^ ^ | 20:20 |
| Darxus | charlie-tca: Okay, cool, thanks. | 20:20 |
| Darxus | Should I try alpha1? | 20:21 |
| djustice | point is: that way is too complex. the entry bar is too high. | 20:21 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: being alpha images, they break often now. You can try alpha1 | 20:21 |
| djustice | user joe could look at my pkgbuild and maybe tell me what's wrong with it.. having never seen one before, but knowing bash.. | 20:21 |
| Darxus | Yeah, I understand. Thanks. | 20:21 |
| djustice | kk, im gone! *poof* | 20:21 |
| nysosym | is 3d support possible with virtualbox4? | 20:21 |
| Amaranth | djustice: how is #!/usr/bin/make -f\n %:\n dh $@ complex? | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | nysosym: only with guest additions installed | 20:22 |
| Amaranth | djustice: that's all a lot of packages need, at least packages made on the same level as anything arch does | 20:22 |
| Amaranth | djustice: Again, it's complex because we're doing complex things :) | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: is that before disk partitioning? | 20:24 |
| Darxus | charlie-tca: Yes, I believe so. It's still at saying please ensure you have 2.6gb free.... | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: Went through for me. I am at the "Who are you? " screen | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | How big is the virtual drive you gave it? | 20:25 |
| Amaranth | djustice: also that arch package isn't even doing the right thing :) | 20:26 |
| Darxus | charlie-tca: I'm trying today's image now. The virtual drive was the default 8gb. | 20:26 |
| charlie-tca | Mine is installing here, using 12GB drive and told it to use the entire drive | 20:27 |
| Darxus | charlie-tca: It's gotten farther on today's image than it did on yesterday's image. | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | Darxus: It does default to spitting the drive now, you might have to tell it to use the entire drive instead | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, good. Day to day the images are broken right now, since it is still early in the cycle | 20:29 |
| Darxus | Makes sense, thanks for your help. | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | good luck with natty | 20:29 |
| Darxus | Heh, "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run...." | 20:30 |
| djustice | lol ;) | 20:30 |
| Darxus | Thanks. I'm trying to see what the situation is for building wayland. | 20:30 |
| jakubo | is there a mdadm channel i could bother? | 20:40 |
| Darxus | My current theory is that the best option is to install with alpha 1, and *not* "download updates while installing". | 20:47 |
| Darxus | Because upgrading libc failed. | 20:47 |
| Darxus | Is virtualbox the best free option for installing natty on a virtual machine? | 20:48 |
| yofel | maybe bug 680328 - I see that with muon and libc-bin | 20:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 680328 in dpkg (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either AptDaemon, PackageKit, or QApt" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 | 20:49 |
| yofel | Daekdroom: probably, I use kvm, but I don't care about 3D graphics | 20:49 |
| Darxus | yofel: Thanks. What's the safest way to do upgrades? apt-get? | 20:49 |
| yofel | usually update-manager will work fine, if it fails try apt-get | 20:50 |
| Daekdroom | Tab completion is a bless and a curse, isn't it? | 20:50 |
| yofel | I use aptitude, but that's personal preference | 20:50 |
| yofel | Daekdroom: oooops, sorry :D | 20:50 |
| Daekdroom | I know how it is. | 20:50 |
| jakubo | mdadm... is there anyone to refer to? | 20:53 |
| Darxus | jakubo: Mailing list? | 20:53 |
| jakubo | i mean in chat | 20:54 |
| Darxus | I know. I doubt it. The list is http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid | 20:55 |
| Daekdroom | It annoys the hell out of me that pidgin shows up twice at indicator-messages and liferea's indicator doesn't work :( | 21:56 |
| Darxus | Natty sure is... in early developement :) | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | evening buddies | 22:04 |
| Darxus | Wow, I got aptitude dist-upgrade to finish cleanly. | 22:13 |
| Darxus | After removing brltty-x11 and brltty. | 22:13 |
| Darxus | And rebooting gives me nothing but a background. But at least ctrl-alt-t still brings up a terminal. | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | It still has issues :-( | 22:16 |
| Darxus | It still seems like a fine time for that. | 22:19 |
| sam-_- | which kernel will natty use? | 22:30 |
| yofel | 2.6.38 according to the UDS summary | 22:31 |
| sam-_- | yofel: ok. thx | 22:32 |
| alex_mayorga | I nuked my panels by mistake :( How do I get them back? | 23:09 |
| rork | alex_mayorga: which window manager? | 23:11 |
| alex_mayorga | rork: gnome | 23:12 |
| duffolonious | alex_mayorga: I just run Compiz again | 23:12 |
| rork | no idea unfortunately | 23:12 |
| alex_mayorga | duffolonious: my card doesn't quite like compiz | 23:12 |
| duffolonious | oh | 23:12 |
| duffolonious | I think you can go back to classic gnome panel | 23:13 |
| duffolonious | by selecting the right session on login | 23:13 |
| Darxus | alex_mayorga: Just run gnome-panel ? | 23:17 |
| Darxus | alex_mayorga: FYI, "gnome" is not a window manager. The window manager that ships with gnome is metacity. | 23:18 |
| Daekdroom | But classic gnome is using compiz as well by default. | 23:19 |
| alex_mayorga | Darxus: thanks on enlightening me | 23:21 |
| Darxus | You're welcome. | 23:21 |
| alex_mayorga | well both the upper and lower panels are gone | 23:21 |
| alex_mayorga | this is on classic gnome with no compiz as far as I know | 23:21 |
| Daekdroom | !panels | 23:22 |
| ubottu | To reset the gnome panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel » | 23:22 |
| Daekdroom | Try that and then running the gnome-panel command | 23:22 |
| alex_mayorga | Daekdroom: thanks! | 23:23 |
| Daekdroom | No problem. | 23:24 |
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