[00:15]  * wrst googles to see what lightspark is
[00:15] <wrst> coz_: looks interesting have you tried it?
[00:17] <coz_> wrst,  not yet ... I was going to attemtp it from it's  PPA    but havent gotten around to it yet
[00:17] <wrst> looks interesting hope it works, I might give that an attempt sometime
[00:18] <coz_> wrst,   yes it does sound interesting.. with    a dump feature for streaming stuff to a file could be nice
[00:21] <wrst> yes
[00:21]  * wrst exits for a while so natty can download updates
[00:22] <dabbill> is there a way to make it so that new windows open ontop of active windows?
[00:23] <coz_> dabbill,   I think that should happen by default!  is this unity or classic gnome
[00:24] <dabbill> coz_, classic gnome
[00:25] <dabbill> coz_, if i have say xchat open, and i try to open firefox it comes up behind xchat
[00:25] <coz_> dabbill,   ok me also.. let me check here to be sure
[00:25] <coz_> ooo
[00:25] <dabbill> coz_, its really anoying lol
[00:25] <coz_> dabbill,  is it only firefox  doing this?
[00:26] <dabbill> coz_, all programs
[00:26] <coz_> dabbill,  do you have compiz running also?
[00:26] <dabbill> coz_, nope, just metacity with transparency
[00:26] <coz_> mm
[00:27] <coz_> dabbill,   here it is opening  above xchat....  so something on that end...now to figure out what
[00:27] <dabbill> coz_, and it does it with any combination of apps
[00:28] <coz_> dabbill,  just to besure  in terminal        metacity --replace & disown
[00:29] <dabbill> coz_, [1] 11783
[00:29] <dabbill> bash: warning: deleting stopped job 1 with process group 11783
[00:29] <dabbill> coz_, still opening behind the active window
[00:29] <dabbill> coz_, firefox just opened behind my term window
[00:29] <coz_> dabbill,  mm  this is odd...
[00:29] <coz_> hold on
[00:30] <dabbill> coz_, i thought i read somewhere that it was a bug, but i cant find it again to make sure i read it right
[00:30] <dabbill> coz_, but all i know is its really annoying when i try to open downloads or something and it comes up behind my browser
[00:32] <dabbill> coz_, if i click a blank spot in the desktop and open something it comes up on top, other wise it comes up in the #2 position, as in right behind the active window, but on top of the other inactive windows
[00:32] <coz_> dabbill,    I am puzzled... in compiz of course you can adjust the focue prevention... in metacity  ...  not sure let me check that hold on
[00:33] <dabbill> coz_, okay thanks :)
[00:33] <dabbill> coz_, i dont even think i have compiz installed, but i was really drunk the other night lol
[00:34] <coz_> dabbill,   this is ubuntu natty  yes?
[00:34] <dabbill> coz_, yes
[00:34] <coz_> dabbill,  then compiz is installed and unless you chose  ubuntu classic desktop ( no effect)  compiz will start up automatically
[00:35] <dabbill> coz_, yea i just checked, compiz is installed, but i select classic desktop at the login window, i hate unity
[00:36] <dabbill> coz_, also on my Appearance Preferences i no longer have a visual effects tab.
[00:36] <coz_> dabbill,  well  if you chose "classic desktop"   instead of   "classic desktop (no effect)  then compiz starts up automatically
[00:36] <coz_> dabbill,   open gconf-editor  and maneuvr to   /apps/metacity/general  and see what is used under   "focus_mode"
[00:37] <coz_> dabbill,  also  in the same area   "focus_new_windows"
[00:37] <dabbill> coz_, focus_mode = click and focus_new_window = smart
[00:37] <coz_> mmm
[00:38] <coz_> dabbill,  ok  you can try to delete the config folders and restart  to see if that fixes the issue        sudo  rm -R ~/{.gconf*,.gnome,.gnome2}
[00:39] <coz_> dabbill, or hit  ctrl+alt+F1   log in and run that command
[00:39] <coz_> dabbill,  then   sudo restart gdm
[00:40] <dabbill> coz_, okay brb
[00:40] <coz_> ok
[00:45] <coz_> dabbill,   any change?
