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ipatrolWhy, exactly, did they change from that warm brown theme after karmic?01:14
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smoserandreserl, yes, possible.03:33
smoserandreserl, when it boots, you get a grub console at which you can interupt it and select a different entry. then provide that entry with a "seed" (url where to find its user-data and meta-data) files.03:34
smoserbut it is manual to stop that boot process. you could recreate the floppy and replace the one bundled with one of your own.03:34
andreserlsmoser: so to make it automatic, I'd need to create a custom floppy then. thanks for the info04:33
smoseryeah. or modify the image (mount loopback)04:34
smoserbut you can create the custom floppy without root04:34
andreserlsmoser: I think that the easiest would be to provide a floppy for my case. I'll ping you when I get to that point :)04:38
smoserandreserl, the floppy is made by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds/view/head:/mk-nocloud-bootdisk04:40
smoserjust hack the first menu entry with a 'seedfrom' location like: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images04:41
andreserlsmoser: awesome!! thanks!04:59
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ScottKmaxb: We can talk backports if ubuntu-sru says no to it, but they should get first crack at it.05:31
maxbScottK: Hrm. Very well. I just don't see how "skip several upstream versions forward" can be SRUable05:54
ignarpscan anyone comment what may be holding up bug #683640 this effects more then the listed application06:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 683640 in lsb (Ubuntu) "status_of_proc is returning incorrect error code" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68364006:14
didrocksgood morning08:30
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pittiGood morning09:02
pittisuperm1: we can also just merge from trunk and upload that, sure09:02
freeflyingpitti: would you mind give me the bzr repo for language-support-input-xx? thanks09:07
pittifreeflying: these are autogenerated by lp:langpack-o-matic09:08
pittithere is no bzr for the actual langpacks09:08
freeflyingpitti: noted, thanks09:08
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sorenHow certain are we that UDS-O will be in Budapest May 9th - 13th?09:28
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nigelbsoren: hrm, depends on how much you trust whoever announced it last time (jono?)09:31
sorennigelb: I forget who it was. Robbie gave us the dates a long time ago. Maybe in Brussels.09:37
sorennigelb: ...and then we got the dates again along with a location in Orlando.09:37
nigelbsoren: Yeah, I remember robbie's mail.  I'm guessing your question has to do with tickets?09:38
nigelb(early booking?)09:38
sorennigelb: Yup.09:39
sorennigelb: And planning other events.09:39
janimoLaney, do you know why haskell-utf8-string is not in the archives starting with 10.10 ?09:39
nigelbsoren: hrm, best person to confirm with would be randa, I believe she deals with the events09:40
sorenWhat, still?09:40
sorenjanimo: it was removed after Karmic.09:41
sorenjanimo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-utf8-string/+publishinghistory says it's because it's now provided by ghc6.09:41
nigelbsoren: *cough* entirely guesswork and you can't quote me etc ;)09:42
janimosoren, thanks for the links09:42
sorenjanimo: If you expand the entry where it's deleted, you can see the reason stated by the archive admin.09:42
sorenjanimo: Sure thing.09:42
sorenjanimo: And welcome back, by the way :)09:42
janimosoren, thanks :) . LP apparently has lots of useful info behind those small-typed links09:45
nigelbsoren: Hey, just asked randa.  She says its confirmed 100% May 9th - 13th :)09:49
sorennigelb: Awesome. Thanks.09:51
nigelbsoren: :)09:51
sorennigelb: Oh, did she also confirm that it would be in Budapest? :)09:52
nigelbsoren: yup09:52
sorennigelb: Lovely. Thanks!09:52
nigelbsoren: :D09:52
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djszapiWhat is the execution order amonst upstart config jobs ? I would like to know which is the first job run because I would liket o start an auditd daemon during the boot asap.10:18
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* ogra glares at his bug mailbox ... how did over 100 bugs pile up over night ?10:23
ogragrmbl ... maverick to natty really doesnt give me a nice upgrade experience10:46
