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| directionalpad | Oh my. | 03:53 |
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| reya276 | Morning Everyone | 13:49 |
| mhall119 | morning reya276 | 13:49 |
| reya276 | just the fellow I was looking for, here something you might enjoy but way I'll PM you so that folks in here don't get all nuts about it | 13:50 |
| maxolasersquad | I can't imagine anything worse than the Florida Loco going nuts. | 13:51 |
| reya276 | The reason why is because it has to do with politics and the last thing I want is to start some kind of argument so early in the morning | 13:52 |
| reya276 | so is not proper, mhall119 and I had some discussions about this before | 13:52 |
| mhall119 | heh, yeah, we wouldn't want to make the LoCo go nuts | 13:53 |
| mhall119 | Florida is nuts enough already | 13:53 |
| reya276 | LOL | 13:54 |
| reya276 | yeap we sure are... | 13:54 |
| mhall119 | alright, I'm done with my cheerios and coffee, time to head to work | 13:55 |
| reya276 | what?...Dude your not at work yet | 13:56 |
| reya276 | whoa you guys are a super dedicated bunch for sure | 13:57 |
| greiser | morning.... | 15:19 |
| * greiser built his first deb package last night.... | 15:23 | |
| * maxolasersquad congrats greiser | 15:24 | |
| greiser | i'm now an official contributor | 15:24 |
| greiser | i just packaged up sqlbuddy, a nice web based mysql admin tool | 15:25 |
| greiser | launchpad.net/~gabereiser/+archive/sqlbuddy | 15:27 |
| greiser | building deb files is a pain... | 15:29 |
| greiser | sooooo many steps and setups to do... | 15:29 |
| greiser | took me like 4 hours (granted i'm a n00b).... | 15:30 |
| maxolasersquad | Yes, but those four hourse meens it will only take everyone else a few seconds. | 15:36 |
| mhall119 | greiser: it gets easier, especially if you start using bzr for your package branches | 15:43 |
| mhall119 | trust me, I went through the same phase you're going through now, it seems like an overly complex process, but there are tools and "best practices" that make it much much simpler | 15:43 |
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| greiser | how would using bzr make it easier? | 16:02 |
| greiser | you still have to write postinst and postrm scripts.... | 16:02 |
| greiser | and i'm not that fluent in bash | 16:02 |
| greiser | i ended up looking at other debs to see how they did it.... | 16:03 |
| greiser | i recently built mono-2.8.2 from source since I couldn't find anything later than mono-2.6 in the repos... | 16:05 |
| greiser | was thinking of trying my hand at packaging that too.... | 16:05 |
| greiser | but it was fun, in a masocistic kinda way.... | 16:06 |
| greiser | and I definately felt like I did something good... | 16:06 |
| greiser | even if it was for a simple web based package | 16:07 |
| greiser | i need a bash bible | 16:10 |
| maxolasersquad | greiser: You have one. http://www.google.com/search?q=google+bash+guide | 16:16 |
| maxolasersquad | Argh: http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+guide | 16:17 |
| greiser | .... | 16:17 |
| greiser | smarty | 16:17 |
| greiser | call me old fashoned but I still like books.... | 16:18 |
| itnet7 | greiser: you probably could have found a newer version in a PPA | 16:20 |
| * maxolasersquad call greiser old fashioned. :) | 16:22 | |
| reya276 | Hey does anyone know where I can get ICC color profiles for my Samsung SyncMaster 2343, look on the web but no such luck | 16:23 |
| itnet7 | Personal Packaging Archive's are where a lot of developers package up newer versions packages found repo, but use them with caution | 16:23 |
| MichelleQ | greiser: I'm old fashioned too. | 16:24 |
| itnet7 | versions of packages that are not the latest in the repos (I meant) sorry :-P | 16:24 |
| itnet7 | Hey there MichelleQ ! | 16:24 |
| MichelleQ | itnet7: hi there! | 16:28 |
| itnet7 | Hope things are going well for ya! | 16:28 |
| MichelleQ | they're going. How are you? | 16:30 |
| mhall119 | greiser: https://launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb | 16:34 |
| mhall119 | you basically just make a bzr branch that contains your package's ./debian directory | 16:35 |
