[00:00] <Devo-Kun> skorv: connect to the CUPS admin webpage
[00:01] <AdamDV> Ah. No I am not able to run the examples. I get the error that the function does not exist, as before
[00:08] <Devo-Kun> Interesting. You have the same GD version as I do. When I run the example on the PHP.net website (http://www.php.net/imageantialias) I get the same error.
[00:45] <AdamDV> What software do the Ubuntu repos use for management? apt-mirror?
[00:48] <StrangeCharm> i'm having some trouble using ssh-agent. when i pidof ssh-agent, it seems to be running, but ssh-add -l claims not to be able to connect to the agent
[01:08] <twb> StrangeCharm: that's because you're using screen
[01:14] <StrangeCharm> twb, interesting. can you tell me more?
[01:18] <twb> Sorry, I'm busy just now
[01:18] <twb> http://code.haskell.org/~twb/Preferences/.bin/twb-agents
[01:18] <twb> Hmm, not much documentation there
[01:19] <twb> http://code.haskell.org/~twb/Preferences/.bin/.bash_profile shows how I create it
[01:19] <StrangeCharm> twb, bottom line: i shouldn't have trouble if i just start a non-screen session?
[01:20] <StrangeCharm> also, your bash profile is a 4040
[01:21] <twb> Sorry,
[01:21] <twb> http://code.haskell.org/~twb/Preferences/..bash_profile shows how I create it
[01:21] <twb> ARGH
[01:21] <twb> http://code.haskell.org/~twb/Preferences/.bash_profile
[01:21] <twb> re short answer -- yes
[01:21] <twb> The problem is that your screen session outlives your agent session, so screen still points to the one that existed LAST time you logged in
[01:22] <twb> You need to either update environment variables (nontrivial), or start ssh-agent by hand
[01:22] <twb> The gentoo keychain docs might explain more
[01:26] <StrangeCharm> so your bash-profile has a trick in it for keeping screen pointed at the right agent?
[01:32] <ignarps> http://superuser.com/questions/141044/sharing-the-same-ssh-agent-among-multiple-login-sessions
[03:09] <kieppie> hi guys. I'm trying to help someone with a windows network, who's experiencing periodic lock-up. they might be working, or simply open large files over the local LAN & their system would simply lock up (they describe it as "going off to la-la-land"). I've rebuild their Ubuntu server, running *only* SSH, Samba & Webmin, and *nothing* else. load it pretty good, so now I'm trying to find other possible causes or remedies (I've set 
[03:57] <Chrystopher> hi guys
[03:57] <Chrystopher> anybody here ?
[04:09] <thesheff17> I'm here...you have a question?
[04:10] <Chrystopher> yes hi
[04:10] <Chrystopher> i am having issues installing ubuntu server 10.10
[04:10] <Chrystopher> am I in the right channel ?
[04:11] <thesheff17> yes
[04:11] <Chrystopher> ok
[04:11] <Chrystopher> i have downloaded the latest iso file from the official site itself
[04:11] <Chrystopher> made a bootable usb key out of it
[04:11] <Chrystopher> booted comp on it
[04:11] <Chrystopher> followed steps normally
[04:11] <Chrystopher> and then at some phase, the "Select and isntall software" phase
[04:11] <Chrystopher> instlaler just hangs at 5%
[04:12] <Chrystopher> for no apparent reason
[04:12] <Chrystopher> tried to reboot and instlal in expert mode changing a couple of settings but nothing will do
[04:13] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: There is a log file during the install that may tell you more about what is going on.
[04:13] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: I would also try ubuntu 10.04 since it is a long term support unless  you need something specific on 10.10
[04:14] <Chrystopher> i actually don't really
[04:14] <Chrystopher> I'll try with the older version
[04:14] <Chrystopher> it's much more stable or ?
[04:14] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: 10.10 is only support for 6 months...yes 10.04 server is supported for 5 years.
[04:15] <Chrystopher> ok will try and let you know
[04:15] <thesheff17> 10.10 just has newer software
[04:16] <Chrystopher> but 10.04 still has the same basic packages ?
[04:16] <thesheff17> yea for sure
[04:17] <Chrystopher> ok I guess I could be good with that
[04:17] <thesheff17> I actually still run a ton of 8.04 and it works fine for me.
[04:17] <Chrystopher> oh one thing though
[04:17] <Chrystopher> Which software would you recommend to create bootable device ?
[04:18] <Chrystopher> i've been using the one proposed by ubuntu
[04:18] <Chrystopher> but i've heard unet bootin is good as well
[04:18] <thesheff17> usb-creator-gtk ?
[04:18] <thesheff17> I have used that a bunch.
[04:18] <Chrystopher> oh ok
[04:18] <Chrystopher> problem is i must do it on a windows machine though
[04:21] <thesheff17> ah I admit I haven't done it much on windows but if you are getting to the installer you are doing it correctly.
[04:26] <kieppie> hi guys. I have a few disks I'm about to scratch. should I continue using ext4, or should I risk btrfs?
[04:31] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: sorry I was having tons of problems with my wireless...the last thing I typed was usb-creator-gtk
[04:32] <Chrystopher> hm nope
[04:32] <Chrystopher> the last thing you typed
[04:32] <Chrystopher> concerned your lack of experience with windows
[04:32] <Chrystopher> lack is a bit strong but.. anyway you get me
[04:33] <Chrystopher> still donwloading
[04:36] <thesheff17> yea if you are getting to the installer it sounds like the install is going fine....try the 10.04 version and see what happens...if it hangs again I would start checking logs.
[06:03] <Chrystopher> formatting live
[06:07] <Chrystopher> theshedd17: are you still here ?
[06:07] <Chrystopher> ff*
[06:08] <thesheff17> yea
[06:09] <thesheff17> if you type the username correctly I will be notified :)
[06:09] <thesheff17> because I'm usually have a bunch of stuff going on.
[06:10] <Chrystopher> np
[06:10] <thesheff17> Did 10.04 work?
[06:10] <Chrystopher> it's weird there's either a problem with the software creating the usb key or the distro itself
[06:10] <Chrystopher> I've loaded the key
[06:11] <Chrystopher> now the only thing displaying is: "SYSLINUX 3.06 2010-04-01 EBIOS Copyright [...] "
[06:11] <Chrystopher> and command prompt
[06:11] <Chrystopher> but I can't type crap
[06:11] <Chrystopher> and nothing's going on
[06:11] <Chrystopher> lol
[06:12] <thesheff17> hmm..when it is booting?