ografirst i had to answer the kbd selection for (felt) 59 times ... now the pae kernel cant install10:47
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seb128doko_, hey, did you sent your evince bug fix to upstream? could you include the bug references in the patches so it makes tracking easier?11:42
doko_seb128: no, just forwarded to Debian. what do you with bug references?11:44
doko_seb128: btw, evince still ftbfs, gir-scanner issue?11:44
seb128doko_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines11:44
seb128doko_, including the debian or upstream bug reference in the patch makes easier for other people to figure if the patch has been forwarded and where11:45
seb128doko_, right, it still fail to build it seems, not sure why though11:46
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ari-tczewJamesPage: any news on bug 682216 ?11:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 682216 in jython (Ubuntu) "Merge jython 2.5.1-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68221611:59
seb128doko_, the debian guys are asking if you will forward your patch upstream as well since that"s an upstream issue11:59
JamesPageari-tczew: looking now but think its still pending MIR approval for dependencies...11:59
JamesPageari-tczew: OK - now I remember12:00
doko_seb128: wouldn't mind if you could do that12:01
seb128doko_, ok, can do12:01
JamesPageari-tczew: this merge is dependent on a later version of antlr3 - however the newer version of antlr3 switched build system from ant->maven12:01
JamesPageari-tczew: which currently means it blocked as antlr3 is in main12:02
JamesPageari-tczew: and maven is not....12:02
JamesPageari-tczew: the main inclusion approval list is 75 new packages universe -> main12:03
ari-tczewJamesPage: too big job12:04
JamesPageari-tczew: yep - considering the capacity the MIR team has I don't think this is achievable12:04
ari-tczewJamesPage: well, jython won't merged then12:05
JamesPageari-tczew: :-( not great I know12:07
JamesPageari-tczew: I intend on taking a blueprint to the next UDS about moving the Maven toolchain to main12:10
ari-tczewJamesPage: aha12:10
JamesPageari-tczew: which should help unblock some of this stuff (most new Java projects are maven based)12:11
ari-tczewJamesPage: then would be nice move maven to main12:11
JamesPageari-tczew: agreed12:12
doko_seb128: btw, a lot of the gnome-* related reports in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=no-add-needed;users=peter.fritzsche@gmx.de seem to be addressed, but not closed in debian12:16
om26erapw, hi! could you review and sponsor this branch for a SRU https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/maverick/empathy/empathy-fix-666288/+merge/4574012:18
seb128doko_, do you mean that they are fixed bug nobody closed the bugs or that they have patches but nobody uploaded those?12:20
doko_seb128: the former, didn't check the latter12:20
apwom26er, well the merge request looks good to my eye, patches look identicle to what went into natty, not sure i have the ability to actually merge it however12:23
om26erapw, they are same12:25
apwom26er, thanks for the confirmation, am finding out what happens now12:26
apwom26er, ok that looks sane to me, so i have approved the merge will look for someone to actually upload12:29
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apwom26er, ok thats going to be looked at shortly, thank you!12:40
om26erapw, thank you ;)12:40
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ograRiddell, any trace of that new qt upstream release ? (/me really wants to upgrade his arm stuff to natty but that wont work without NEON runtime detection)13:19
Riddellogra: there hasn't been a new upstream release, I can ask if one is likely to be coming.  you could search git for the neon detection feature to patch in if needed13:24
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ograRiddell, well, i think its a quite intrusive change, i'll rather wait for a new upstream for that13:33
Riddellogra: my usual upstream contact isn't online, I'll ping him when he's around13:38
ograthanks, i would love to test unity-2d on arm13:39
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sorenIs there an existing tool that will tell me which packages I have installed that are not from the Ubuntu repository?14:03
seb128soren, check with mvo byt synaptic has a category for those iirc14:04
seb128not sure how it does the checking or if there is a command line equivalent though14:04
sorenseb128: Cool, thanks.14:05
