[08:43] <evilvish> morning..
[08:50] <thorwil> good morning evilvish
[09:43] <iainfarrell> hey evilvish
[09:43] <iainfarrell> we're getting more reported issues on the artwork site again
[09:44] <iainfarrell> have you heard anything?
[09:44] <evilvish> iainfarrell: hey.. i changed a few settings , so hopefully we should have less blockers.
[09:45] <iainfarrell> cool
[09:45] <iainfarrell> would you mind replying to that person on the guest blog?
[09:45] <iainfarrell> on the blog even
[09:45] <evilvish> and think go of the devil, daker arrives ;p
[09:45] <iainfarrell> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/bright-light-and-beautiful/
[09:45] <evilvish> -go
[09:46] <daker> hello evilvish iainfarrell
[09:46] <iainfarrell> hey daker
[09:46] <evilvish> iainfarrell: OpenID is off, and new user registration should allow directly to submit..
[09:46]  * evilvish tries with new user ID
[09:47] <evilvish> daker: last comment  of the link iainfarrell just posted » The submission form seems to be broken, generating this error:
[09:47] <evilvish> “/srv/www/art.ubuntu-owl.org/htdocs/cchost_lib/cc-events.php”(222): Parameter 2 to CCEditorials::OnGetSysTags() expected to be a reference, value given [2011-01-18 20:56 pm][174.62.222.222][/submit/fullmix]
[09:47] <daker> sorry man i didn't find a solution to the OpenID stuff, it's doesn't work with php5
[09:47] <daker> Whaoo ツ
[09:48] <evilvish> daker: nah.. nvm that.. i switched off OpenID , what is that error^ during submission?
[09:48] <evilvish> wth is the second last comment! o.0
[09:49] <evilvish> iainfarrell: second last comment from Lorenza Nieva seems like spam.. maybe you can delete it.. ;)
[09:50] <evilvish> lol! 'second-degree' burn he mention as 'second-diploma' 'p
[09:52] <iainfarrell> evilvish:  done :0
[09:52] <iainfarrell> :)
[09:58] <daker> evilvish, did you test the submission form ?
[09:59] <evilvish> daker: doing it now.. it's uploading..
[10:01] <daker> really i can't understand evilvish cchost was working right (this include the openid), and now most of the functionnalities are broken
[10:02] <daker> evilvish, i think the php on the version has benn upgraded from 4 to 5 __i think__
[10:02] <evilvish> daker: hm yeah.. (and cant we rollback?) doctormo mentioned something about that.. :(
[10:02] <daker> argh :s
[10:03] <daker> s/version/server
[10:04] <daker> evilvish, reallt i have no idea
[10:04] <evilvish> gah!! same error > "/srv/www/art.ubuntu-owl.org/htdocs/cchost_lib/cc-events.php"(222): Parameter 2 to CCEditorials::OnGetSysTags() expected to be a reference, value given
[10:05] <evilvish> :(
[10:05] <evilvish> daker: could you mention what is wrong to pleia2 and see if she can get it fixed for us?
[10:07] <daker> evilvish, ok i'll try
[10:07] <evilvish> daker: if she cant maybe we'd have to ask iain to have someone take a look at it.. or maybe we can move it to a different server which has php4
[10:08] <daker> yes good idea
[10:10]  * evilvish summons iain..
[11:00] <phawk> here guys how do you get involved in ui design?
[11:26] <evilvish> iainfarrell: hey.. so the problem is, the server where the site is hosted was recently updated from php4 to php5, and that has broken a lot of cchost functions. now we either need a new server(which has php4) to host the site or someone who can fix the issue.
[11:33] <daker> exactly
[11:36] <iainfarrell> daker evilvish who's maintaining this site?
[11:36] <evilvish> iainfarrell: the site is hosted on pleia2's server
[11:37] <daker> iainfarrell, and doctormo is the responsible A
[11:37] <daker> AFAIK
[11:37] <evilvish> iainfarrell: doctormo/daker have access to the lpbranch , but neither were able to fix it..
[11:37] <iainfarrell> is there a way to back up the app, blitz it and restore
[11:37] <iainfarrell> or can we restore from a backup?
[11:38] <evilvish> iainfarrell: it all boils php5 now playing nice.. or pleia2 rolls back to php4(which i dont think is a possibility)
[11:38] <evilvish> not*
[11:38] <iainfarrell> why did we upgrade to 5?
[11:39] <evilvish> iainfarrell: well.. maybe she needed it for some other site … i dont know..  she is in california i guess so we need to wait till she is up
[11:40] <iainfarrell> hmm
[11:41] <iainfarrell> well we could just use Flickr?
[11:41] <iainfarrell> have everything in one place
[11:41] <iainfarrell> we can't really have a situation where people can't contribute
[11:41] <iainfarrell> I'll speak to doctormo when he's up
[11:41] <evilvish> iainfarrell: well.. its not an issue of not being able to submit.. we just need to look into this issue afaic..
[11:42] <evilvish> iainfarrell: cool..
[11:42]  * evilvish bbiab..
[11:51] <thorwil> phawk: i'd suggest find a project you care about, look for things to improve ui-wise
[11:51] <phawk> ok, im new to open source design stuff, where are the projects listed?
[11:52] <thorwil> phawk: get into direct contact to the developers an suggest well thought-out improvements
[11:52] <thorwil> phawk: you could look around in the ubuntu software center
[11:53] <thorwil> then there's http://gnomefiles.org/ , http://freshmeat.net/ , http://www.ohloh.net/
[11:56] <thorwil> evilvish: is there something like a needs-ui-design tag on launchpad?
[11:57] <thorwil> phawk: oh, and have a look at http://openusability.org/
[11:58] <phawk> but what about specifically contributing to the ui of ubuntu
[11:59] <thorwil> phawk: think of that as the master class, including socio-political issues
[12:00] <phawk> ok
[12:04] <thorwil> phawk: in principal, the ayatana mailing list exists for that, but in practice, mots of the time it's just endless threads of discussion with no results
[12:06] <thorwil> phawk: so besides reading up on the subject matter, if you havn't already, helping to improve a single, preferably simple application would be the best start
[12:11] <evilvish> thorwil: there is a 'needs-design' tag
[12:12] <evilvish> but very few bugs are tagged so ;p
[12:12] <thorwil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subs
[12:12] <thorwil> criber=&field.tag=needs-design&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on
[12:12] <thorwil> oops, sorry
[12:12] <evilvish> fail!
[12:12] <evilvish> ;p
[12:13] <thorwil> 18 results
[12:13] <evilvish> phawk: have you seen the Software Center design request?
[12:14] <phawk> no i have not
[12:14] <phawk> also do you guys all use gimp or are there photoshop users?
[12:14] <evilvish> phawk: well, it's not specifically UI, check it out in the tasks page on the wiki
[12:26] <thorwil> phawk: there are users of either. plus inkscape. quite  a number things are more convenient to do in vector graphics
[12:36] <phawk> yeah i know what you mean
[12:36] <phawk> does photoshop run on ubuntu
[12:36] <phawk> ?
[12:36] <phawk> through wine..
[12:39] <thorwil> phawk: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=17
[12:40] <coz_> phawk,  I believe it depends on which version of  photoshop
[12:42] <phawk> cs5
[12:47] <coz_> phawk,   mm  not sure ...did you check with the people in #winehq  about this?
[13:10] <thorwil> interview with alan kay about innovation: http://web.archive.org/web/20020613145206/http://cbi.cgey.com/journal/Issue8/Still_Waiting.html