[00:00] <HazRPG> problem with wine is that is very very dependant on what parts and drivers you use
[00:02] <HazRPG> heh, there's no virtualbox channels
[00:02] <rww> #vbox
[00:02] <HazRPG> xD
[00:03] <hamitron> :)
[00:03] <HazRPG> was just going to say alis saved me :P
[00:04] <HazRPG> might have to try wine again on my regular ubuntu install on this machine at some point ^^
[00:05] <gord> benchmarked chromium on this arm chip, gets a better benchmark score than an i7 with IE 8 ;)
[00:06] <gord> almost 10 times slower than chromium on an i7, but thats to be expected
[00:07] <HazRPG> wait, so your arm processor works better than the i7 one?
[00:07] <HazRPG> is that even possible?
[00:08] <HazRPG> what arm processor you using?
[00:09] <gord> no, my arm processor gets a better score than an i7 running IE8
[00:09] <HazRPG> heh, oh I thought you meant win7 when you said IE8
[00:10] <gord> ... why would i mean win7 when i said ie8?
[00:10] <HazRPG> yeah, apparently IE9 is meant to fix silly things like that - but I highly doubt it
[00:10] <HazRPG> lol no I thought you meant win7 with IE8 on it (thought your i7 was a typo)
[00:11] <gord> web browsing on this seems fine though
[00:11] <gord> just sound and video to go
[00:12] <HazRPG> out of interest, in your benchmarks, you running the same o/s on both?
[00:12] <gord> no i didn't run the ie8 benchmark, that was a reference
[00:25] <HazRPG> gord: ah, fair enough
[00:25] <HazRPG> still, its kinda obvious  that any browser would out-bench IE :P
[01:16] <HazRPG> is it worth doing any of the ubuntu courses?
[01:23]  * hamitron is a big believer in buying books
[01:23] <HazRPG> true, but you can't put that on a CV though can you :P
[01:23] <hamitron> but suppose that doesn't get you recognised stuff
[01:23] <hamitron> aye
[01:24] <Azelphur> popey, that giffgaff looks interesting
[01:24] <hamitron> I've heard good things about the ubuntu stuff, but not done it myself
[01:24] <Azelphur> what's the unlimited web, fair usage policy or tethering not allowed?
[01:25] <hamitron> Azelphur: ?
[01:25] <Azelphur> hamitron, he posted it on his twitter, a community ran mobile operator
[01:25] <Azelphur> looks cool
[01:25] <hamitron> nothing is truely unlimited ;/
[01:26] <HazRPG> lol
[01:26] <HazRPG> link please
[01:26] <Azelphur> "However, as part of explaining all of this, giffgaff have also confirmed that if you buy a “GoodyBag” (most of which come with “unlimited” data) then their is no hard and fast fair use limit; I suspect they still reserve the right to cut off someone who is running the connection 24×7, but in general, you can use more than 100MB a day without immediate impact."
[01:26] <Azelphur> :O
[01:29] <HazRPG> nvm google ftw
[01:30] <Azelphur> this looks really awesome
[01:30] <Azelphur> they don't allow tethering but neither does 3 I tether anyway xD
[01:30] <Azelphur> or t-mobile before that, which I also tethered
[01:30] <HazRPG> heh same
[01:31] <Azelphur> yea, I'm getting me a giffgaff card
[01:31] <Azelphur> If you get one use popey's referal you might get him nice things, http://popey.me/g4cv64
[01:31] <HazRPG> considering it...
[01:32] <hamitron> hmmm
[01:33] <hamitron> I've been transcoding so much video lately, my seti@home performance is dropping :/
[01:34] <HazRPG> haha, have you see the ad on that site xD
[01:34] <HazRPG> http://giffgaff.com/index/us
[01:35] <HazRPG> you know what, fudge it... I'm getting me a giffgaff xD
[01:35] <HazRPG> *clicks popeys link*
[01:37] <Azelphur> haha
[01:37] <Azelphur> yea this looks awesome
[01:37] <Azelphur> :D
[01:42] <HazRPG> is popey not about on irc?
[01:42] <Azelphur> he's probably asleep it's 2am
[01:42]  * hamitron is getting one
[01:42] <Azelphur> HazRPG, check o2 coverage checker
[01:43] <Azelphur> the system is o2 based so
[01:43] <Azelphur> hamitron, did I tell you I identified and defeated the DoS attack on my server? :p
[01:43] <hamitron> dunno if I should transfer my number :/
[01:44] <hamitron> erm, you said you had his name, phone number and address
[01:44] <hamitron> or someone did
[01:44] <HazRPG> Azelphur: yeah I get good o2 signal at home.
[01:44]  * hamitron gets poor o2
[01:45] <hamitron> but I get poor everything
[01:45] <hamitron> :/
[01:45] <HazRPG> Azelphur: in fact, I'm getting sick of my three contract, should be long finished by now... so been meaning to switch to something else anywas
[01:45] <HazRPG> get really really poor three signal at home :/
[01:45] <hamitron> :\
[01:45] <HazRPG> anyways*
[01:46] <HazRPG> ouch really hamitron?
[01:46] <hamitron> absolute radio classic rock has the streams sorted \o/
[01:46] <hamitron> I get 1 bar if lucky on everything
[01:46] <hamitron> ;)
[01:46] <HazRPG> I just use Rhythmbox Jamendo xD
[01:46] <Azelphur> hamitron, yea :p
[01:46] <hamitron> I live in a hole
[01:46] <HazRPG> hamitron: yeah I get that... o2 is the only one that gives me 2 bars xD
[01:46] <Azelphur> I'mma try it out see what I get
[01:47] <hamitron> so you get a number with the sim card...
[01:47] <hamitron> and can transfer your number later?
[01:48] <hamitron> I been with orange for 13 years
[01:48] <hamitron> :/
[01:49] <Azelphur> hamitron, yea
[01:49] <Azelphur> you get a migration code from your current supplier
[01:50] <HazRPG> hmm, do we not have an ubuntu-uk page on facebook?
[01:50] <hamitron> don't mention facebook!
[01:50] <hamitron> plz
[01:50] <hamitron> ;)
[01:51] <hamitron> but seriously, do many people use it?
[01:51] <hamitron> ;)
[01:51] <HazRPG> why, because of all it security issues, its apps and all that crap
[01:51] <hamitron> the only tech people I know, that are not on facebook, come here
[01:51] <HazRPG> heh, I got it because my friends I hadn't seen since I was at school added me on it and was the easiest way to get in touch with him
[01:52] <hamitron> yeh, I sorta miss losing contact with some friends
[01:52] <hamitron> :/
[01:52] <hamitron> regret even
[01:52] <HazRPG> only reason to ever own fb
[01:52] <hamitron> but they made me sign up to myspace
[01:52] <HazRPG> same :/
[01:52] <hamitron> then decided to change to something else
[01:52] <hamitron> then facebook
[01:52] <hamitron> hehe
[01:53] <HazRPG> closed that ages ago when the craze died
[01:53] <hamitron> I still got my basic white page
[01:53] <hamitron> ;)
[01:53] <HazRPG> I couldn't help but update the colours on mine
[01:53] <hamitron> :D
[01:53] <HazRPG> the web developer within just had to xD
[01:54] <hamitron> I hate colours ;)
[01:55] <HazRPG> one thing that sucked though, was I was doing some DJing at the time at our local rock venue... and tried to convince people to go down, and they did show... but to try and get others to go down, I wrote a php script so that people could put requests on my myspace form I added, and it gets submitted to my mysql db for me to view on my phone... but then myspace decided to block all form requests
[01:56] <HazRPG> because people were using them in a bad way... personally they should have had a verification process to allow you to have them on yours
[01:56] <HazRPG> if you can anything on your profile's html, then reset, etc
[01:56] <HazRPG> but nooooooooo
[01:57] <HazRPG> it sucked :(
[01:57] <HazRPG> putting a link on your myspace didn't work as good as an actual html form
[01:58] <HazRPG> thing that was stupid was, they never stopped people using php images T_T
[01:59] <HazRPG> I had a php script on my server to render an image, and each time someone looked at my page, it would log who viewed it.
[01:59] <hamitron> :/
[01:59] <HazRPG> it was just proof of concept
[02:00] <HazRPG> allowing any CSS coding on a site is just bad juju lol
[02:02] <HazRPG> holy cow, I just thought
[02:03] <HazRPG> I should have instead thrown out the html form on my profile, and replaced with an image link, with the picture looking exactly the same as the form did
[02:03] <HazRPG> when they click on it, it would have opened up the proper website with the form
[02:03] <HazRPG> dagnabit
[02:03] <hamitron> :D
[02:04] <HazRPG> 6 years too late for that epiphany xD
[02:06] <hamitron> all too much effort imo
[02:06] <hamitron> I just like the old fashioned IRC
[02:06] <hamitron> and maybe ICQ
[02:06] <HazRPG> ewww ICQ >_<
[02:06] <HazRPG> *evil-cross*
[02:06] <hamitron> better than MSN ;p
[02:07] <HazRPG> for anonymity maybe...
[02:07] <hamitron> more reliable too
[02:07] <HazRPG> the number of viruses flowing through that thing, and random shits trying to add you for webcam (bad-word here)... it was unreal!
[02:08] <hamitron> I used to use MSN as well, but that used to cause arguements with my gf
[02:08] <HazRPG> really?
[02:08] <hamitron> messages would just randomly not get through
[02:08] <hamitron> and she would assume I was ignoring her
[02:08] <HazRPG> just being on msn? or the fact that you used ICQ more?
[02:08] <HazRPG> oh that
[02:09] <HazRPG> heh
[02:09] <HazRPG> <== used IRC
[02:09] <HazRPG> and got my friends to do the same ^^,
[02:09] <hamitron> most people I know use MSN
[02:09] <HazRPG> only had msn for friends who wouldn't try irc
[02:09] <hamitron> :/
[02:09] <HazRPG> see, I find facebook has overtaken MSN
[02:10] <hamitron> maybe
[02:10] <hamitron> I'm not on either
[02:10] <hamitron> :)
[02:10] <hamitron> and when I read how much time some people burn on facebook... no way i intend to start
[02:10] <HazRPG> people get really annoyed when they don't see me online and I keep telling them "Dude, I'm never offline - always on msn, you're the ones who aren't online"
[02:11] <hamitron> :)
[02:11] <HazRPG> stupid laggy fb chat
[02:11] <HazRPG> heh, trust me I don't see the addiction towards fb
[02:11] <hamitron> tbh, I am more likely to reduce the things I communicate through, the way things are
[02:12] <HazRPG> best thing to do, never accept apps on it... and you'll be fine
[02:12] <hamitron> too much spam mail
[02:12] <hamitron> ah :)
[02:12] <hamitron> and there has been problems with deleting your personal data...
[02:12] <HazRPG> most people are on facebook cos they play this game or that game
[02:12] <HazRPG> how so?
[02:12] <hamitron> I've just read things
[02:13] <HazRPG> my dad has deleted his like 5 times now xD
[02:13] <hamitron> but is the stuff really deleted?
[02:13] <HazRPG> same could be said about anything though?
[02:13] <hamitron> it certainly used to be the case, stuff could still be accessed
[02:14] <hamitron> suppose so
[02:14] <HazRPG> I supposedly deleted a few of my old msn accounts, but when I try to login with them it says "would you like to recover all your data?"
[02:14] <hamitron> but I mean... things like photo
[02:15] <hamitron> if you tell it to remove all your data... others should not be able to still download it
[02:15] <HazRPG> plus you can still be anonymous on facebook anyways, make an e-mail account for fb (www.mail.com for example and pick a domain) and then set yourself a double name
[02:15] <hamitron> all effort
[02:15] <hamitron> haha
[02:15] <hamitron> better things to do with my time
[02:15] <HazRPG> e.g. I use to go by Hazardous Hax on a few things
[02:15] <hamitron> (like moan in here)
[02:15] <hamitron> ;/
[02:16] <HazRPG> ;p
[02:17] <hamitron> 1865 unread emails
[02:17] <hamitron> :/
[02:19] <hamitron> going to have to be hard on them and delete some
[02:19] <hamitron> too many "tips"
[02:20] <HazRPG> I have 607 in my inbox, 668 From social networks, 2 Dad, 301 Newsletters, 279 from my own list of spam I made in filters, 79 youtube :/
[02:20] <hamitron> unread?
[02:20] <HazRPG> yeah all unread
[02:20] <hamitron> it is a relief to hear someone else is as bad as me
[02:20] <hamitron> :)
[02:20] <HazRPG> I filter/label all mine into different stuff via gmail
[02:21] <HazRPG> my proper gmail spam folder apparently has 5000+ >_<
[02:21] <HazRPG> yeah tell me about it, I always thought I was the only one to have a massive list of unread :P
[02:22] <hamitron> hehe
[02:22] <hamitron> I've deleted all spam
[02:22] <hamitron> and I always read important mail within a few days
[02:23] <hamitron> but the backlog of reviews, tips and whitepapers is insane
[02:23] <hamitron> most I won't bother with, but each has to be opened to see what is inside
[02:23] <HazRPG> heh for important e-mails I have an e-mail address with just my full name on it ^^
[02:24] <HazRPG> in that I have 1 unread e-mail ^^
[02:26] <HazRPG> main email address for signing up to stuff, my other is personal friends, family, business related stuff
[02:26] <hamitron> oldest unread email is 23/08/2007
[02:27] <hamitron> \o/
[02:27] <HazRPG> rofl
[02:27] <hamitron> I find when I get a new email address, I get no spam until I give some certain "friends" it
[02:27] <HazRPG> oh crap, I win xD
[02:27] <HazRPG> 12/10/2006
[02:28] <hamitron> haha
[02:28] <HazRPG> haha, oops its my ex-gf too xD
[02:29] <hamitron> I suspect it is because them friends who cause problems are part of a group who use a lot of CC
[02:29] <hamitron> :/
[02:30] <hamitron> don't get much spam now
[02:30] <HazRPG> ah, see the friends I give it to are geeks xD
[02:30] <hamitron> it is normally stupid women that cause me problems
[02:30] <hamitron> :/
[02:30] <HazRPG> plus the others I tell them "don't you DARE fw/cc/bcc any mail to me"
[02:30] <hamitron> if only they listened
[02:30] <hamitron> :)
[02:31] <HazRPG> it worked
[02:31] <HazRPG> I have one for them to CC crap to
[02:31] <HazRPG> and one for them to send me important stuff to xD
[02:31] <hamitron> I changed email address 4 times and told them 3 of them times
[02:31] <hamitron> never listened
[02:31] <hamitron> so now cut them off
[02:32] <HazRPG> heh, I hate to say it but do my trick
[02:32] <hamitron> tell them?
[02:32] <hamitron> I mailed them and put filters in place
[02:32] <hamitron> :/
[02:32] <hamitron> then got complaints with them been banned
[02:33] <hamitron> oh well
[02:33] <HazRPG> I sent out a mass mail saying "hi guys, this is my new e-mail address. For those of you who like to Forward, CC or BCC mail, please don't to me. If you do, I shall be signing you up to newsletters to see how you like receiving crap loads of SPAM. Regards, Haz"
[02:33] <hamitron> cut the spam down a lot since I reply to them all
[02:34] <hamitron> haha
[02:34] <hamitron> "Hi,
[02:34] <hamitron> thanks for the mail, but no thanks.  You have had your address blocked by my automated filter system.  Abuse is caused by your incompetent use of Internet technology.  Please contact me via an alternative method to have this process reversed and follow rules given.  Thanks again, and hope to hear from you"
[02:34] <HazRPG> one person refused to listen, and so I sent him a reply saying "thanks, clearly you don't read your e-mails... enjoy your spam" and signed him up to 10 newsletters
[02:35] <hamitron> evil
[02:35] <hamitron> :)
[02:35] <HazRPG> yeah, but blocking people is just as evil xD
[02:35] <hamitron> but all this has just made me give up with comms online
[02:36] <hamitron> coms*
[02:36] <HazRPG> I know how you feel
[02:36] <hamitron> I login here, and just get the odd warning when I cross the line
[02:36] <hamitron> easy
[02:36] <hamitron> :)
[02:36] <HazRPG> I have mail between 2007-2008 where I just never checked my e-mail address xD
[02:36] <hamitron> :/
[02:37] <hamitron> to my credit... I do have spells where I actually read them
[02:37] <hamitron> just never get below 700 now
[02:37] <HazRPG> hurray for spam and the internets way of annoying people!
[02:37] <hamitron> most mine is ZDNet now
[02:37] <hamitron> :/
[02:37] <hamitron> sure they've increased the amount I get sent
[02:39] <HazRPG> heh
[02:39] <HazRPG> I had a spell whereby I went and read ALL emails I got and clicked the "unsubscribe" link... but I don't think it works :/
[02:39] <hamitron> I found it works
[02:39] <hamitron> :)
[02:39] <hamitron> done it now for a year
[02:40] <hamitron> used to get 60 spam emails per day
[02:40] <hamitron> now get no more than 3
[02:40] <hamitron> I assume it is the clicking anyway
[02:40] <hamitron> I also reply to them
[02:40] <HazRPG> ?
[02:40] <hamitron> click the links to buy viagra and stuff
[02:41] <hamitron> ;)
[02:41] <HazRPG> xD
[02:41] <hamitron> just hassle them
[02:42] <hamitron> if everyone did it, they'd stop
[02:42] <hamitron> ;)
[02:42] <HazRPG> have you ever e-mailed the abuse@<domain_name> before for the servers that host said websites?
[02:42] <hamitron> no
[02:42] <HazRPG> cos I have, it works a treat xD
[02:42] <hamitron> I normally target customer service
[02:43] <hamitron> eg go to a meds site, and ask what would be best thing to handle stress of spam
[02:43] <Azelphur> haha popey finally popped his cherry and rooted his hero
[02:43] <HazRPG> I got a reply back once and it said "Thank you for your e-mail, we have looked into the problem and shut down the website for spamming many e-mail addresses." or words to that effect
[02:43] <hamitron> I sent 1000 requests to 1 place once
[02:43] <hamitron> :)
[02:43] <hamitron> nice Azelphur
[02:43] <hamitron> and nice haz
[02:44] <Azelphur> haz?
[02:44] <hamitron> I've decided I won't break any more devices in my life
[02:44] <HazRPG>  /waves
[02:44] <hamitron> if the manufacturer restricts a device to something I don't want, I won't buy it
[02:45] <Azelphur> haha
[02:45] <HazRPG> I'm tempted to install GeoHotz CFW on my PS3...