| mhall119 | then all you need is to package your app's source in a .tar.gz file, and run "bzr builddeb" | 16:35 |
| mhall119 | it makes maintaining your deb much easier | 16:36 |
| greiser | itnet7: but no one has a PPA of mono 2.8.2.... | 16:39 |
| greiser | mhall119: I'll have to look into that.... I'm more a git guy though.... | 16:39 |
| mhall119 | greiser: well you won't be doing much more than pull/commit/update, so the differences between the two aren't going to matter much | 16:40 |
| mhall119 | later, you can create a 'build recipe' on launchpad using your bzr package branch, and it'll automatically build new versions of your deb everytime a new version of sqlbuddy is released | 16:40 |
| greiser | unless there's conflicts | 16:41 |
| dantalizing | morning | 16:41 |
| itnet7 | hey there dantalizing ! | 16:41 |
| greiser | bah: https://launchpad.net/git-buildpackage | 16:42 |
| greiser | i didn't even know this existed | 16:42 |
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| greiser | will be helpful once I start making packages for natty | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | greiser: what do you mean conflicts? | 16:44 |
| greiser | if I unpack a release into my bzr branch... or I change something to make it work under ubuntu... | 16:45 |
| mhall119 | greiser: your 'package branch' only contains what's in ./debian, not the source of the application | 16:45 |
| greiser | ok... | 16:45 |
| mhall119 | it can, however, contain patches to the source of the application | 16:45 |
| greiser | so the bzr only has one branch, the debian dir..... | 16:46 |
| mhall119 | bzr builddeb will go find the latest version of the app's source from the internet, download it, unpackage it, apply any patches you have specified, then build a new deb from that | 16:46 |
| greiser | well hot damn.... | 16:46 |
| mhall119 | greiser: well, bzr only works on one branch at a time, typically | 16:46 |
| mhall119 | so, yes | 16:46 |
| greiser | docs? | 16:46 |
| greiser | links? | 16:46 |
| mhall119 | um....... | 16:46 |
| mhall119 | heh | 16:46 |
| mhall119 | I may have some bookmarked, let me see what I can find | 16:47 |
| greiser | brb | 16:47 |
| mhall119 | mostly I learned this from reading the debian documentation | 16:47 |
| mhall119 | and making my own packages over time | 16:48 |
| mhall119 | in ./debian/watch you specify a regex URL for finding the original source | 16:49 |
| mhall119 | http://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch/ | 16:49 |
| mhall119 | that says to use 'uscan' to get the latest, but calling 'bzr builddeb' will do that for you | 16:50 |
| mianosm2 | 11:50, starting 11.04x64 server install. | 16:51 |
| greiser | does it work on zip files? | 16:53 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, that I don't know, I've only ever used .tar.gz | 16:54 |
| mhall119 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html is a good reference | 16:54 |
| mhall119 | also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html for making patches to the original source | 16:57 |
| greiser | yeah i know about patches | 16:58 |
| greiser | i had to do that to automatically add apache.conf under /etc/sqlbuddy/apache.conf and in my postinst create a syslink to it under /etc/apache2/conf.d/sqlbuddy.conf | 16:59 |
| mhall119 | ok | 16:59 |
| greiser | it didn't have any hosting information included, just the php sources etc.... | 16:59 |
| greiser | i think with some more practice i'll get the hang of it all... and hopefully help package some really useful applications | 17:01 |
| mhall119 | yeah, practice seems to be the only real way to learn it | 17:01 |
| mianosm2 | Not bad 10 minutes, full install complete, definitely not minimal as advertised. :( | 17:01 |
| mhall119 | what's not minimal about it? | 17:02 |
| mianosm2 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/555864 | 17:05 |
| mianosm2 | all the python packages, all the perl packages, apparmor, ufw, tasksel, wireless (on a server?)....nano...etc...etc. | 17:05 |
| mianosm2 | ttf | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | well, yeah, lots of admin tools use perl or python | 17:06 |
