[00:27]  * releaselogger ditches his unicorn repo
[02:16] <apachelogger> "we are coming"
[02:17] <nixternal> well then, we are going
[02:17] <apachelogger> "we are coming tomorrow"
[02:18] <apachelogger> nixternal: dude, you have not bee around much have you now
[02:18] <nixternal> probably not, but then again I don't pay attention to where I have been lately :)
[02:19] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, you know, kubuntu needs you :)
[02:19] <nixternal> no it doesn't. it has been doing fine without me. i am just a user now, totally useless doing anything else
[02:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: you still have years of experience you could teach the young the ways of the force
[02:21] <apachelogger> and abuse them to make people think you are doing things while you are in fact not :D
[02:23] <nixternal> yeah, but if people aren't grateful, then i don't want to teach them anything. plus i am supposedly poisonous
[02:23] <jjesse> really you are poisonous?
[02:23] <nixternal> that's what i heard through the grapevine
[02:25] <apachelogger> odd enough
[02:25] <apachelogger> nixternal: come join phonon then
[02:25] <apachelogger> we have plenty of poisonous lazy people there :D
[02:25] <apachelogger> like markey.... :P
[02:25] <nixternal> haha
[02:26] <jjesse> or like apachelogger
[02:26] <jjesse> :P
[02:26] <apachelogger> yus
[02:26] <apachelogger> we both make others also lazy and do skype stuff
[02:26] <apachelogger> most poisonous this is
[02:26] <jjesse> i've heard your skype sesions are epic
[02:26] <apachelogger> oh, they very much are
[02:28]  * claydoh can't see how nixternal  coulld be considered poisonous, thats a bit extreme
[02:29] <claydoh> grapevines are thorny maybe
[02:29] <jjesse> i think nixternal shoud just jump back in the water
[02:29] <jjesse> it's not that bad
[02:30] <apachelogger> if only I got to made a project bottom to top
[02:30] <apachelogger> it would be a hot tub
[02:31]  * apachelogger would like some fish and chips
[02:31] <claydoh> arghhh 
[02:31] <apachelogger> then again I am drunk
[02:32]  * claydoh throws drupal against the wall, shattering it to bits
[02:32]  * claydoh wishes he were drunk 
[02:32]  * apachelogger bought 2 liters of incredibly cheap white wine on his way back from campus
[02:33] <apachelogger> spent the last 3 days working around 14h per day on university projects -.-
[02:40] <jjesse> apachelogger that sucks glad i'm no longer in university
[02:43]  * apachelogger actually considers dropping out as he feels incredibly unmotivated for a considerable amount of time :S
[02:57] <nixternal> jjesse: to cold to jump into any water
[10:43] <steveire> apachelogger: ping?
[11:03] <Riddell> no sign of 4.6 yet it seems
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Morning Riddell
[12:17] <apachelogger> steveire: semi-pong
[13:58] <Riddell> ./../generated_cpp/com_trolltech_qt_phonon/qtscript_BackendCapabilities.cpp:53:1: error: type/value mismatch at argument 1 in template parameter list for ‘template<class T> struct QMetaTypeId’
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: qtscriptgenerator doesn't like phonon it seems
[14:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, it needs updating
[14:33] <steveire> apachelogger: You had a grantlee patch a little while ago right?
[14:33] <apachelogger> yes
[14:33] <steveire> I tried removing the if(mingw) block and the unit tests failed
[14:34] <apachelogger> m
[14:34] <apachelogger> hm
[14:34] <apachelogger> steveire: you add Qt's defintions though?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> sigh
[14:37] <steveire> That's already in QT_USE_FILE
[14:38] <shadeslayer> gold linking--
[14:38] <apachelogger> steveire: oh, that is not good then :S
[14:38] <apachelogger> steveire: maybe talk to the kde-windows people on how to approach this?
[14:38] <steveire> And the unit tests pass without the change. What is the problem you saw?
[14:39] <apachelogger> steveire: grantlee plugins not loading when built against Qt SDK 
[14:40] <steveire> I build against the sdk as well...
[14:46] <apachelogger> :O
[14:46] <apachelogger> most strange
[14:46] <apachelogger> steveire: we are going to publish the source of our project within the next two weeks you can then try it yourself
[14:47]  * apachelogger actually notes that the whole codebase is one big hack as no one in his team had any idea what they were doing designwise ^^
[15:29] <steveire> apachelogger: Do the grantlee unit tests pass before and after your patch?
[15:32] <steveire> apachelogger: I'll probably tag and release the current 0.1 branch as the 0.1.8 release if I can't reproduce your issue. Your issue is probably not a regression anyway.
[15:43] <apachelogger> steveire: I dont have the setup anymore
[17:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm, it FTBFS when I change it to install-arch-2.% :S
[17:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: OK.  I didn't actually try that.  I just moved the 3.% rule about install-arch-%.
[17:10] <ScottK> So I'd try that.
[17:10] <Quintasan> Oh, okay
[17:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm, this is being silly, I just did it and still FTBFS,
[17:11] <Quintasan> it could be more verbose
[17:11] <ScottK> Weird.
