=== excid3|m_ is now known as excid3|mbp [03:53] Oh my. === locobot_4_2 is now known as locobot_4 [13:49] Morning Everyone [13:49] morning reya276 [13:50] just the fellow I was looking for, here something you might enjoy but way I'll PM you so that folks in here don't get all nuts about it [13:51] I can't imagine anything worse than the Florida Loco going nuts. [13:52] The reason why is because it has to do with politics and the last thing I want is to start some kind of argument so early in the morning [13:52] so is not proper, mhall119 and I had some discussions about this before [13:53] heh, yeah, we wouldn't want to make the LoCo go nuts [13:53] Florida is nuts enough already [13:54] LOL [13:54] yeap we sure are... [13:55] alright, I'm done with my cheerios and coffee, time to head to work [13:56] what?...Dude your not at work yet [13:57] whoa you guys are a super dedicated bunch for sure [15:19] morning.... [15:23] * greiser built his first deb package last night.... [15:24] * maxolasersquad congrats greiser [15:24] i'm now an official contributor [15:25] i just packaged up sqlbuddy, a nice web based mysql admin tool [15:27] launchpad.net/~gabereiser/+archive/sqlbuddy [15:29] building deb files is a pain... [15:29] sooooo many steps and setups to do... [15:30] took me like 4 hours (granted i'm a n00b).... [15:36] Yes, but those four hourse meens it will only take everyone else a few seconds. [15:43] greiser: it gets easier, especially if you start using bzr for your package branches [15:43] trust me, I went through the same phase you're going through now, it seems like an overly complex process, but there are tools and "best practices" that make it much much simpler === jck77_ is now known as jck77 [16:02] how would using bzr make it easier? [16:02] you still have to write postinst and postrm scripts.... [16:02] and i'm not that fluent in bash [16:03] i ended up looking at other debs to see how they did it.... [16:05] i recently built mono-2.8.2 from source since I couldn't find anything later than mono-2.6 in the repos... [16:05] was thinking of trying my hand at packaging that too.... [16:06] but it was fun, in a masocistic kinda way.... [16:06] and I definately felt like I did something good... [16:07] even if it was for a simple web based package [16:10] i need a bash bible [16:16] greiser: You have one. http://www.google.com/search?q=google+bash+guide [16:17] Argh: http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+guide [16:17] .... [16:17] smarty [16:18] call me old fashoned but I still like books.... [16:20] greiser: you probably could have found a newer version in a PPA [16:22] * maxolasersquad call greiser old fashioned. :) [16:23] Hey does anyone know where I can get ICC color profiles for my Samsung SyncMaster 2343, look on the web but no such luck [16:23] Personal Packaging Archive's are where a lot of developers package up newer versions packages found repo, but use them with caution [16:24] greiser: I'm old fashioned too. [16:24] versions of packages that are not the latest in the repos (I meant) sorry :-P [16:24] Hey there MichelleQ ! [16:28] itnet7: hi there! [16:28] Hope things are going well for ya! [16:30] they're going. How are you? [16:34] greiser: https://launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb [16:35] you basically just make a bzr branch that contains your package's ./debian directory [16:35] then all you need is to package your app's source in a .tar.gz file, and run "bzr builddeb" [16:36] it makes maintaining your deb much easier [16:39] itnet7: but no one has a PPA of mono 2.8.2.... [16:39] mhall119: I'll have to look into that.... I'm more a git guy though.... [16:40] greiser: well you won't be doing much more than pull/commit/update, so the differences between the two aren't going to matter much [16:40] later, you can create a 'build recipe' on launchpad using your bzr package branch, and it'll automatically build new versions of your deb everytime a new version of sqlbuddy is released [16:41] unless there's conflicts [16:41] morning [16:41] hey there dantalizing ! [16:42] bah: https://launchpad.net/git-buildpackage [16:42] i didn't even know this existed === RoAkSoAx is now known as andreserls === andreserl is now known as RoAkSoAx === andreserls is now known as andreserl [16:43] will be helpful once I start making packages for natty [16:44] greiser: what do you mean conflicts? [16:45] if I unpack a release into my bzr branch... or I change something to make it work under ubuntu... [16:45] greiser: your 'package branch' only contains what's in ./debian, not the source of the application [16:45] ok... [16:45] it can, however, contain patches to the source of the application [16:46] so the bzr only has one branch, the debian dir..... [16:46] bzr builddeb will go find the latest version of the app's source from the internet, download it, unpackage it, apply any patches you have specified, then build a new deb from that [16:46] well hot damn.... [16:46] greiser: well, bzr only works on one branch at a time, typically [16:46] so, yes [16:46] docs? [16:46] links? [16:46] um....... [16:46] heh [16:47] I may have some bookmarked, let me see what I can find [16:47] brb [16:47] mostly I learned this from reading the debian documentation [16:48] and making my own packages over time [16:49] in ./debian/watch you specify a