| mianosm2 | Minimal. | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | tasksel is the easy way to get your services installed | 17:06 |
| mianosm2 | Pressing F4 and choosing minimal should leave you with aptitude, or apt-get and wget. | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | okay, so you didn't want ubuntu server, you wanted ubuntu core | 17:07 |
| mianosm2 | tasksel is a neat tool, that I personally have _never_ used, as a systems administrator, I'd rather apt-get the most up to date in the repos | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | or debootstrap | 17:07 |
| mianosm2 | is there ubuntu core? | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | i think all tasksel does is apt-get groups of packages from the repos | 17:07 |
| mianosm2 | what if you install w/o a net connection? (waiting for static addresses). | 17:08 |
| mianosm2 | at the UDS there was supposed to be a meeting about a pure _minimal_ install with the bare amount of packages from the get go (just enough to get you going, and add as you see fit). | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | there is for livecds, I don't know about servers | 17:09 |
| maxolasersquad | I wish nautilus was better at managing memory. I can't imagine why it needed to use a quarter gig of ram. Especially when I had no nautilus browser windows open. | 17:10 |
| greiser | a core distro would be awesome | 17:11 |
| mhall119 | nautilus also manages your desktop | 17:11 |
| maxolasersquad | Understood, but it still doesn't explain 250M ram usage. | 17:11 |
| maxolasersquad | A simple nautilus -q bring it down to 20M. | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | yeah, mine is sitting at 49MB | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | not sure what you had that made it 250M | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | maybe thumbnailing a large file? | 17:12 |
| maxolasersquad | It does that to me sometimes. I don't know either. | 17:12 |
| maxolasersquad | It definitely shoots up when I browse a certain folder where we store all of images for the webserver. | 17:13 |
| maxolasersquad | And it never seems to release them. | 17:13 |
| maxolasersquad | But it does it at other times to from just normal usage. | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | sounds like it's cached thumbnails or something | 17:13 |
| maxolasersquad | Actually, I could care less how much ram it uses, as long as it is intelligent and releases some of that ram when paging is about to start. | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | maxolasersquad: looks like you can debootstrap and apt-get install ubuntu-minimal | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | that won't exactly give you a 'server' setup | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | but it will be minimal | 17:14 |
| maxolasersquad | mianosm2: ^^ | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | right, mianosm2 | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | too many m* nicks around here | 17:15 |
| maxolasersquad | ;) | 17:15 |
| * MichelleQ backs out quietly | 17:16 | |
| mianosm2 | afk, brb | 17:17 |
| dantalizing | did they decide to do openssh-server by default after all on ubuntu server? | 17:19 |
| dantalizing | i know kirkland had proposed it, but i've been out of band for so long i dont remember what the resolution was | 17:20 |
| mhall119 | I'm not sure, I havent' done a server install since like 8.10 | 17:26 |
| reya276 | dantalizing, hey man | 17:30 |
| reya276 | dantalizing, how have you been? | 17:30 |
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| zoopster | dantalizing: it won't be a default, but will be the top listing in tasksel | 17:35 |
| dantalizing | hey reya276 sry been in a conversation | 17:36 |
| dantalizing | been good | 17:36 |
| dantalizing | ah cool zoopster ..thx for hte update | 17:36 |
| maxolasersquad | Is there any way to move a window from one monitor to the other using only the keyboard? | 18:25 |
| dantalizing | maxolasersquad: alt-space .... | 18:26 |
| maxolasersquad | I want to switch the monitor it is displayed on, in a multi-monitor environment, not the workspace. | 18:27 |
| dantalizing | ah sry | 18:27 |