[17:11] <Quintasan> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[17:12] <ScottK> Does it build with no change for you?
[17:12] <ScottK> I took the package you pointed me to, made that change, and it built.
[17:12] <ScottK> Do you have the newest python3-defaults?
[17:13] <Quintasan> lol
[17:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: without moving anything it builds
[17:13] <Quintasan> when I cut&paste it above it ftbfs
[17:13] <Quintasan> :/
[17:13] <ScottK> Quintasan: Make sure you have tabs and not spaces.
[17:13] <ScottK> vim copy/paste converts tabs to spaces.
[17:14] <ScottK> vim/konsole, not sure which
[17:15] <Quintasan> what on earth is this
[17:15] <Quintasan> there are tabs
[17:15] <Quintasan> I'm sure of it
[17:15] <Quintasan> yet some magic occurs and breaks the build
[17:15] <ScottK> OK, because if you just cut/paste there won't be.
[17:17] <Quintasan> ScottK: can you pastebin rules?
[17:18] <ScottK> Sure
[17:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/qAdyfvby
[17:20] <ScottK> That includes some other changes too, but I just built it.
[17:26] <Quintasan> ScottK: somehow it works
[17:27] <ScottK> OK.  So progress.
[17:28] <Quintasan> http://freeworld.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
[17:28] <Quintasan> Everything I have to say in regards to Python stuff
[17:28] <Quintasan> ;)
[17:30] <Quintasan> ScottK: ./usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/sip.cpython-31dmu.so
[17:30] <Quintasan> hehe
[17:30] <Quintasan> oh
[17:30] <Quintasan> dmu
[17:30] <Quintasan> I see
[17:30] <Quintasan> I think this solves everything
[17:30] <ScottK> sip4-qt3 is about as narly as anything you'll run into.
[17:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks, it was as simple as that and I was thinking that the rules are wrong somewhere
[17:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a new release of phonon needing  packaged?
[17:41] <Riddell> no, doesn't look like there is
[17:41] <apachelogger> held up by kde sysadmins
[17:41] <apachelogger> no sho = no release
[17:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have the tars ready though if you want to get started
[17:42] <Riddell> there are other sysadmins no?
[17:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: only sho and toma can do stuff with upload.kde.org
[17:42] <apachelogger> or want to
[17:42] <apachelogger> and toma doesnt do it very often, so I am waiting for sho
[17:42]  * apachelogger requested a phonon account though
[17:47] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'd recommend looking at the output of debc. I'm not sure it's all correct.
[18:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: I did that
[18:02] <ScottK> OK
[18:04] <debfx> Riddell: the Xsession.d scripts aren't run anymore at startup: bug #688393
[18:04] <debfx> it seems like you removed the parts from 08_genkdmconf.diff: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/revision/446#debian/patches/08_genkdmconf.diff
[18:07] <neversfelde> is that the reason why gpg-agent and ssh-agent are not working with KDE SC 4.6?
[18:07] <debfx> yes
[18:08] <neversfelde> ah ok
[18:08] <Quintasan> debfx: what is the reason?
[18:09] <Quintasan> neversfelde: you can try running ssh-agent
[18:09] <Quintasan> neversfelde: and copy pasting the output to a terminal
[18:09] <Quintasan> neversfelde: then it should work is an app was launched from this terminal
[18:09] <neversfelde> Quintasan: as I workaround I put something in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsession, cannot remeber what atm
[18:09] <neversfelde> but it is working
[18:09] <debfx> Quintasan: reason for what?
[18:10] <Quintasan> debfx: gpg-agent not working
[18:10] <debfx> well it's not started
[18:10] <Quintasan> neversfelde: Can you check what did you put there
[18:10] <Quintasan> ?
[18:11] <neversfelde> Quintasan: see the patch attached to the bug report, I did the same
[18:17] <debfx> Riddell: i'll just revert that change if you don't object
[18:38]  * Riddell looks
[18:43] <Riddell> debfx: that was from Debian http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kdebase-workspace.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/08_genkdmconf.diff;h=5ad8545f7ac90f0389dadaf84358ed7eaafd379c;hb=HEAD
[18:44] <Riddell> so we should rename the patch if we are going to differ from theirs
[18:44] <Riddell> and it's probably worth asking why they changedit
[18:45] <neversfelde> bug 481789
[18:45] <neversfelde> I think he is right
[18:47] <neversfelde> I remember a discussion about movin kid3 back from multiverse to universe, was it because of this?
[18:48] <Riddell> libmp4v2 is in multiverse so it would have had to go into multiverse when that was added
[18:48] <debfx> Riddell: Debian hasn't changed the patch
[18:49] <neversfelde> Riddell: but that does not eliminate the incompatibility of the licenses?