[00:47] <dabbill_> coz_, thanks, that worked
[00:47] <coz_> dabbill_,   very cool :)
[00:47] <dabbill_> coz_, it even fixed it so that when i do ctrl+alt+f1 i can read my txt :P
[00:47] <coz_> L)
[00:47] <coz_> :)
[00:48] <dabbill_> coz_, tho i have one other issue but not sure if its in gnome or the theme i am running
[00:48] <coz_> dabbill_,  what is it?
[00:49] <coz_> dabbill_,  is it a white triangle ?
[00:49] <dabbill_> coz_, on the bottom right of both my pannels there is a little circle that brings up the the resizing arrow on my mouse but does nothing
[00:49] <dabbill_> coz_, but the little circle is ontop of my trash can and power button
[00:50] <coz_> mm  I am wondering if it is a part of this bug #704105
[00:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 704105 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Resize grip always appears in bottom right of GTK+2.0 windows" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704105
[00:50] <coz_> dabbill_,   there is  a bug in gtk3
[00:50] <coz_> dabbill_,  it may be related to t his
[00:51] <dabbill_> coz_, okay, wasnt a big deal just thought i would ask :)
[00:51] <dabbill_> coz_, just moved my trashcan and power button over slightly :)
[00:52] <coz_> dabbill_,   no problem... but i do think it may be related to that bug
[00:52] <dabbill_> coz_, okay
[00:53] <dabbill_> coz_, i am really just glad to be back on linux lol, spent way to much time in windows over the past couple years
[00:53] <dabbill_> coz_, natty seems really stable tho so far
[00:53] <coz_> dabbill_,   well I understand :)   and yes I agree... natty is a bit of a change but it seems it will stay on my system :)  unlike a few other versions
[00:54] <dabbill_> coz_, :( that bug is back
[00:54] <coz_> dabbill_,  oooo
[00:55] <coz_> dabbill_,   something is definitly up on that end... is this a clean install of natty or an upgrade from maverick?
[00:55] <dabbill_> coz_, clean install :(
[00:56] <coz_> dabbill_,  oo... mm  ,,  ok stick around here and ask again... I cant think of what is doing this...if the config is getting corrupted again
[00:56] <dabbill_> coz_, first time i copied my home folder over from a VMWare Player install but that caused a lot of issues so then i just did a fresh install and copied over like my pictures and such
[00:56] <coz_> dabbill_,  I doubt the image transfer created this issue
[00:56] <dabbill_> coz_, yea
[01:02] <coz_> dabbill_,   so stick around... ask a bit later... someone may have a better solution
[01:04] <dabbill_> coz_, tried off and on for a day or so and your the first to try and help heh
[01:05] <dabbill_> coz_, and in the normal channel no one will even try to help cause i am running natty
[01:05] <coz_> dabbill_,    right because natty is testing  not released   #ubuntu is just for released versions
[01:06] <dabbill_> coz_, i know, just thought some one would try and help if they could :)
[01:07] <coz_> dabbill_,  no its fairly strict in that channel about which versions are being supported
[01:07] <coz_> dabbill_,  keeps it more organized that way :)
[02:25] <Adlai_> argh when is this ayatana api change going to be done
[02:45] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[03:17] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[03:48] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[04:12] <MTecknology> So.. somehow Firefox keeps reporting my default language is Romanian but the only language I know is English. It seems that it was fine up until 11.04. Any ideas why that would be happening?
[04:30] <dabbill_> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
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[04:43] <dabbill> when i open a new window or program it opens behind the current active window, anyway to fix this?
[04:59] <MTecknology> !repeat | dabbill
[04:59] <ubottu> dabbill: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[05:04] <Adlai_> ooh never mind yay upgrade is working
[05:40] <hsa2> hello
[05:40] <hsa2> i installed 11.04 daily beta from usb disk, but my grub was gone
[05:40] <hsa2> when grub comes, it says file not found
[05:40] <hsa2> then i tried reinstalling grub, with grub's command line
[05:41] <hsa2> after setting root (hd0,<partition_here>) i sat setup (hd0) but it says > http://pastie.org/1476309
[05:44] <dabbill> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470597
[05:45] <dabbill> that might help with the error 15 your getting
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[10:13] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[10:14]  * eagles0513875 is debating about upgrading to natty
[11:10] <rork> In kontact when I activate the akonadi_gcal_resource in Kontacts Calendar, Kontact becomes unresponsive for a while and then shows the following error: Unknown error: (Unable to fetch item from backend). Did anyone else observe this behaviour or could it be caused by me tinkling with the network?