[02:45]  * hamitron stands firm
[02:45] <Azelphur> I rooted my g2 and g1 when I got them :D
[02:45] <HazRPG> but I've already updated to 3.55
[02:45] <hamitron> PS3 is one thing I would of bought, had they not removed the linux option
[02:45] <hamitron> :)
[02:45] <HazRPG> Azelphur: I haven't bothered rooting my Nexus One yet
[02:45] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:45] <hamitron> I really wanted a game console
[02:45] <hamitron> :/
[02:46] <HazRPG> in all honesty, linux didn't work that great on the PS3 :/
[02:46] <hamitron> it has plenty of ram
[02:46] <hamitron> ;/
[02:46] <HazRPG> calculations was awesome fast... but if you needed anything that was RAM heavy... it sucked
[02:46] <HazRPG> 256MB ram is all it had
[02:46] <hamitron> this comp I am on has 128Mb...
[02:46] <HazRPG> or at least had access to...
[02:46] <Azelphur> ^ because they locked off most of the machine I heard
[02:47] <HazRPG> yeah linux had access to 1 cpu, and limited gfx
[02:47] <HazRPG> until Geo hax it and made them mad
[02:47] <HazRPG> and in their rage kill attempt they blocked Other OS
[02:47] <HazRPG> so Geo rage haxed it back in xD
[02:47] <hamitron> tbh, it would be enough for me how it was...
[02:48] <hamitron> not something I need or would use much
[02:48] <hamitron> but just sony removing it annoyed me
[02:48] <HazRPG> wasn't a fully supported processor, so I had trouble finding apps for it
[02:48] <HazRPG> or at least with ubuntu ps3
[02:48] <hamitron> I was about 2 weeks away from buying a 2nd hand ps3 for it
[02:49] <hamitron> and over paying, just to get the fat version
[02:49] <hamitron> lucky, sony did not delay a month
[02:49] <hamitron> but if they had, I'd be really upset
[02:49] <hamitron> and it has knocked my confidence in sony
[02:49] <hamitron> nearly getting burnt, is close enough for me...
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[02:50] <hamitron> sorry, always do that ;/
[02:50] <HazRPG> trust me I was more pissed off then you would have been though
[02:50] <Azelphur> can't you demand a refund?
[02:50] <HazRPG> I'd been running linux on my original fat 60GB for about 3 years when they took that feature out
[02:50] <HazRPG> Azelphur: nope :/
[02:50] <Azelphur> what happened to the class action?
[02:51] <HazRPG> which is why Geo is currently in a law suit that sony filed
[02:51] <Azelphur> o.O
[02:51] <HazRPG> not for trying to get a refund
[02:51] <HazRPG> but for trying to put back an option in his console that was originally a "feature" that was advertised for in the manuals and on tv/box art
[02:52] <hamitron> more I think about it, the less likely I will get a PSP 2/Phone
[02:53] <HazRPG> I barely use my PSP, so I don't see the point in getting it
[02:53] <HazRPG> only time my PSP or DS gets cracked open now, is to take it on long flights
[02:53] <hamitron> I either play my PSP, or read a book when I go for a shit
[02:53] <HazRPG> but when I buy a kindle... I fully plan on not bothering with my PSP or DS
[02:53] <hamitron> so still gets a fair amount of use :)
[02:54] <HazRPG> xD
[02:54] <HazRPG> bothering haz?? argh I meant bother*
[02:54] <hamitron> the 1 thing that stops me buying some new games, is if the games may not work on the custom firmware
[02:54] <HazRPG> like brother, but without the RRRRRR
[02:55] <HazRPG> hamitron: same
[02:55] <hamitron> you done much with lua on it?
[02:55] <HazRPG> I like my emu's too much to risk losing them
[02:55] <hamitron> or other coding
[02:55] <HazRPG> PSP you mean?
[02:55] <hamitron> yeh
[02:55] <HazRPG> not really
[02:56] <HazRPG> only time I've coded in LUA is to make my own addon for wow
[02:56] <HazRPG> (which apparently still works according to my friends xD)
[02:56] <hamitron> :)
[02:56] <hamitron> I got my ngage and psp to both code on
[02:56] <hamitron> but never got round to it
[02:56] <hamitron> :/
[02:57] <hamitron> not had psp long though
[02:57] <HazRPG> wow, I still have an ngage too somewhere... not sure if it still works
[02:57] <hamitron> mine is my main phone ;)
[02:57] <hamitron> my ngage qd has suffered the white screen of death
[02:57] <hamitron> :(
[02:58] <hamitron> so now I am forced to side talk
[02:58] <HazRPG> my uncle in egypt always said "nuss-reef" which translates to "half slice of bread"... but they don't have sliced bread like we do, they have something similar to a naan bread
[02:59] <HazRPG> I don't get why no one liked how the ngage talked from the side
[02:59] <HazRPG> I found I had less trouble using my ngage then any other phone
[02:59] <hamitron> I do
[02:59] <hamitron> it gives me a sore ear for long calls :/
[02:59] <hamitron> and I feel like a prat on it in public
[02:59] <hamitron> ;)
[03:00] <HazRPG> phone didn't overheat with long conversations
[03:00] <HazRPG> heh, I found it better for long calls
[03:00] <hamitron> do others?
[03:00] <HazRPG> granted you couldn't just rest it on your shoulder though
[03:00] <hamitron> I know it gets a better signal than smaller phones
[03:00] <hamitron> I never could do that with any phone :/
[03:00] <HazRPG> this is also true
[03:01] <HazRPG> really, you can't rest it on your shoulder? (any phone?)
[03:01] <hamitron> no
[03:01] <HazRPG> till your head man xD
[03:01] <sm1773r> hey guys
[03:01] <hamitron> my neck hurts at large angles :/
[03:01] <HazRPG> surely you can touch your head onto your shoulder right?
[03:01] <hamitron> hi sm :)
[03:01] <HazRPG> sm1773r: hey
[03:01] <HazRPG> hamitron: ah
[03:02] <hamitron> HazRPG: easier to hold the phone ;/
[03:02] <HazRPG> lift your shoulder than xD
[03:02] <sm1773r> ??? what u lot talkin bout lol
[03:02] <HazRPG> phones xD
[03:02] <HazRPG> gadgets
[03:02] <HazRPG> etc
[03:02] <hamitron> holding a phone to your ear with your shoulder atm
[03:02] <hamitron> :|
[03:02] <HazRPG> hmm, I'd say read up... but obv you just joined
[03:02] <sm1773r> lol so im guessin then holding a phone without using ur hands
[03:03] <HazRPG> is there like a history bot in here or something?
[03:03] <sm1773r> duck tape it to ur head ....
[03:03] <HazRPG> xD
[03:03] <hamitron> ideally, the PSP would take a sim :/
[03:03] <hamitron> that would be my dream phone
[03:03] <sm1773r> elastic bands
[03:03] <HazRPG> I use a ps3 headset for my phone
[03:04] <sm1773r> has there been any new leaks of the psp phone since xmas
[03:04] <hamitron> and no touch screen
[03:04] <hamitron> I hate finger prints on my screen :/
[03:04] <HazRPG> sometimes forget the damn thing is in my ear its so comfortable xD
[03:04] <hamitron> :)
[03:04] <hamitron> I would be willing to use a headset
[03:04] <sm1773r> what the ps3 bluetooth headset
[03:04] <HazRPG> haha yup
[03:04] <hamitron> still tempted to try skype on the PSP
[03:04] <hamitron> buy a number for it
[03:04] <hamitron> :)
[03:05] <sm1773r> it kills the inside of my ear after a hour or so
[03:05] <HazRPG> I mainly got it for my ps3... but since non of my friends have VoIP
[03:05] <hamitron> :/
[03:05] <HazRPG> started using it on my PC/Phone instead xD
[03:05] <HazRPG> hamitron: only thing is, you need to be in wifi range :P
[03:05] <HazRPG> that you have access to
[03:05] <hamitron> minor issue
[03:05] <hamitron> ;/
[03:05] <sm1773r> carry a miwi bout
[03:06] <hamitron> I don't carry my phone out of this room...
[03:06] <HazRPG> or carry a phone that has wifi tethering (like an android phone) and do it that way
[03:06] <hamitron> more like a land line
[03:07] <hamitron> if anything the PSP has a greater range than my phone.... to the bathroom ;)
[03:07] <HazRPG> right, brb... going to go get some smokes from tescos
[03:07] <hamitron> 3am :/
[03:07] <hamitron> I better not get more coffee
[03:07] <HazRPG> 24hr tescos :P
[03:07] <sm1773r> lol should have stocked up earlier man
[03:07] <HazRPG> I usually buy em in 100's
[03:07] <hamitron> 100 pack? :|
[03:07] <HazRPG> no 100 cigs xD
[03:08] <HazRPG> 5-pack
[03:08] <sm1773r> lol i used to but the misses started hating the fact that i only went shopping when i needed smokes
[03:08] <HazRPG> but finished my last pack like 3hrs ago, and been lazy to move
[03:08] <hamitron> 1 pack with 100 cigs won't go in your pocket, so was gonna say..
[03:08] <hamitron> haha sm :D
[03:08] <HazRPG> haha, my ex did that to me too sm ^^
[03:09] <HazRPG> made me quit :(
[03:09] <sm1773r> let me guess she was a non smoker
[03:09] <HazRPG> quit for 9 months, til she dumped me :/
[03:09] <HazRPG> sm1773r: yup :/
[03:09] <HazRPG> apparently it "smelled bad"
[03:09] <hamitron> it does ;)
[03:10] <sm1773r> lol thats the only thing i like since it keeps the wife at bay
[03:10] <HazRPG> I use to be a non-smoker, and I loved the smell of it (parents were smokers when I was little, dad like his cigar, and mum liked her cigs)
[03:10] <hamitron> I like it in the right place
[03:10] <hamitron> hate it at home
[03:10] <hamitron> but fine down the pub
[03:10] <sm1773r> i liked it in the pub but that joy has been taken away
[03:10] <hamitron> it has? ;)
[03:11] <sm1773r> cant smoke in pubs
[03:11] <HazRPG> anyone noticed how nightclubs smell so bad now that smokers don't smoke indoors anymore?
[03:11] <hamitron> legally ;/
[03:11] <hamitron> yes HazRPG
[03:11] <sm1773r> lol yea legally
[03:11] <HazRPG> sm1773r: I smoke indoors in pubs all the time
[03:11] <hamitron> sweaty men and piss :/
[03:11] <sm1773r> @HAZ wouldnt no bud , last time i went clubbing i ended up marrying the person i pulled
[03:11] <HazRPG> lock-ins however...
[03:11] <HazRPG> sm1773r: :P
[03:11] <hamitron> :)
[03:12] <hamitron> I should go on the pull again soon
[03:12] <HazRPG> see, I say nightclub... but what I really mean is rockclub...
[03:12] <hamitron> same HazRPG
[03:12] <hamitron> :)
[03:12] <hamitron> well, mostly
[03:12] <sm1773r> rock club ?
[03:12] <HazRPG> yeah, with rock music instead of cheese
[03:12] <sm1773r> lol k
[03:12] <hamitron> I have a problem there HazRPG
[03:13] <sm1773r> glasgow aint got mainy
[03:13] <hamitron> I tend to chat up townies
[03:13] <hamitron> :/
[03:13] <HazRPG> don't get me wrong, I like all sorts of music... but well it's the crowd that I hate about "dance music" types
[03:13] <hamitron> and get dragged into a pile of cheese
[03:13] <sm1773r> all the ned n chavs
[03:13] <HazRPG> sm1773r: you kidding? I went to a few in glasgow when my mate use to live there
[03:14] <hamitron> at 60p per shot, rock all the way ;)
[03:14] <sm1773r> yea but not mainy compaired to tipical niteclubs
[03:14] <hamitron> ofc not
[03:14] <hamitron> if there was, they'd be "typical" ;)
[03:14] <sm1773r> true that
[03:14] <HazRPG> I want me a linux chick... hard to find though in this small cumbrian city :/
[03:14] <hamitron> LUG?
[03:15] <sm1773r> trying to get the wife to change OS but aint having it , bloody iphone
[03:15] <hamitron> I never actually been to a LUG
[03:15] <hamitron> :\
[03:15] <hamitron> never touched an iphone
[03:15] <hamitron> :)
[03:16] <HazRPG> LUG LUG LUG... as in the sound you make when you chug down beer?
[03:16] <hamitron> :))
[03:16] <sm1773r> had 4 , they are ok phones but got rid of mines because everyone and there dog has them now lol
[03:16] <hamitron> hehe
[03:16] <hamitron> I want a side talking Eee PC :/
[03:16] <hamitron> just to be different
[03:16] <HazRPG> sm1773r: shame, so far I've managed to convert a few of my ex's ... but they always seem to dump me after, almost like all the chicks I dated just wanted my IT expertise lol
[03:16] <sm1773r> lol
[03:17] <sm1773r> lol just using u for ur brain instead of looks
[03:17] <HazRPG> apparently
[03:17] <hamitron> I don't mind a woman "using" me ;)
[03:18] <HazRPG> I don't, so long as they just keep using me ^^
[03:18] <hamitron> :D
[03:18] <sm1773r> yea but u think using me for the good stuff when we all no it is a case of can u put this shelf up
[03:18] <HazRPG> no one likes to be a tossed sock
[03:19] <HazRPG> (I wanted to use a word that starts with D instead of sock, however I'm not fully sure of the rules on such words xD)
[03:19] <hamitron> it is against the rules
[03:19] <hamitron> using such filth
[03:19]  * hamitron shakes head
[03:19] <sm1773r> tut tut
[03:20] <hamitron> head on shoulders that is ;/
[03:20] <sm1773r> lol back to the phone
[03:20] <hamitron> yeh
[03:20] <hamitron> before someone with power awakes
[03:20] <hamitron> :)
[03:20] <HazRPG> xD
[03:21] <sm1773r> speaking of awake , its 3:20am why u both up
[03:21] <HazRPG> right, as I was saying ... STOP, tesco time!
[03:21]  * hamitron has a cough
[03:21]  * HazRPG sleeps at 4pm and wakes at midnight at the moment
[03:21] <sm1773r> lol forgot bout the lack of cigs
[03:21] <sm1773r> ah same here sleep all day , bloody annoying
[03:22] <hamitron> if I was to smoke, it would be a pipe
[03:22] <hamitron> :)
[03:22] <hamitron> way more cool
[03:22] <sm1773r> what like hugh hefner
[03:22] <HazRPG> I have a sheesha pipe, if that counts
[03:22] <hamitron> cigs rolled with paper are just boring :/
[03:22] <HazRPG> however, coal indoors is not a good plan xD
[03:23] <sm1773r> ?
[03:23] <HazRPG> esp. when my sister is constantly coming in and out of my computer room
[03:24] <HazRPG> sorry "shisha pipe"
[03:24] <sm1773r> lol ah ok
[03:24] <hamitron> google corrected the spelling
[03:24] <hamitron> :)
[03:24] <HazRPG> indeed xD
[03:24] <hamitron> that really is not what I had in mind
[03:24] <hamitron> ;/
[03:24] <sm1773r> lol good old google , i would have failed uni if it wasnt around
[03:24] <HazRPG> I was typing it phonetically as its pronounced in arabic
[03:25] <HazRPG> hamitron: I know, but its still a piped tobacco type thing though isn't it xD
[03:26] <HazRPG> so tempted to light one up anyways xD
[03:26] <hamitron> it is still cool
[03:26] <hamitron> :)
[03:26] <HazRPG> with some orange tobacco
[03:26] <hamitron> but can't really carry it around with you...
[03:27] <sm1773r> tie it to ur back maybe
[03:27] <hamitron> http://www.shopping-toys.com/images/ux_a07121500ux0069_ux_c.jpg
[03:27] <hamitron> omg omg
[03:27] <hamitron> 10 quid
[03:27] <HazRPG> http://www.4himonly.co.uk/images/445093-red-shisha-pipe.jpg
[03:27] <hamitron> I may start smoking
[03:27] <HazRPG> that red one goes in a box
[03:27] <HazRPG> I have a blue one similar to that, but with a more egyptian style to it
[03:27]  * hamitron is the sort of person who does the opersite to what he is advised
[03:28] <sm1773r> i would still miss place it somewhere
[03:28] <HazRPG> the pipe or shisha pipe?
[03:28] <sm1773r> shisha pipe
[03:28] <HazRPG> hamitron: DO start smoke...
[03:29]  * HazRPG waits for response at the edge of his seat
[03:29] <HazRPG> sm1773r: ah, heh yeah
[03:29] <hamitron> :s
[03:29]  * hamitron confused
[03:29] <hamitron> everyone says don't
[03:29] <hamitron> :/
[03:30] <HazRPG> sm1773r: I wish it was popular here as it is in arabian countries... instead of taking your own out with you, you just order one with your meal/coffee/etc
[03:30] <HazRPG> its fantastic!
[03:30] <HazRPG> almost like being at a festival
[03:30] <sm1773r> seen it on topgear special at xmas they were in a cafe just puffin away lol
[03:31] <sm1773r> http://www.shishahookah.co.uk/shisha-pipe/crystal-oasis-hookah-38-syrian
[03:31] <HazRPG> haha, oh yea forgot about that - saw that too
[03:31] <sm1773r> lol 50 quid for this one
[03:31] <hamitron> just looking....
[03:31] <hamitron> how you know what bakky to buy? ;/
[03:31] <HazRPG> cheaper over there tbh
[03:31] <hamitron> complicated subject
[03:31] <HazRPG> mine cost me £25 roughly
[03:32] <hamitron> "Virginia leaf, flavoured with the essence of Coffee."
[03:32] <hamitron> :D
[03:32] <HazRPG> with coal + tobacco + box + bag of sanitised tips
[03:32] <sm1773r> the range of flavoured tobacco for them is unbelievable
[03:33] <HazRPG> hamitron: just get one to your taste really
[03:33] <HazRPG> personally, melon has a nice strong flavour to it
[03:33] <hamitron> that is pipe tobacco I think
[03:33] <HazRPG> and orange
[03:33] <HazRPG> and cherry I think
[03:33] <hamitron> £4.79 per 25g
[03:33] <HazRPG> still want to try cola, apple or double apple is popular - but personally I think it has no taste  to it (or very very mild)
[03:34] <hamitron> what is coffee like?
