[01:56] <Red-Raven> hey. how do you add a USB drive to a virtual machine so i can access it from that machine?
[01:58] <holstein> you need to have the closed source version Red-Raven
[01:58] <holstein> AFAIK
[01:58] <Red-Raven> fudge. is it in any of the repos?
[01:59] <Red-Raven> wait, why have people not just added it to the open source version?
[01:59] <holstein> because of the license
[02:00] <Red-Raven> oh...lame.
[02:05] <Red-Raven> so how do i find the closed source version?
[02:06] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[02:07] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: See: "Debian-based Linux distributions"
[02:08] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Also, it's not exactly "closed-source" per se. The product is still open-source, with only one or two features closed. This version is called the PUEL version, or Personal Use and Evaluation License version.
[03:03] <shawn146> hi
[03:03] <shawn146> why is linux ending support for things like compiz
[03:03] <shawn146> or canical
[03:03] <aveilleux> shawn146: I assume you mean "Canonical", and they're not. Unity is going to be based on Compiz.
[03:04] <shawn146> huh
[03:04] <shawn146> it said it was dropping compiz something extras
[03:04] <shawn146> should i go witht he upgrade to 10.4?
[03:04] <aveilleux> shawn146: Do you have a link?
[03:04] <shawn146> no
[03:04] <shawn146> its on my laptop
[03:04] <shawn146> other laptop
[03:05] <aveilleux> shawn146: 10.04? That's old. Compiz is still available on 10.10.
[03:05] <shawn146> i am before the start upgrade
[03:05] <shawn146> huh
[03:05] <shawn146> you think i should go through with the upgrade?
[03:05] <aveilleux> shawn146: I should say, "Compiz is still available as of 10.10"
[03:05] <shawn146> ah
[03:05] <aveilleux> shawn146: You should always upgrade at least to the latest LTS, which 10.04 is (unless there's a showstopper, which is rare)
[03:06] <shawn146> i think i will avoid upgrading
[03:06] <shawn146> is aw a lot of things i use will be removed
[03:06] <shawn146> *i saw
[03:06] <aveilleux> shawn146: Yes, many things will be removed and replaced with newer versions. Not to mention obsoleted software; this is normal.
[03:07] <shawn146> and the obselete is what i use
[03:07] <aveilleux> shawn146: Like what packages in particular?
[03:07] <shawn146> normal for upgrades to remove waht people use?
[03:07] <shawn146> well i can only recall vaguely
[03:08] <aveilleux> shawn146: Ubuntu rarely, if ever, removes software that the user sees.
[03:08] <shawn146> like gnome snake
[03:08] <aveilleux> shawn146: ...gnibblets is available in later versions
[03:08] <shawn146> oh
[03:09] <shawn146> will the compiz extras still be available?
[03:09] <aveilleux> shawn146: yes,
[03:09] <shawn146> oh
[03:09] <shawn146> i did the upgrade oh my virtual machine
[03:10] <shawn146> took programs off i used, never saw them again, it also kept me from using the packages i redownloaded
[03:10] <aveilleux> shawn146: Like?
[03:10] <shawn146> tron
[03:10] <shawn146> would not work after i did the upgrade
[03:10] <aveilleux> shawn146: gltron?
[03:10] <shawn146> no
[03:10] <aveilleux> shawn146: I have it on my computer right now...
[03:10] <shawn146> arma
[03:10] <shawn146> or something
[03:11] <shawn146> armetron
[03:11] <shawn146> the 3d light cycle game
[03:11] <aveilleux> armitron?
[03:11] <aveilleux> gltron.
[03:11] <shawn146> when you do search in ubuntu software center..
[03:11] <shawn146> tron
[03:11] <shawn146> the first option
[03:11] <aveilleux> shawn146: I don't use the Ubuntu Software Center and don't have it installed on my machine.
[03:11] <shawn146> oh...
[03:11] <shawn146> wow..
[03:12] <shawn146> Armagetron is what its called
[03:12] <shawn146> its pointless for me to even say anything
[03:12] <shawn146> Armagetron Advanced
[03:12] <aveilleux> shawn146: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ubuntu_Installation
[03:13] <aveilleux> shawn146: It got removed from the Ubuntu repositories, but it's definitely still around
[03:13] <shawn146> why was it removed?