[11:24] <shotty> hi all, can anyone tell me how easy it will be to remove unity and install the newest gnome shell in natty please
[11:25] <bazhang> likely quite simple once it is further along
[11:26] <bazhang> shotty, currently Unity completely crashes for me, and gnome-shell won't install wanting something that can't be found
[11:27] <eagles0513875> hey bazhang
[11:27] <bazhang> hi
[11:27] <shotty> bazhang: I have used unity on the NBR and tbh, i hated it. Although, i have heard it will be much better in natty. So i will watch this space as i know that ubuntu devs usually have a way of making things just work. and i usually come round to all new implementations
[11:27] <bazhang> shotty, it is much better, there is an rss feed to watch natty changes as they happen
[11:28] <bazhang> shotty, well better theoretically (as it still crashes 100% of the time for me)
[11:30] <shotty> bazhang i will see if i can find the rss feed
[11:30] <bazhang> shotty, search terms natty changes rss feed got it for me
[11:31] <shotty> bazhang is that from the ubuntuforums?
[11:31] <bazhang> shotty, no, an rss feed (webpage) dedicated to natty changes
[11:31] <shotty> bazhang http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges
[11:32] <bazhang> shotty, bingo
[11:34] <shotty> bazhang brilliant! i just added it to my igoogle.
[11:34] <bazhang> :)
[11:35] <eagles0513875> bazhang: your not a kde user as well are you?
[11:36] <bazhang> eagles0513875, sure
[11:36] <eagles0513875> hows the plasma netbook version of natty turning out
[11:36] <eagles0513875> Maverick damn thing was soooo slow
[11:37] <eagles0513875> i reverted my install to the normal kde layout
[11:37] <bazhang> eagles0513875, no idea not running the netbook version
[11:38] <eagles0513875> tbh im starting at times to think plasma is a bit like flash on that desktop
[11:41] <eagles0513875> how is natty shaping up at this stage bazhang
[11:41] <bazhang> eagles0513875, very fast
[11:42] <eagles0513875> is it quite buggy?
[11:42] <bazhang> its alpha one, what do you expect
[11:43] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:43] <eagles0513875> to be quite buggy im tempted to try it on my netbook
[11:43] <eagles0513875> also curious to see if there is a rather strange issue i had
[11:48] <eagles0513875> for some reason when i install maverick on this netbook it didnt install grub to the MBR of the HDD but to the MBR of my usb drive
[12:14] <tom___> Hi. I'm trying to get a privately assigned IP on my eth0
[12:14] <tom___> after DHCP times out. I assume thats avahi's job
[12:15] <tom___> should zero conf networking work out of the box
[12:19] <eagles0513875> tom___: you trying to get it from a router or dhcp server?
[12:20] <eagles0513875> tom___: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file plz
[12:20] <tom___> im running a small network lab and require a 169.254 address
[12:20] <tom___> i assumed my ubuntu machine would self assign itself one once dhcp timed out
[12:21] <tom___> ahh boom done it
[12:21] <tom___> i ran sudo dhclient eth0
[12:21] <tom___> now theres an eth0:avahi interface
[12:21] <tom___> ubuntu networking works in mysterious ways
[12:24] <eagles0513875> haha very
[12:24] <eagles0513875> dont forget you might experience issues since your on natty
[12:24] <tom___> yeah thanks
[12:24] <eagles0513875> no problemo
[12:24] <tom___> I run 10.10 on my server. had some good fun setting up the networking on that!!