regex URL for finding the original source [16:49] http://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch/ [16:50] that says to use 'uscan' to get the latest, but calling 'bzr builddeb' will do that for you [16:51] 11:50, starting 11.04x64 server install. [16:53] does it work on zip files? [16:54] hmmm, that I don't know, I've only ever used .tar.gz [16:54] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html is a good reference [16:57] also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html for making patches to the original source [16:58] yeah i know about patches [16:59] i had to do that to automatically add apache.conf under /etc/sqlbuddy/apache.conf and in my postinst create a syslink to it under /etc/apache2/conf.d/sqlbuddy.conf [16:59] ok [16:59] it didn't have any hosting information included, just the php sources etc.... [17:01] i think with some more practice i'll get the hang of it all... and hopefully help package some really useful applications [17:01] yeah, practice seems to be the only real way to learn it [17:01] Not bad 10 minutes, full install complete, definitely not minimal as advertised. :( [17:02] what's not minimal about it? [17:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/555864 [17:05] all the python packages, all the perl packages, apparmor, ufw, tasksel, wireless (on a server?)....nano...etc...etc. [17:06] ttf [17:06] well, yeah, lots of admin tools use perl or python [17:06] Minimal. [17:06] tasksel is the easy way to get your services installed [17:06] Pressing F4 and choosing minimal should leave you with aptitude, or apt-get and wget. [17:07] okay, so you didn't want ubuntu server, you wanted ubuntu core [17:07] tasksel is a neat tool, that I personally have _never_ used, as a systems administrator, I'd rather apt-get the most up to date in the repos [17:07] or debootstrap [17:07] is there ubuntu core? [17:07] i think all tasksel does is apt-get groups of packages from the repos [17:08] what if you install w/o a net connection? (waiting for static addresses). [17:08] at the UDS there was supposed to be a meeting about a pure _minimal_ install with the bare amount of packages from the get go (just enough to get you going, and add as you see fit). [17:09] there is for livecds, I don't know about servers [17:10] I wish nautilus was better at managing memory. I can't imagine why it needed to use a quarter gig of ram. Especially when I had no nautilus browser windows open. [17:11] a core distro would be awesome [17:11] nautilus also manages your desktop [17:11] Understood, but it still doesn't explain 250M ram usage. [17:12] A simple nautilus -q bring it down to 20M. [17:12] yeah, mine is sitting at 49MB [17:12] not sure what you had that made it 250M [17:12] maybe thumbnailing a large file? [17:12] It does that to me sometimes. I don't know either. [17:13] It definitely shoots up when I browse a certain folder where we store all of images for the webserver. [17:13] And it never seems to release them. [17:13] But it does it at other times to from just normal usage. [17:13] sounds like it's cached thumbnails or something [17:14] Actually, I could care less how much ram it uses, as long as it is intelligent and releases some of that ram when paging is about to start. [17:14] maxolasersquad: looks like you can debootstrap and apt-get install ubuntu-minimal [17:14] that won't exactly give you a 'server' setup [17:14] but it will be minimal [17:15] mianosm2: ^^ [17:15] right, mianosm2 [17:15] too many m* nicks around here [17:15] ;) [17:16] * MichelleQ backs out quietly [17:17] afk, brb [17:19] did they decide to do openssh-server by default after all on ubuntu server? [17:20] i know kirkland had proposed it, but i've been out of band for so long i dont remember what the resolution was [17:26] I'm not sure, I havent' done a server install since like 8.10 [17:30] dantalizing, hey man [17:30] dantalizing, how have you been? === excid3|mbp is now known as exo_Od3 [17:35] dantalizing: it won't be a default, but will be the top listing in tasksel [17:36] hey reya276 sry been in a conversation [17:36] been good [17:36] ah cool zoopster ..thx for hte update [18:25] Is there any way to move a window from one monitor to the other using only the keyboard? [18:26] maxolasersquad: alt-space .... [18:27] I want to switch the monitor it is displayed on, in a multi-monitor environment, not the workspace. [18:27] ah sry [18:27] Is good. [18:28] ctrl+alt+shift+arrow is the best way IMO to switch the applications workspace. [18:48] maxolasersquad: you are using twinview? [18:50] zoopster: I don't know. I don't have a check in "Same image in all monitors" in Monitor Preferences. [18:59] maxolasersquad: Alt+F7, then use your arrow keys [18:59] press enter when you're done [19:00] any way to force an app to run only on one screen when you're doing multiple screens? [19:00] mhall119: Alt+F10 (unmaximize) Alt+F7 (move window) Alt+F10 (Maximize again) [19:00] Unfortunately less efficient than just picking up my mouse. [19:00] ie redefine "fullscreen" on a per-app basis [19:01] i want my games to run only on one, but keep another screen up for other stuff [19:07] dantalizing: I wish there was some sort of command-line option that X would recognize, so that the shortcuts in the Applications menu could be custom defined where to open app. [19:08] Or so