[03:14] <aveilleux> shawn146: I don't know. All I know is that it's still available from the developers.
[03:14] <paultag> aveilleux: shawn146: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/armagetron/news/20070425T223910Z.html
[03:16] <paultag> Oh shoot
[03:16] <paultag> one of my really good friends was the maintainer
[03:16] <paultag> well, not really good
[03:16] <paultag> but drinking friend
[03:16] <paultag> I guess I can say that safely
[03:16] <aveilleux> shawn146: What other packages are you wondering about?
[03:16] <shawn146> i can't remember
[03:16] <shawn146> haven't seen them
[03:16] <shawn146> in a long time
[03:17] <aveilleux> shawn146: Then you should probably go look at the upgrade again
[03:18] <shawn146> -_-
[03:18] <shawn146> i did the upgrade on my virtual machine ages ago
[03:18] <holstein> i use the live CD's a lot too
[03:18] <shawn146> i am using another laptop with linux
[03:18] <holstein> put them in
[03:18] <holstein> test the hardware
[03:18] <holstein> check the repos
[03:18] <shawn146> i don't remember!
[03:18] <shawn146> i said
[03:19] <shawn146> i was going to install them on this laptop
[03:19] <shawn146> and i could if i rememebered!
[03:19] <aveilleux> shawn146: Don't panic. Always keep track of your towel.
[03:19] <shawn146> heh?
[03:20] <aveilleux> shawn146: Nothing is urgent here. Just because it's in real-time doesn't mean we need an answer right away.
[03:20] <aveilleux> shawn146: Also, the sentences above were a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
[03:21] <shawn146> ok....
[03:21] <shawn146> i don't really care
[04:22] <shawn146> bluetooth support also ended
[04:23] <shawn146> bluetooth is brand spankin new'
[04:23] <aveilleux> shawn146: I assure you it has not, as I am using a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard right now.
[04:23] <shawn146> oh
[04:23] <shawn146> i saw it in the list lol
[04:23] <shawn146> just now
[04:23] <aveilleux> shawn146: bluez replaced the old bluetooth-daemon
[04:23] <shawn146> oh well what teh hell, i will just do teh upgrade, teh laptop is for someone else
[04:23] <shawn146> oh
[04:57] <yax51> hello
[04:58] <yax51> I am trying to run borderlands in maverick, and wine doesn't like it, is there another windows emulator that I can use to do this?
[05:00] <aveilleux> yax51: Cedega, but that's commercial
[05:01] <aveilleux> yax51: Have you tried PlayOnLinux? It's a WINE frontend with tweaks for specific games
[05:01] <Cheri703> what is that one that just went free?
[05:01] <Cheri703> gametree linux
[05:01] <Cheri703> cedega became gametree linux, it's free
[05:01] <Cheri703> iirc
[05:01] <aveilleux> Oh?
[05:02] <yax51> aveilleux: I have, however, when I ran it, it said there were a bunch of missing files and closed
[05:02] <Cheri703> as much as people hate omg ubuntu: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/cedega-shutting-down-gametree-linux-born/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg!+Ubuntu!%29
[05:03] <Cheri703> bah http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/cedega-shutting-down-gametree-linux-born/
[05:15] <yax51> Cheri703: ok, ive checked out the cedega, and gametree linux pages, but there is nothing that even talks about how I use it....
[05:15] <Cheri703> no idea, sorry :/
[05:15] <aveilleux> yax51: It hasn't been released yet...
[05:16] <yax51> aveilleux: hmmm, interesting
[05:17] <aveilleux> yax51: Cedega is an older application that's being discontinued in favor of Gametree, but Gametree hasn't come out yet
[05:18] <yax51> aveilleux: that makes sense, from what I was reading though, I thought that wasthe case, but still was a little confused
[06:07]  * robbmunson yawns and stretches arms out.
[06:08] <shawn146> anybody like "Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien"
[06:08] <shawn146> ?