[03:34] <HazRPG> haha win: http://www.shishahookah.co.uk/shisha-pipe/skull-hookah-15
[03:34] <HazRPG> hamitron: quite nice
[03:34] <sm1773r> lol his and hers
[03:35] <HazRPG> but like cigs, they're thousands of brands, so its hard to say just by just what flavour it is
[03:35] <sm1773r> check the price lol http://www.shishahookah.co.uk/shisha-pipe/shisha-pipe-khalil-mamoon-cafe/superking-bhariya
[03:36]  * hamitron wouldn't know how to use one
[03:37] <HazRPG> its cos they're collectors pieces
[03:37] <HazRPG> my dad had one that was 6'
[03:37] <sm1773r> if u go abroad they set it all up in the cafe ect and u just puff away
[03:37] <HazRPG> this is true
[03:38] <HazRPG> or if your like me, the family teach you how to do it :P
[03:38] <HazRPG> (mum's egyptian)
[03:38] <sm1773r> grrrr
[03:39] <sm1773r> was thinking of trying a diy but can see it going so wrong lol
[03:39] <HazRPG> some tips I've had in the past is using lemon juice instead of water in the bowl
[03:39] <HazRPG> DIY or a shisha pipe?
[03:39] <HazRPG> that's just a water bong xD
[03:39] <sm1773r> lol both , making a shisha from scratch but can see it going wrong
[03:40] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjF8kRw1Q7A
[03:40] <HazRPG> not hard, it really isn't
[03:40] <HazRPG> if you have the right gear
[03:41] <sm1773r> see thats to much work
[03:41] <HazRPG> which bit xD?
[03:41] <sm1773r> lol mix the shisha
[03:41]  * hamitron has to wait for ages to buffer the vid
[03:41] <hamitron> ;/
[03:42] <HazRPG> it really isn't dude
[03:42] <hamitron> tbh, pipe looks cheaper
[03:42] <HazRPG> plus each pipe lasts about an hr xD
[03:42] <sm1773r> really .... interested again now
[03:44] <HazRPG> lol in the vid? or getting one?
[03:44] <HazRPG> personally I just put holes anywhere and randomly
[03:44] <sm1773r> getting one
[03:45] <sm1773r> dont think the wife wuld be happy with all the tin foil going missing mind
[03:45] <HazRPG> xD
[03:45] <HazRPG> buy your own and stash it :P
[03:46] <sm1773r> and she finds it and decides to use it for the chicken on sundays
[03:46] <HazRPG> xD
[03:46] <HazRPG> man, all this talk about smoking is making me want to now xD
[03:47] <HazRPG> right bbs xD
[03:47] <hamitron> laters
[03:47] <hamitron> :)
[03:47] <HazRPG> or I'm gonna go crazy lol
[03:47] <sm1773r> lol oh yea tesco
[03:47] <sm1773r> ive smoked bout 10 since tesco was 1st mentioned
[03:48] <HazRPG> xD damn you!
[03:49] <hamitron> :)
[03:49] <sm1773r> brb need a cuppa
[03:49] <HazRPG> right ready for my journey now... bbs
[03:49] <HazRPG> make me one too :P
[03:49] <sm1773r> kettle takes ages grabbed a beer instead lol
[03:51] <sm1773r> what irc client u usin hamitron
[04:00] <hamitron> pidgin
[04:01] <hamitron> still not watched this youtube vid
[04:01] <hamitron> :/
[04:01] <hamitron> internet seems slower than normal
[04:05] <sm1773r> soz bud was in living room there
[04:05] <sm1773r> mines has been poor all day
[04:06] <sm1773r> might need to reboot router
[04:25] <HazRPG|Tescos> howdy
[04:26] <HazRPG|Tescos> I did a router reboot earlier cos it was playing up
[04:26] <HazRPG|Tescos> also, I use pidgin too
[04:26] <HazRPG|Tescos> using dropbox to keep both my win & ubuntu lists updated
[04:27] <sm1773r> lol i done a full install so ubuntu is all i run
[04:27] <HazRPG|Tescos> I play games from time to time, so I can't fully convert over
[04:27] <sm1773r> u feeling better now u have smokes
[04:27] <HazRPG|Tescos> oh fuck aye xD
[04:28] <sm1773r> dont really do pc gaming , the black beauty aka ps3 is my gaming comitment
[04:28] <HazRPG|Tescos> and mountain dew :)
[04:28] <sm1773r> lol dew
[04:28] <HazRPG|Tescos> that's what I said to my sis
[04:28] <HazRPG|Tescos> do the dew, mountain dew!
[04:29] <sm1773r> lol
[04:29] <sm1773r> prefer the good old monster energy
[04:29] <HazRPG> heh, first time I tried that was at a festival
[04:29] <sm1773r> trying to get used to xchat but doing my head in
[04:30] <HazRPG> my birthday falls in the 2nd week of june, and download is always that weekend :D
[04:30] <sm1773r> its no red bull but good enough
[04:30] <HazRPG> sm1773r: how so?
[04:30] <sm1773r> never used it before so trying to get used to the layout of it
[04:30] <HazRPG> I think its daft how people consider mountain dew as an energy drink tbh, I remember back when it didn't have the word "energy" at the end of it
[04:31] <HazRPG> its similar to mIRC in some ways, that was back when I had 98
[04:31] <sm1773r> only started getting classed as energy after sports started giving it to there players
[04:31] <HazRPG> oh how my friends wondered how I played quake online back then xD
[04:32] <sm1773r> lol thoughs were the days
[04:32] <HazRPG> yeah, but the bottle says "mountain dew energy" which is daft, I think it's just marketing so that the UK population will drink it
[04:32] <HazRPG> surely you mean those :p
[04:32] <sm1773r> lol prob , uk suckers
[04:32] <sm1773r> lol that 2
[04:33] <HazRPG> now I've got "those were the days my son, I thought they'd never end..." in my head
[04:33] <sm1773r> think hamitron has fell asleep
[04:33] <HazRPG> probs
[04:33] <sm1773r> lol growing up i hated ppl saying those were the days and now i say it to everyone
[04:34] <HazRPG> same
[04:34] <HazRPG> heh
[04:34] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNVit7cesj8 <== you have to watch if you haven't heard it before
[04:34] <HazRPG> classic
[04:34] <HazRPG> dad use to play it in the car all the time when I was growing up
[04:35] <sm1773r> lol growing up all i heard was status quo and queen in the car
[04:35] <HazRPG> dude, how old are you?
[04:35] <HazRPG> lol
[04:36] <sm1773r> lol going by that im guessing not as old as u may have thought
[04:36] <HazRPG> lol no I'm thinking younger than I thought actually ^^
[04:36] <sm1773r> see u , this song is stuck in my head now
[04:37] <HazRPG> cos I heard nothing but 50's-60's music when I was growing up
[04:37] <HazRPG> status quo and queen were like 70's or so
[04:37] <sm1773r> late 70`s early 80`s
[04:38] <HazRPG> what queen/status quo?
[04:38] <sm1773r> yea
[04:38] <HazRPG> haha, yeah, see I had it stuck in my head cos you mentioned it... thought I'd spread the joy xD
[04:39] <sm1773r> lol well im going to send it to everyone in my email
[04:39] <HazRPG> haha go for it xD
[04:40] <sm1773r> tempted to load the wifes netbook and have youtube load when it turns on lol
[04:41] <HazRPG> consider yourself lucky that you've got that song stuck in your head, at least you can't get stuff like this stuck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaHbEW0wisg#t1m05s
[04:41] <HazRPG> winner!
[04:41] <sm1773r> i want to click but im not sure any more ll
[04:41] <hamitron> asleep? ;/
[04:41] <sm1773r> lol shhh hes back
[04:42] <HazRPG> its in arabic, so I guarantee you won't get it stuck in your head xD
[04:42] <HazRPG> gowon, click it xD
[04:42] <HazRPG> click it hard xD
[04:43] <sm1773r> man it is making me feel sleepy
[04:43] <HazRPG> I've already skipped the boring no-music movie starting part of it with the timestamp for you
[04:44] <HazRPG> ah crap I put the timestamp in wrong >_<
[04:44] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaHbEW0wisg#t=1m05s ?
[04:44] <sm1773r> lol 1:40 and he starts singing
[04:44] <HazRPG> ikr!
[04:44] <HazRPG> all arabic music is soppy
[04:45] <sm1773r> lol that is 2:30 seconds of my life i will never get back ta
[04:45] <HazRPG> "habibi ya nour el ain" literally translates as "my love, you're the love of my eye"
[04:45] <sm1773r> lol
[04:46] <sm1773r> so the other eye isnt to sure
[04:47] <HazRPG> well word for word it is 'my love light of the eye' which wouldn't make sense in english
[04:47] <sm1773r> lol
[04:47] <sm1773r> there is some weird songs on youtube that crack me up
[04:47] <HazRPG> indeed
[04:48] <sm1773r> guess u have heard the yogi bear song
[04:49] <HazRPG> ah crap, I knew there was a reason I don't youtube arabic songs my mum use to listen to when I was growing up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KqPVB5SPC0#t=0m43s
[04:49] <HazRPG> sm1773r: wips and chains one?
[04:49] <sm1773r> lol yea
[04:49] <HazRPG> heard it in a rock club years ago well before youtube
[04:50] <sm1773r> what the heck am i listening to here lol
[04:50] <HazRPG> arabic music of the late 80's early 90's xD
[04:50] <sm1773r> please stop lol
[04:50] <HazRPG> sadly they don't have rock there T_T
[04:50] <HazRPG> or at least they don't have it on the radio EVER
[04:51] <sm1773r> lol i wouldnt be able to cope
[04:51] <HazRPG> there is rock, it just never gets into the whole buyable CD market
[04:52] <sm1773r> so they keep that market for the weird stuff
[04:52] <HazRPG> I mean my cousin is in a band, but they only ever play in garages or really really small cafes
[04:52] <HazRPG> heh yeah pretty much
[04:53] <sm1773r> brb need to empty ashtrey
[04:54] <HazRPG> go for it
[04:54] <HazRPG> personally I leave a plastic bag around for such events so that I don't need to get up xD
[04:55] <sm1773r> bk
[04:55] <sm1773r> lol i normally dont need to move but the wifes sleeping
[04:55] <HazRPG> haha no way, they've started doing geeky films in arabic xD
[04:55] <HazRPG> they're slowly getting there, I have to watch this xD
[04:55] <sm1773r> dont dare post a link
[04:56] <HazRPG> you wouldn't understand it anyways xD
[04:56] <HazRPG> I barely understand arabic, so you'd have mega trouble
[04:56] <sm1773r> i didnt understand the last 2
[04:56] <HazRPG> wait, so you click links when presented to you?
[04:56] <sm1773r> unfort yea
[04:56] <HazRPG> cos I do that, the urge is just too tempting
[04:57] <HazRPG> you a fan of CC based music?
[04:57] <HazRPG> http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/180000 <== hit that, awesome song (in english don't worry xD)
[04:57] <sm1773r> if im sitting on here but not chatting and links go up i still click
[04:58] <HazRPG> same... its like an addiction
[04:59] <sm1773r> like that :D
[04:59] <sm1773r> soynds like another band ive heard of and now i cant mnd
[05:00] <sm1773r> my spelling is right out the window tonight lol
[05:00] <HazRPG> lol
[05:00] <HazRPG> erm... they sound like Sonic Boom Six to me
[05:01] <sm1773r> the fast trumpets at the start sounds like something ive heard which is annoying me now lol
[05:02] <hamitron> nn guys ;/
[05:02] <sm1773r> nn bud
[05:02] <HazRPG> nn dude
[05:02] <HazRPG> ah poo
[05:02] <sm1773r> lol
[05:03] <sm1773r> so what bands u into anyways
[05:04] <HazRPG> all sorts
[05:04] <HazRPG> ska, rock, metal mainly
[05:04] <sm1773r> u go to download so im guessing slipknot ect
[05:04] <HazRPG> System of a Down, AC/DC, etc
[05:04] <HazRPG> yeah those too
[05:05] <sm1773r> yay my bands
[05:05] <sm1773r> slipknot , best live band i have ever seen
[05:05] <HazRPG> yeah I know!
[05:05] <HazRPG> so glad I seen them a few times before the bassist died
[05:06] <sm1773r> wasnt sure how they would be after everyone started doing there own projects but the new stuff they done lived up to expectations
[05:07] <HazRPG> I know what you mean
[05:08] <sm1773r> with corey going with stone sour and joey with murderdolls i was like ........... BRING BACK SLIPKNOT
[05:09] <HazRPG> they are coming back :P
[05:09] <HazRPG> (or are back)
[05:09] <sm1773r> dont get me wrong i like alot of stone sour stuff and the odd murderdoll song but cant top slipknot
[05:09] <HazRPG> much like SOAD
[05:09] <HazRPG> so can't wait to see them this year ;D
[05:09] <sm1773r> but will it be the same
[05:09] <HazRPG> nah, it never will, I agree
[05:10] <HazRPG> rofl! man I love arabic comedy when I can understand it xD
[05:10] <HazRPG> so far haven't understood much
[05:11] <HazRPG> but this bit has got me in stitches!
[05:11] <sm1773r> i can finally talk bout bands and i mean real bands , the wife likes " the wanted " ect
[05:11] <sm1773r> lol
[05:12] <HazRPG> him and his wife have got to a doctor to seek advice about why the can procreate, and the doc said "well if you were with another girl, you'd get a kid, and if she was with another guy, she'd get a kid... but when both of you try, you won't get nothing"
[05:12] <sm1773r> lol
[05:13] <sm1773r> if i was the doc i would be like " sit outside give me 10 mins with ur wife i will see what i can do "
[05:13] <HazRPG> so he turns to his wife and says "you know what, I think this doc actually raised a teddy bear"
[05:15] <sm1773r> u ever play bfbc 2
[05:15] <HazRPG> haha yeah same xD
[05:16] <HazRPG> aww they look sad now (sat by the river), and she goes teary eye'd saying "I really want kids" and he goes "well personally I want an air conditioner........ but yeah I want kids too..."
[05:16] <HazRPG> bfbc 2?
[05:16] <sm1773r> lol air conditioner
[05:16] <sm1773r> battlefield bad company 2
[05:17] <HazRPG> ah, no still haven't even played res5 or fallout 3 yet, still have those games sealed since release for my ps3
[05:17] <sm1773r> lol
[05:17] <sm1773r> watch this brilliant song for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pWNCPYwVUA
[05:19] <HazRPG> xD
[05:20] <sm1773r> lol love the fact they have taken a song like africa n totally changed the words
[05:21] <sm1773r> btw fallout 3 is a 200+ hour game lol
[05:21] <HazRPG> ah fuck xD
[05:22] <sm1773r> lol
[05:22] <HazRPG> still playing borderlands as it stands
[05:22] <IdleOne> Does this channel not follow the !guidelines, specifically the part about language?
[05:22] <sm1773r> then u have new vegas which is out and that to is 200+
[05:22] <HazRPG> nah I have fallout 3
[05:23] <HazRPG> didn't have time to play it at the time
[05:23] <HazRPG> IdleOne: my apologises
[05:23] <HazRPG> I tend to pre-order games, and forget about them
[05:23] <sm1773r> guidelines state mild swearing is ok aslong as you are not being disruptive or negative towards other users
[05:23] <HazRPG> I have like 5 games unopened
[05:24] <sm1773r> lol i open them but dont play
[05:24] <HazRPG> !guildlines
[05:24] <HazRPG> oops
[05:24] <HazRPG> !guidelines
[05:24] <HazRPG> even
[05:25] <sm1773r> # Mild swearing is ok, as long as it isn't excessive or directed at a person.
[05:25] <sm1773r> # Any other bad language will result in a warning, or a kick at the operators discretion.
[05:26] <IdleOne> where did you see that?
[05:26] <maco> sm1773r: i dont think the f-bomb counts as "mild"
[05:26] <rww> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/IRC
[05:26] <sm1773r> ubuntu uk website
[05:26] <rww> perhaps !guidelines-#ubuntu-uk would be a good addition ;)
[05:26] <IdleOne> rww: ah, thanks will take a look
[05:26] <maco> rww: you have access. due eet!
[05:27] <rww> maco: rolling ahead and adding channel-specific factoids for a LoCo for a country I'm no longer in seems like it would be presumptuous ;P
[05:28] <HazRPG> lol
[05:29] <maco> on the "mild swears" topic... do y'all know what "sod" is in the US?
[05:29] <sm1773r> ???
[05:29] <HazRPG> heh, wait so my assumption that everyone here is from the UK is wrong?
[05:29] <IdleOne> indeed :)
[05:29] <HazRPG> although I know ball is in the US but... well he use to live in the UK
[05:29] <maco> HazRPG: yep. rww is formerly UK, and im hopefully-someday-UK
[05:30] <IdleOne> I'm Common wealth
[05:30] <IdleOne> although I have yet to receive my share of the wealth
[05:30] <sm1773r> i love that line , im common wealth
[05:30]  * maco crosses fingers on getting a work visa by end of 2012
[05:31] <HazRPG> common wealth, is that not the US?
[05:31] <IdleOne> maco: just in time for Armageddon
[05:31] <maco> HazRPG: the US does not have a queen, so no
[05:31] <sm1773r> no , common wealth is countries that used to be dictated by the uk i think
[05:31] <maco> commonwealth is anywhere that betty windsor is head of state
[05:31] <rww> lies, I've seen plenty
[05:31] <IdleOne> lol
[05:32] <maco> rww: the drag kind dont count!
[05:32] <HazRPG> ah wait, so UK, zambia, india, kenya, australia, etc are all common wealth then?
[05:33] <sm1773r> yea
[05:33] <IdleOne> I am not looking forward to money with pictures of Charles
[05:33] <maco> yep
[05:33] <IdleOne> and Canada
[05:33] <HazRPG> (those are just ones I can think of off the top of my head ^^)
[05:33] <maco> IdleOne: i think you were part of "etc"
[05:33] <IdleOne> I like typing Canada k
[05:33] <IdleOne> :P
[05:33] <rww> mandatory pretty wikipedia map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Commonwealth_of_Nations.svg
[05:33] <HazRPG> wait, Canada is on it?
[05:33] <HazRPG> how?
[05:34] <IdleOne> Do you know nothing about your history?