sorenseb128: Do you happen to know where mvo is?14:05
didrockssoren: I think he's at the cross-distro installer meeting14:06
seb128soren, what didrocks said14:06
seb128where installer is package installer not ubiquity installer14:06
sorenOooh. Gotcha.14:06
sorenseb128, didrocks: Thanks.14:07
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cjwatsonpitti: could you have a look at debian-installer in lucid-proposed?14:21
cjwatsonit's a bit bigger than the usual regular update14:21
pitticjwatson: hi! sure14:21
pittiERROR: queue does not have a debdiff14:22
* pitti reviews manually14:22
pitticjwatson: oh, we'll produce a new CD image for the maverick backport?14:24
cjwatsonthe plan's recorded in bug 60765714:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 607657 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Lucid) "Lucid point release installer must support LTS backported Kernels" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60765714:24
cjwatsonit'll be PXE-boot images plus DVDs14:24
cjwatsonI have a debian-cd patch ready to add these images to the DVDs14:25
pittiah, understood, thanks14:26
andreserlcan anyone please take a look to bug #52528714:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 525287 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "Add support for corosync based clusters in clvm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52528714:30
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cjwatsonpitti: thanks14:35
kklimondahey, could someone take a look at proposed changes to the transmission license and comment on their compatibility with dfsg: http://pastebin.com/ZCQf9KWm ?14:40
Warlock072hey guys14:45
cjwatsonkklimonda: requiring the name to be changed is fine (DFSG#4), but I'm not sure whether the rest of it is essentially an extension to the name-change requirement or is separate (in particular surely any package of Transmission is a derived work of Transmission, so in practice wouldn't this mean it'd have to be iceweasel-ified?).  I would recommend asking debian-legal14:45
Warlock072note sure if anyone here can help me14:45
Warlock072ive got ubuntu lucid server showing high cpu usuage on this command ksoftirqd14:46
Warlock072anyone know what ksoftirqd is?14:47
apwWarlock072, that sounds kernelly to me ... i'd suggest you bring that up on #ubuntu-kernel14:47
Warlock072google gives me alot of various explanations14:47
Warlock072thanks will ask there14:47
apwWarlock072, it is a kernel thread which handles interupts which are long running, which cannot occur in interrupt context; firmly part of the kernel14:48
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Warlock072the makes ait more sense14:48
kklimondacjwatson: getting a consent from the Transmission devs to create a "derived work" (package) would not be enough, because we can't give the same consent to, for example, distributions that are based on Ubuntu?14:49
Warlock072makes sense i mean14:50
cjwatsonkklimonda: indeed14:53
cjwatsonkklimonda: I'm not really an expert in DFSG analysis, though14:54
kklimondacjwatson: ok, I'll send the proposed changes to the debian-legal and see what they say about it.14:54
cjwatsonpitti: linux/lucid-proposed looks releasable to me, since the only unverified bugs are the tracking bugs - does that seem right?14:57
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pitticjwatson: right, we need the feedback from QA and cert for this now14:58
cjwatsonoh, they verify the tracking bug separately then?14:58
pitticjwatson: yes, they run the regression tests on it (QA), and the certification tests (cert)14:59
cody-somervilledear kernel team, please blacklist dell-laptop module, kthxbi. :-)14:59
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nigelbgah, bilal isn't around :(15:19
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apwcody-somerville, !?!16:02
bdmurraydoko_: I've run into bug 504198 again on a Lucid system16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 504198 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "locale support broken on upgrade to latest eglibc" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50419816:24
doko_bdmurray: I don't understand why ... I prepared updates for maverick and natty16:25
doko_bdmurray: does running the local-purge manually fix it?16:26
bdmurraydoko_: hmm well the workaround (locale-gen --purge) didn't work either16:26
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pittibarry: I got c-j ported to pygi, see https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/computer-janitor/pygi/+merge/4677916:30