[06:33] <robbmunson> fun fun fun!
[06:33] <robbmunson> Laughing out Loud
[06:34] <robbmunson> in a few short minutes we're gonna gain about 40 people.....
[06:35] <robbmunson> ...hopefully....lol
[06:37]  * robbmunson twiddles thumbs while wating on the floodgates to open....
[10:43] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[10:46] <MrChrisDruif> Hai Silver_Fox_
[10:48] <Silver_Fox_> Hello MrChrisDruif
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[10:49] <Silver_Fox_> I am fine,  just doing the rounds on the forum.  How are you ?
[10:57] <MrChrisDruif> Sick @ home
[11:03] <MrChrisDruif> Off to bed...
[11:27] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[14:52] <kosaidpo_> hello guys
[14:53] <kosaidpo_> when i wanna install libreoffice but whn i update i get a lot of error as in impossible or ignored
[14:53] <kosaidpo_> any idea why
[16:03] <ShootEmUp> hello everyone
[16:11] <trinikrono> o/
[16:12] <ShootEmUp> O.O
[18:49] <AJH101> Hello, can anyone advise please? Both top and bottom panels(?) have disappeared?!
[18:52] <paultag> AJH101: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[18:52] <paultag> AJH101: enjoy :)
[18:54] <AJH101> but hot to access terminal?!
[18:55] <AJH101> how
[18:55] <trinikrono> press alt+f2
[18:56] <trinikrono> and type in gnome terminal AJH101
[18:56] <paultag> trinikrono: there's a dash
[18:56] <paultag> AJH101: applications, accessories, terminal
[18:56] <paultag> Oh, right, no panel
[18:56] <trinikrono> he has no panels
[18:56] <trinikrono> :D
[18:56] <JackyAlcine> lol
[18:56] <paultag> AJH101: trinikrono is right, alt + f2, gnome-terminal
[18:57] <trinikrono> if he types terminal he would see it also
[18:57] <AJH101> alt F2 does not wor :-(
[18:57] <AJH101> work
[18:58] <paultag> AJH101: ctrl + alt + f1
[18:58] <AJH101> ta
[18:58] <AJH101> brb
[19:40] <AJH101> paultag: sorry about that - how do i replace my panels?
[19:42] <JackyAlcine> AJH101: Replace? or restore?
[19:43] <AJH101> sorry - restore
[19:45] <JackyAlcine> AJH101: sudo gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[19:46] <AJH101> and how to access terminal?
[19:47] <AJH101> please?
[19:48] <geirha> Alt+F2 -> gnome-terminal
[19:49] <AJH101> thans
[19:49] <geirha> Though you need to run the command JackyAlcine said WITHOUT sudo
[19:49] <geirha> If you run it with sudo you may get permission problems later.
[19:49] <JackyAlcine> geriha: Yeah, sorry. =x
[20:18] <tenach> Has anyone used mod_cband for apache2 in Ubuntu?
[20:18] <tenach> or mod_bw?
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> I have some wmv files that I'd like to convert (to whatever) and join, but sound gets choppy each time I try
[20:39] <bioterror> and?
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> and I'd like it not to
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> I've tried various mencoder things
[20:49] <kristian-aalborg> ah, it appears avidemux does the trick
[21:14] <Red-Raven> hey.
[21:14] <kristian-aalborg> hi Red-Raven
[21:15] <Red-Raven> anyone know a good site to start learning Python?
[21:15] <kristian-aalborg> not me... did you get the ubs pen working?
[21:16] <Red-Raven> nope. gave up. im going to get a new 34 GB drive from BJs. but i'll hang onto it and try to crack it in the future.
[21:16] <kristian-aalborg> it may just be broken, of course
[21:16] <yofel> Red-Raven: you could try http://diveintopython.org/toc/index.html - that's the only one I can remeber offhand
[21:18] <pedro3005> you can learn it directly from the source, like a boss
[21:18] <pedro3005> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[21:18] <Red-Raven> thx. i don't have too much experience with programing. all i know is a little html, and that;s hardly programing. should i even start with Python or learn something else first?