[05:34] <maco> IdleOne: i found a canadian flag while cleaning up my room this weekend. i went downstairs and sung "oh canada our home and native land some other words go here..."
[05:34] <HazRPG> ( I knew my history was crap, but I didn't realise it was that bad )
[05:34] <HazRPG> lol
[05:34] <rww> IdleOne: psh, Canada is just a colony!
[05:34] <IdleOne> Please dude
[05:35] <rww> I only know USA history because they had the audacity to rebel :(
[05:35] <maco> rww: during the last US election, in another channel im in full of brits someone asked "so anything new in the world?" and got the answer "i think one of the colonies just had an election"
[05:35] <IdleOne> hehe
[05:36] <HazRPG> IdleOne: you say that, but you don't even know my history... I was born in England, but I went to school for about 6 years in Saudi, and in the gulf war I lived in Egypt... do you really think I'm going to remember history when I never learned the whole of any one of those?
[05:36] <IdleOne> HazRPG: I was presumptuous, my apologies.
[05:36] <maco> HazRPG: in short, any country where there are people whose native language is english was at some point ruled from a tiny little island off the coast of europe
[05:37] <HazRPG> so I know bits of Egyptian, Saudi and UK history... just not the full history of any of those xD
[05:37] <maco> that includes some islands in the caribbean, such as jamaica, which is also commonwealth
[05:37] <HazRPG> maco: heh I know that, great british empire :P
[05:37] <IdleOne> Basically what we are saying is that the UK ROCKS!
[05:38] <sm1773r> i wouldnt go that far lol
[05:38] <IdleOne> God save the queen and all that jazz
[05:38] <HazRPG> they had a list of all the places we ruled in the (non-existent) pub in Saudi called "The Empire", it was a great non-pub
[05:38] <maco> IdleOne: you know what i said to Riddell on 4 July, right?
[05:38] <IdleOne> don't want MI5 knocking on my door
[05:38] <IdleOne> maco: I don't
[05:38] <rww> People ask me every year if England celebrates July 4 :\
[05:38] <maco> IdleOne: "today is the day we americans celebrate being free of english rule, unlike you scots"
[05:39] <IdleOne> ohhhhhhhhh
[05:39] <IdleOne> that is not nice
[05:39] <IdleOne> hahah
[05:39] <HazRPG> (cos pubs don't exist in saudi... nooooo)
[05:39] <rww> I got bored of telling the truth, so I now go with, "Yes, we celebrate getting rid of America :<"
[05:39] <HazRPG> ooo, ouch, that's kinda crossing a lil line there :P
[05:39] <maco> hahhaa
[05:39] <HazRPG> (I'm part scottish)
[05:40] <sm1773r> I AM SCOTTISH
[05:40] <HazRPG> *wags finger*
[05:40] <HazRPG> heh, yeah I guessed that
[05:40] <rww> sm1773r: so are you speaking English right now, or Scottish? </tate>
[05:41] <HazRPG> I'm a cadburies all-sorts xD
[05:41] <IdleOne> See Canada gained independence the smart way, we just asked and the King said, sure why not.
[05:41] <sm1773r> not speaking i am actually typing
[05:42] <maco> where i fail on british history is succession... i didnt realise there was anyone in between victoria and liz2 til i was reading about the jacobite succession and went and read the official one as well
[05:42] <sm1773r> i just fail on history full stop
[05:43] <HazRPG> right, I'm going back to my arabic film... its hard trying to sit and translate in my head and read english at the same time xD
[05:43] <maco> ok really, im probably only good for the norman period...
[05:43] <HazRPG> I fail at anything that doesn't have a power socket
[05:45] <HazRPG> the only lesson in histroy I remember was learning the black plague
[05:45] <HazRPG> history*
[05:46] <sm1773r> so during history u forgot to learn how to spell it as well lol
[05:46] <HazRPG> I hated history, I was too busy thinking about ideas about the future
[05:46] <maco> here's a fun one: in 1066 edward the confessor died and hadnt named an heir. an englishman, a ...norwegian i think..., and a norman all claimed it. english guy fought the northerner then hurried south all tired out to try to fend off the norman. got an arrow through his eye as a prize
[05:46] <HazRPG> I knew touch screens would be a reality one day :P
[05:47] <rww> maco: this story ends in us being pwnt by the French, and is thus not fun :(
[05:47] <HazRPG> I know bits n pieces, one king chopped off his wives heads cos of not being able to procreate a boy or something
[05:47] <sm1773r> lol
[05:47] <HazRPG> thatcher managed to get stuff build quick for the war
[05:48] <maco> HazRPG: i just watched The Other Boleyn a couple nights ago
[05:48] <HazRPG> (not her personally, but to organise people to do so)
[05:48] <maco> rww: it does mean england has been ruled by a french line of succession for nearly 1000 years now though ;-)
[05:48] <HazRPG> I know that saudi has only around for 100 years or so as a proper country (i.e. not tribes anymore)
[05:49] <maco> rww: i was interviewing for a job and an interviewer was from liverpool. he was introducing me to folks and one guy was french. english guy said he didnt like him. i said "of course not, you're english and he's french, old enemies"
[05:49] <HazRPG> Pharaohs looked cool, but my arabic wasn't great when I was a kid... so I barely understood a few of my history lessons :/
[05:50] <HazRPG> hated how our arabian history lesson had to be taught in arabic
[05:50] <HazRPG> worse thing was I went to saudi when I was 10, so when I went to my first ever arabic lesson they couldn't understand why I couldn't read a single word of arabic, but could talk it pretty reasonably
[05:51] <HazRPG> mixed parents n all
[05:51] <HazRPG> both only ever spoke english to me, I only picked up arabic during the gulf war when I was stuck in egypt while my parents worked in saudi
[05:51] <maco> im about like that on russian
[05:52] <HazRPG> tell ya what, I don't care what anyone tells you... travelling a lot does get boring after a while, and really crappy too
[05:52] <maco> i mean, i cant converse in it...years out of practice (last russian speaker in the family died a few years back), but i have an accent to fool a native... reading it is like being 6 years old again though
[05:52] <HazRPG> heh, I'm like that with arabic
[05:53] <HazRPG> although still fluent in it, cos I still visit my mum who's now retired in egypt
[05:53] <maco> i never got fluent. my family just mixed a few russian words into their english speech, and then i studied it on my own for a while
[05:53] <HazRPG> speak a normal conversation with me, and I'm fine... start to use words found in news papers or school books (i.e. biology or anything like that) - then I start going "wth?"
[05:54] <maco> but instead of first hearing some of those sounds-that-dont-exist-in-english in uni, ive heard them my whole life
[05:54] <HazRPG> yeah, its great when you get those sounds down while your younger
[05:54] <maco> an arabic-speaking friend tried to get me to make the sounds-that-dont-exist-in-english-but-do-in-arabic once...that was comical
[05:55] <HazRPG> I tried to learn Japanese by myself... and it is hard!
[05:55] <Myrtti> maco: normans were vikings themselves, i think spreading the genes is a lot healthier than sitting alone in a cave like Finns have until ~100 years ago
[05:55] <maco> Myrtti: yeah i guess really it was norwegians and french norwegians from both sides
[05:56] <rww> so really, in that battle it was norway or the highway
[05:56] <maco> HazRPG: i did japanese in secondary school and a bit in uni... forgot so much...ughh :(
[05:56] <HazRPG> lol I'm going to shush now, don't want to bore anyone anymore of my life story xD
[05:56] <maco> did send mako a holiday card with the new years greeting in japanese though :P akimashite omeditou gozaimasu
[05:57] <HazRPG> ooo I know a few words... neku-tie!
[05:57] <HazRPG> be-ru!
[05:57] <maco> that be biru :P
[05:57] <HazRPG> yeah but you know what I mean ^^
[05:58] <maco> ネックタイ、ビル
[05:58] <HazRPG> I can pronounce it right, just don't know the english spellings of the way they are pronounced
[06:00] <HazRPG> rajio!
[06:00] <HazRPG> aisu kuremu
[06:01] <HazRPG> I can't read japanese dude >_<
[06:06] <HazRPG> just like if I type: ماما
[06:07] <HazRPG> it wouldn't mean anything to you ^^
[06:08] <HazRPG> which is "mama" or mum, mom, etc
[06:09] <sm1773r> off to bed , shattered
[06:09] <HazRPG> alright dude, night
[06:09] <sm1773r> catch u later bud
[06:09] <HazRPG> have a good one
[06:10] <maco> HazRPG: what i typed was the same as the first two things you typed ;-)
[06:10] <HazRPG> ah cool :P
[06:42] <AlanBell> morning
[06:43] <HazRPG> morning
[07:07] <nigelb> Morning AlanBell
[07:21] <screen-x> good morning :)
[07:26] <AlanBell> any exciting things going on today?
[07:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Fruity things AlanBell
[07:31] <AlanBell> ah yes
[07:31] <AlanBell> the emails are looking suitably fruity
[07:55] <screen-x> what happens when you kill 'mv' ?
[08:06] <shauno> screen-x: I think it should be pretty predictable if you're moving within the same physical filesystem (so mv is just creating new hardlinks, not actually moving data)
[08:07] <screen-x> shauno: heh, I did mv foo ../ forgetting that I was on a mountpoint, and the parent fs didn't have enough space, so I had to kill the mv.
[08:07] <screen-x> shauno: If I had remembered that they were different FSs, I would have used cp :(
[08:07] <screen-x> however it looks like the source data is intact, but can't be sure :(
[08:08] <shauno> I would hope / presume it wouldn't do anything to the source until the destination is complete.  but not sure I'd have the guts to try myself
[08:18] <shauno> looks like it tries rename, then does cp && rm if rename fails.  nothing's unlinked until the copy succeeded, so you should be good
[08:33] <screen-x> shauno: \o/
[08:33] <screen-x> thanks for checking :)
[08:34]  * screen-x gives freenode some lemsip
[08:37] <kieko> update requires a reboot
[08:38] <bigcalm> What update does?
[08:38] <bigcalm> Apart from a kernel update
[08:38] <kieko> today's update
[08:38] <kieko> brb
[08:39] <bigcalm> It's a myth. A lot of updates that say need a reboot can be done with a ctr+alt+backspace at most
[08:42] <DJones> Morning all
[08:44] <popey> Morning all!
[08:44]  * bigcalm begrudgingly agrees that it is morning
[08:45] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[08:45]  * Myrtti is in less agony, enjoys the heatpads none the less
[08:45] <Myrtti> mmmm warm
[08:45] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[08:45] <Myrtti> moin
[08:45] <DJones> Myrtti: If your neck/shoulder is still painful & are looking for a heat pad type thing, I came across this http://www.betterware.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?pid=058972&cid=152&language=en-GB
[08:45] <Myrtti> lol betterware
[08:46] <Myrtti> :-D
[08:46] <bigcalm> USB powered, wow
[08:46] <pr0ph3t> where can I find detailed info on different ubuntu kernel flavours?
[08:47] <Myrtti> usb powered heatpad would be a good idea tho... *hmmm*
[08:47] <bigcalm> Her posture is terrible
[08:47] <DJones> bigcalm: Yeah, that was what made look at it, I wonder how long the battery on a laptop would work if I took it & the heat pad to a rugby match
[08:48] <bigcalm> DJones: if you're using a laptop at a rugby match, why bother going?
[08:48] <livingdaylight> heloh
[08:48] <DJones> bigcalm: Heh
[08:49] <HazRPG> bigcalm: Hmm, didn't they take out CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE out a while back?
[08:49] <HazRPG> well not taken it out, but removed the shortcut
[08:49] <HazRPG> unless you put it back in manually
[08:50] <Myrtti> alt-sysrq-k
[08:50] <bigcalm> At a recent ice hockey match there were 2 small girls next to me. Neither of them were interested in the game and so were being annoying and messing around. Their father wasn't bothering to keep them in check, so when I politely told the girls to stop it, he got pissed
[08:51] <bigcalm> HazRPG: has it? I was just thinking back to olden days. I tend to do updates from the CLI
[08:51] <Myrtti> I suppose the reboot might be needed for the dbus to do some magic
[08:51] <Myrtti> or update-rc.d: warning: unattended-upgrades start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (0 6)
[08:51] <popey> !dontzap
[08:52] <Myrtti> bigcalm: depending on timing and location I might take my laptop to an ice hockey game because don't have time to take it home
[08:52] <Myrtti> but then again, such occasion hasn't risen yet
[08:52] <bigcalm> Myrtti: fair enough, but you'd be watching the game rather than tapping away :)
[08:53] <Myrtti> I just can imagine the situation
[08:54] <bigcalm> I wonder if there is a battery device that has 1 usb socket and that's it. So you could power usb devices as if it were connected to a machine, but without having to have a machine with you
[08:54] <bigcalm> Then I could see the usb blanket being used at games as well as at the home
[08:54] <livingdaylight> chrome and FF got updated; don't what else, resulting in need for a restart to complete updates... no one else?
[08:55] <bigcalm> That said, I'm always warm at ice hockey games. Chanting and wot not warms you up ;)
[08:57] <Myrtti> bigcalm: it depends on the device you're charging from the usb battery
[08:57] <bigcalm> Such as?
[08:57] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I've got some usb battery kits and if they work or not depends on if the device charged requires "intelligent" charging
[08:58] <bigcalm> Ah
[08:58] <bigcalm> I see
[08:58] <bigcalm> I doubt the blanket would be one of those
[08:58] <Myrtti> wall plug usb chargers have some sort of chip or something in them that tells the device it's there, I suspect it's to prevent overcharging
[08:58] <Myrtti> for example my phone charges fine from the battery pack, because it must have it's own intelligence to stop overcharging
[08:59] <Myrtti> but my Flipcam doesn't
[09:06] <bigcalm> From The QI Elves (on Twitter) "The commonest form of murder in Britain is of a spouse, by a spouse, in the kitchen, with the bread knife"
[09:07] <bigcalm> Are we an unhappy nation?
[09:07]  * popey hides the knives
[09:07] <popey> also, I haven't given wifey her pressie yet
[09:07] <bigcalm> popey: save it for 14th Feb
[09:08] <popey> oooo
[09:08] <popey> thats a really good idea!
[09:08]  * bigcalm feels evil now
[09:08] <popey> i never get pressies for her on 14/2
[09:08] <popey> this will be epic
[09:08] <popey> might video it
[09:08] <bigcalm> popey: making your own snuff film?
[09:08] <popey> hah
[09:11] <bigcalm> I keep writing 17/11 instead of 17/1 in my reports. How irritating
[09:11] <bigcalm> It's usally the year I mess up in Jan
[09:11] <bigcalm> I guess I should write 19/1 in today's report, that would help ;
[09:12] <bigcalm> ;)
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> Just use a "date" field instead of typing it yourself ;)
[09:12] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: tricky when retrospectively filling them in
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ah yes
[09:13]  * bigcalm is lazy at recording his project hours
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> Guest90965: you should really talk to nickserv, issyl0 :)
[09:24] <daubers> Morning
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:33] <livingdaylight> daubers, morening
[09:34] <livingdaylight> Lots of "1's" this year!
[09:35] <livingdaylight> 11.1.11 ; 1.11.11
[09:36] <livingdaylight> take the last two digits of the year you were born add to the age you will be this year and should = 111
[09:37] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: so the amount of years since I was born, plus how long that was after 1900 will equal the amount of years since 1900? :)
[09:37] <freckle> livingdaylight: only works if you were born last century
[09:38] <BigRedS> 'last century'. Who was it talking about being made to feel old yesterday?
[09:38] <BigRedS> :)
[09:39] <gord> i always remember to use the proper, "last millennium"
[09:39] <bigcalm> Both are correct
[09:39] <freckle> gord: in this instance it is incorrect to say "last millennium" as the year 2000 is not valid
[09:40] <gord> okay nerds i was just making a jokes >:(
[09:40] <BigRedS> isn't 2000 this millenium?
[09:40] <freckle> BigRedS: no it's the previous
[09:41] <BigRedS> I suppose it depends upon whether the first year was deemed '0' or '1'
[09:41] <BigRedS> and most people would go with the latter
[09:41] <BigRedS> but then centuries should have the same, surely?
[09:41] <freckle> there was no year 0
[09:41] <freckle> it went from 1 BC to 1 AD
[09:42] <gord> nerds ruin everything :(
[09:42] <BigRedS> so the year 2000's part of the 20th century, then? Since the year 100 was part of the 0th century
[09:42] <freckle> BigRedS: correctomundo
[09:42] <BigRedS> yay. I get to be even more annoyingly pedantic :)
[09:42] <BigRedS> "nah, a guy on IRC told me it was so"
[09:43] <freckle> my twitter bio just says "introveted nerd" I am going to change it to "intorvert, pedant, nerd".
[09:43] <BigRedS> Actually, no, I'm going to do a grub and decide that, for me, the year 1 is '0' and everyone else's numbering system be dammned.
[09:44] <BigRedS> freckle: I think I've got me down as a cynical, argumentative, sarcastic, condescending pedant somewhere
[09:46] <freckle> BigRedS: I want to it so say "I am a huge c**t" but I think the twitter police might get me
[09:47] <BigRedS> haha
[09:47]  * AlanBell wonders why freckle is a carrot
[09:47] <freckle> becuase I am ginger?
[09:49]  * BigRedS wonders about AlanBell's spelling
[09:49] <dwatkins> I don't think twitter actually cares about bad language, scarily.
[09:49] <dwatkins> ...and good morning all
[09:49] <BigRedS> scarily?
[09:50] <BigRedS> perhaps here isn't the place for that discussion/argument :)
[09:50] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[09:50] <gord> i have never wanted a chip shop sausage, chips and chippy peas more in my life
[09:50] <awilkins> I moderate my own language on Twitter just because I'm speaking in public where little kiddies may be 24/7
[09:50] <Myrtti> just like here
[09:50] <awilkins> Battered sausage
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Ah, so you tweet "FREE CANDY FROM THE BACK OF MY VAN"? :P
[09:50] <directhex> i don't moderate for the same reason
[09:51] <gord> i moderate my language because its polite and professional
[09:52] <Myrtti> heatpad ♥
[09:56] <bigcalm> Myrtti: you need a kitten to fall asleep on your shoulder
[09:58] <awilkins> Or a large adhesive dressing to secure one to the small of your back
[09:58] <BigRedS> kittens never fall asleep, they just scheme mischief :)
[09:58] <awilkins> Flesh coloured one for maximum "alien about to break through" effect.