[12:24] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:24] <tom___> I'm running PPPoE and vlan interfaces
[12:25] <eagles0513875> i use the /etc/network/interfaces file
[12:25] <eagles0513875> for mine
[12:25] <tom___> yeah, no GUI on the server
[12:25] <eagles0513875> even on kde i use that file as welll
[12:25] <eagles0513875> ya i have lucid on my server
[12:26] <tom___> I dont quite understand the relationship between /etc/network/interfaces the scripts that ifup invokes
[12:26] <tom___> and*
[12:26] <tom___> they seem to call on different configs
[12:27] <tom___> so ifup eth0 might sometimes complain an interface doesnt exist
[12:27] <tom___> but if its entered into /etc/ then ifconfig eth0 up will work
[12:27] <eagles0513875> tom___: havent had that issue
[12:28] <tom___> I think I mess too much :D
[12:28] <eagles0513875> with the file being in /etc/network though
[12:29] <eagles0513875> tom___: do you upgrade from one release to the next
[12:29] <eagles0513875> cuz i have always had nothing but major issues with it
[12:29] <eagles0513875> with doing that
[12:29] <tom___> only on my work netbook
[12:29] <tom___> server has been 10.10 from fresh
[12:30] <eagles0513875> speaking of netbooks
[12:30] <eagles0513875> i had a funny issue when cleanly installing mav on mine
[12:30] <eagles0513875> did you have the issue where it installed grub in the wrong location
[12:30] <tom___> hm I don't think so
[12:30] <eagles0513875> for me grub was installed to the MBR on my usb drive instead of to the hard disk
[12:30] <eagles0513875> so i couldnt boot unless i had the pen drive inserted
[12:31] <tom___> hah no way
[12:31] <tom___> I installed mine over the net I seem to remember
[12:31] <tom___> the advantage of being on an educational network ;)
[12:32] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:32] <eagles0513875> i think i did the same for it
[12:32] <eagles0513875> gonna try natty i think on here
[12:34] <tom___> some fany new GUI stuff going on
[12:35] <tom___> lots of updates every day
[12:35] <eagles0513875> gonna try out 4.6
[12:36] <tom___> whats that?
[12:38] <eagles0513875> kde
[12:42] <rork> I just had a full partition due to ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/soprano-virtuoso.log being filled up with what seems like the same line over and over again. I had to delete the file and reboot to get a (sort of) working OS again but I think some damage might have been don. E.G. when starting System Monitor I get "The file ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/ProcessTable.sgrd does not contain valid XML."
[12:49] <rork> It doesn't seem to happen now, the process seems to have lasted for a couple of hours. I suggest KDE users to check their free disk space or this file.
[14:08] <g0bl1n> hi, I have a Asus 1215N with NVidia ION2 and OPTIMUS. This is 2 cards inside, one from Intel, and the powerfull other one from Nvidia. Nvidia proprietary drivers seem not to be working in 10.10 in NVIDIA OPTIMUS. Will this change in 11.04 ?
[14:08] <Daekdroom> When it comes to progressbars, update-manager always gets worse and worse.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:15] <dupondje> gnome3 will be added to Natty or ?
[15:23] <Daekdroom> dupondje, it will
[15:24] <dupondje> but its not available now ?
[15:27] <Daekdroom> dupondje, it's technically still not released
[15:27] <Daekdroom> The package versions are 2.91 by now or something, which is the development version before 3.0
[15:29] <dupondje> but those packages are not default in Natty now ?
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[15:49] <popey> anyone running unity want to test something really quick and easy for me before I file a bug?
[15:51] <popey> nvm
[15:51] <trinikrono> unity keeps reseting?
[15:52] <trinikrono> i had to run it in qt
[16:09] <FloridaGuy> does 11.04 have a lot of bugs right now...or is it a pretty solid alpha
[16:10] <trinikrono> it works fine for me
[16:10] <trinikrono> just the 3d does work too good yet
[16:10] <trinikrono> * does not
[16:10] <trinikrono> go brave :D
[16:12] <FloridaGuy> ive used alot of alpha's over the years....think ill test 11.04
[16:15] <Daekdroom> Unity-qt looks dull to me :(
[16:15] <genii-around> Latest update I did about 5 minutes ago uninstalled the proprietary nvidia driver and nouveau hung machine... had to boot single with networking and manually reinstall nvidia-current
[16:15] <genii-around> ( back up now though, obviously )
[16:16] <Daekdroom> oooooo LibreOffice 3.3rc3 is available in the repos
[16:17] <FloridaGuy> trinikrono: witch is better....update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d....... altF2    brings up command box...the i put in update-manager -d    hit enter..and nothing happens
[16:19] <trinikrono> use the terminal
[16:19] <trinikrono> or  put gnome-terminal in the alt+f2 box
[16:19] <trinikrono> i would boot the iso if i where you
[16:22] <FloridaGuy> y
[16:28] <dupondje> Daekdroom: in a ppa or ? :)
[16:31] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah , I had to do that as well, then also had to use the recovery kernel and fix broken packages dialog to bootin
[16:38] <Daekdroom> dupondje, official repos
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[18:19] <Daekdroom> Compiz package got an update.