[06:13] <Chrystopher> yeah
[06:13] <Chrystopher> well i manually select usb key to boot it from
[06:13] <Chrystopher> and there it is..
[06:13] <Chrystopher> i will try with an alternative software
[06:14] <gobbe> Chrystopher: how did you do the stick?
[06:14] <Chrystopher> on windows with universal-usb-installer-1.8.2.5
[06:14] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: I load up ubuntu desktop version X and use usb-creator-gtk :-/
[06:15] <Chrystopher> should i try to format it to make sure ?
[06:15] <gobbe> Chrystopher: did you select ubuntu from list or other linux?
[06:15] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: can you link me to the web site you are using for windows I will take a look..
[06:15] <thesheff17> Chrystopher: yea the usb-creator-gtk you select the iso and the usb drive and click create. :-/
[06:16] <Chrystopher> i followed the link to download the software form this page : http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download
[06:16] <Chrystopher> it leads to this page: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[06:17] <gobbe> Chrystopher: if you didnt select ubuntu from dropdown but other linux it wont work
[06:18] <Chrystopher> i will format and start again just to make sure
[06:18] <Chrystopher> distro i choose is
[06:18] <Chrystopher> Ubuntu Server 10.04.1 32bit installer
[06:20] <gobbe> i mean from dropdown of installerä
[06:20] <gobbe> i have noticed that if you dont select it from dropdown but select other linux it wont boot, just syslinux appears
[11:37] <lambda_x> anybody here uses libvirt with kvm? I got problems with virsh restore - 50% of change it will succed, 50% it will hang (it is logged as causing INFO: task kvm:6431 blocked for more than 120 seconds)
[11:37] <lambda_x> is this problem normal that there is no safe way to restore saved vm?
[13:45] <[diablo]> afternoon all... anyone running Ubuntu Server with rsyslog being used for centralized logging please?
[13:45] <gobbe> me
[13:46] <[diablo]> hi gobbe
[13:46] <[diablo]> gobbe, did you go with RELP, TCP or UDP, etc please?
[13:46] <gobbe> with syslog?
[13:47] <[diablo]> yep
[13:47] <[diablo]> well, rsyslog
[13:48] <gobbe> http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu.com%2Fsystem%2Ffiles%2FCentralLogging-v4-20090901-03.pdf&rct=j&q=ubuntu%20rsyslog&ei=gOs2TbyeGcqfOpvI4JgE&usg=AFQjCNEL3sc8W3FDTyyFUyG4alXFQP8o2w
[13:48] <gobbe> uuh
[13:48] <gobbe> sorry
[13:48] <gobbe> but however, that's pdf for rsyslog, quite good howto
[13:48] <gobbe> i'm doing with
[13:48] <gobbe> TCP
[13:49] <[diablo]> yeah I am looking at that atm
[13:49] <gobbe> RELP would be good also
[13:49] <[diablo]> yep
[13:49] <[diablo]> thats what interests me atm
[13:49] <[diablo]> RELP
[13:58] <doko_> SpamapS: did you test the eglibc/upstart fix for maverick and lucid too?
[14:01] <Fidelix> Hello guys. For a big files download server, what's the most important part for being able to handle big traffic? CPU? RAM?
[14:02] <EvilPhoenix> Fidelix:  extremely high bandwidth limits, CPU, RAM, hard disk space, etc.
[14:03] <Fidelix> EvilPhoenix, but what does the webserver (nginx) use the most? CPU or RAM?
[14:03] <Fidelix> I've got space and I've got bandwidth. I'm concerned about the speed though
[14:05] <Fidelix> And being able to support all requests
[14:06] <gobbe> fast disks is also quite important
[14:06] <gobbe> so if you have lots of downloads disk-io is critical also
[14:06] <Fidelix> gobbe, good point...
[14:07] <Fidelix> But what I'm really concerned is if CPU is critical for this. I've got a relatively cheap server, and all its specs are good, except for the CPU.
[14:09] <gobbe> i would say that cpu isn't so critical
[14:14] <andreasf> Fidelix: I have a file server that has delivered about 5.5 million images today. CPU is not an issue on that box.
[14:15]  * zul grumbles
[14:15] <Fidelix> This is golden information. Thank you very much gobbe, andreasf
[14:15] <andreasf> Fidelix: No problem :-)
[14:15] <Fidelix> andreasf, what web server do you use to serve these images?
[14:15]  * andreserl Morning!!
[14:16] <andreasf> Fidelix: Apache, actually.
[14:16] <Fidelix> andreasf, well, that's surprising. Are you using a reverse proxy? Serving files through x-filesend ?
[14:16] <andreasf> Fidelix: You might consider putting av caching server in front of your web server. Varnish, for instance.
[14:17] <Fidelix> andreasf, is that what you do? And does varnish help for big files? (by big, i mean, 60MB +
[14:18] <andreasf> Fidelix: This particular server does not use a reverse proxy / cache, just Apache. If you use a Varnish server, images will be delivered from RAM, not disk.
[14:18] <andreasf> Fidelix: Well, after they have been fetched from the backend.
[14:19] <patdk-wk> heh, I totally don't get that
[14:19] <Fidelix> andreasf, that would be a good idea for small files i believe. But not for big files
[14:19] <patdk-wk> wouldn't just putting more ram into the apache server do the same, havine more cache ram
[14:19] <andreasf> Fidelix: Depends on how much ram you have :-)
[14:19] <Fidelix> andreasf, 32GB
[14:20] <andreasf> Fidelix: You can configure Apache or Varnish to keep objects (images) in the cache for a specified amount of time, for instance 10 seconds or 10 hours.
[14:20] <Fidelix> But there are  a lot of big files. They would fill 32GB in a second
[14:21] <[diablo]> anyone know how to rsyslog to RELP? TCP and UDP are @ and @@ ... find no info on what clients use for RELP
[14:23] <andreasf> Fidelix: Have a look here: http://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/2.1/
[14:27] <hallyn> is anyone here running a maverick desktop with virt-manager?