[21:18] <pedro3005> python was my first language, worked out alright
[21:18] <yofel> python is good as it forces proper writing style and is pretty easy to read
[21:19] <pedro3005> *sometimes*
[21:19] <yofel> yeah, sometimes
[21:19] <pedro3005> I know a guy who's particularly fond of writing giant lambdas and nested list comprehensions
[21:19] <pedro3005> I hate reading his code
[21:19] <yofel> ohmy..
[21:19] <Red-Raven> thats what i've been reading, i don't understand any of it. like when they start talking about arguements, modules, arrays, etc.
[21:20] <yofel> Red-Raven: start slowly and you'll get it with the time, not really hard, just a lot of new vocabulary
[21:20] <pedro3005> do you have a mentor yet? if not, and if you want, I could... I'm kind of known around here for mentoring people on python
[21:20] <yofel> you *are* learning a new language after all
[21:21] <Red-Raven> well, my grandfather knows a lot about it. he's got a freaking library of books on it.
[21:21] <pedro3005> but yes. modules, arrays and arguments are concepts which (nearly) all programming languages use
[21:24] <Red-Raven> cool. i'll probably just google the vocab as i get to it. and borrow some of his books. unfortunately, they're huge. i hope they have pictures....(LOL)
[21:25] <yofel> pictures rarely make sense here, they should have examples though
[21:25] <Red-Raven> yah i know. so Python is built into the Terminal right?
[21:25] <pedro3005> yeah, I can't really see the usage of pictures
[21:26] <pedro3005> except for like
[21:26] <pedro3005> "here's your brain: O here's your brain after hours of coding: ."
[21:26] <yofel> haha
[21:26] <pedro3005> no Red-Raven , but it comes with ubuntu by default.
[21:26] <pedro3005> or a graph
[21:27] <Red-Raven> then how do i start it? i keep seeing where you just type python into the terminal.
[21:27] <pedro3005> "willingness to follow proper coding styles X time spent coding" -- direct decrease
[21:27] <yofel> Red-Raven: yes, that's how you start it, but it's still a seperate application
[21:27] <yofel> built into the terminal would mean something along of 'it's part of bash' - which it is not
[21:28] <Red-Raven> oh so once i type in python, its not really the terminal anymore.
[21:28] <pedro3005> no, it's python's interpreter
[21:28] <yofel> wait
[21:28] <yofel> nvm, pedro3005 said it right
[21:31] <pedro3005> Red-Raven, this is also a good book on it http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/
[21:32] <Red-Raven> thx.
[21:33] <Red-Raven> so the interpreter is where you create your programs?
[21:33] <pedro3005> no, you type your program in any text editor
[21:33] <Red-Raven> and the interpreter runs it?
[21:33] <pedro3005> yes
[21:34] <pedro3005> save your code as "something.py"
[21:34] <pedro3005> and then run on the terminal
[21:34] <pedro3005> python something.py
[21:34] <pedro3005> it'll run it
[21:34] <Red-Raven> glad to get that cleared up. are there any programs that make it faster? like MS Visual studio for C++ (and others)?
[21:35] <pedro3005> what do you mean by make it faster?
[21:35] <Red-Raven> well like programs built for programing.
[21:35] <yofel> if you mean an IDE, there's idle for python
[21:35] <yofel> though there are probably better ones
[21:35] <yofel> (I hope)
[21:36] <pedro3005> IDLE is horrible, kill it
[21:36] <pedro3005> with fire
[21:36] <Red-Raven> like how if you want to create a big web page you don't do it by hand, you use another program (like MS visual Studio)
[21:36] <Red-Raven> i think there's one called dream weaver to.
[21:37]  * robbmunson feels ears bleed at the thought of MS....
[21:37] <pedro3005> There are programs for easily creating GUIs
[21:37] <pedro3005> which you can import into your python code
[21:37] <Red-Raven> sry, only example i had.
[21:37] <robbmunson> lol, was only kidding :)
[21:37] <yofel> well, MS Visual Studio would be an IDE
[21:37] <Red-Raven> ik.