| maxolasersquad | Is good. | 18:27 |
| maxolasersquad | ctrl+alt+shift+arrow is the best way IMO to switch the applications workspace. | 18:28 |
| zoopster | maxolasersquad: you are using twinview? | 18:48 |
| maxolasersquad | zoopster: I don't know. I don't have a check in "Same image in all monitors" in Monitor Preferences. | 18:50 |
| mhall119 | maxolasersquad: Alt+F7, then use your arrow keys | 18:59 |
| mhall119 | press enter when you're done | 18:59 |
| dantalizing | any way to force an app to run only on one screen when you're doing multiple screens? | 19:00 |
| maxolasersquad | mhall119: Alt+F10 (unmaximize) Alt+F7 (move window) Alt+F10 (Maximize again) | 19:00 |
| maxolasersquad | Unfortunately less efficient than just picking up my mouse. | 19:00 |
| dantalizing | ie redefine "fullscreen" on a per-app basis | 19:00 |
| dantalizing | i want my games to run only on one, but keep another screen up for other stuff | 19:01 |
| maxolasersquad | dantalizing: I wish there was some sort of command-line option that X would recognize, so that the shortcuts in the Applications menu could be custom defined where to open app. | 19:07 |
| maxolasersquad | Or so that in startup applications I could defined a workspace and screen to auto-load applications on login. | 19:08 |
| maxolasersquad | I don't think anything like that is possible though. | 19:08 |
| dantalizing | i think devils-pie will do some of that | 19:08 |
| dantalizing | at least after the initial load, iirc, it will automate moving stuff | 19:08 |
| dantalizing | actually i need to google how to programmatically switch between a single screen (turn off monitor 2) and dual screen on the fly .... if I cant have my games on one screen while the other is up, at least I could have my shortcut dynamically turn off the 2nd monitor | 19:12 |
| mhall119 | devils-pie will do it for metacity, compiz has a plugin for doing it too | 19:14 |
| dantalizing | anyone in here a ruby hacker? | 19:16 |
| mhall119 | nope | 19:16 |
| greiser | anyone know where I can find cheap server hardware? | 21:12 |
| directionalpad | Craiglist | 21:13 |
| directionalpad | Craigslist rather. | 21:13 |
| greiser | i've looked... all they have are these really old machines... | 21:14 |
| mhall119 | greiser: wha do you need? | 21:14 |
| greiser | I need at least a quad-core server (stand alone) in micro-atx or mini format.... I'm currently using an old Shuttle PC as my home server but it's a single core machine and makes a hell of a lot of noise | 21:15 |
| greiser | i need something to build src on and stuff | 21:15 |
| greiser | automated build server i guess | 21:15 |
| * MichelleQ considers inventory in shop | 21:15 | |
| mhall119 | ah, you don't want server hardware then | 21:15 |
| greiser | well... | 21:15 |
| greiser | i'm open to rack mounts | 21:15 |
| mhall119 | server hardware is going to be big and noisy and power-hungry | 21:15 |
| greiser | just don't have a rack | 21:15 |
| maxolasersquad | greiser: How do you define "cheap"? | 21:15 |
| greiser | sub $300 | 21:16 |
| greiser | :D | 21:16 |
| greiser | barebones | 21:16 |
| greiser | I have hard drives and stuff | 21:16 |
| mhall119 | greiser: are you open to multi-CPU instead of multi-core? | 21:16 |
| greiser | sure | 21:16 |
| mhall119 | send me an email, mhall119 at gmail, with an idea of what you'll need and I'll see what I have available | 21:16 |
| greiser | ok | 21:17 |
| mhall119 | also, where in the state are you? | 21:17 |
| greiser | orlando | 21:17 |
| MichelleQ | eh, not a big deal to get it over to him | 21:17 |
| mhall119 | ok, a reasonable driving distance from Lakeland | 21:17 |
| greiser | specifically, casselberry | 21:17 |
| greiser | upper northeast side of orlando | 21:17 |
| mhall119 | oh well in that case... | 21:17 |
| mhall119 | j/k | 21:17 |
| greiser | i'll drive.. | 21:18 |
| directionalpad | Its not a bad drive to Mhalls place | 21:18 |
| mhall119 | who is directionalpad ? | 21:18 |
| directionalpad | Maybe an hour, hour and a half | 21:18 |
| * MichelleQ was wondering the same thing | 21:18 | |
| greiser | not if I drive | 21:18 |
| directionalpad | mhall119: roadmap =\ | 21:18 |
| mhall119 | oh hey | 21:18 |