[14:28] <andreserl> hallyn: i am
[14:29] <andreserl> hallyn: you mean virt-manager in maverick or a maverick dekstop VM with virt-manager?
[14:29] <gobbe> hallyn: this is server-channel, so desktop discussion should be on #ubuntu
[14:30] <andreserl> lol
[14:33] <ahs3> hallyn: i am, too
[14:33] <milligan> When I receive messages in pidgin,  the message pops up in the top right corner unless the chat is active. How can I disable that ?
[14:34] <Pici> milligan: Have you asked in #ubuntu ? #ubuntu-server is really for Server questions (cli).
[14:34] <milligan> alright - my bad :)
[14:35] <Pici> :)
[14:55] <SpamapS> doko_: no I have not tested it on lucid or maverick yet.
[14:56] <doko_> SpamapS: could you do this? I prepared uploads. Maybe I should upload these to a PPA first
[15:05] <hallyn> gr, started a vm-clone before remembering the nbd hang in current kernel.  now i have to reboot.
[15:10] <SpamapS> doko_: Yes I'll test in the next 2 hours in VMs.
[15:10] <SpamapS> doko_: and thanks!
[15:11] <SpamapS> doko_: if you were to upload yours to a ppa, that would certainly make it easier for me to do that testing.
[15:11] <doko_> SpamapS: will take more than 2h to build
[15:11] <SpamapS> doko_: do you have a branch I can just branch/bzr bd ?
[15:11] <doko_> SpamapS: so if you have a faster machine, I can point you to the sources instead
[15:11] <doko_> SpamapS: no
[15:13] <SpamapS> doko_: right.. eglibc... since we're just changing the maintainer scripts.. does it allow building with nocheck?
[15:13] <SpamapS> I think it takes my machine about an hour to build eglibc
[15:14] <doko_> SpamapS: yes
[15:15] <SpamapS> doko_: ok well if you can point me to the eglibc and upstart sources I'll start the build before I have to run an errand that will take about an hour. :)
[15:17] <doko_> SpamapS: see chinstrap:~doko
[15:18] <robbiew> kirkland: nice interview....and nice props to the team ;)
[15:18] <robbiew> http://www.talkincloud.com/ubuntu-server-and-the-cloud-notes-from-a-developer/
[15:19] <kirkland> robbiew: thanks, this author did a good job recapping the interview
[15:19] <kirkland> (seems like too often an article like this gets it all wrong -- not the case here!)
[15:21] <robbiew> yeah...and sometimes they spin it completely wrong...glad that didn't happen
[15:21] <robbiew> whew!
[15:24] <SpamapS> doko_: sorry I don't know how chinstrap works.. help?
[15:25] <doko_> SpamapS: copied to http://people.canonical.com/~doko/tmp/
[15:26] <SpamapS> doko_: ack, building
[15:27] <doko_> SpamapS: not the ~ppa version
[15:28] <zul> Daviey SpamapS: so the cobbler "pristine" source doesnt use the Makefile so i been scrambling a bit more
[15:32] <SpamapS> doko_: right, 2.11.1-0ubuntu7.8 is building now in a lucid chroot
[15:32] <andreserl> kirkland: howdy!! Should I create a new powernap-common package that installs the class that manages the config, plus the Monitors? (not that powernapd daemon instantiates this class)
[15:33] <elb0w> Are there cloud AMI's for 10.10
[15:34] <SpamapS> elb0w: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/current/
[15:34] <elb0w> ty
[15:38] <kirkland> andreserl: yes, definitely
[15:38] <kirkland> andreserl: also, let's bump the version to 2.x
[15:39] <kirkland> andreserl: these are significant new features
[15:39] <andreserl> kirkland: ok cool :)
[15:40] <andreserl> kirkland: will finish updating the manpages then. But if you wanna test before I finish, go ahead since the packaging has already been updated to install the new stuff
[15:43] <kirkland> andreserl: cool
[15:46] <zul> SpamapS Daviey: ok uploaded again
[16:21] <knixy> hello
[16:22] <knixy> I am trying to install avamar agento on my ubuntu server.  It is asking for libcap1 which I cannot find in apt-get.  Any thoughts?
[16:26] <knixy> says libcap1 is not available.  Package libcap1 has no installation candidate?
[16:27] <RoyK> hi all. I have an ubuntu server that seems to be in trouble - it restarted twice today without anything useful in the logs except two lines that I don't understand http://pastebin.com/yALsFcYE
[16:28] <gobbe> knixy: libcap2 - support for getting/setting POSIX.1e capabilities
[16:28] <RoyK> knixy: iirc libcap2 is the one used on ubuntu
[16:28] <gobbe> knixy: libcap1 is quite old
[16:28] <knixy> ok, let me try again
[16:29] <RoyK> knixy: if avamar needs libcap1, I guess finding a pre-built lib somewhere is the way to go
[16:29]  * SpamapS returns
[16:29] <SpamapS> hmm.. eglibc still building
[16:29]  * RoyK flees
[16:30]  * SpamapS pursues
[16:30] <gobbe> RoyK: are you running proprietary display drivers?-)
[16:30] <hggdh> JamesPage: it seems d-i changed again
[16:30] <knixy> this is what I get when I try to install the avamar deb
[16:30] <RoyK> gobbe: just 10.04 server - no fancy stuff except for those two 8-core CPUs and 64gigs of memory
[16:30] <JamesPage> hggdh: whats the impact?
[16:30] <knixy> http://pastebin.com/wFtuRGw6
[16:31] <hggdh> JamesPage: all tests failed; running one local I see d-i stopping and asking about what type of partition I want (Sun, msdos, AIX, etc)
[16:31] <gobbe> RoyK: ok, kernel taint happens usually with weird drivers :)
[16:31] <gobbe> RoyK: have you run memory checks?
[16:32] <RoyK> knixy: unless there's a lot of data or specific services, I would recommend using nfs for this one
[16:32] <hggdh> JamesPage: it seems my saving of d-i log is now functional (see http://204.236.234.12/job/AKT-DBench/25/artifact/25/test-results/)
[16:32] <RoyK> gobbe: not yet - I'm not at the office - but I just can't beleive I get those taint messages now - nothing's changed
[16:32] <knixy> RoyK, ok.  Debian is supported for avamar, but ubuntu is not, which makes me sad :p
[16:32] <RoyK> gobbe: it's basically a compute node...