[21:37] <pedro3005> But more over, you don't really have "click and drag" programs for programming
[21:38] <Red-Raven> pedro3005, i didn't mean click and drag.
[21:38] <pedro3005> To help you achieve big things you have libraries etc
[21:39] <pedro3005> Red-Raven, you can try IDEs like Eclipse and Netbeans if you fancy them
[21:39] <Red-Raven> ok i googled it. yah, i guess i do mean an IDE. something that makes big programing jobs a lot faster.
[21:39] <pedro3005> I doubt it makes it a *lot* faster though
[21:40] <pedro3005> they only help you keep track of your variables, classes and whatnot, do some debugging perhaps, change indentation
[21:40] <pedro3005> minimal stuff, useful but not a huge boost
[21:41] <Red-Raven> i was just wondering. im going to code by hand, but i just wanted to know if there was something like that out there because my only experience with C++ had been in MS visual (not that you could really call it experience. the teacher kind of carries us through it and we had no idea what we were REALLY doing.)
[21:42] <pedro3005> Not as far as I'm aware
[21:42] <yofel> Red-Raven: what you probably need now is a text editor with syntax highlighting, even gedit can do that
[21:42] <yofel> that'll be enough for the start
[21:42] <pedro3005> yeah
[21:43] <pedro3005> I don't use more than that
[21:43] <pedro3005> Well I use geany but only because it makes compiling C code faster
[21:43]  * yofel uses VIM - and not even 5% of it's features to be  honest..
[21:44] <Red-Raven> can you use Python to make apps for mobile platfoms? i would assume you could with the Android. (again, just wondering.)
[21:44] <pedro3005> Yeah, you can
[21:44] <pedro3005> some Nokia phones run python
[21:44] <pedro3005> I have a friend who owns one, it's fun
[21:45] <Red-Raven> awesome! exept i own an ipod touch. oh wait, stupid apple SDK....
[21:46] <pedro3005> python is a fun language with libraries to do almost anything you want
[21:47] <Red-Raven> cool. found the python highlight in gedit.
[21:47] <pedro3005> it automatically picks it up if you save the file as .py
[21:47] <Red-Raven> awesome. does making it .py do anything else?
[21:48] <pedro3005> well I never tried running python code without the py extension
[21:48] <pedro3005> I don't know
[21:48] <Red-Raven> well, thanks for getting my started guys. i'll defiantly be borrowing some books soon.
[21:49] <pedro3005> good luck
[21:49] <pedro3005> I'll be happy to answer more questions when you have them
[21:50] <Red-Raven> thx. again, this has got to be the best community ever. many others would have kicked a noob like me out by now. hopefully i'll be able to help people like me someday.
[21:51] <yofel> sure you will, until then, we are here ;)
[21:53] <Red-Raven> that's whats great about open-source, community-driven software i guess. and now, on to Spanish homework. i wonder if i could write code in Spanish....
[21:54] <pedro3005> habla "Hola, mundo!"
[21:55] <robbmunson> Red-Raven, as long as the compiler interprets it, go for it!
[21:55] <pedro3005> encuanto n > 1:
[21:56] <pedro3005>     aumenta n;
[21:56] <pedro3005> :P
 Coding es muy divertido! </Capesa>
[21:56] <pedro3005> one of the reasons Haskell is nice, it has almost no english keywords
[21:57] <Red-Raven> i actually should do that. once i get to know Python. i should write a Spanish Python app that uses GPS to help them evade border patrol! (JK)
[21:57] <yofel> you could write in whitespace, that has no keywords at all
[21:58] <yofel> let's leave the crazy programming languages for another time though..
[21:58] <Red-Raven> agreed.
[21:58] <robbmunson> Red-Raven, seems like BP has enough problems on their hands without you.
[21:58] <robbmunson> (I do mean BOTH BP's....lol)
[21:58] <pedro3005> aw, come on
[21:59] <pedro3005> crazy programming languages are the best
[21:59] <pedro3005> brainfuck for instance....
[21:59] <Red-Raven> lol yah. an app to track oil spills...
[21:59] <yofel> agreed ^^
[21:59] <pedro3005> I still love my string to brainfuck converter
[22:23] <Red-Raven> how do i open the current terminal directory in nautilus? i can find the folder im looking for in terminal but not in nautilus.