[10:02] <bigcalm> I wanna kitty
[10:06] <awilkins> I do prefer cats to dogs. The whole self-serving evil-minded hedonist thing is much more appealing than the whole drooling subservient pack animal vibe you get from dogs.
[10:09] <popey> i love other peoples dogs
[10:09] <popey> "Awwww, isn't he lovely! Come here boy! Yeah! Good dog! Right, now get lost, I'm going home".
[10:09] <BigRedS> I've never managed to get along with any dog.
[10:09] <bigcalm> I like some dogs, but I would want one curled up on my lap
[10:09] <popey> whereas with cats I just want to abduct everyone elses cat.
[10:10] <popey> my brothers dogs like to curl up next to you, but in that way where they're kinda 'in your space'
[10:10] <popey> or rather, you're in theirs
[10:10] <bigcalm> Dogs have owners, cats have servents
[10:11] <BigRedS> Yeah, you don't have a pet cat, you just have a cat that shares your house
[10:12] <gord> in exchange, they purr and meow. good trade.
[10:12] <bigcalm> A good purr cures all
[10:12] <awilkins> I prefer to think of it as co-dependent. You want their snuggles. They want an opposable thumb that owns a can opener.
[10:13] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMCRD35ch4 # <3 <3 <3
[10:14] <JamesTait> awilkins: :D
[10:17] <danfish> the problem with cats - they make rubbish guard 'cats'
[10:18] <awilkins> Unless you wish to be guarded against small rodents and avians.
[10:19] <shauno> (and bathtubs)
[10:19] <danfish> quite true
[10:19] <popey> yeah, some neighbours cats come in and eat our cats food
[10:19]  * danfish is seriously thinking of getting a pouch to scare away the local foxes
[10:19] <popey> ours just sit and watch
[10:20] <BigRedS> my mum's got a cat that'll jump in a running bath, faff for a while, and generally get hair all over it, then wander off
[10:20] <bigcalm> I think my parents cat goes looking for trouble
[10:20] <BigRedS> took a while to work out what was going on, used to get to the bath, fidn cat hairs in it and wonder where the hell they'd come from
[10:23] <BigRedS> :)
[10:24] <danfish> at this rate we'll have to change the ubuntu-uk logo to have a cat asleep on top of the -uk bit ;)
[10:25]  * dutchie prefers dogs
[10:26] <danfish> dutchie: +1
[10:26] <dutchie> although i have a cat as well
[10:30] <czajkowski> NO CATS!
[10:31] <gord> MORE CATS!
[10:31] <czajkowski> NEIN!
[10:31] <gord> NINE!
[10:31] <bigcalm> 10!
[10:31] <bigcalm> I'd be happy with 2
[10:31] <czajkowski> gord: that's it you're cut off my my tea supply!
[10:31] <BigRedS> zsh: command not found: dog
[10:32] <BigRedS> therefore, moar cats
[10:32] <gord> czajkowski, someone else brought me tea last week anyway, nah! :P
[10:33] <czajkowski> :p
[10:33] <czajkowski> see yer learning
[10:33] <czajkowski> go to usa for a week bring TEA! now if we could just resolve the boilng water!
[10:33] <AlanBell> too dangerous
[10:34] <AlanBell> guns, no problem. boiling water= safety hazard
[10:35] <Myrtti> what command was it that I could use to check in which directory I'm in?
[10:35] <dutchie> pwd
[10:35] <Myrtti> thx
[10:37] <Myrtti> bwahaha. rtmpdump ♥
[10:39] <gord> i went shooting at that same place again whilst i was there, was fun
[10:39] <czajkowski> gord: aye Mrvell poked me to get the names of it
[10:39] <czajkowski> Launchpad are still there this week
[10:39] <popey> http://www.sebastianbap.com/#280110/Scratch-me
[10:40] <popey> Warning: includes cats
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: disturbing
[10:40] <czajkowski> not_clicking
[10:40] <popey> its very good
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's the stuff of nightmares
[10:40] <popey> hah
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> also.. cat people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasma_gondii
[10:42] <popey> MartijnVdS: http://www.sebastianbap.com/#280140/Buildings-Vampires is more the stuff of nightmares
[10:46] <bigcalm> That's so sad
[10:47] <bigcalm> Scratch me was ace though :)
[10:52] <gord> have i mentioned that i like my new netbook in the last few hours? because i still do
[10:52] <gord> just y'know, fyi
[10:53] <terran> fyi imo btw ftw
[10:54] <dogmatic69> obviously not running ubuntu netbook
[10:54] <gord> i am
[10:54] <dogmatic69> o.o
[10:54] <dogmatic69> and its not been chucked out the window?
[10:54] <AlanBell> gord: got unity working on it yet?
[10:55] <gord> AlanBell, 3d one won't be for quite a while, but the 2d interface should be up and running in a few weeks once a natty image is out (waiting on a metacity fix)
[10:55] <AlanBell> 3d ftw
[10:57] <screen-x> gord: how much battery life are you getting?
[10:58] <X3N> Anyone know what happened to the android-notifier-desktop project? as featured http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/android-notifications-on-ubuntu/
[10:58] <hoover> mornin all
[10:58] <gord> screen-x, not very much, but thats mostly down to ubuntu not having access to most of the power saving features (like being able to turn off/darken the backlight...)
[10:59] <gord> X3N, it still exists
[10:59] <gord> do a quick google and you'll get it ;)
[10:59] <X3N> I can't actually get on the project site, I get a 403
[11:00] <X3N> http://code.google.com/p/android-notifier-desktop/ = Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/android-notifier-desktop/ from this server.
[11:00] <popey> gord / AlanBell whats the status of natty on a desktop pc with two screens on nvidia/twinview? working?
[11:00] <gord> X3N, http://code.google.com/p/android-notifier/downloads/list
[11:00] <gord> their main page is screwy for some reason
[11:01] <gord> popey, using it right now
[11:01] <gord> the panel goes across both screens at the moment, which sucks buuuut we are gonna fix that to stay on the primary desktop i think
[11:01] <popey> hmm
[11:01] <popey> might upgrade
[11:03] <gord> popey, the earlier you upgrade and start bugging me about issues, the earlier we can get them fixed so i don't have to listen to them for the next six months ;)
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:04] <popey> haha
[11:04]  * popey tickles davmor2 
[11:05] <AlanBell> popey: I have only tried it with virtualbox
[11:05] <AlanBell> which now does multi-monitors
[11:05]  * gord is still surprised it works in vb
[11:05]  * davmor2 would laugh at popey's attempt to tickle but figure that might make popey think I was ticklish 
[11:08] <gord> we hit A2 end of next week, might be a good time for anyone that has been thinking about upgrading to upgrade
[11:08] <HazRPG> I have it working in Vbox too
[11:08] <HazRPG> dual-screens I mean
[11:08] <gord> and even though you can run in vb, would be nice if you 11.04 in real hardware, because otherwise we have no idea how well your drivers perform with it
[11:09] <HazRPG> hang on I'm confused now
[11:09] <popey> ok, will upgrade now
[11:09] <HazRPG> I use to use ubuntu 9.04 - 10.10 with dual-screens no problem (real hardware)
[11:10] <HazRPG> also, I hate abbreviating virutalbox to vb because vb to mean is visual basic and is horrid :/
[11:11] <gord> HazRPG, 11.04 using very different technologies as i'm sure you are aware, which means we need lots of bug testers on real hardware
[11:12] <daubers> gord: Oooooh... a2. i've been waiting for the last GTK changed packages to come in to avoid a partial upgrade
[11:12] <HazRPG> gord: yeah
[11:13] <HazRPG> hmm, I use to test alpha's and beta's of previous ubuntu's... would I need to do anything specific for bug testing exactly?
[11:13] <HazRPG> cos previously I use to just send the bug when it asked if I wanted to
[11:14] <gord> just use it :) if anything doesn't work right, file a bug
[11:14] <ali1234> gord, re dual screen. how is it going to work if i run something fullscreen on the primary display? i won't be able to access the panel at all without closing the fullscreen application? i would prefer an exact duplicate of the panel on all displays
[11:14] <HazRPG> ali1234: that's not an ubuntu-based problem, think that's mainly a driver thing
[11:15] <HazRPG> I might be wrong though
[11:15] <ali1234> it's not an ubuntu based problem today... it will be as soon as 12.04 comes out...
[11:15] <HazRPG> you could always just make a new panel for the other screen
[11:15] <ali1234> i mean 11.04
[11:15] <ali1234> not in unity you can't (not at the moment anyway)
[11:15] <gord> how its gonna work isn't finalised yet, depends on how much time we have really
[11:16] <gord> duplicate panels are a lot more work
[11:16] <HazRPG> ali1234: ah, I should really use 11.04 then huh ^^
[11:16] <ali1234> no duplicate panels = deal breaker for me
[11:16]  * DJones debates what to install on a acer aspire 1510 (assuming the donated machine works)
[11:16] <gord> ali1234, patches welcome
[11:17] <ali1234> i like to run different fullscreen apps on both monitors (not at the same time) and i need to be able to access the menu also, without leaving fullscreen
[11:18] <gord> honestly, just don't run in real fullscreen anymore
[11:18] <gord> you maximize, the window decorations go, the menu is in the panel, its quite nice
[11:18] <ali1234> yeah? you don't watch movies fullscreen?
[11:18] <ali1234> you don't play games fullscreen?
[11:19] <dwatkins> I like my terminal fullscreen sometimes, nothing but text.
[11:19] <AlanBell> maximise is the new fullscreen
[11:19] <gord> i don't play games on linux and when i play video i tend to play it on my secondary monitor
[11:19] <gord> the primary monitor is for what i'm doing right now
[11:19] <ali1234> right
[11:20] <ali1234> full screen on second monitor
[11:20] <ali1234> when i play games i play them full screen on the first monitor
[11:20] <ali1234> i need to be able to switch virtual desktop/use the other monitor at all times
[11:20] <ali1234> the easiest way to do that is to have a duplicate of everything on both panels
[11:20] <HazRPG> I agree with ali1234 on this one
[11:21] <gord> like i said, its a time thing
[11:21] <gord> patches welcome
[11:21] <dwatkins> ali1234: like screen -x for X-windows?
[11:21] <HazRPG> if I knew how code some of the stuff in the ubuntu source... I would
[11:21] <ali1234> sorry gord, you can waste your time reinventing the wheel if you want, i'm going to stick with gnome until you have feature parity :D
[11:21] <HazRPG> but as it stands, my coding skills aren't that pro just yet
[11:22] <gord> iirc in twinview gnome panel just stays on one screen doesn't it?
[11:22] <ali1234> dwatkins: huuuuuuh?
[11:22] <HazRPG> guess that's the best thing about any linux distro, you don't like something just remove and install what you want ^^
[11:22] <dwatkins> ali1234: arbitrary switching of desktops for each of two monitors, like sharing terminal sessions with GNU Screen
[11:22] <ali1234> dwatkins: no thats not what i want
[11:23] <ali1234> and not even possible
[11:23] <dwatkins> ah ok
[11:23] <ali1234> actually it would be nice
[11:23] <dwatkins> 11:20 < ali1234> the easiest way to do that is to have a duplicate of everything on both panels
[11:23] <ali1234> yeah
[11:23] <dwatkins> I thought that was what you meant by this line, ali1234.
[11:23] <HazRPG> personally im not sure if im going to like unity :/
[11:23] <ali1234> so i have a desktop pager on both screens, but they both change both screens
[11:24] <AlanBell> gord: so the unity panel should go on the left of your left-most screen or something?
[11:25] <gord> AlanBell, no, you can set a monitor to be a "primary" monitor, it'll sit on that panel. unless there is more time to implement a panel per monitor or ali1234 contributes a patch
[11:26] <AlanBell> how are the keybindings and at-spi integration for orca coming along?
[11:28] <gord> slower than we would like =\ we only have one guy for accessibility (its hard to find people to do it... ) and at sucks
[11:30] <AlanBell> oh noes
[11:30] <AlanBell> anything testable for A2?
[11:30]  * AlanBell could ask themuso, but he is busy busy busy
[11:31] <gord> your best off asking him
[11:31] <AlanBell> ok
[11:32] <AlanBell> I think Pendulum will be getting an update soon anyhow
[11:33] <HazRPG> now I just have blood sugar stuck in my head >_<
[11:33] <HazRPG> even though I know that's not what your talking about
[11:33] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[11:33] <HazRPG> sup
[11:34] <pr0ph3t> I'm running and rsync command, but would like to --exclude two directories
[11:34] <pr0ph3t> so rsync --exclude='/*/.gvfs' and Video
[11:35] <pr0ph3t> what would be the right syntax to exclude two paths instead of just one?
[11:35] <Myrtti> I'd make an exclude file
[11:36] <BigRedS> pr0ph3t: --exclude'/*/.gvfs' --exclude 'Video'
[11:36] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[11:36] <pr0ph3t> I was going to rename the folder to .gvfs2 and use ?
[11:36] <ali1234> gord: twinview does not affect panels: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/panels1.jpg
[11:36] <pr0ph3t> but that makes more sense
[11:37] <ali1234> and the use case - playing some "spreadsheets in space": http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/panels2.jpg
[11:38] <popey> http://twitpic.com/3rew43
[11:38] <popey> what the jeebuz
[11:38] <popey> why on earth is the upgrade asking me this?
[11:39] <X3N> have you selected multiple languages?
[11:39] <Daviey> popey, yeah.. and see what happens if you are on a tty and try to use caps lock using the, what most would assume to be, default.
[11:39] <Daviey> "Caps Lock"
[11:39] <Daviey> switch between Afgan and USA keyboard layout.
[11:39] <pr0ph3t> popey, you can select no toggle
[11:39] <pr0ph3t> that's what I've done
[11:39] <popey> i know I can, but the question is why is it asking me?
[11:39] <pr0ph3t> it asks you twice at least
[11:39] <popey> X3N: no
[11:39] <Daviey> which should only happen IMO if you set dpkg to -phigh.
[11:40] <gord> its happening to all maverick updates iirc
[11:40] <Daviey> popey, It's hit everyone last week... nothing you have done.
[11:40] <popey> ok
[11:40] <popey> is there a bug filed?
[11:40] <popey> I mean, it's wrong
[11:40] <gord> all of last week it was re-setting my keyboard configuration to USA at random points
[11:40] <popey> I don't "need a way to toggle the keyboard..."
[11:40] <gord> i think it drove me insane
[11:41] <pr0ph3t> same here
[11:41] <HazRPG> your killing the rainforest!
[11:43] <davmor2> popey: there is a bug for it and it is annoying
[11:43] <X3N> HazRPG: you're killing grammar ;)
[11:43] <davmor2> I wound up removing everything that wasn't uk and USA still came back
[11:43] <daubers> gord: Has that been fixed? i'd be tempted to attempt the partial if it is!
[11:44] <HazRPG> X3N: Didn't you know, I've been killing grammar since 1987 xD
[11:44] <gord> no idea, only affected my laptop and i stop using that once i get home
[11:44] <davmor2> popey: however on an install from a more up-to-date image it has gone
[11:44] <Daviey> popey, i first saw it looking over Scott Moser's shoulder, and he reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/701125
[11:44] <Daviey> which is probably now a dupe.
[11:44] <popey> ta
[11:45] <davmor2> popey: It just doesn't seem to be fixed if it was in place
[11:45] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/keyboard-configuration
[11:46] <popey> usefully no way to file bugs?
[11:46] <popey> ah, its a binary package of console-setup?
[11:47] <Daviey> yeah
[11:47] <Daviey> click the source package thing
[11:47] <Daviey> whilst it logically makes sense to not be able to raise bugs against binary packages, it's certainly not obvious on that LP page how to do it!
[11:47] <Daviey> (/me waits for popey to raise a bug against LP) :P
[11:49] <popey> :)
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: I love the fact that a koala is a nature enemy of the narwhal
[11:54] <popey> :)
[11:55] <nigelb> davmor2: oh, nice
[11:57] <davmor2> (in best southern usa car salesmans voice) yes sirrey this here tree huggin' kowla be'r is one of the most fierce some predators of this freedom loving deep diving sea mammal!
[11:59] <popey> yay, upgrading to natty! I've got a new cpio!
[11:59]  * popey couldn't be more excited
[12:00] <bigcalm> cpio?
[12:00] <popey> !info cpio
[12:00] <popey> It's the most totally awesome archive manager ever!
[12:00] <popey> (lies)
[12:00] <bigcalm> Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[12:01]  * bigcalm does just fine with tar on the CLI :)
[12:01] <popey> i hope minecraft runs okay on natty
[12:01] <popey> Lunchoclock!
[12:01] <bigcalm> Where's the postman? I want my graze box for lunch
[12:04] <HazRPG> heh wow, I've been wondering for ages where I first heard about those
[12:04] <HazRPG> must have been on here
[12:05] <popey> http://graze.com/ use code N77GCF1  to get a free one :D
[12:05]  * popey beats bigcalm to it
[12:05] <bigcalm> Or, better yet, use 11K23D9 and get 2 boxes for free :)
[12:06] <popey> haha
[12:08] <popey> http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/01/19/white-trash-repairs-diy-reality made me chuckle
[12:09] <HazRPG> wait, are those like referral codes or something xD
[12:10] <bigcalm> HazRPG: yes
[12:10] <Myrtti> if I lived in UK permanently, I'd get that
[12:10] <Myrtti> but alas...
[12:11] <bigcalm> Though I don't know if my 2 box code gives me a kick back or not
[12:11] <HazRPG> ?
[12:11] <bigcalm> Myrtti: get dsample to order them ;)
[12:11] <gord> Myrtti, you can start/stop graze nice and easily
[12:12] <Myrtti> bigcalm: he'd scoff them all, and he's not been home too much himself the past six months either :-<
[12:12] <bigcalm> Boo :(
[12:15] <gord> i left future gord two custard creams even though i could of eaten them, i'm so generous
[12:16] <HazRPG> popey: xD
[12:17] <HazRPG> bigcalm: kick back?
[12:22] <bigcalm> HazRPG: by introducing new people to graze, you can earn some money off future boxes
[12:23] <gord> on the topic of cats earlier ;) http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/852852-cat-ordered-to-do-jury-service-in-boston
[12:25] <popey> http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/850819-ipad-game-for-cats-promises-hours-of-confused-kitten-pleasure
[12:28] <davmor2> popey: why don't you use cpio to back up minecraft to be on the safe side :D
[12:28] <Twinkletoes> I have the resolvconf package installed, but after reboot, resolv.conf is empty (ie. only the 2 comment lines from resolv.conf).  If I manually restart networking, then the relevant lines defined in /etc/network/interfaces appear in resolv.conf.  Why doesn't it do this automatically at startup?