[16:33] <RoyK> knixy: it's about time EMC wakes up :)
[16:33] <knixy> damn right
[16:33]  * RoyK uses bacula
[16:33] <gobbe> RoyK: yeah, that's just something, but i have seen several cases where kernel taint's are coming with display or wireless drivers
[16:33] <JamesPage> hggdh: excellent; looking at the daily tests I think xango3 is suffering from its file permissions issue on the iso images
[16:33] <knixy> we use avamar on all our servers here, 70+, if I don't get this working, then I have to switch the server to redhat., sigh
[16:34] <RoyK> gobbe: it should at least have told me which driver was loaded
[16:34] <hggdh> JamesPage: the change (where the preseed stops) can be seen here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/555844/
[16:34] <RoyK> or _what_ tainted the kernel
[16:34] <gobbe> RoyK: that's true
[16:34] <hggdh> JamesPage: yes, I need to grab the current libvirt and rebuild it with the permission patch
[16:34]  * hggdh goes to get it done
[16:35] <JamesPage> hggdh: I had some local success on maverick using the /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf settings
[16:36] <hggdh> JamesPage: setting 'dynamic_ownership=0' ?
[16:36] <andreserl> mdeslaur: could you please take a look at bug #525287
[16:36] <JamesPage> hggdh: yes - I also configured it to run as root
[16:38] <hggdh> JamesPage: hum. Will try it again -- I remember setting dyn_own to zero, but I do not remember is onwer was root, and it did not work
[16:38] <mdeslaur> andreserl: please ask someone from the server team...zul?
[16:38] <zul> nope...foundations i dont want to touch lvm2
[16:38] <andreserl> mdeslaur: ^^
[16:38] <andreserl> zul: who do you think I should contact from foundations?
[16:39] <JamesPage> hggdh: yes - I think that you need the change to root otherwise the normal libvirt account can't access the files r/w
[16:39] <JamesPage> hggdh: root just trounces everything :-)
[16:39] <zul> andreserl: colin maybe
[16:39] <hggdh> JamesPage: All hail root :-)
[16:39] <knixy> what is the cmd to find out how to remove avamar?
[16:39] <hggdh> trying now
[16:39] <hggdh> JamesPage: I will try to zero in this debian-installer change
[16:40] <gobbe> knixy: apt-get remove?
[16:40] <mdeslaur> zul: this would be clustering...who on the server team does clustering?
[16:40] <JamesPage> hggdh: of course I would never recommend doing this on a piece of production infrastructure but hey - its my laptop :-)
[16:40] <andreserl> mdeslaur: me!!
[16:40] <andreserl> zul: ok thanks
[16:40] <knixy> gobbe, im not sure the whole name.  isnt there a grep cmd to find out the exact name of it?
[16:40] <hggdh> JamesPage: exactly my view ;-)
[16:40] <mdeslaur> andreserl: hehe, sorry about that :)
[16:40] <andreserl> mdeslaur: no probs :) just changed nicks btw, I'm RoAkSoAx :)
[16:41] <JamesPage> hggdh: not sure about the d-i issue; the one test that ran on mercury AM today did pass....
[16:41] <mdeslaur> andreserl: ah! that would explain my confusion :)
[16:41] <hggdh> oooohhh andreserl is RoAkSoAx...
[16:41]  * hggdh jots it down
[16:41] <andreserl> mdeslaur: yeah... it indeed is confusing and hggdh just proved lol!
[16:41] <andreserl> hggdh: xD
[16:44] <hggdh> andreserl: yeah, we should select nicks that anyone can pronounce
[16:45]  * hggdh disregards the implicit irony of previous statement
[16:45] <dany123456> buona sera
[16:45] <dany123456> !list
[16:45] <andreserl> hggdh, lol!! that's why I indeed changed to this nick... though noone ever recognizes me with it lol
[16:45] <hggdh> heh
[16:45] <gobbe> knixy: dpkg-query
[16:45] <knixy> well i fixed it
[16:45] <knixy> lol, i was alien a redhat rpm to deb
[16:46] <knixy> so I got the real debian deb, and booom.  installed
[16:46] <knixy> thanks guys!
[16:50] <Daviey> zul, hmm.. looking at the get-orig-source stanza, how come you switched back?
[16:51] <zul> Daviey: because the new get-orig-source generates the pristine tarball
[16:51] <RoyK> any linux wiz around that might help me understand these? http://pastebin.com/yALsFcYE - it's a server system, no graphics card or anything needing fancy drivers, and it happened during run time, server rebooted half an hour later for reasons unknown.....
[16:55] <Daviey> zul, Aye, i just wondered if you worked out what was wrong with the other way?
[16:55] <zul> Daviey: dont know really
[16:55] <zul> Daviey: im happy with it the way it is now
[16:57] <SpamapS> zul: do I see that we're actually adding cobbler4j back in?
[16:57] <zul> SpamapS: er yep
[16:57] <SpamapS> zul: maybe the cobbler project publishes it with different artifacts?
[16:57] <zul> SpamapS; nope i checked
[16:58] <SpamapS> zul: so it just sits in git and rots? :(
[16:58] <zul> SpamapS: pretty much
[16:58] <SpamapS> zul: well I'm glad we're including it. :)
[16:58] <SpamapS> will suggest then that they 1) remove the jar from git, and 2) publish the rest in the sdist.
[17:00] <patdk-wk> royk, http://fonality.com/trixbox/wiki/kernel-tainted
[17:00] <RoyK> patdk-wk: I know, but nothing happened on the box except the normal runs during that time - no su/sudo - nothing
[17:01] <patdk-wk> that page looks to be saying, probably hardware issue
[17:01] <wizardslovak> hello people
[17:01] <patdk-wk> but need more logs to know what
[17:01] <wizardslovak> i just recently installed webmin  , and tried to login with root
[17:01] <wizardslovak> but now i got "Error - Access denied for 127.0.1.1"
[17:02] <compdoc> 127.0.1.1?
[17:02] <compdoc> thats an odd address
[17:02] <patdk-wk> why? it's perfectly valid
[17:02] <wizardslovak> well thats error what i got
[17:02] <patdk-wk> lo by default has a /8 netmask
[17:03] <compdoc> dont you mean 127.0.0.1 ?