[22:24] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: I think I know...lemma try first :)
[22:25] <bioterror> Red-Raven, ctrl+l
[22:25] <bioterror> you can type the path in nautilus
[22:26] <bioterror> if that feels too complicated
[22:26] <bioterror> type in terminal: pwd
[22:26] <bioterror> and copy that line what it prompts to your nautilus after pressing ctrl+l
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> I think he means the other way around bioterror, that he cd'ed to a location in terminal and want to open it in nautilus
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> For that you just have to typ "nautilus ./"
[22:28] <Red-Raven> yah. i can get into the folder in terminal but not nautilus.
[22:28] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, thunar doesnt need ./ ;)
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...
[22:28] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe Nautilus also :)
[22:29] <bioterror> dunno, havent used for a while
[22:29] <bioterror> and ofcourse you can use & in the end of the command
[22:29] <Red-Raven> im looking for the Xchat sound files. it says its in home/red-raven/.xchat2/sound.
[22:29] <bioterror> which would be smarter
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> Nautilus does....otherwise it goes to your home :)
[22:30] <bioterror> Red-Raven, enable show hidden files
[22:30] <Red-Raven> ctr+h?
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: Indeed...
[22:30] <MrChrisDruif> Otherwise does the program run in terminal :P
[22:31] <Red-Raven> thx!
[22:31]  * bioterror still prefers term dot files
[22:31] <Red-Raven> so dot file=hidden>
[22:32] <Red-Raven> ?*
[22:33] <bioterror> Red-Raven, technically yes. ls and file browsers doesnt show . -files by default
[22:33] <bioterror> as they are mostly just configurations
[22:33] <bioterror> but I'm off to bed
[22:33] <Red-Raven> glad to know that. this has happened before.
[22:33] <Red-Raven> where are you?
[22:33] <bioterror> I'm at home :D
[22:34] <Red-Raven> country?
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> bioterror: How do you show .files in term?
[22:34] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, ls -la
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[22:34] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, ls -lah
[22:34] <Red-Raven> they aren't hidden in terminal. at least not from cd. from ls they are.
[22:35] <bioterror> Red-Raven, that's becouse of completion
[22:35] <Red-Raven> um, ok.
[22:35] <bioterror> if you tab completed
[22:35] <bioterror> it can sniff them
[22:35] <Red-Raven> i didnt. just cd .xchat2
[22:35] <bioterror> well
[22:36] <bioterror> you can type in nautilus too ~/.xchat2
[22:36] <Red-Raven> i tried. didn't come up till i did ctr+h
[22:36] <bioterror> my thunar 1.2.0 goes without a problem into a .directory
[22:38] <Red-Raven> is thunar built-in on Xfce?
[22:38] <bioterror> yes
[22:38] <bioterror> it's part of xfce
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> Xfce uses it by default...
[22:38] <bioterror> but I'm not using XFce ;)
[22:38] <Red-Raven> sry, ik you need to go.
[22:38] <bioterror> I'm just using pieces from there and some from elsewhere
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> Was developed for Xfce I even believe...
[22:40] <bioterror> but laters
[22:40] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well bioterror :)
[22:41] <Red-Raven> yah i need to get on my homework. might be back later though. cya!
[22:41] <Red-Raven> and again, thx everyone.
[22:41] <MrChrisDruif> I won't Red-Raven...I'll be off to bed aswell :P
[22:42]  * robbmunson sighs
[22:43] <robbmunson> I think the zombie apocalypse is coming.....
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> robbmunson: Would be nice :)
[22:43] <robbmunson> My internet, my tv, my electricity....it all....vanished!
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> How come your still online? =-O
[22:44]  * robbmunson went back to the stone age temporarily....and it was scary....SCARY I TELL YOU!
[22:44] <robbmunson> MrChrisDruif, I begged the technology gods to let me have something back.
[22:44] <MrChrisDruif> And they gave both internet and electricity back? :D
[22:45] <robbmunson> yes, I was amazed!
[23:23] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well all