[12:29] <gord> y'know when the gnome progress bar doesn't know how much progress it has done so just bounces back and fourth? thats my cats current favourite game
[12:30] <HazRPG> holy cow: http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/01/10/white-trash-repairs-not-a-kludge-bet-you-cant-do-that-twice/
[12:31] <HazRPG> gord: rofl xD
[12:35] <HazRPG> wow, I want one: http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2011/01/09/white-trash-repairs-id-like-to-order-one/
[12:41] <davmor2> .me prods czajkowski 'ow am ya kiddo?
[12:41]  * davmor2 even
[12:51] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:52] <popey> wheeee found two bugs in natty already and I haven't even logged in yet
[12:52] <brobostigon> :)
[12:52] <popey> make that three
[12:52] <brobostigon> hehe
[12:53] <popey> four!
[12:53] <davmor2> popey: I found 6 before I got to login the firstime and they were all dupes
[12:53] <popey> gonna be a busy day today
[12:54] <popey> gord: its telling me "you do not have the hardware requirement to run unity"
[12:54] <popey> this is a lie
[12:54] <gord> popey, whats your gpu/driver?
[12:54] <popey> nvidia
[12:54] <popey> 260.19
[12:55] <popey> it then asks me to change user session
[12:55] <popey> and when i do that it sits there
[12:55] <popey> now I have something that looks like a bastardised version of unity and classic gnome
[12:55] <brobostigon> i should really start trying natty from sd again.
[12:55] <popey> ooh, and my keyboard layout has conveniently switched to usa
[12:55] <popey> thats just _rude_
[12:56]  * X3N wonders how these things get through the net
[12:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/Screenshot.png
[12:56] <popey> ^^ gord
[12:56] <daubers> popey: Mine does the keyboard thing
[12:57] <daubers> popey: Annoyingly that applet will say GB when it boots up first time, but the layout will still be USA
[12:57] <davmor2> popey: wait til you find out that even when you change it it magically changes back again
[12:58] <gord> popey, oh, you have unity there :)
[12:58] <popey> indeed
[12:58] <popey> so gdm lied
[12:58] <popey> or unity lied
[12:58] <popey> where do I file the bug?
[12:58] <Myrtti> someone lied
[12:58] <davmor2> gdm
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: THEY lied.
[12:58] <gord> i asked the guy that did the test thing, seems that there is a timeout of 1second to the test to return which it timed out on
[12:59] <gord> popey, lp:unity if you would be so kind :)
[12:59] <popey> ok
[12:59] <andylockran> hey guys
[12:59] <popey> ubuntu-bug lp:unity   ?
[12:59]  * X3N grumbles and wishes we were going to be using gnome shell
[12:59] <popey> X3N: given the look of gnome3.org I'm glad we dont!
[13:00] <davmor2> popey: no just ubuntu-bug unity
[13:00] <andylockran> anyone offer advice.. changed my screen to a 24" model, and connecting via dvi.. into nvidia gfx card.  Load it up and gdm fails to show on screen - just blank black screen.  Have to switch to alternate tty, stop gdm, and type 'startx' to get display working.
[13:00] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/27702127061106688
[13:00] <andylockran> any ideas?
[13:00] <davmor2> X3N: gnome shell is looking more and more like unity only not as nice
[13:02] <X3N> well I dissagree
[13:03] <X3N> but it was a grumble so I can't be arsed to go into a debate ;)
[13:04] <popey> \o/
[13:04] <popey> supression
[13:04] <popey> bug 704883
[13:04] <gord> i'm not a big fan of the visuals of gnome-shell at all =\
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> gord: "At a..."
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> you mean ;)
[13:05] <gord> they also wern't willing to work with ubuntu developed tech, which means we couldn't have an "ubuntu" desktop which would of sucked, it would of just been shipping gnome
[13:05] <brobostigon> i am definatlyliking the workspace manaegement in gnome-shell.
[13:06] <gord> they have some neat ideas
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> am I the only one still using "classic" gnome then?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> I hate the cruft unity adds on the left side
[13:06] <gord> MartijnVdS, auto-hide is your friend
[13:06] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I use that day to day, but largley because my laptop has some issues in Natty
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> gord: also, I hate global-menu
[13:07] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Also, my work machine won't be upgraded until Natty is final :)
[13:07] <gord> MartijnVdS, sudo apt-get remove appmenu-gtk is your friend
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> gord: oh that works now?
[13:08] <gord> i never used to like global-menu, but honestly i don't see the problem with it anymore, it just hilights the fact that you never actually use your menus
[13:08] <X3N> Ubuntu's relationship with upstream has always been fraught, i'm not surprised there is resistance
[13:08] <gord> if you do, its normally because of some failing of the applications UI
[13:08] <popey> X3N: there is resistence
[13:08] <popey> ?
[13:09] <Myrtti> resistance of what upstream?
[13:09] <popey> well, indeed
[13:09] <X3N> in reply to gord < gord> they also wern't willing...
[13:09] <Myrtti> right
[13:09] <Myrtti> now that makes some sense
[13:10] <gord> why must printer usb cables be so small and so "special" >:(
[13:11] <davmor2> gord: you do but only those 2 times when you can't quite remember the key combination
[13:11] <davmor2> re global menu
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/L4dVZ.jpg
[13:12]  * brobostigon has an emergency appointment with his doctor for 5pm.
[13:14]  * popey farts out bug 704887
[13:18] <gord> really bugs me that i get treated like a suspected crimninal just because i don't wan't to pay a tv licence
[13:18] <daubers> gord: They stop doing that if you explain to them calmly that the letters they send out can be quite misleading and seen as blackmail
[13:19] <daubers> gord: Also, if you ring them up and explain why you don't have one they tend to leave you alone after a while
[13:19] <gord> alas i get people knocking on my door every few months insisting that they must see my tv
[13:19] <gord> so i tell them no and to leave
[13:19] <daubers> gord: Tell them to bugger off. They have no legal right to look
[13:19] <jpds> I had to call them twice for them to get the message.
[13:19] <daubers> gord: I called the police on the TV licence man in halls as he just barged into our flat without even knocking
[13:19] <daubers> they tend to stop coming after that
[13:20] <gord> they also wanted my phone number, good luck getting that
[13:20] <popey> bug 704890
[13:20] <popey> gord: whats up with me having white boxes around everything, I assume this is where drop shadows should be?
[13:20] <gord> popey, around everything? like windows?
[13:21] <popey> like under and above the panels
[13:21] <popey> and input boxes when you get a dropdown offering you options
[13:21] <gord> yeah sounds like shadows, some sort of compiz bug. make sure you don't have the blur plugin enabled, the blur plugin is screwy with drop shadows
[13:22] <popey> i have no additional plugins enabled that I know of
[13:22] <popey> the drop shadow on windows works
[13:22] <popey> its just tooltips and the panel
[13:22] <moreati> popey: cheers that's probably the cause of that square obscuring part of my clock
[13:22] <gord> at the very least you can turn the drop shadows off in one of the plugins
[13:22] <gord> maybe its because tooltips are alpha transparent? not sure
[13:23] <popey> shall i file a bug?
[13:23] <gord> i would, but i'm not sure where compiz bugs get filed
[13:23] <gord> they have a bugzilla i think
[13:23] <gord> but for ubuntu packages? iruno, confused
[13:23] <gord> this is why i'm not on the desktop team ;)
[13:24] <popey> we can't remove icons from the unity bar thing yet?
[13:24] <gord> right click -> keep in launcher - uncheck that
[13:24] <gord> dragging off doesn't work yet iirc
[13:25] <davmor2> popey, moreati: try running the ubiquitous fixit command "unity --reset" and see if everything works properly afterwards
[13:26] <popey> davmor2: nice one, that did it
[13:26] <popey> still dunno why i have gnome panels on my desktop
[13:26]  * popey reboots
[13:27] <davmor2> popey, moreati: because it was there from the upgrade
[13:27] <davmor2> ^ should of just been popey
[13:28] <popey> shouldn't it be removed
[13:28] <moreati> davmor2: no joy I'm afraid. I have gnome panels because I'm running GNOME 2
[13:30] <davmor2> popey: just right click it and remove it
[13:30] <popey> uhm
[13:30] <popey> final wont do that will it?
[13:30] <popey> also, what if i logon to a classic session? will they still be there?
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: pass
[13:31] <popey> also, my window decorations have gone
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: if you install fresh it's not there, only on upgrades
[13:31] <gord> it should of been removed yes
[13:32] <gord> popey, they go on maximise, if they are gone on regular windows, compiz bug
[13:33] <gord> right yeah don't remove them, because yeah you'll lose them in the classic session i think ;)
[13:33] <popey> oooh, i get USA or Afghan keyboard layouts
[13:33] <popey> neat!
[13:34] <gord> just make sure gnome-panel isn't started in your session, gnome-session-properties i think?
[13:35] <popey> do i lose ALT_F2 when I kill the panel?
[13:36] <X3N> yes
[13:36] <popey> this is proper alpha software
[13:36] <popey> and we dont have a menu yet?
[13:37] <davmor2> popey: there was no alt-f2 in une 10.10
[13:37] <popey> I didnt upgrade from UNE 10.10
[13:37] <gord> there will be some alt-f2 replacement in final
[13:38] <gord> not sure what yet
[13:38] <gord> you should have menus in your top panel
[13:38] <popey> i cant see any menus under applets
[13:38] <popey> i have window menus
[13:38] <gord> oh thats an annoying compiz bug
[13:38] <gord> we all have it, its extremely annoying, we are getting the compiz guy we have to fix it asap
[13:39] <popey> its been there a fair while
[13:39] <davmor2> gord: Yay!
[13:39] <popey> so should I jsut install gnome-do then :)
[13:39] <gord> i'v heard people say that do doesn't work well with unity, but do is basically unmaintained these days so thats not supprising
[13:40] <popey> alternatives?
[13:40] <popey> what do you do when you want to start an application?
[13:40] <gord> for a quick hack right now, you can click the ubuntu icon in the top left, it'll open up a folder with your applications
[13:40] <gord> places should land for A2
[13:43] <popey> unity doesnt like the window size changing does it?
[13:44] <gord> really? works fine here o_O
[13:45] <popey> I really dont like the glow effect on apps when you start them
[13:45] <popey> its way too subtle
[13:46] <gord> i'm not a big fan myself, but i think the idea is that things will start up quick enough not to need them. apart from firefox ;)
[13:47] <popey> heh
[13:48] <gord> you can set autohide in ccsm btw, highly recommended by me
[13:52] <popey> its already on
[14:00] <popey> yay!
[14:00] <popey> use nvidia-settings  to switch off second screen, unity crashes
[14:01] <popey> i have no way to restart it because i have no menu, no terminal, no alt+f2
[14:01] <dutchie> ctrl-alt-f1, DISPLAY=:0 unity?
[14:01] <popey> found a terminal!
[14:01] <popey> thats a keepr!
[14:09] <screen-x> Just set up two servers with 4x1gbit bonded connection to the same switch. Iperf gives 940Mbit, which is the same as with a single connection :(
[14:10] <directhex> screen-x, you set up bonding on the switch?
[14:11] <screen-x> directhex: yeah, it's a netgear switch, and calls them link aggregation groups
[14:11] <directhex> IEEE 802.1AX-2008
[14:12] <screen-x> directhex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555790/
[14:12] <screen-x> 802.3ad
[14:14] <directhex> just throw a 10gbe card in there!
[14:15] <davmor2> popey: drop terminal in your app bar run the command you want to run close the terminal :)
[14:15] <davmor2> popey: ^ ref alt-f2
[14:15] <screen-x> directhex: haven't got any of those :(
[14:19] <pr0ph3t> all this moving home folder is worse than doing it for real
[14:36] <bigcalm> popey: today's box http://graze.com/b/ydkp5
[14:36] <bigcalm> Best eva!
[14:38] <directhex> best? where's the burritos?
[14:39]  * DJones wonders if graze-carnivore do a box containing bacon/sausage/black pudding etc
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> DJones: narwhal meat?
[14:40] <DJones> MartijnVdS: If it'll fit on a sandwich/bun, sounds like fair game to me
[14:41] <gord> i miss fruit :(
[14:42] <Laney> eww olives
[14:43] <diplo> Might have to try graze myself, wonder if i can get it delivered to work
[14:44] <bigcalm> diplo: use 11K23D9 and get 2 boxes for free
[14:45] <diplo> heheeh, saw that earlier :D
[14:45] <bigcalm> :)
[14:46] <diplo> Does it actually work out a lot more expensive than buying it yourself do you just do it for the ease.
[14:46] <gord> YBC8CPQ get three ;)
[14:47] <bigcalm> gord: your ref offers 3 boxes?
[14:47] <diplo> Keep running out of fruit at work, and having something to nibble on would be great, but not sure whether i ought to spend 3/6 quid a week on something i could do myself for cheaper
[14:47] <gord> nope, but now there are three codes
[14:47] <bigcalm> Oh
[14:47] <bigcalm> The code I pasted will give you 2 boxes
[14:47] <bigcalm> It was their xmas offer
[14:48] <bigcalm> In the box just before xmas included 2 envelopes. In each was a card to give to somebody which would give them 2 boxes for free
[14:48] <AlanBell> wasabi peas are the best
[14:48] <bigcalm> So I have 2 lots of 2 to give away
[14:49] <diplo> Worth it then guys?
[14:49] <bigcalm> Woo! Those hit the spot
[14:49] <bigcalm> diplo: I have one box a week and I look forward to each one
[14:50] <diplo> So you spend £12-13 a month on it, not to bad..
[14:50] <bigcalm> Yus
[14:50] <diplo> Can't really get the depth of the boxes, quite a bit of food ?
[14:51] <bigcalm> Not a lot. But they are meant as nibbles
[14:51] <gord> i think the depth is mostly about fitting in through the post box
[14:51] <bigcalm> Keep you off the crisps and cakes
[14:51] <gord> again, i miss fruit =\ not gonna recommend graze until fruit comes back myself
[14:52] <Laney> why did they stop?
[14:52] <bigcalm> There is some fruit
[14:53] <andylockran> We're on some Abel & Cole scheme.. they're nothing but fruit.
[14:53] <diplo> I think i'll look at there site, buy some stuff and make my own stuff to bring to work.. see how i go and costs and maybe try
[14:53] <andylockran> and some random veg
[14:53] <gord> i don't get fruit at all apart from dried fruit
[14:53] <diplo> Lost about 3 stone, want to keep it up but hunger gets the best of me
[14:53] <gord> they cited short supply because of winter
[14:54] <andylockran> hmm, dear dear
[14:54] <andylockran> so you had nuts instead?
[14:54] <gord> lots of nuts
[14:54] <gord> if you like nuts, you'll like graze
[14:55] <nigelb> graze is the dry fruits to home thing?
[14:55]  * nigelb remembers somone talk about it here
[14:56] <diplo> Someone in here mentioned software that you can use over bluetooth to use your mobile through your laptop mic etc, anyone got any thoughts on what it's called
[14:56] <diplo> All i can remember is i had to build from source
[14:57] <andylockran> no idea diplo, sounds interesting though
[14:58] <brobostigon> almost pulseaudio in reverse.
[14:58]  * diplo searches this PC, think it was on my lappy i formatted though
[14:58] <diplo> might have been Azelphur maybe..
[14:59] <j0nr> Any one got a good solution for offline Android SatNav?
[15:00] <andylockran> j0nr: tangoGPS?
[15:00] <andylockran> not sure if it's on android
[15:00] <j0nr> I am going abroad this year and would like to be able to use my phone for satnav, but might not want to be relying on data roaming
[15:00] <diplo> aha, a lot of googling later http://nohands.sourceforge.net
[15:00] <andylockran> but only offline satnav I've ever used.
[15:00] <diplo> For anyone interested
[15:00] <diplo> j0nr, new  vector maps lets you save them locally?
[15:00] <diplo> v5 of maps
[15:01] <diplo> Supposedly, just view the area you are going on the phone before going there.
[15:03] <DJones> j0nr: Which phone do you have? My Desire HD has a built in offline satnav on Android 2.2
[15:05] <nigelb> Daviey: Hey, is 1100 UTC fine for your User Days session?
[15:06] <j0nr> diplo: which program?
[15:06] <j0nr> DJones: HTC Desire (not HD)
[15:06] <j0nr> currently trying out Navit (OSM data)
[15:07] <diplo> Google maps, newest one is based on vector maps, and from what i read was that you cache offline
[15:07] <diplo> Going to be a proper way in the future but for now if you look at the area you are going to pre going there it caches it on the phone
[15:08] <j0nr> diplo: at all zoom levels??
[15:08] <j0nr> but I bet routing is still done on-air
[15:09] <j0nr> or online
[15:10] <diplo> It's been a while since i read about it, but from what i remember they said that it would have to do occasional checks, but not same as normal so data would be a lot cheaper
[15:11] <andylockran> anyone got recommendations for business planning software?
[15:17] <AlanBell> that can mean lots of things andylockran
[15:17] <gord> andylockran, notepad.exe
[15:18] <davmor2> andylockran: go oldschool it's call a pad and pen
[15:19] <screen-x> google calendar \o/
[15:19] <andylockran> davmor2: I'm finding old school the best method tbh
[15:53] <Twinkletoes> I have the resolvconf package installed, but after reboot, resolv.conf is empty (ie. only the 2 comment lines from resolv.conf).  If I manually restart networking, then the relevant lines defined in /etc/network/interfaces appear in resolv.conf.  Why doesn't it do this automatically at startup?
[15:55] <brobostigon> Twinkletoes: i would suggest, resolv.conf gets wiped, because you get your dns info, when your machines dhcp's, nf that overrides the info in resolv.conf.
[15:56] <brobostigon> thats my guess.
[15:56] <Twinkletoes> brobostigon: /etc/network/interfaces, eth0 set to static, only other is loopbacl
[15:56] <brobostigon> Twinkletoes: ok, my idea doesnt count then, noidea.
[15:57] <directhex> Twinkletoes, are you adding dns entries in /etc/network/interfaces?
[15:57] <directhex> Twinkletoes, since resolvconf gets dns from dhcp?