[17:03] <patdk-wk> so 127.x will work :)
[17:03] <wizardslovak> man i copied it
[17:04] <wizardslovak> its 127.0.1.1
[17:04] <RoyK> patdk-wk: there are no more logs - nothing more than those two lines - but I guess it may be a hardware issue
[17:06] <patdk-wk> royk, this seems to be the only thing that can cause a hardware issue, that sets taint
[17:06] <patdk-wk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Check_Exception
[17:07] <cole> andreserl: you are the cluster expert right?
[17:07] <patdk-wk> dunno :(
[17:07] <andreserl> cole, I'd not consider myself an expert, but highly knowledgeable, yes :)
[17:08] <SpamapS> Build needed 01:34:19, 1775336k disc space
[17:08]  * SpamapS fires up a fresh test VM
[17:08] <SpamapS> btw, does anybody know how to remove vms from virt-manager?
[17:09] <SpamapS> kind of annoying that you can create, but not destroy, from it
 virsh undefine...
[17:09] <andreserl> cole, what can I help you with?
[17:09] <thesheff17_> SpamapS: I use virsh
[17:09] <SpamapS> they're not listed in virsh
[17:09] <thesheff17_> list --all
[17:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: right click, delete is an option
[17:10] <SpamapS> oh thats annoying
[17:10] <hallyn> why would they not show up?
[17:10] <thesheff17_> destroy server
[17:10] <SpamapS> hallyn: its not on mine
[17:10] <thesheff17_> undefine server
[17:10] <andreserl> SpamapS, is the VM stopped?
[17:10] <hallyn> SpamapS: then connect to the one where they are (virsh -c qemu:///etc)
[17:10] <SpamapS> wait
[17:10] <SpamapS> now it is
[17:10] <SpamapS> or maybe it was..
[17:10] <SpamapS> and my hatred of hiding everything in context menus prevented me from finding it
[17:11] <andreserl> SpamapS, lol you have to shutdown the VM before being able to delete it  :)
[17:11] <hallyn> you were doing virsh list --all to show the ones that are down?
[17:11] <SpamapS> I think I was just being blind
[17:11] <hallyn> k
[17:11] <SpamapS> forget everything I've said since "btw, does anybody know how"
[17:11] <SpamapS> :)
[17:12] <hallyn> i'm good at amnesia
[17:12] <andreserl> SpamapS, Dallas left you blind man? Too much golden hair xD
[17:12] <Daviey> !
[17:12]  * SpamapS still seeing Stars after two nights near the Lemon Bar ;)
[17:12] <andreserl> SpamapS, +1
[17:13] <cole> andreserl: would there be any value in adding crm to keepalive pkg or does it only talk to services provided by pacemaker?
[17:13] <cole> andreserl: poorly stated, obviously meant adding crm deb as a dep for keepalive
[17:14] <hallyn> jdstrand: i'm trynig to reproduce your kvm instability on ecryptfs, fwiw.  (no luck yet, but trying)
[17:14] <andreserl> cole, pacemaker and keepalived are two totally different things. In fact, keepalived can be seen as some kind of Resource Manager/Messaging layer, such as would pacemaker/corosync or pacemaker/heartbeat are
[17:15] <jiboumans> smoser: this is quite awesome: http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2011/01/failsafe-and-manual-management-of.html
[17:15] <jiboumans> also, hi folks
[17:15] <SpamapS> jiboumans: o/
[17:16] <smoser> its less valuable than it used to be. if you're using ebs root, catastrophe can be fixed.
[17:16] <jiboumans> smoser: the awesomeness is in the upgrades + failsafe together
[17:16] <RoAkSoAx> jiboumans: o/
[17:16] <jiboumans> smoser: <insert desire for this feature on lucid here>
[17:16] <smoser> its there, almost.
[17:16] <smoser> did you see that ?
[17:16] <jiboumans> RoAkSoAx: hey, and belated congrats
[17:17] <jiboumans> smoser: not in details
[17:17] <smoser> the latest images can be launched with grub-pv kernel, they just don't do it by default.
[17:17] <jiboumans> nice
[17:17] <jiboumans> where can i RTFM?
[17:17] <smoser> and the latest dailies use it by default.
[17:17] <smoser> really only i my release announcement
 smoser: the awesomeness is in the
[17:17] <smoser> oops
[17:17] <smoser> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cloud/2010-December/000466.html
[17:17] <smoser> paste fail
[17:19] <jiboumans> smoser: awesome. safe enough to launch a production service with you reckon?
[17:20] <RoAkSoAx> jiboumans: thank you!!
[17:21] <wizardslovak> what are you guys using for web interface?
[17:21] <wizardslovak> like webmin
[17:21] <wizardslovak> is there anything else?
[17:21] <knixy> maudI use that
[17:21] <smoser> jiboumans, yeah, its solid. i would recommend using the pv-grub kernels.
[17:21] <knixy> sorry, i use webmin
[17:21] <wizardslovak> just curious
[17:22] <jiboumans> smoser: nice. are you switching default aki's at some point you think?
[17:22] <smoser> the idea is to do that in next round.. the dailies do it now.
[17:23] <hallyn> jdstrand: oh, but i'm NOT using encrypted filenames.  you're using ext4 right?
[17:24] <jdstrand> hallyn: I am using ext3 for /home, with encrypted home
[17:25] <jiboumans> smoser: looking forward to it.. it's an awesome feature for us and i'm sure for many more folks on aws
[17:25] <jiboumans> smoser++
[17:28] <hallyn> jdstrand: d'oh, i'm testing ext4, but that likely won't matter.  but are you using encrypted filenames?
[17:32] <jdstrand> hallyn: I am
[17:33] <hallyn> jdstrand: hm, well all 3 vm's appear to be hung.  i didn't witness any segfaults, but they won't budge
[17:33] <jdstrand> hallyn: try logging into a console
[17:34] <jdstrand> hallyn: I saw something similar, and logging into a console and trying to run some commands showed things were really wrong
[17:34] <hallyn> jdstrand: i had previously installed ubuntu-desktop, which is also hung
[17:35] <jdstrand> hallyn: it could just be networking-- I've seen it as somewhat flaky occassionally
[17:35]  * jdstrand wonders if it is virtio net...