\shNCommander: congrats :)16:38
barrypitti: rock!  think we should switch to that for natty?16:41
barrypitti: i'm going to grab some lunch, but i'll review and test the branch later today.  this is really great16:42
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pittibarry: I think yes; losing the right-click popup menu isn't that bad really, and I made it cope gracefully16:43
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pittibarry: I looked into gtk, but it's really not possible to make gtk_menu_popup() introspectable16:43
pittias there is no well-defined scope for the callback if you pass one16:43
pittipopup_for_device() has, because it has an explicit GDestroyNotify16:43
barrypitti: does that mean, you can't tell where the click occurred?16:43
pittino, because of menu_poup() (see above and the debian changelog)16:44
barrypitti: ah, okay.  i'll take a look at the code and changelog and ping you if i have questions16:44
\shdoko_: any fix for the -z syms unknown gcc 4.6 bugger? (remove "-z foo"?)16:46
RoAkSoAxcjwatson: howdy!! if you have the time could you please take a look to bug #52528716:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 525287 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "Add support for corosync based clusters in clvm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52528716:46
pittibarry: the MP has instructions how to test it (needs a newer pygobject)16:46
pittibarry: sprint is making great progress, btw :) fixing bugs by the dozens, and getting to know the pygi folks16:46
ari-tczewcjwatson: could you check whether binary package libmtdev1-udeb is necessary for us in Ubuntu? I'm merging source mtdev, but Debian has dropped this binary.16:48
barrypitti: that is *very* good news.  i'd love to get a braindump when you're back from the sprint, re: feasibility of the transition we talked about16:48
* barry -> lunch16:48
pittibarry: I'll do a long blog post after the week16:48
superm1pitti, sure that works.  would you like me to do that?16:51
cjwatsonRoAkSoAx: sorry, I have critical-path 10.04.2 things to do at the moment, so probably won't have time16:52
cjwatsonperhaps somebody else on the sponsors list can do it16:52
ari-tczewRoAkSoAx: I saw dholbach has sponsored something some minutes ago, maybe he could :)16:53
RoAkSoAxcjwatson: no worries then, I was just wondering if someone from foundations could take a look at it before getting it sponsored, given that zul himself doesn't wanna touch lvm2 :)16:54
cjwatsonari-tczew: we're after Debian import freeze - is there a good reason to do a difficult merge?16:54
RoAkSoAxari-tczew: thanks for the info but I'd like someone from foundations team to review it given that we don't wanna break lvm2 :)16:54
ari-tczewcjwatson: Debian has new usptream release, would be nice to get it.16:55
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cjwatsonari-tczew: in any case, yes, we need to keep libmtdev1-udeb - xserver-xorg-input-evdev-udeb indirectly depends on it16:56
cjwatson(in Ubuntu)16:56
ari-tczewcjwatson: ok, then I'm keeping16:57
cjwatsonDebian generally doesn't introduce new udebs except when needed by their own dependencies, since they have a release management overhead16:57
cjwatsonso if their X udebs don't include utouch integration then they wouldn't have included this one16:57
apwcjwatson, did i see you'd fixed marjos issue grub side ?16:57
cjwatsonapw: not yet uploaded, but yes16:58
cjwatsonI haven't had a chance to reboot since committing that16:58
ari-tczewah, right - my boot logo has been fixed!16:58
ari-tczewtoday I noticed16:58
apwcjwatson, i am trying to raise intel experts to help debug the other half16:58
cjwatsonthat was pitti16:58
cjwatsonapw: cool16:58
* SpamapS rejoices as his lucid eglibc build appears to be finishing17:06
cody-somervilleapw, LP #70125917:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 701259 in linux (Ubuntu) "dell-laptop module hard blocks wifi on Dell Vostro 1520" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70125917:08
apwcody-somerville, you would think that dell might keep dell-laptop module working for their kit mightn't you17:09
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cody-somervilleapw, It was actually written by Red Hat (Matthew Garret specifically).17:18
apwcody-somerville, you'd think they'd care for and love it none the less (dell)17:20