[18:19] <Daekdroom> Maybe it'll fix Unity, maybe it'll blow up my system..
[18:19] <Daekdroom> Who knows..
[18:20] <evilvish> **boom**
[18:31] <charlie-tca> To really break it, change video cards between nvidia and ati a few times without reinstalling
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[19:03] <nysosym> hi there
[19:04] <nysosym> what's the mac iso for?
[19:04] <nysosym> as far as i know, there isn't a mac with amd processor
[19:05] <patdk-wk> amd? I though it said 64bit
[19:06] <nysosym> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:06] <nysosym> amd64+mac
[19:06] <rww> "amd64" is the name of a processor architecture that works on amd64 and Intel 64.
[19:10] <Daekdroom> Intel EMT64, to be accurate
[19:11] <Daekdroom> Intel also has fully 64bits processors
[19:11] <duffolonious> heh, when I make a CompizConfig Settings Manager change - compiz segfaults
[19:12] <duffolonious> in libsigc
[19:21] <jakubo> hi, i wonder if only MY laptop hard drives are slow
[19:21] <jakubo> can anyone confirm that his are slow too?
[19:22] <jakubo> slow in terms of 30MB throughput while reading
[19:48] <jakubo> anyone here?
[19:48] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> but it doesn't seem like any one else has that issue
[19:58] <Daekdroom> !Schedule
[19:58] <ubottu> A schedule of Natty Narwhal (11.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Aww. We're already past DebianImportFreeze
[19:59] <nysosym> i tried to boot the actual natty daily, but all i got was an empty window
[19:59] <nysosym> (Macbook Pro)
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Yesterday's daily had a faulty ubiquity (partitioner was crashing libparted)
[19:59] <Daekdroom> But I believe it has been fixed.
[20:00] <nysosym> fine, but ubiquity wont start :/
[20:00] <nysosym> just an empty window
[20:01] <yofel> Daekdroom: you can file manual sync / merge requests from debian until feature freeze
[20:01] <nysosym> i have the feeling, that ubuntu get worse every release
[20:04] <BluesKaj> nysosym, sorry to hear that you think that , but natty so far has been very stable for my setup , not one crash
[20:05]  * Amaranth gets intel GPU hangs
[20:05] <Amaranth> then again I'm poking at the internals of how compiz draws stuff to the screen so I guess I could be doing something weird to it :)
[20:05] <djustice> ubuntu is getting corporate!! :p you must bend and code to someone else's will..
[20:05] <djustice> you def dont do this for fun anymore..
[20:06] <nysosym> and i think there is no need to work in a terminal to get your system to work
[20:06] <djustice> it gets 'worse' until some serious money goes somewhere for something.. eg, unity, ayatanya, utools
[20:07] <djustice> imho, the problem is the packaging scheme.. not a single packager knows lintian top to bottom.. or that last change to the debian pkg standard..
[20:07] <djustice> too complex..
[20:07] <Amaranth> ha
[20:07] <djustice> too much work to maintain..
[20:07] <Amaranth> The packaging scheme is how we can do what we do
[20:07] <djustice> indeed..
[20:08] <djustice> crash, conflict, and regress. ;)
[20:08] <Amaranth> I haven't found a better system, the others aren't as complex but don't do as much either
[20:08] <djustice> srysry
[20:08] <djustice> makepkg<3
[20:08] <Amaranth> And for the simple cases handled by those others we have simplified packaging setups
[20:09] <jakubo> should i file a bug about hard drive speed then?
[20:09] <jakubo> there are plenty of forums about slow sata drives
[20:09] <Amaranth> Even the packaging for something like compiz is pretty simple: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555948/
[20:10] <yofel> jakubo: feel free to do so, use 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[20:10] <Amaranth> _really_ simple packages only need those last two lines
[20:11] <djustice> lol! that is not simple.. but ok. im away. apologies for trolling.. rly tho... makepkg.