[17:35] <hallyn> but gdm is hung in all 3, so i can't log in
[17:35] <jdstrand> hallyn: I meant on tty1
[17:36] <hallyn> right but i can't get to tty1
[17:36] <jdstrand> hallyn: but gdm hung is definitely interesting
[17:36] <hallyn> well no, not gdm per se,
[17:36] <hallyn> the whoel vnc session
[17:36] <hallyn> so having gvncviewer send ctrl-alt-f1 does nothing either
[17:36] <jdstrand> hallyn: I see. can you disconnect the vnc and reconnect? what about sshing in?
[17:37] <hallyn> no route to host - but i was ssh'd in when they hung
[17:37] <hallyn> i had been disconnected from vnc, so each time i'm reconnecting
[17:38] <hallyn> hm,
[17:38] <hallyn> i'm out of space on the ecryptfs partition (8K to spare)
[17:38] <hallyn> drat
[17:38] <jdstrand> ah
[17:38] <jdstrand> that could do it
[17:39] <jdstrand> I was always able to vnc, fwiw
[17:39] <hallyn> yeah, which means i haven't reproduced your bug :(
[17:40] <hallyn> lunchtime.   will try again later.  i guess with just two vms :)
[17:40] <jdstrand> heh
[18:02] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: done! Everything should be fine now at the branch :). Almost ready to release
[18:07] <wizardslovak> weird
[18:07] <wizardslovak> i just installed new system with lamp and ssh
[18:07] <wizardslovak> and i cant start mysql
[18:08] <wizardslovak> cant start it from webmin not terminal
[18:08] <Fidelix> wizardslovak, have you checked the logs?
[18:09] <wizardslovak> "Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[18:09] <wizardslovak> utility, e.g. service mysql start
[18:09] <wizardslovak> Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
[18:09] <wizardslovak> Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start mysql
[18:09] <wizardslovak> start: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[18:09] <wizardslovak> "
[18:11] <Fidelix> wizardslovak, I'd really like to know how you managed to remove this socket, or to misconfigure mysql's socket.
[18:11] <wizardslovak> man i just installed userver in virtual box , changed ip to static and installed webmin
[18:11] <wizardslovak> thats it , didnt even touch mysql
[18:14]  * RoAkSoAx might have to Update RHCS to latest release and keep delta with Debian
[18:15] <zul> SpamapS: around?
[18:17] <wizardslovak> Fidelix, and i cant find help online
[18:18] <Fidelix> wizardslovak, I'm also not sure how to help you. If you just installed mysql and webmin, it should've worked.
[18:18] <wizardslovak> well hour ago i installed same think on other pc and it worked so i am pretty suprissed
[18:18] <SpamapS> zul: yeah wassup?
[18:19] <zul> SpamapS: so i was looking at the mysql bugs and a lot of them are fixed in newer versions of mysql but we are still using 5.1.49
[18:20] <zul> SpamapS: so i was thinking of updating to latest and greatest so we can close a whole bunch of them, but for natty+1 we move to mysql 5.5
[18:20] <zul> what state is your package in?
[18:22] <SpamapS> zul: I just uploaded 5.5 to my PPA. :)
[18:23] <SpamapS> zul: like, 30 minutes before you said "around" ;)
[18:23] <zul> url?
[18:23] <zul> its my esp
[18:24] <SpamapS> https://launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/+archive/fixes/+sourcepub/1448330/+listing-archive-extra
[18:25] <SpamapS> hrm a test may have failed on the amd64 build.. doh
[18:32] <ignarps> does anyone know about this bug and why it does not seem to be getting any attention ?  bug 683640 in lsb scripts
[18:34] <ignarps> same issue effects #702159
[18:41] <RoyK> erm.... just started boinc on this server - top shows 75% load per core, but sar shows 100%
[18:42] <wizardslovak>  Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[18:42] <wizardslovak> anyone ?
[18:42] <Fidelix> wizardslovak, if i were in your position, I'd just reinstall ubuntu. I'm not telling you to do that, just what I'd do.
[18:43] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[18:43] <tsimpson> I'd just start the dbus service
[18:43] <wizardslovak> tsimpson, and what would be command for that?
[18:45] <tsimpson> wizardslovak: try "sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start" assuming you have dbus installed
[18:45] <wizardslovak> command not found
[18:45] <wizardslovak> installing it now
[18:46] <wizardslovak> same error
[18:46] <zul> jdstrand: thanks for accepting cobbler
[18:47] <RoAkSoAx> \o/ cobbler!!
[18:49] <jdstrand> sure :)
[18:52] <SpamapS> w00000t cobbler uploaded!
[18:52] <\sh> cobbler is using kickstart in the background, right?
[18:52] <SpamapS> it can, but we added some preseed files :)
[18:52] <SpamapS> it will feed back whatever the template contains when the client makes a request.
[18:53] <\sh> so kickstart or preseeding...which means for debian/ubuntu/redhat/opensuse mostly use the installer automation
[18:55] <\sh> how does cobbler handle problems during kernel network boot with ipconfig?
[18:56] <SpamapS> \sh: it really doesn't know about them.
[18:57] <binBASH> Hi \sh
[18:57] <SpamapS> \sh: I believe it disables auto-install once the preseed/kickstart have been requested once though.
[18:58] <binBASH> Hope your nightly admining session went fine ;)
[18:59] <\sh> SpamapS: the problem is not the installation, but the "how do I get my packages without having ip connectivity" which comes first .. mostly when you are telling the kernel to dhcp on your dhcp /pxe enabled interfaces...just asking, because most of the problems with automating linux installs is during kernel boottime (means jumping into initramfs + doing ipconfig dhcp magic)
[19:00] <\sh> binBASH: see blog :)
[19:00] <\sh> binBASH: yes...success :)
[19:00] <SpamapS> \sh: cobbler doesn't get in the way of the OS auto install.. it just feeds it configurations.
[19:02] <\sh> SpamapS: ok..so you can't overcome the problems without tweaking your underlaying OS (which means, replace some boot initrds of your installation media, e..g which is inside the netboot image of debian/ubuntu)
[19:02] <\sh> add "easily" here ;)
[19:02] <thesheff17_> \sh https://www.frackingtubes.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_preseed.cfg_installs_off_PXE_Boot is a how to I did for preseed and 10.04
[19:02] <binBASH> dc2? :)
[19:03] <\sh> thesheff17_: what NICs?