smoserpitti, or sru team, can i get someone to let euca2ools (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=) into -proposed ?17:24
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* jdong ponders if bug 704674 is a security vulnerability....17:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704674 in mumble (Ubuntu Maverick) "mumble-server creates world readable config file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70467417:36
SpamapSdoko_: ok I have eglibc built and tested .. can you copy your upstart changes to p.c.c/~doko/tmp too?17:37
micahgcould someone please give me bug tasks on bug 705028 (core-dev or QA)17:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 705028 in thunderbird-locales (Ubuntu) "Update Thunderbird translations to 3.1.7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70502817:43
jdongkees: would you like to give an opinion on bug 704674? I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to SRU it or treat it as a security vuln17:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704674 in mumble (Ubuntu Maverick) "mumble-server creates world readable config file" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70467417:44
kenvandinedoko_, did you ever get a chance to look at bug 68873217:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 688732 in pywebkitgtk (Ubuntu) "package no longer has WebView attribute after transition to python 2.7" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68873217:48
seb128barry, ^ or maybe you?17:48
kenvandineit only happens on upgrade, not install17:49
seb128barry, doko: the bug is collecting duplicates, not sure what's going on but if someone who understand python packaging has a clue that would be welcome17:49
ari-tczeware we going to get perl 5.12 and openssl 1.0 in Ubuntu 11.10 ?17:49
seb128seems leftovers on upgrade or something17:50
kenvandineseb128, no, it actually gets put there on upgrade17:50
SpamapSari-tczew: assuming squeeze releases by then, I'd say yes. Otherwise, tough to get too far out of sync w/ debian on those pieces.17:50
kenvandinewe first saw it when py2.7 was first added17:50
seb128kenvandine, ok, weird, I didn't get that issue17:51
ari-tczewSpamapS: I can imagine bilion rebuilds and transitions.17:51
kenvandinewell, i think it might be limited to people that upgraded at a certain time17:51
kenvandineduring the transition/dual install17:51
micahgsqueeze release is tentatively 1st week of Feb17:51
SpamapSmicahg: I did see that the RC bug list has gotten rather small17:51
SpamapStho I'm pretty sure there's a bug in squeeze's libdbi17:52
kenvandineseb128, i seem to recall not hitting that problem when i upgraded my VMs either... but my laptop that gets updated daily did17:52
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superm1apw, a bunch of patches got dropped when it was rebased to upstream.  mjg59 didn't like some of them and didn't accept them17:53
superm1it was his view that they should be fixed in the BIOS, which wasn't going to happen after the platforms launched.17:54
apwsuperm1, a problem indeed17:54
keesjdong: security would be fine for that. it's pretty minor, so I wouldn't cry if it was done as an SRU too.17:55
superm1keng-yu has hit the same problem with some recent patches that he wanted to submit that mjg59 won't take on the same basis17:55
jdongkees: okay. I think I'll recommend that it be done as a security update then.17:58
keesjdong: cool by me. once there are tested debdiffs, we can publish it17:58
apwsuperm1, a difficulty indeed, i can see both sides, having inviolate bios after releaase does make the world a hard place18:00
debfxjdong: I wonder if it would be a good idea to add a NEWS.Debian file saying that one should check the permissions of mumble-server.ini18:03
jdongdebfx: my experience honestly is that 90% of sysadmins don't go around chasing those obscure files in /usr/share/doc... The permissions should be automatically corrected during the update, and a USN should go out about it so admins know that SQL passwords coudl've been read by local users18:04
debfxjdong: well apt-listchanges displays NEWS files if it's installed :)18:07
jdongdo people tend to do that?18:08
* jdong exposes himself as a shamefully incompetent sysadm18:08
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debfxno idea18:15
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debfxanyway I'll prepare new debdiffs targeting *-security18:16
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jamdendrobates: ping, I was told you might know something about lp:~sleepsonthefloor18:27