| greiser | I could get there in 40 | 21:18 |
| mhall119 | it's roadmap! | 21:18 |
| directionalpad | Chunkxzor has been bugging me to come back in here | 21:18 |
| mhall119 | bout time | 21:18 |
| directionalpad | For quite some time | 21:18 |
| dantalizing | nice directionalpad | 21:19 |
| directionalpad | Now he's gone since all his machines are borked | 21:19 |
| dantalizing | welcome back | 21:19 |
| directionalpad | Thanks | 21:19 |
| MichelleQ | look!! it's roadmap!! | 21:19 |
| * MichelleQ sees what you did there with the nic. | 21:19 | |
| directionalpad | Ive been busy | 21:19 |
| directionalpad | very busy | 21:19 |
| directionalpad | This place has grown since I've been gone | 21:20 |
| MichelleQ | yah | 21:20 |
| mhall119 | directionalpad: well without you scaring everybody away... | 21:20 |
| directionalpad | mhall119: Sshh. Thats our secret. | 21:20 |
| directionalpad | Well. Was. | 21:20 |
| greiser | ok mhall119 i sent you an email | 21:21 |
| mhall119 | cool, I'll let you know what I fid | 21:21 |
| mhall119 | find | 21:21 |
| mhall119 | aw: http://systemoverlord.com/2011/01/19/is-25-old/ | 21:24 |
| mhall119 | as if looking at 30 wasn't bad enough | 21:24 |
| greiser | it's when they started.... not when they became notable... | 21:26 |
| greiser | as with anything.... most computer revolutions came right out of (or in) universities and colleges | 21:26 |
| mhall119 | right, which means my future notability depends on what I've already done | 21:26 |
| directionalpad | mhall119: Unless you strike oil in your back yard. Then it depends on how much is under your house. | 21:27 |
| mhall119 | so this perpetual motion machine I just finished is totally useless | 21:27 |
| mhall119 | directionalpad: being in Florida, all any of us has under our houses is sand and water | 21:27 |
| MichelleQ | but it's nifty | 21:27 |
| directionalpad | mhall119: Hm. With that gulf oil spill maybe some oil has floated underneath us | 21:28 |
| mhall119 | heh, true | 21:28 |
| mhall119 | but only the thick tar parts that they just throw on the roads | 21:28 |
| directionalpad | Money is money =) | 21:28 |
| mhall119 | true enough | 21:29 |
| greiser | it's ok.... I have Glo as my notable contribution to the world.... | 21:29 |
| greiser | my charity work is complete.... | 21:29 |
| directionalpad | My notable contributions come from all the charity work I do | 21:29 |
| mhall119 | Glo? | 21:29 |
| greiser | http://www.globible.com | 21:30 |
| mhall119 | oh, interesting | 21:30 |
| greiser | I wrote that last year... I'm responsible for the Architecture, graphics pipeline, procedural rendering techniques, and NUI | 21:30 |
| mhall119 | did you make that yourself, or part of the company? | 21:30 |
| greiser | part of a company | 21:30 |
| mhall119 | nice | 21:30 |
| directionalpad | Meh | 21:30 |
| directionalpad | I secured private investors for an upcomming project | 21:30 |
| MichelleQ | greiser: interesting! | 21:31 |
| greiser | i also wrote these guys tech before doing glo... www.monstermedia.net | 21:31 |
| greiser | motion detection algorithms and NUI stuff | 21:32 |
| greiser | i'm big on programming algorithms and imaging stuff | 21:32 |
| greiser | game engines and the like | 21:33 |
| directionalpad | Yeah nobody gives me work | 21:33 |
| directionalpad | I gave up on that | 21:33 |
| directionalpad | Some days I regret becoming a programmer | 21:33 |
| directionalpad | but thats another story all togethe r=) | 21:33 |
| maxolasersquad | Hmmm, I feel like I'm just getting started in doing awesome things, and I'm set to turn 31 in a month. | 21:34 |
| maxolasersquad | Awesome things with technology that is. | 21:35 |
| greiser | i get a kick out of turing math problems and theory into usable code.... | 21:53 |
| greiser | it satifys my inner nerd..... | 21:53 |
| dantalizing | i wrote hello world in snobol4 | 21:53 |
| directionalpad | I write custom implementations for charities to allow them to take a number of payment methods directly through their website | 21:54 |
| directionalpad | Yay me. | 21:54 |
| directionalpad | =\ i do nothing interesting | 21:54 |
| greiser | brb | 22:15 |
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