[20:11] <Amaranth> jakubo: I have a feeling you're seeing https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309
[20:11] <ubottu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 12309 in Block Layer "Large I/O operations result in poor interactive performance and high iowait times" [High,Reopened]
[20:11] <djustice> pacman sucks. but makepkg wins. dh_foo can burn in hell..
[20:11] <Amaranth> djustice: makepkg is "simple to use, simple system"
[20:12] <Amaranth> djustice: what you seem to want is "simple to use, complex system"
[20:12] <Amaranth> which no one has
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[20:15] <Darxus> What's the difference between this channel and #ubuntu-testing ?
[20:16] <Daekdroom> Darxus, #ubuntu-testing is for ISO testing, apparently.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> this is for support for Ubuntu development version
[20:16] <Darxus> Huh, okay.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> and has people in it that answer questions.
[20:16] <Amaranth> djustice: dude you said ours was complex, look at the makepkg one: http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/compiz/repos/community-i686/PKGBUILD
[20:17] <charlie-tca> during actual ISO testing, people in #ubuntu-testing are very helpful, but most of the time, they aren't available.
[20:17] <Darxus> What's the situation with running natty under virtualbox?  In virtualbox 4 on maverick, the installer keeps hanging around "Preparing to install Ubuntu", both with the version from the maverick repos, and the maverick version from the virtualbox site.
[20:18] <djustice> Amaranth: that's 3 diff pkgz... and how is it complex? i don't see any python calls or sed -nr stuff.. no dh_autoconfig mess..
[20:18] <djustice> simple buildsystem and make calls...
[20:18] <djustice> pkgbuilds are bash
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Darxus: let me try it. I haven't run today's images yet
[20:19] <djustice> btw, chakra is rewriting pacman.. 'correctly'.
[20:19] <Amaranth> djustice: the dh stuff is "do all that build stuff for me", the script I posted builds compiz, compiz-core, compiz-plugins, compiz-gnome, compiz-kde, libdecoration0, and libdecoration0-dev
[20:19] <djustice> libakabei/cpkg
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Darxus: Is that the daily-live or alternate image?
[20:19] <djustice> understood..
[20:19] <Amaranth> djustice: and the sed stuff is because we care about integrating with the GNOME desktop so copy the metacity settings
[20:19] <Darxus> charlie-tca: That was a daily iso.
[20:20] <Darxus> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso from yesterday.
[20:20] <djustice> still.. the debian reference is too much to grok. bash is not.
[20:20] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:20] <djustice> arch/chakra make 20 pkgbuilds to every deb..
[20:20] <charlie-tca> that has issues today.
[20:20] <Amaranth> djustice: a "debian" package that didn't care about cloning metacity settings would be 13 lines
[20:20] <Amaranth> djustice: it's a makefile
[20:20] <charlie-tca> they worked yesterday, but I think they broke again
[20:20] <Amaranth> djustice: If you don't understand makefiles you shouldn't be making packages anywhere for anything
[20:20] <djustice> i know.. ;)
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Darxus: ^ ^ ^
[20:20] <Darxus> charlie-tca: Okay, cool, thanks.
[20:21] <Darxus> Should I try alpha1?
[20:21] <djustice> point is: that way is too complex. the entry bar is too high.
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Darxus: being alpha images, they break often now. You can try alpha1
[20:21] <djustice> user joe could look at my pkgbuild and maybe tell me what's wrong with it.. having never seen one before, but knowing bash..
[20:21] <Darxus> Yeah, I understand.  Thanks.
[20:21] <djustice> kk, im gone! *poof*
[20:21] <nysosym> is 3d support possible with virtualbox4?
[20:22] <Amaranth> djustice: how is #!/usr/bin/make -f\n %:\n dh $@ complex?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> nysosym: only with guest additions installed
[20:22] <Amaranth> djustice: that's all a lot of packages need, at least packages made on the same level as anything arch does
[20:22] <Amaranth> djustice: Again, it's complex because we're doing complex things :)
[20:24] <charlie-tca> Darxus: is that before disk partitioning?
[20:24] <Darxus> charlie-tca: Yes, I believe so.  It's still at saying please ensure you have 2.6gb free....
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Darxus: Went through for me. I am at the "Who are you? " screen
[20:25] <charlie-tca> How big is the virtual drive you gave it?