RoAkSoAxwhat kernel version is gonna be in natty?18:36
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hallynoh neat, maximizing a terminal in unity now gets rid of the side bar19:08
SpamapSdoko_: tested libc6 change and upstart change on lucid, works perfectly19:26
Davieysconklin, Are you still piloting?19:38
sconklinDaviey: yes, how can I help?19:39
sconklindisclaimer: I am a kernel type, so not all that skilled with things like bzr19:40
Davieysconklin, https://code.launchpad.net/~davewalker/ubuntu/natty/ocfs2-tools/bug_363877/+merge/4680719:40
barryrickspencer3: ping19:41
sconklinDaviey: I'm sorry but I don't even know what to do with that19:41
SpamapSdoko_: strike that, there's still a race19:41
SpamapSdoko_: will comment in the bug19:42
Davieysconklin, Okay, no problem - thanks anyway.19:42
SpamapSdoko_: basically we need telinit u to wait for init to actually restart itself.19:42
barryrickspencer3: what's the detail with the daily-journal package? is that in natty?19:42
sconklinI'm sorry, I feel like I've done some false advertising19:42
Davieysconklin, heh, don't feel bad.  What is the aspect of it that makes you run for the hills?19:43
sconklinI don't know what that is, or how to do whatever is required. It looks like maybe a request to merge something, but I don't use bzr and wouldn't know how to do it19:44
Davieysconklin, It's essentially a posh debdiff.19:44
Daviey'merge' in the sense of upload.. slight miss use of terminology. ho hum19:45
Davieysconklin, dholbach is doing some docs on all this aiui... might be useful in the future.19:46
DavieyThanks for your time anyway.19:46
barryrickspencer3: nm19:47
jamdendrobates: just another quick ping20:01
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DarxusIs there an irc channel specific to testing natty?  In virtualbox 4, the installer keeps hanging around "Preparing to install Ubuntu", both with the version from the maverick repos, and the maverick version from the virtualbox site.20:12
PiciDarxus: #ubuntu+120:13
charlie-tcaDarxus: yes, it is #ubuntu+120:13
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DarxusHuh, I had just determined it was #ubuntu-testing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing20:14
lifelesssoren: ping20:22
* lifeless is hopeful20:22
sorenlifeless: Wazzip?20:23
sorenwazzup, even.20:23
lifelessso we're seeing 11K ssh connections from an openstack daemon or something20:23
lifeless#launchpad-dev perhaps20:23
vladsharphow long do ppa signing keys take to generate?20:27
vladsharpis it normal for the key to have an id on the web page but actually not be available on the ubuntu keyserver?20:28
doko_SpamapS: no rush on this, just wanted to try to get the fix before the sru release20:28
SpamapSdoko_: there's another libc6 update?20:28
doko_SpamapS: no just the str* fix which I did include20:31
SpamapSdoko_: every time we update upstart or libc6 without doing this particular update, we are risking more rootfs corruptions. :(20:32
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Laneyjanimo: cheers for the haskell rebuilds (have you seen the installability graphs?)21:42
andreolihi, I am trying to read PPA stats through a "ppastats.py" script found here: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/12/launchpad-finally-gets-ppa-usage-stats.html . I only get zeroes. Are the PPA stats active?21:42
Laneyandreoli: PPA questions should be in #launchpad21:42
andreolithx sorry21:42
janimoLaney, np. I did not initially intend to do all of them - had no idea there's an actual graph, just started from a few FTBFS apps. But luvkily caught on early that there are dependencies21:43
Laneyhttp://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/haskell-installability/i386.png if you want to do some more21:43
janimoLaney, if you have apointer to the graph I can look at it, it can still help21:43
janimoLaney, but at least I have a script for creating the updted packages, so was not all drudgework21:44
janimoLaney, I mostly went depth first until the deps were ghc6 internal only, and uploaded those, and then the next layer and so on21:45
Laneyyeah, that's how you use the graph21:45
Laneystart at the root and work outwards until it is all green21:45
janimoLaney, one issue I ran into is haskeline ntot building becasue of utf8-string . It should be part of ghc6 - that isa why the standalone pkg was removed after lucid - but the setup script does not find it21:46
janimoLaney, all of these need to be rebuild after a new GHC build??!21:47