that in startup applications I could defined a workspace and screen to auto-load applications on login. [19:08] I don't think anything like that is possible though. [19:08] i think devils-pie will do some of that [19:08] at least after the initial load, iirc, it will automate moving stuff [19:12] actually i need to google how to programmatically switch between a single screen (turn off monitor 2) and dual screen on the fly .... if I cant have my games on one screen while the other is up, at least I could have my shortcut dynamically turn off the 2nd monitor [19:14] devils-pie will do it for metacity, compiz has a plugin for doing it too [19:16] anyone in here a ruby hacker? [19:16] nope [21:12] anyone know where I can find cheap server hardware? [21:13] Craiglist [21:13] Craigslist rather. [21:14] i've looked... all they have are these really old machines... [21:14] greiser: wha do you need? [21:15] I need at least a quad-core server (stand alone) in micro-atx or mini format.... I'm currently using an old Shuttle PC as my home server but it's a single core machine and makes a hell of a lot of noise [21:15] i need something to build src on and stuff [21:15] automated build server i guess [21:15] * MichelleQ considers inventory in shop [21:15] ah, you don't want server hardware then [21:15] well... [21:15] i'm open to rack mounts [21:15] server hardware is going to be big and noisy and power-hungry [21:15] just don't have a rack [21:15] greiser: How do you define "cheap"? [21:16] sub $300 [21:16] :D [21:16] barebones [21:16] I have hard drives and stuff [21:16] greiser: are you open to multi-CPU instead of multi-core? [21:16] sure [21:16] send me an email, mhall119 at gmail, with an idea of what you'll need and I'll see what I have available [21:17] ok [21:17] also, where in the state are you? [21:17] orlando [21:17] eh, not a big deal to get it over to him [21:17] ok, a reasonable driving distance from Lakeland [21:17] specifically, casselberry [21:17] upper northeast side of orlando [21:17] oh well in that case... [21:17] j/k [21:18] i'll drive.. [21:18] Its not a bad drive to Mhalls place [21:18] who is directionalpad ? [21:18] Maybe an hour, hour and a half [21:18] * MichelleQ was wondering the same thing [21:18] not if I drive [21:18] mhall119: roadmap =\ [21:18] oh hey [21:18] I could get there in 40 [21:18] it's roadmap! [21:18] Chunkxzor has been bugging me to come back in here [21:18] bout time [21:18] For quite some time [21:19] nice directionalpad [21:19] Now he's gone since all his machines are borked [21:19] welcome back [21:19] Thanks [21:19] look!! it's roadmap!! [21:19] * MichelleQ sees what you did there with the nic. [21:19] Ive been busy [21:19] very busy [21:20] This place has grown since I've been gone [21:20] yah [21:20] directionalpad: well without you scaring everybody away... [21:20] mhall119: Sshh. Thats our secret. [21:20] Well. Was. [21:21] ok mhall119 i sent you an email [21:21] cool, I'll let you know what I fid [21:21] find [21:24] aw: http://systemoverlord.com/2011/01/19/is-25-old/ [21:24] as if looking at 30 wasn't bad enough [21:26] it's when they started.... not when they became notable... [21:26] as with anything.... most computer revolutions came right out of (or in) universities and colleges [21:26] right, which means my future notability depends on what I've already done [21:27] mhall119: Unless you strike oil in your back yard. Then it depends on how much is under your house. [21:27] so this perpetual motion machine I just finished is totally useless [21:27] directionalpad: being in Florida, all any of us has under our houses is sand and water [21:27] but it's nifty [21:28] mhall119: Hm. With that gulf oil spill maybe some oil has floated underneath us [21:28] heh, true [21:28] but only the thick tar parts that they just throw on the roads [21:28] Money is money =) [21:29] true enough [21:29] it's ok.... I have Glo as my notable contribution to the world.... [21:29] my charity work is complete.... [21:29] My notable contributions come from all the charity work I do [21:29] Glo? [21:30] http://www.globible.com [21:30] oh, interesting [21:30] I wrote that last year... I'm responsible for the Architecture, graphics pipeline, procedural rendering techniques, and NUI [21:30] did you make that yourself, or part of the company? [21:30] part of a company [21:30] nice [21:30] Meh [21:30] I secured private investors for an upcomming project [21:31] greiser: interesting! [21:31] i also wrote these guys tech before doing glo... www.monstermedia.net [21:32] motion detection algorithms and NUI stuff [21:32] i'm big on programming algorithms and imaging stuff [21:33] game engines and the like [21:33] Yeah nobody gives me work [21:33] I gave up on that [21:33] Some days I regret becoming a programmer [21:33] but thats another story all togethe r=) [21:34] Hmmm, I feel like I'm just getting started in doing awesome things, and I'm set to turn 31 in a month. [21:35] Awesome things with technology that is. [21:53] i get a kick out of turing math problems and theory into usable code.... [21:53] it satifys my inner nerd..... [21:53] i wrote hello world in snobol4 [21:54] I write custom implementations for charities to allow them to take a number of payment methods directly through their website [21:54] Yay me. [21:54] =\ i do nothing interesting [22:15] brb