[15:57] <brobostigon> i put mydns info into dhcp preferences file.
[15:57] <Twinkletoes> brobostigon: directhex: I have the dns-* entries in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:59] <brobostigon> i didnt know you couldput dns server entries in there.
[15:59] <Twinkletoes> brobostigon: The strange thing is that AFTER reboot (when resolvconf doens't have the info there), I can restart networking, and it's populated OK
[16:00] <brobostigon> hmm,
[16:06] <Twinkletoes> There is an ifup hook (000resolvconf) in /etc/network/if-up.d, if that's anything to do with it
[16:35] <DJones> The dangers of texting while on the move http://goo.gl/WP0JE
[16:40] <popey> bug 704007
[16:40] <popey> comments/suggestions welcome
[16:40] <dutchie> private?
[16:40] <davmor2> popey: you see the private bit at the end somewhat of a give away :P
[16:41] <popey> oops
[16:41] <popey> bug 705007
[16:42] <Laney> private bugs are never as interesting as you might think
[16:46] <DJones> Laney: There's probably a bug filed by Launchpad itself against popey thats marked private "Bug xxxxxx: popey files too many bugs & overloads the system" :)
[16:46] <popey> hah
[16:47] <davmor2> DJones: there wasn't but there is now Muhahahahahahahahaha
[16:47] <DJones> Have you ever counted up how many bugs you've filed? I wonder if there's a statistic on lanchpad that lists the "top" bug filers
[16:49] <davmor2> DJones: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~davmor2 just replace the davmor2 with your oen nick
[16:50] <davmor2> own nick even
[16:51] <DJones> Heh, I've filed 5 bugs & none of them are anything particularly important
[16:51] <andylockran> anyone using asterisk ?  What's the stable current version?
[16:53] <davmor2> andylockran: were in ppa's, from source, as a package in the archive and for what version of Ubuntu?
[16:56] <popey> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[16:57] <andylockran> davmor2: I'm running asterisk on gentoo at the moment, but considering whether to compile from source or use a prebuild image (such as AsteriskNOW)
[16:59] <gord> awww man i'm not on the ubuntu top contributors anymore, used to be on there for lp answers :)
[16:59] <gord> am on https://edge.launchpad.net/unity/+topcontributors though -_-
[17:00] <popey> gord: known bug that when the screensaver kicks in you can still see unity with the screensaver password open?
[17:02] <gord> popey, same bug as the menu stuff, its compiz stacking, whenever you don't see something or you see something on top of something else it shouldn't be on top with, its the same bug. our compiz guy thinks he's nailed it though from all the adulation i'm seeing :)
[17:02] <davmor2> popey: yeap again that is fixed by unity --reset I told you it's the all encompassing fixer
[17:02] <gord> no its not
[17:03] <gord> its just that if you restart unity, it might not show itself again because compiz has restarted, its one of those tricky "randomly showing" bugs
[17:04] <davmor2> gord: I know I'm assuming there is a race condition somewhere that will get fixed once someone finds it
[17:04] <popey> haha
[17:04] <popey> excellent chaps
[17:05] <Azelphur> diplo, it was me
[17:06] <Azelphur> but it was kinda buggy
[17:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've had a *bad* day. And I've just been trying to script a copy of some files using FTP (I have no choice but to use FTP before you say use scp/rsync or whatever else). I'm looking for other ideas...
[17:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> curl - works ish but is a PITA for multiple files.
[17:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> wput fails with a broken pipe.
[17:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> My favourite curlftpfs is broken so that all file copies return an Input/Output error. (Known bug).
[17:21] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: does it have to be a cli setup?
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> yep - it's server to server.
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ubuntu 10.04 on my side and something unkown on the other, but running ProFTPD
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just want to script a simple backup job.
[17:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been p***ing about on this nearly all day.
[17:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Every file transfer method seems borked someway.
[17:23] <popey> :(
[17:24] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: gftp?
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a server. No X or GTK etc...
[17:26] <popey> !info gftp-text
[17:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> is it scriptable?
[17:26] <popey> not sure
[17:26] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: can you mount the ftp server?
[17:27] <AlanBell> with fuse or something?
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> My favourite curlftpfs is broken so that all file copies return an Input/Output error. (Known bug).
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> bug 120018
[17:27] <popey> is ftp the only port open or something?
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bug since 2007 :-(
[17:28] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: can't you just move all the file you want moving to one folder and use the ftp *.* server2/backup or whatever?
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: It's a dedicated backup resource on an internal network and they are only offering FTP access
[17:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: Nope - I need directory "depth".
[17:29] <popey> yafc looks neat
[17:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> If *any* of the tools I tried worked properly I would be fine. BUt they are broken in some way except curl. BUt that is just defficient.
[17:29] <popey> "Yafc is yet another FTP client which features a directory cache, remote filename completion, aliases, colorized ls, recursive get/put/ls/rm, nohup mode transfers, tagging (queueing), multiple connections, proxy support, and more.It has also support for Kerberos authentication and SSH2 (sftp)"
[17:30]  * TheOpenSourcerer googles yafc
[17:30] <gord> the nintendo 3ds just got a release date and price in the uk and i'm already pre-ordering... not addicted. nope.
[17:30] <popey> http://freshmeat.net/projects/yafc/
[17:30] <popey> gord: oooo when!?
[17:32] <gord> popey, march 25th, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-3DS-Handheld-Console-Blue/dp/B004ISLDUG/
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> yafc not touched since 2005 hmmm. Doesn't necessarily mean it's broken but not promising.
[17:33] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: can you not create a tar.gz locally and just copy that over and then untar it on the other server?
[17:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - I have no shell on the "other" server
[17:35] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I would be tempted to try to fix the bug in curlftpfs
[17:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> I suspect I am going to have to loop through my files and transfer each one individually. yawn.
[17:36] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: what's upp ?
[17:37] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: you tried lftp ?
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: That is a nice idea but my knowledge of C is less than my knowledge of aboriginal cooking.
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: I have not. Thank you I will look at it.
[17:37] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: just toss another dingo on the barbie
[17:38] <AlanBell> fuse stuff really is quite simple
[17:38] <andylockran> http://commandline.org.uk/forum/topic/67/
[17:38] <popey> AlanBell: fuse over ftp?
[17:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> if curlftpfs worked it would be great.
[17:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can mount remote ftp servers
[17:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> mostly it works but it generates file I/O errors on copy.
[17:40] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.stratigery.com/scripting.ftp.html
[17:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> So I can't script a nice file copy and catch errors
[17:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep - read all that davmor2
[17:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am now going to eat something. And then consider the options. Again...
[17:41] <popey> food \o/
[17:41] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: are you copying the system from one box to another or only certain files?
[17:41] <AlanBell> there is the elderly http://freshmeat.net/projects/fuseftp/
[17:41] <Azelphur> popey, I signed up for giffgaff :D
[17:41] <Azelphur> looks pretty cool
[17:42] <popey> :)
[17:42] <Azelphur> hows the coverage?
[17:42] <popey> its O2
[17:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: A specific set of files not the whole system.
[17:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Tea time.
[17:42] <AlanBell> fuseftp looks nice and simple
[17:42] <Azelphur> I see :p
[17:43] <AlanBell> written in perl and not too obfuscated
[17:43] <Azelphur> popey, also finally rooted your hero :p
[17:44] <Azelphur> all that suffering on old android versions xD
[17:44] <directhex> welcome to "new villainrom, reformat time" grind
[17:44] <directhex> hope you like reinstalling apps
[17:44] <Azelphur> 2.2 should have wifi hotspot built in, that comes in handy
[17:45] <Azelphur> and you can get setCPU (From xda-developers thread for free, or pay in market) and do some overclocking
[17:46] <popey> Azelphur: i had rooted it long ago
[17:46] <Azelphur> oh :)
[17:46] <popey> the only thing I did yesterday was unlock it
[17:47] <Azelphur> I see
[17:47] <popey> villainrom 1.7.0 (android 2.2) didnt have hotspot built in
[17:47] <popey> not that you're allowed to use that with giffgaff
[17:47] <Azelphur> popey, heh, your not allowed to do it with 3 either but I do, and t-mobile
[17:47] <popey> the tether option was greyed out for some reason
[17:48] <Azelphur> none of them allow tethering they all want you to buy seperate hardware to tether, it's silly.
[17:48] <popey> well the giffgaff one I can understand
[17:48] <popey> as its unlimited and only a tenner
[17:48] <directhex> i tether my hero sometimes
[17:48] <Azelphur> yea
[17:49] <Azelphur> I'd be happy with tenner 10GB tethering allowed
[17:49] <popey> thats what i have on orange :)
[17:49] <Azelphur> does it have calls too?
[17:49] <directhex> i want SIM-only PAYG data for my laptop
[17:49] <Azelphur> and texts
[17:49] <popey> yes
[17:49] <Azelphur> interesting
[17:49] <popey> its 25/mo, the 10 is for 10GB/mo
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> I want something that uses the modem-manager SMS interface
[17:50] <Azelphur> huh?
[17:50] <Azelphur> so it's £25 + £10 so £35?
[17:50] <popey> its 25 a month total, which includes 1GB, but I added 10 to make it 10GB /mo
[17:50] <Azelphur> ah
[17:50] <Azelphur> yea way too expensive :p
[17:51] <Azelphur> I get by fine on most no tethering packages, I don't be evil with it, just the odd occasion where I'm stuck someplace without internet and want to get on IRC without using the phones keyboard
[17:52] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: have a look at ftpcopy
[17:52] <Azelphur> I just used 1GB tethering on my 3 package for £10 while I'm away :p
[17:53] <Azelphur> if I ever had any problems I'd probably just make an app for android that repeatedly downloads 100mb test files from my dedi :D
[17:53] <Azelphur> :trollface:
[17:55] <Azelphur> popey, there's an app on google code called android wifi tether
[17:55] <Azelphur> that'll do it should you want it
[17:56] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: better still wput the ftp put equivalent of wget
[17:57] <popey> Azelphur: oh i have an app already, aNetShare
[17:58] <Azelphur> cool
[18:02] <andylockran> how come you can cd to //, but not to ///
[18:03] <andylockran> is there any significance there?
[18:12] <brobostigon> evening all.
[19:57] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[19:58] <pr0ph3t> you are a lot more informed than I am on these things, has anyone at canonical seriously thought about Ubuntu hardware?
[19:59] <pr0ph3t> I mean an ubuntu mouse yes nice, but also an ubuntu laptop, with 120% supported hardware
[19:59] <brobostigon> open source hardware, or canonical varified HW?
[19:59] <pr0ph3t> or a desktop, or even a server
[19:59] <pr0ph3t> I guess it gets complicated there
[20:00] <pr0ph3t> don't wanna be like apple where everything is just for it
[20:00] <popey> there's no profit in hardware
[20:00] <popey> dell have ensured that
[20:00] <pr0ph3t> ask Apple
[20:00] <popey> canonical have a hardware certification system
[20:00] <pr0ph3t> if there is no profit in hardware
[20:00] <popey> apple are an anomoly
[20:00] <popey> and didnt get where they are overnight
[20:01] <pr0ph3t> I think they will become the norm soon
[20:01] <pr0ph3t> well they kinda did
[20:01] <pr0ph3t> nobody had it up until a few years ago
[20:01] <pr0ph3t> it was dubbed the graphical system
[20:02] <pr0ph3t> now it's made out of alluminium and it goes with your ipod, your iphon, your ipad
[20:02] <pr0ph3t> and you're cool because you have an apple
[20:02] <pr0ph3t> I mean so many PCs were sold purely because people wanted to appear
[20:02] <pr0ph3t> probably most of them
[20:03] <popey> why dont you email Mark Shuttleworth and tell him?
[20:03] <popey> mark@ubuntu.com
[20:03] <pr0ph3t> I was just wondering whether they'd thought about it
[20:04] <popey> ask them?
[20:04] <pr0ph3t> yes
[20:04] <pr0ph3t> I'll ask them thanks
[20:05] <popey> *blink*
[20:08] <brobostigon> wow twitter.com/mrs_sirius is following me,
[20:09] <czajkowski> brobostigon: she rocks
[20:09] <brobostigon> czajkowski: who is she?
[20:09] <czajkowski> my boss
[20:09] <czajkowski> well one of them
[20:09] <czajkowski> place I work
[20:09] <brobostigon> czajkowski: oh, i see.
[20:09] <czajkowski> :)
[20:10] <brobostigon> czajkowski: i need to be creful what i say then.
[20:10] <czajkowski> nah
[20:10] <czajkowski> they hired me after reading my tweets for months
[20:10] <brobostigon> cool. :)
[20:11]  * brobostigon crosses his fingers.
[20:11] <czajkowski> brobostigon: ahh you've applied have you ?
[20:11] <czajkowski> coming tomorrow to the open day ?
[20:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: you mean they still hired you after have you slate me and England for a month :P
[20:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: they hired me after mark followed me on twitter, missed meeting up with him at fosdem and listened to my rants and ravings. So they at least have a sense of humour about them
[20:12] <brobostigon> czajkowski: i wont be coming to open day, my eczema is badly infected right now.
[20:12] <czajkowski> ok
[20:14] <popey> brobostigon: you applied at sirius?
[20:14] <brobostigon> popey: i have, yes.
[20:15] <popey> Good luck
[20:15] <brobostigon> thank you popey
[20:16] <MichealH> Hmm, #debian-uk on OFTC has 98 people O.o :P
[20:17] <czajkowski> so...
[20:31] <AlanBell> debian is very much an active project
[20:31] <AlanBell> and they are having one of the other .org stands at the expo thing
[20:32] <brobostigon> as debian sid and experimental prove.
[20:32] <AlanBell> and they are releasing a version of debian pretty soon
[20:32] <brobostigon> squeese.
[20:33] <brobostigon> v.6
[20:33] <brobostigon> becoing stable from testing.
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> during FOSDEM weekend
[20:34] <brobostigon> :)
[20:35] <czajkowski> ;c
[20:39] <hamitron> :/
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:41]  * brobostigon sees weird square symbols.
[20:41]  * hamitron too
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> which font are y'all using?
[20:41]  * AlanBell sees a nice bit of unicode abuse
[20:41] <hamitron> but I am forever greatful to see them
[20:41] <hamitron> ;)
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: standerd debian irssi.
[20:42] <hamitron> since it just took me 30 mins to get my computer rebooted
[20:42]  * MartijnVdS has standard Ubuntu irssi in gnome-terminal
[20:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: in gnome-terminal here aswell.
[20:42]  * hamitron sends his messages by pidgin
[20:42] <hamitron> ;)
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> it's this: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/%E0%B2%A0%E0%B2%A0-look-of-disapproval
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> you need "Kannadan" font support
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> so install fonts for Indian languages ;)
[20:43] <hamitron> but meh is English
[20:43] <hamitron> ;/
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: meh is but
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ = look of disapproval
[20:43] <hamitron> ¬_¬
[20:44] <d_ed> hey all. I'm hosting a "Linux awareness" type presentation at my local university. Does anyone know of any good resources for getting any free stash to give away?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> d_ed: don't do a free giveaway if people are just going to throw the CD away
[20:44]  * hamitron wonders if a faulty fan could cause havoc with his 12V rail
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> d_ed: I'd ask them to bring an usb stick along, which you fill with Ubuntu on request :)
[20:45] <hamitron> :)
[20:45] <d_ed> that makes a lot of sense
[20:45] <d_ed> it was my fallback plan, wasn't any harm in asking though
[20:48] <sm1773r> hey guys
[20:49] <hamitron> hmmm, disappearing hdd = power problem I am guessing
[20:49] <hamitron> :/
[20:50] <sm1773r> whats up ?
[20:50] <d_ed> hamitron: are you getting anything in "dmesg" related to it?
[20:50] <gord> have just realized that i have no idea wha iron bru tastes like
[20:50] <hamitron> on windows xp
[20:50] <hamitron> ;)
[20:50] <hamitron> actually
[20:50] <d_ed> yeah, your dmesg is probably going to be blank in that case...
[20:50] <hamitron> when i was on linux, the drive just disappeared
[20:50] <hamitron> :/
[20:50] <hamitron> same as unpluging it
[20:51] <hamitron> but this is another hdd on another sata controller
[20:51] <hamitron> I found a semi-dead fan
[20:51] <hamitron> see if that is causing it
[20:52] <d_ed> or the semi dead fan is a sympton of a common problem..
[20:52] <hamitron> could be
[20:52] <d_ed> well good luck...
[20:53] <hamitron> it is hard to figure it out, when it works fine for a week sometimes
[20:53] <hamitron> suppose I could try plugging the fan back in, and monitor the voltage
[20:54] <hamitron> or maybe put a 1A fuse in
[20:57] <hamitron> or even more cool, install a dedicated fuse box
[20:57] <hamitron> can't see many home comps having that
[20:57] <hamitron> I would deserve a mod of the week sticker :)
[21:05]  * brobostigon gets the girls chocolate buttons.
[21:06] <brobostigon> treats*
[21:10] <brobostigon> umm, question, "lsb_release -a" says testing squeese, however am running off sid repos. what will happen when squeese becomes stable.
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> it'll still say squeeze
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> maybe stable squeeze
[21:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and then testing with have a different codename,
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> We will continue to use Toy Story character names for squeeze's
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> successor. The next release will be called ``wheezy'' (the rubber toy
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0.
[21:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: however i am running sid repos, so it cannever become testing nor stable. i directed moved from testing to unstable,
[21:14]  * MichealH laughs at how quick and easy that question was to answer on askubuntu.com :P
[21:14] <MichealH> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22314/unable-to-set-custom-icon-on-application-launcher/22333#22333
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it'll stay "testing" probably
[21:14] <MichealH> UPVOTE :)
[21:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: or sid in this case.
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes, but they have to upload something with the "Testing' name in it, because of the automatic sid -> testing migrations
[21:15] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, makes more sense.
[21:15] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the entire process isnt always fullyclear yet,
[21:18] <brobostigon> https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_dream_sapphire/tree/gingerbread
[21:18] <brobostigon> yay, :)
[21:19]  * MartijnVdS waits for the official ota
[21:20] <brobostigon> yes, i dont think it will ever happen. from cyanogenmod anyway,
[21:24] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: stupid thing is, even if that wprked, not even a nightlie built from it,
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> I mean gbread for nexus one ;)
[21:25] <brobostigon> oh.