janimosounds interesting :)21:47
Laneyjanimo: hmm, yes I don't see that package21:54
Laneywill investigate21:54
Laneyand yeah sometimes the amount of rebuilds is large, luckily it's mostly automatable though21:54
janimoLaney, does it need a rebuild after each build of ghc6 or only if the ghc version changes?21:55
Laneyif the ABI changes21:55
janimoso those magic numbers are digests of the ABI?21:55
janimook, good to know it is not randomly generated ID on each rebuild :D21:56
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Laneyit's the best way we found to track the unstable ABI21:56
janimoLaney, similar to what the kernel does for modules I guess21:58
LaneyI suspect the kernel has a rather better ABI guarantee ;)21:59
Laneybut yes, that idea21:59
doko_mterry: can't decide on twm, I'm biased22:02
RoAkSoAxAnyone experiencing issues similar to "E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/heartbeat/libheartbeat2_3.0.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: Size mismatch"  in pbuilders?22:03
mterrydoko_, :)  ah, I assigned because looked like you had been involved in the discussion.  biased?  did you work on it, or you just want it?22:11
micahgRoAkSoAx: did you try updating again?22:12
doko_mterry: I just want it because of the excessive dependencies on metacity22:13
doko_mterry: but I don't know if kees would agree to maintain an extra window manager in main22:13
Laneyjanimo: looks like GHC indeed stopped providing utf8-string, so we should bring that (source) package back22:15
LaneyFYI, if you want to do that. Otherwise I'll get to it soon, probably at the weekend.22:15
LaneyI can commit to Debian if you want too.22:15
mterrydoko_, well reassign if ya like  :)22:16
RoAkSoAxmicahg: like 10 times22:16
RoAkSoAxmicahg: I guess it is just the archive server that pbuilder is using or something22:16
janimoLaney, ok IIRC I saw today on Debian Haskell archives that they were not sure about dropping that22:16
janimoBut they did apparently22:17
Laneydo you know in which thread?22:17
janimothere was een talk of maybe needing to bring it back because of haskeline :)22:17
Laneyoh, at the time it was the right thing to do22:18
Laneybut it looks like GHC itself has stopped supplying the library22:18
janimoLaney , no bu tI htink you posted in it too, I just googled today but cannot remember22:18
janimoso ghc6 picked it up for a release then dropped it again?22:18
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sconklin@pilot out22:39
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Laneysomething like that22:46
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bigonhey, does anybody know the status of uefi boot ?23:29
ari-tczewunfortunately, sponsors queue is not good this year... not good patch pilots23:41
ebroderari-tczew: i think it just hasn't yet recovered from the combined effects of the holidays and the rally23:42
ari-tczewebroder: do you mean holidays which has been ended 1rd ?23:42
micahgari-tczew: it's still doing much better than last year and what ebrober said23:43
micahgari-tczew: the patch pilots were at a developer sprint last week23:43
micahgbut I think they were still sponsoring23:43
micahghttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/ shows lots of work done23:44
ebroderyeah, and if you look at the graphs, it's only been climbing since Christmas Eve23:44
ari-tczewanyway, I wish that sponsors queue will be clean until Feature Freeze23:45
ebroderwe're still *well* below where we were after UDS23:46
ebroderi'd argue that the system is working, it maybe just needs a bit more time to catch up23:46
* ari-tczew is guessing why this one is not yet uploaded: https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/karmic/mysql-dfsg-5.1/mysql-sru-343870/+merge/4266723:49
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brycehari-tczew, are you participating in patch pilots?23:51
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ari-tczewbryceh: I guess, a little bit yes23:51
ari-tczewbryceh: why you ask?23:52
bryceha lot of the items in the queue right now are syncs (which don't need sponsoring) or stray (non-Ubuntu) tasks23:53
brycehthe real number of actionable items in the sponsor queue is pretty low23:54
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micahgbryceh: syncs need to be test built and ack'd, so that's sponsoring still :)23:55
ari-tczewbryceh: syncs are 20,6% of all23:55

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