[19:03] <\sh> s/what/which/
[19:03] <SpamapS> \sh: baby steps. We just added a provisioning system which allows large scale orchestration of network installations, and works for the common case. It sounds to me like you're talking about edge cases.
[19:04] <\sh> SpamapS: I wonder if Flex10 Fabrics are edge cases...ask HP how many G7 blade servers they were selling in 2010 and are selling in 2011  ;)
[19:04] <SpamapS> \sh: Whats so special about them that they can't use normal network semantics?
[19:05] <\sh> SpamapS: they can...but ipconfig doesn't work with them properly, whysoever...I had a lot of problems..and checking google, many users of those NICs do have problems too
[19:06] <\sh> SpamapS: replacing ipconfig with udhcpd helped here...but I wonder if it's easily done without tweaking the netboot image
[19:06] <SpamapS> \sh: if its not in the upstream kernel yet.. its highly likely either a) companies like Canonical and/or RedHat have to be paid to integrate these things, or b) its not going to happen.
[19:07] <SpamapS> \sh: and even if it is popular, I consider new hardware (meaning, created in the last 12 months) as an edge case.
[19:07] <\sh> SpamapS: be2net / be2scsi are upstream, but the problem here is ipconfig (eventually not working nicely with cisco iphelper or something like that)
[19:08] <SpamapS> I think its pretty crazy that end users would ever need to tweak their netboot imags!
[19:08] <SpamapS> images even
[19:09] <SpamapS> btw, cobbler imports the whole CD onto disk.. you have the option to tweak the netboot image at that point.
[19:09] <SpamapS> But, yeah, not easily.
[19:09] <\sh> SpamapS: yeah...loop mount the iso...unzip the initrd, uncpio the resulting file, and re-configure initramfs ;)
[19:10] <\sh> SpamapS: it's actually easy when you know how...but I don't think that the normal user will ever netboot linux, only crazy admins ;)
[19:12] <zul> oops...did i open a can of words
[19:14]  * patdk-wk blames the netsplit on zul
[19:20] <slicslak> hey, i have a really slow running box
[19:20] <slicslak> i can't even get top to come up
[19:20] <patdk-wk> check swap :)
[19:20] <slicslak> i would like to find out the culprit, any advice on juist getting the top 3 proc consuming processes?
[19:20] <thesheff17_> slicslak: are the drives full df -h ?
[19:20] <patdk-wk> you can't find the culprit, till you know what is wrong
[19:20] <slicslak> drive space is looking fine
[19:20] <patdk-wk> and slow, isn't that is wrong, it's the result of what is wrong
  patdk-wk how do you check swap?
[19:20] <patdk-wk> free -m
[19:20] <patdk-wk> vmstat 10
[19:21] <RoyK> top
[19:21] <patdk-wk> I never liked it in top :)
[19:21] <slicslak> ya, of course, free.  ya, swap is fine
[19:22] <RoyK> slicslak: install sysstat, enable it, and you'll get performance data logged every 15 minutes or whatever you set it to
[19:22] <slicslak> RoyK, i'll check that out
[19:22] <RoyK> the important thing isn't the amount of swap used
[19:22] <slicslak> mmm, everything is fine again now.  wierd.
[19:22] <slicslak> RoyK, oh?
[19:23] <patdk-wk> it's how much is going out, how often :)
[19:23] <RoyK> indeed
[19:23] <patdk-wk> why I like to watch it with vmstat
[19:23] <RoyK> slicslak: for some systems, setting vm.swappiness = 100 can be very good
[19:23] <slicslak> right, so use vmstat and watch the io col
[19:23] <RoyK> if some applications allocate a bunch of memory not used much, swap is good
[19:23] <patdk-wk> well, for swap, si so
[19:24] <RoyK> slicslak: I'd recommend sysstat/sar
[19:24] <patdk-wk> for disk usage, bi bo
[19:24] <RoyK> that logs perf data over time
[19:24]  * patdk-wk uses munin for that
[19:24] <RoyK> well, sar is a bit simpler
[19:25] <patdk-wk> most of these type of issues don't last long enough though to cause 5/15min averages to jump
[19:25] <RoyK> no need for a fancy gui if you just want the data :P
[19:25] <patdk-wk> never used sar before :)
[19:25] <RoyK> it's simple, logs the data, and you can get all sorts of goodies out of it
[19:43] <wizardslovak> mysql hostname is hostname of server right?
[19:44] <Pici> Wherever mysqld is running.
[20:01] <wizardslovak> is there any gui client to copy files from desktop to userver?
[20:01] <wizardslovak> i am using xubuntu
[20:05] <jMCg> Hey folks. I'm looking for a way to set persistently the group permissions on a disk to the webserver user, who'll be using these devices (raw) as cache.
[20:06] <jMCg> I was thinking that'll be doable in udev, but I'm not fluent in udev.
[20:07] <nishttal2> Hi guys, one of our servers running Ubuntu 10.10 rebooted around 50 mins ago.. how do I investigate why that happened
[20:08] <jMCg> nishttal2: syslog.
[20:08] <jMCg> Check your crash-dump!
[20:08] <nishttal2> jMCg, how do i check that?
[20:08] <jMCg> nishttal2: less /var/log/syslog
[20:11] <nishttal2> jMCg, http://www.fpaste.org/XC0d/ in syslog
[20:11] <nishttal2> jMCg, what should i look for
[20:11] <nishttal2> jMCg, i dont see anything here that stands out
[20:12] <qman__> nishttal2, you should look for things that happened around the time of the crash
[20:13] <nishttal2> jMCg, qman__ : http://www.fpaste.org/9YwA/ is the messages
[20:16] <qman__> nishttal2, nothing of interest there, all normal in a reboot situation
[20:16] <nishttal2> qman__, yeah but question is why did it reboot :-/
[20:17] <nishttal2> qman__, do you think it was power failure?
[20:17] <qman__> power outage or hardware failure is most likely
[20:17] <nishttal2> qman__, hardware failure ..ouch!!!
[20:17] <qman__> software issues usually leave evidence behind
[20:18] <nishttal2> qman__, and thre is no way to check for hardware failure?