[21:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://mirror.teamdouche.net/?device=passion&type=nightly willbe based on gingerbread aosp 2.3
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> I'm not rooting
[21:30] <brobostigon> ok.
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> and there's new news of a Google rep saying "in the coming days"
[21:31] <brobostigon> ah.
[21:32]  * brobostigon says that with some sceptisism.
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Nexus One is the new developer phone.. they HAVE to provide an update eventually
[21:33] <brobostigon> ohdear huge mistake, i amwatching hattie on bbc4, and it was setin the late sixties, and the cigerette showed had a filter, :(
[21:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: or the galaxy *
[21:34] <hamitron> aren't filters better for your health?
[21:34] <brobostigon> hamitron: however they didnt in that period,
[21:34] <hamitron> ah yeh
[21:35] <hamitron> at least the bbc hasn't cut that scene...
[21:35] <hamitron> ;)
[21:36] <brobostigon> hmm, the didnt either when clarkson smoked on HIGNFY either.
[21:36] <hamitron> true
[21:36] <hamitron> :)
[21:38] <brobostigon> or hamster, clarkson and may smoking pipes on top gear.
[21:48] <popey> 21:34:22 < hamitron> aren't filters better for your health?
[21:48] <popey> debateable
[21:48] <brobostigon> popey: elaborate?
[21:48] <popey> nah :)
[21:48] <popey> its well documented online
[21:49] <brobostigon> oh, so i am doing the right thing then.
[21:49] <popey> i dont particularly care tbh, because I don't smoke
[21:49] <popey> I care more about the particulates that smokers breathe out on me and my family
[21:49] <brobostigon> i have always rolled my own, and have never used filters.
[21:49] <czajkowski> rollies just look messy :S
[21:50] <brobostigon> popey: i dont smoke around peoplei know  dont like it, and even then ask.
[21:50] <brobostigon> czajkowski: not mine.
[21:50] <popey> doesnt have to be "around"
[21:50] <brobostigon> popey: several walls away.
[21:50] <popey> smokers still breathe out the particulates some time after they finish smoking
[21:50] <czajkowski> popey: indeed
[21:50] <brobostigon> popey: agreed, quite.
[21:50] <popey> i.e. after they come indoors
[21:50] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:50] <popey> my daughter has a condition which is aggravated by smoke
[21:51] <czajkowski> Always remember my uncle lecturing people about smoking near his kid, and he'd go off and smoke, come back and cuddle her , yuck
[21:51] <hamitron> I make my friend freeze in the cold when they visit
[21:51] <hamitron> ;)
[21:51]  * brobostigon remembers never to smoke around or be near popey after he has then.
[21:51] <popey> hah
[21:52] <hamitron> I do miss smoke in night clubs though
[21:52] <hamitron> :/
[21:52] <popey> ugh, i dont
[21:52] <popey> when we went to brussels and into a bar where they smoke it was horried
[21:52] <hamitron> now the smell of sweat and urine :(
[21:52] <brobostigon> i miss my pipe in the pub with a good beer,
[21:54] <czajkowski> popey: aye delerium is bad alright
[21:54] <czajkowski> popey: picture it at fosdem, 1000 geeks in there
[21:55] <popey> :S
[21:55] <popey> I'd have to be drunk before I went in
[21:55] <popey> best part of that evening was when dave batted a beer over himself
[21:55] <brobostigon> this is why i favoured having seperate parts of pubs for smokers and non. or seperate rooms. as i vote for giving peoplechoice, anf that situation would do. rather than how it is now.
[21:55] <popey> i vote for no choice at all, put all the smokers in a field and shoot them
[21:55] <czajkowski> popey: :D
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[21:56] <czajkowski> no just no smoking indoors
[21:56] <brobostigon> :(
[21:56] <czajkowski> go outside and smoke
[21:56] <czajkowski> and evne then not outside the place of eating/drinking
[21:56] <brobostigon> agreed czajkowski
[21:56] <brobostigon> hmm.,
[21:56] <czajkowski> most annoying having to walk past them indoors and through the smoke
[21:56] <mgdm> Annoying; someone smoking in the lift in your building before you get into it
[21:56] <maco> in the US it used to be common to ask "smoking or non?" when people came into the restaurants, but now ...well, at least all the states i visit regularly have it banned anywhere with a roof that food or drinks are served
[21:56] <brobostigon> czajkowski: how about a certaindistence away.
[21:56] <mgdm> I was wheezing enough as it is (asthma + cold)
[21:57] <popey> :( mgdm
[21:58] <brobostigon> thats i do hate,even as a smoker, mgdm
[22:00] <dwatkins> Smoking in lifts can't be legal.
[22:00] <brobostigon> agreed.
[22:01] <mgdm> I don't believe it is
[22:01] <mgdm> also, why is my monitor flickering on and off?
[22:01] <dwatkins> The last company I worked at had a three-sided enclosed space for the smokers' corner, they had to take one of the perspex sides off so it wasn't breaking the law to smoke in it
[22:02] <brobostigon> dwatkins: huh. ?
[22:02] <popey> yup
[22:02] <popey> thats why the ones outside pubs dont have 4 sides
[22:03] <brobostigon> because it cant be enlosed?
[22:03] <popey> yeah
[22:03] <brobostigon> enclosed*
[22:03] <czajkowski> they put in some smoking huts at the old hospital I used to work at
[22:03] <popey> cos then it's technically inside
[22:03] <czajkowski> the huts cost 5 K each
[22:03] <popey> ouch
[22:03] <czajkowski> and there was 5 dotted around the place
[22:03] <popey> make the smokers pay!
[22:03] <czajkowski> really annoying wasteful money
[22:03] <czajkowski> no smoking should be tolerated on hospital grounds
[22:03] <brobostigon> popey: we do pay,
[22:03] <popey> no, directly
[22:04] <czajkowski> popey: +1
[22:04] <popey> our local hospital has completely banned it
[22:04] <popey> you have to leave the site to smoke, which is quite a walk
[22:04] <brobostigon> czajkowski: execpt in mental facilities/departments.
[22:04] <czajkowski> brobostigon: yeah I dont agree with that at all
[22:04] <sm1773r> hey guys
[22:05] <popey> hi sm1773r
[22:05] <czajkowski> sm1773r: aloha
[22:05] <sm1773r> whats all the talk bout smoking in hospitals bout ?
[22:06] <brobostigon> czajkowski: ok, imagine the situation, you have mental illness, of any kind, and you dont know the difference of having any control. and then have to go outsidethat control. that isnt good enough, beause thenthat is putting that person in danger,
[22:07] <ali1234> what brobostigon is saying is actually a big problem for mental departments
[22:07] <czajkowski> brobostigon: the workers there are no different from anywhere else, why should they have to inhale the smoke
[22:07] <ali1234> the patients are always absconding for a smoke and getting hit by cars and such
[22:07] <brobostigon> czajkowski: i hve been there, i know the feeling, and i know the reasong why they allow it, here in banbury,
[22:08] <brobostigon> czajkowski: they dont, they send everyone outside, wherethey canstill monitor them.
[22:08] <sm1773r> so smoking doesnt kill people trying to sneak out for a smoke does ?
[22:08] <czajkowski> it's the exhaling afterwards..
[22:08] <brobostigon> ali1234: you can maybe explain it better, you seem to have a grasp.
[22:09] <ali1234> the situation i am talking about is where they totally ban it on the grounds (which the patients of course are not allowed to leave)
[22:09] <brobostigon> yes
[22:10] <brobostigon> or for axample ina day hospital.
[22:10] <popey> I can see why they make exceptions.
[22:11] <hamitron> someone smoking down the street annoys me most ;)
[22:12] <brobostigon> because ihave beem inthe day hospital here inbanbury because of my depression, thats when it was really bad, over 5 years ago. and not allowing me to have a smoke, would have sent me mad,
[22:12] <brobostigon> so the best possibility, was to send us, outside.
[22:13] <brobostigon> to be blunt.
[22:13] <brobostigon> within good reason for both parties.
[22:13] <popey> or assist you to give up
[22:13] <hamitron> or provide a smoking room ;)
[22:13] <popey> http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/s/2003460_total_smoking_ban_at_frimley_park_hospital
[22:13] <popey> blimey, 4 years ago
[22:14] <popey> well, 3 and a bit
[22:14] <popey> (my local hospital)
[22:14] <brobostigon> popey: i dont think thats a producttive idea, for people with severe depression nor muchworse mental illness.
[22:14] <brobostigon> popey: assistence,yes. force, no.
[22:14] <popey> i didnt say force
[22:15] <czajkowski> my dad used to smoke up to 60 a day
[22:15] <hamitron> he didn't either :|
[22:15] <brobostigon> popey: i misinterpreted what you said.
[22:15] <czajkowski> is now down to 3
[22:15] <czajkowski> hopefully he;ll give up totally soon
[22:15] <popey> hamitron: yes, he did
[22:15] <ali1234> yes, the NHS tried to ban it on all hospital grounds a couple of years ago including outside
[22:15] <brobostigon> ali1234: yep.
[22:15] <popey> is it up to the individual trusts then?
[22:16] <hamitron> the NHS is run by mini hitlers ;)
[22:16] <brobostigon> popey: yes.
[22:16] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
[22:16] <popey> interesting
[22:16] <popey> anti-depressant and smoking supressant in one :)
[22:16] <ali1234> they ended up having to make exceptions all over the place though, partly for the reasons discussed above
[22:17] <ali1234> and also cos the staff hated it just as much as the patients
[22:17] <popey> yeah, i can imagine the staff having a fit
[22:17] <popey> they'd all go offsite for "a quick smoke" and whilst there figure they may as well have two
[22:17] <popey> which leads to a 30 min break
[22:17] <brobostigon> ali1234: as some of the staff, atleast here in banbury, smoke aswell.
[22:18]  * hamitron wouldn't give smoke breaks
[22:18]  * brobostigon would.
[22:18] <hamitron> smokers skiving on the strength of a fag, annoys me ;)
[22:19] <czajkowski> smoke breaks at work annoy me, so if you smoke you get more breaks
[22:19] <czajkowski> hamitron: indeed
[22:19] <popey> yup
[22:19] <czajkowski> pisses non smokers off no end
[22:19] <popey> many of my co-workers go outside to smoke, two floors down
[22:19] <popey> sometimes they're quick
[22:19] <popey> if they go in a group they generally arent
[22:19] <brobostigon> czajkowski: i insist on haveing the same breaks as everyone else, to prove i can deal with it,
[22:19] <hamitron> smokers get a fag break, and what would I be told if I wanted a cake break?....
[22:20] <popey> mmmm cake
[22:20] <brobostigon> yummy.
[22:20] <czajkowski> nobody smokes at current place actually
[22:20] <czajkowski> CAKE
[22:20] <maco> cake break sounds like a good idea
[22:20] <popey> !cake
[22:20] <AlanBell> I used to go for a fresh air break when the smokers went for a not very fresh air break
[22:20] <popey> bah
[22:20] <brobostigon> maco: agreeed, :)
[22:20] <popey> i often take sweets in for workers
[22:20] <popey> choccy bars
[22:20] <brobostigon> popey: cool. :)
[22:21] <hamitron> I have caught a cold because of the smoking ban :(
[22:21] <hamitron> and I don't even smoke
[22:21]  * hamitron curses
[22:21] <hamitron> no cake with cough
[22:22]  * brobostigon gets some of his chewing tobacco.
[22:22] <brobostigon> no fumes.
[22:22] <popey> heh
[22:22] <hamitron> I am actually considering starting smoking, just because I am told not to :/
[22:23] <hamitron> never smoked in my life
[22:23] <brobostigon> hamitron: dont, please done, it is the worst possible decision. it rules your mind .
[22:23] <hamitron> but when I have to stand outside for long periods because everyone else smokes...
[22:23] <brobostigon> please  dont*
[22:23] <czajkowski> oh if I am hammered drunk I smoke
[22:24] <mgdm> so 40 a day, then?
[22:24]  * mgdm runs
[22:24] <mgdm> FAST
[22:24] <popey> hehe
[22:24] <hamitron> I'll smoke a pipe to get my own back on the smokers, as I hate the smell of smoke :)
[22:24] <popey> i think it could be a bacon sort of a breakfast tomorrow
[22:24] <popey> czajkowski: no, no syrup
[22:24] <sm1773r> dont smoke , if i dont have any for a while i become very grumpy until i get 1 it destroys u man
[22:24] <brobostigon> czajkowski: what onearth does the nicotine do to you?
[22:24] <hamitron> the smelliest I can find
[22:25] <czajkowski> popey: sooo wrong!
[22:25] <czajkowski> brobostigon: give me awoeful hangover the next day
[22:25] <czajkowski> popey: yer very odd at times,!
[22:25] <brobostigon> czajkowski: no doubt,
[22:26] <brobostigon> czajkowski: :(
[22:26] <hamitron> bah, need coffee
[22:26] <hamitron> brb
[22:27] <sm1773r> no milk in mines bud
[22:31] <brobostigon> http://osnews.com/story/24284/FSF_Announces_Support_for_WebM_Project
[22:31] <brobostigon> interesting gossip.
[22:34] <sm1773r> lol read this , it is so stupid http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/13/cat-jury-duty.html
[22:35] <popey> :)
[22:36] <sm1773r> can just picture it , guy is up for murder and the full jury is a bunch of cats
[22:38] <gord> ... *glares*
[22:40]  * czajkowski offers gord a cuppa tea 
[22:40] <czajkowski> less glaring it's not good for you gord
[22:46] <gord> toes are cold but my cats winter coat is shedding, winter is confusing
[22:46] <czajkowski> gord: can you not just plonk your cat at your feet
[22:47]  * brobostigon  grumbles at nhs mental health getting less money.
[22:47] <hamitron> poor cat :/
[22:51] <gord> nope, i prefer non scratched up feet ;)
[23:03] <diplo-> evenin all
[23:05] <brobostigon> evening diplo-
[23:06] <brobostigon> nos da, sleepwell.
[23:20] <ali1234> anyone know if there is a channel on freenode for completely random computer science questions? (ie not related to a particular software or programming language)
[23:21] <popey> heh, i just randomly joined #compsci
[23:21] <popey> one dude in there
[23:21] <popey> would usenet be "better"?
[23:22] <ali1234> there is a few channels on that variation but they all seem dead
[23:22] <popey> http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/
[23:22] <popey> ?
[23:28] <ali1234> ah good idea
[23:28] <ali1234> i was going to try wikipedia reference desk too
[23:28] <ali1234> my question, in case anyone knows: http://codepad.org/P8v889KY
[23:36] <gord> ali1234, point sampling and averaged down sampling
[23:36] <gord> ali1234, although they are generally done in more intelligent ways than doubling/halving
[23:37] <ali1234> it's not doubling/halving.... it's scaling up then scaling down so that you never deal with half pixels
[23:37] <ali1234> but yeah... it's just linear interpolation right?
[23:39] <gord> ali1234, no, if you scale it up and then down you just end up with the original image
[23:39] <gord> unchanged
[23:39] <ali1234> eg to go from 3x3 to 10x10 it would go up to 15x15, then average over 3x3 blocks
[23:39] <gord> linear interpolation is quite different
[23:39] <HazRPG> evening
[23:40] <HazRPG> I can't believe I'm just waking up again... I can't seem to  get out of this cycle lol
[23:40] <ali1234> i didn't say you scale up and down by the same amount... but the point is you always scale up or down by a whole number
[23:40] <gord> ali1234, at best, you just get a blocky point sampled image the size of the second one
[23:42] <ali1234> example was wrong: eg to go from 3x3 to 5x5 it would go up to 15x15, then average over 3x3 blocks
[23:43] <hamitron> wouldn't that make it foggy?
[23:44] <ali1234> so the pixel at output(0,1) has 6 samples from input(0,0) and 3 samples from input(0,1), then we average
[23:44] <ali1234> which is the same as linear filtering
[23:44] <ali1234> hamitron: yes, scaling up always makes images foggy
[23:45] <gord> its not mathamatically the same as linear filtering by a long shot
[23:45] <gord> you get big blocks with fuzzy edges
[23:45] <ali1234> you get that in linear filtering too
[23:45] <gord> no, you don't
[23:45] <ali1234> linear filtering != bilinear filtering
[23:47] <gord> bilinear filtering is just a 2d version of linear filtering... hence the bi, next we have trilinear filtering
[23:47] <ali1234> that's not true
[23:47] <ali1234> wait, it is true
[23:48] <ali1234> even so, i still think this is the same
[23:48] <gord> its not
[23:48] <ali1234> bilinear filtering *does* produce horrible fuzzy yet blocky textures, after all
[23:48] <gord> no it doesn't
[23:48] <gord> it produces diamond textures
[23:49] <gord> you would litterally get blocks with fuzzy edges
[23:49] <hamitron> but looking at ali1234's problem... is there any reason you have to use that formula?
[23:49] <hamitron> ;/
[23:50] <gord> linear interpolates between points, so you get those steep gradients between what used to be pixels, your system samples at irregular intervals over those pixels so you just get something that looks weird and is occasionally fuzzy
[23:51] <gord> now, milkshake time
[23:51] <hamitron> avoids float computation I suppose
[23:51] <ali1234> hamitron: exactly
[23:52] <ali1234> ok, i'm going to have to do the math on this one
[23:52] <HazRPG> popey: I've decided to get myself some graze
[23:53] <gord> HazRPG, want a code?
[23:53] <HazRPG> hmm, sure?
[23:53] <gord> well you can't have one because i can't remember my own login details
[23:54] <gord> you can get one from popey ;)
[23:54] <HazRPG> popey: *pokes popey*
[23:55] <gord> maybe not at midnight ;)
[23:55] <HazRPG> lol
[23:55] <ali1234> hamitron: it avoid annoying edge clamping problems too
[23:55] <HazRPG> I'll search for the word graze, cos he gave me a code earlier I think
[23:56] <hamitron> ali1234: will increase memory use
[23:56] <ali1234> oh for sure
[23:57] <ali1234> but if you have lots of tiny images all the same size...
[23:57] <hamitron> just a single buffer then
[23:57] <gord> any graphics system that can't do floating point opperations historically, has only done point filtering
[23:57] <HazRPG> gord: I don't know what to get xD
[23:57] <HazRPG> gord: thinking wellbeingBox maybe?
[23:58] <gord> no idea
[23:58] <HazRPG> is it just random, or can you actually pick n choose ?
[23:59] <gord> you can say "i favour this" and "i don't like this" to sway the graze gods