[20:26] <Amaranth> djustice: also that arch package isn't even doing the right thing :)
[20:26] <Darxus> charlie-tca: I'm trying today's image now.  The virtual drive was the default 8gb.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Mine is installing here, using 12GB drive and told it to use the entire drive
[20:28] <Darxus> charlie-tca: It's gotten farther on today's image than it did on yesterday's image.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Darxus: It does default to spitting the drive now, you might have to tell it to use the entire drive instead
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Okay, good. Day to day the images are broken right now, since it is still early in the cycle
[20:29] <Darxus> Makes sense, thanks for your help.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:29] <charlie-tca> good luck with natty
[20:30] <Darxus> Heh, "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error.  A desktop session will now be run...."
[20:30] <djustice> lol ;)
[20:30] <Darxus> Thanks.  I'm trying to see what the situation is for building wayland.
[20:40] <jakubo> is there a mdadm channel i could bother?
[20:47] <Darxus> My current theory is that the best option is to install with alpha 1, and *not* "download updates while installing".
[20:47] <Darxus> Because upgrading libc failed.
[20:48] <Darxus> Is virtualbox the best free option for installing natty on a virtual machine?
[20:48] <yofel> maybe bug 680328 - I see that with muon and libc-bin
[20:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 680328 in dpkg (Ubuntu Natty) "Many postinst scripts fail using either AptDaemon, PackageKit, or QApt" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328
[20:49] <yofel> Daekdroom: probably, I use kvm, but I don't care about 3D graphics
[20:49] <Darxus> yofel: Thanks.  What's the safest way to do upgrades?  apt-get?
[20:50] <yofel> usually update-manager will work fine, if it fails try apt-get
[20:50] <Daekdroom> Tab completion is a bless and a curse, isn't it?
[20:50] <yofel> I use aptitude, but that's personal preference
[20:50] <yofel> Daekdroom: oooops, sorry :D
[20:50] <Daekdroom> I know how it is.
[20:53] <jakubo> mdadm... is there anyone to refer to?
[20:53] <Darxus> jakubo: Mailing list?
[20:54] <jakubo> i mean in chat
[20:55] <Darxus> I know.  I doubt it.  The list is http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-raid
[21:56] <Daekdroom> It annoys the hell out of me that pidgin shows up twice at indicator-messages and liferea's indicator doesn't work :(
[22:01] <Darxus> Natty sure is... in early developement :)
[22:04] <BUGabundo> evening buddies
[22:13] <Darxus> Wow, I got aptitude dist-upgrade to finish cleanly.
[22:13] <Darxus> After removing brltty-x11 and brltty.
[22:16] <Darxus> And rebooting gives me nothing but a background.  But at least ctrl-alt-t still brings up a terminal.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> It still has issues :-(
[22:19] <Darxus> It still seems like a fine time for that.
[22:30] <sam-_-> which kernel will natty use?
[22:31] <yofel> 2.6.38 according to the UDS summary
[22:32] <sam-_-> yofel: ok. thx
[23:09] <alex_mayorga> I nuked my panels by mistake :( How do I get them back?
[23:11] <rork> alex_mayorga: which window manager?
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> rork: gnome
[23:12] <duffolonious>  alex_mayorga: I just run Compiz again
[23:12] <rork> no idea unfortunately
[23:12] <alex_mayorga> duffolonious: my card doesn't quite like compiz
[23:12] <duffolonious> oh
[23:13] <duffolonious> I think you can go back to classic gnome panel
[23:13] <duffolonious> by selecting the right session on login
[23:17] <Darxus> alex_mayorga: Just run gnome-panel ?
[23:18] <Darxus> alex_mayorga: FYI, "gnome" is not a window manager.  The window manager that ships with gnome is metacity.
[23:19] <Daekdroom> But classic gnome is using compiz as well by default.
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> Darxus: thanks on enlightening me
[23:21] <Darxus> You're welcome.
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> well both the upper and lower panels are gone
[23:21] <alex_mayorga> this is on classic gnome with no compiz as far as I know
[23:22] <Daekdroom> !panels
[23:22] <ubottu> To reset the gnome panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[23:22] <Daekdroom> Try that and then running the gnome-panel command
[23:23] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: thanks!
[23:24] <Daekdroom> No problem.
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