[20:18] <qman__> there are tests you can run but they're not definitive
[20:18] <nishttal2> qman__, i see.. thanks
[20:19] <qman__> if the problem persists with no other explanation, assume that
[20:19] <nishttal2> ok
[20:19] <qman__> if it's not on UPS or you have people working near the power cord, power loss is just as likely
[20:34] <fbc_> How do I install the HTML DOM Parser libs?
[20:37] <jMCg> fbc_: apt-cache search something.. apt(-get|itude) install whatever...
[20:38]  * Datz wonders if there is a package "whatever" by chance
[20:39] <jMCg> ad udev: I suppose something like  ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-0000:00:01.1-scsi-1:0:0:0" (With the right id) might work.. but the problem is does /dev/sdc7 have such an ID?
[21:01] <wizardslovak> how do i check if i have ftp installed on server?
[21:01] <wizardslovak> i installed wordpress and i need to install few plugins
[21:01] <wizardslovak> it asks me for hostname username and password
[21:01] <wizardslovak> and still cant connect to it
[21:04] <hallyn> wizardslovak: you could 'dpkg -l | grep ftp' to see if the package is installed
[21:05] <wizardslovak> dpkg -l | grep ftp
[21:05] <wizardslovak> ii  ftp                                   0.17-19build1                                   The FTP client
[21:05] <wizardslovak> ii  lftp                                  4.0.2-1ubuntu0.1                                Sophisticated command-line FTP/HTTP client programs
[21:05] <wizardslovak> hostname i should use my wan server ip ?
[21:07] <RoyK> wizardslovak: just install vsftpd - best thing there is
[21:08] <wizardslovak> thank you
[21:24] <kirkland> marrusl: yo
[21:28] <stiv2k> help, i set up gitosis but i'm locked out of it
[21:28] <stiv2k> how can I check out the gitosis-admin repo as the gitosis user to fix it?
[21:44]  * hallyn humbly suggests that apport hook for bind9 should append 'grep named /var/log/syslog' to bugs
[21:44] <hallyn> is there a reason not to do that?  too dangerous privacy-wise?
[21:49] <wizardslovak> i got blog setup on web.com/blog but i want blog to be seeing when people will go to web.com
[21:49] <wizardslovak> i gotta change it in apache right?
[21:51] <doko_> zul: ping
[21:51] <doko_> zul: irqbalance: debian/rules still includes quilt.mk and ftbfs
[21:58] <wizardslovak> i am getting this error
[21:58] <wizardslovak> Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[21:59] <RoAkSoAx> Anyone experiencing issues similar to "E: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/heartbeat/libheartbeat2_3.0.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: Size mismatch"  in pbuilders?
[22:01] <wizardslovak> how to point apache to read index.php insted of index.html
[22:10] <wizardslovak> now thats weird
[22:33] <soren> wizardslovak: It does so automatically.
[22:42] <froek> I'm getting a euca-register connection refused when trying to download images.. any hints?
[23:05] <juven> hi
[23:06] <Tellmarch> hi, which is better to use with tomcat in ubuntu 10.04LTS, the open-jre or sun-jre?
[23:06] <juven> can someone give me some adcie
[23:06] <juven> i have 10.10 and want some kind of gui so i installed the gui version
[23:06] <juven> and i want remote access
[23:07] <juven> how can i set remote access on ubuntu 10.10 desktop when i am logged in a root
[23:07] <juven> they say that it should be under the system tab but dont see it
[23:16] <juven> 1 quick dumb question, i have ubuntu 10.10 enterprise server i am able to login to ubuntu enterprise cloud web but how do i install vm in it
[23:16] <juven> i am a big
[23:16] <juven> newbie*
[23:18] <RoyK> http://www.b3tards.com/u/d81a83cf6d5a93144ba7/usb_laptop_self-charger_cable.jpg
[23:18] <jMCg> juven: then you shouldn't be running Enterprise Servers.
[23:19] <Tellmarch> jMCg, what a stupid answer that is.
[23:19] <juven> so this is another stupid question :D why cant the cloud servers run vm
[23:20] <juven> is there like other help sites i can read things from
[23:20] <geekbri> juven: did you try the ubuntu help site?
[23:20] <juven> yeaa
[23:20] <juven> i couldnt get anything only information they have is to download xen server
[23:22] <geekbri> juven: what exactly are you trying to do, are you using amazon EC2? im a bit confused but it seems like you want to install a VM server into a cloud server... which seems a bit unnecessary since if youre using ec2 you can just spin up new cloud servers cheaply
[23:23] <juven> ok i am actually in the learning phase so i bought a server and installed ubuntu 10.10 cloud
[23:24] <geekbri> well if you own one server, why not install ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[23:24] <juven> and what i want to do is learn the whole linux system as i want to get certified :)
[23:24] <juven> bc the place i am working for they are moving to cloud
[23:24] <juven> so trying to learn
[23:25] <geekbri> juven: install ubuntu 10.04 onto that server, sign up for an amazon AWS account and get an EC2 account if you want to learn how to install things onto a cloud server.
[23:25] <RoyK> juven: I don't know any certification programs for ubuntu yet, but I'm sure you'll find some if you check canonical's pages
[23:25] <zul> doko: right ill get to it tonight
[23:26] <juven> no i meant general certification like linux+ but b4 that i want to learn about cloud with linux
[23:27] <geekbri> juven: you are all sorts of confused my friend.  just install ubuntu 10.04 LTS onto that physical server ou bought and worry about EC2 after you figure out how to do that
[23:27] <geekbri> am i being trolled?
[23:28] <juven> i know about vm already but just one quick question so from the cloud server how do i install like regular server
[23:28] <geekbri> juven: that depends on what cloud service you are using. If you are using ec2 you can use google.com and find plenty of articles on how to spin up an ubuntu EC2 instance of your own.
[23:29] <juven> ok thx if i have any question please help me but thx alot though i will do some self research on ec2
[23:30] <RoyK> http://www.b3tards.com/u/d81a83cf6d5a93144ba7/usb_laptop_self-charger_cable.jpg
[23:41] <twb> My lucid router serves NTP to downstream networks.  Occasionally (ref hourly samples: http://paste.debian.net/105104/), the jitter goes through the roof.  Why?
[23:42]  * RoyK blames solar output