[18:49] <debfx> they still source /etc/X11/Xsession
[18:50] <Quintasan> I noticed the ssh-agent problems occured in each development release I used
[18:50] <Quintasan> It's time we do something about it
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> this is the first time it's broken for me, and it's pretty obvious that it's just the breakage of this patch
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> and I've run prerelease-since-toolchain since lucid
[18:52] <Riddell> debfx: mm, I see, I'm getting confused by diffs of diffs
[18:52] <Riddell> debfx: dunno why I did that then, go ahead and revert
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: ^something being done about it :P
[18:54] <Riddell> debfx: I think I'd like to add a link to the default wallpaper link, I'm annoyed at having to change ubiquity each release for that, will add that and then we can upload
[18:55] <Riddell> neversfelde: no, we can't have incompatible licences, even in multiverse
[18:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: so the dependency should be removed
[18:57] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, there is also a new upstream release, so that can be done together
[18:57] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:57] <Riddell> neversfelde: go for it
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> ari-tczew: pong. Fontforge failed too, so I'm rebuilding my pbuilder just to make sure it's not me
[18:58] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: as I said in the past: your pbuilder is wrong
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> pbuilds kde packages just fine, so I dunno why it hates autotools packages so much
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> nor do I really know how I would have broken it
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> but w/e
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> Also school's started back up, so I might be a bit slow about sponsoring things for the near future
[19:04] <neversfelde> Riddell: will it go to universe automatically after removing the build-dep on libmp4v2-dev?
[19:05] <Riddell> neversfelde: no you'll need to file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[19:05] <neversfelde> k, thanks
[19:05] <ari-tczew> JontheEchidna: easy, I'm slowing down with Ubuntu ;)
[19:06] <ari-tczew> (as well)
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/Q1h2J.jpg
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> (unrelated to anything, but still awesome) :)
[19:11] <Quintasan> sheytan: hey sheytan, can you do a quick kde related background for my blog? :P
[19:11] <Quintasan> sheytan: and more importantly: where is Neon logo? :PP
[19:12] <sheytan> Quintasan: 1) show me your blog 2) you already saw it
[19:13] <Quintasan> sheytan: Ad. 2) I did? lol
[19:13] <Quintasan> sheytan: http://quintasan.blogspot.com/
[19:13] <shadeslayer> sigh
[19:13] <shadeslayer> everyone blogs
[19:13] <shadeslayer> but me
[19:13] <Quintasan> I have two blogs but I didn't blog anything in a loooong time
[19:14] <Quintasan> Time to change tat
[19:14] <Quintasan> that*
[19:14] <shadeslayer> likewise here
[19:15] <sheytan> Quintasan: background tomorrow,
[19:15] <Quintasan> sheytan: thanks
[19:15]  * Quintasan is writing up a draft of Project Neon release post
[19:22] <sheytan> the logo hase to be remake. I lost the files ;/
[19:22] <Quintasan> :<
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its too early!!! shouldnt we wait for git migration to be complete?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> also
[19:23] <Quintasan> It's just a draft
[19:23] <Quintasan> Worry not.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> saidinesh5 reported some CPU  issues with neon
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Apparently neon eats your CPU
[19:24] <Quintasan> I bet I will change it over 9000 times to include some unnecessary banter and few adjectives to brag about my English :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:34] <maco> the new red quassel notification icon is really eye-catching
[19:34] <apachelogger> sheytan: any progress on phonon page?
[19:34] <ScottK> maco: Quassel is the same in Maverick and Natty.
[19:35] <maco> ScottK: im on maverick... but i never saw the red thing until ... today
[19:35] <ScottK> Red thing?
[19:35] <apachelogger> the ring of fire
[19:35] <maco> yes, the quassel icon turns red for the circle part and stays blue for the little ball in the middle
[19:35] <ScottK> Ah.  That.
[19:38] <maco> im confused by it, since it just started this boot, and i havent updated in weeks
[19:43] <seaLne> is natty known to be currently uninstallable?
[19:43] <seaLne> having fun playing with the alternative installer
[19:45] <tsimpson> it is a pre-release, that implies instability
[19:45] <seaLne> i know
[20:11] <highvoltage> hey
[20:11] <highvoltage> what is nepomukbackup and why is it important enough to be part of kdebase-runtime?
[20:11] <Quintasan> highvoltage: it backups your nepomuk database
[20:12]  * apachelogger wishes something would backup his pr0n
[20:13] <apachelogger> coudl be a useful enough feature for phonon I suppose
[20:13]  * highvoltage tries to figure out whether that would be useful to any edubuntu users
[20:13] <highvoltage> apachelogger: why? the internet probably already has all your pr0n backed up
[20:13] <apachelogger> hm
[20:13] <apachelogger> good point
[20:13] <apachelogger> but how dreadful it would be to find it all again :P
[20:13] <ulysses> pr0nlogger:P
[20:13] <highvoltage> oh I thought that was the fun part
[20:14] <apachelogger> highvoltage: anyhow, not useful to edubuntu users as currently none of the kde apps in kdeedu use nepomuk
[20:14] <apachelogger> at least I would not be aware of any
[20:14]  * apachelogger continues coding the java
[20:14] <highvoltage> so what is a nepomuk database anyway?
[20:14] <highvoltage> ok, I could probably hide nepomukdatabase from the menu
[20:15] <apachelogger> highvoltage: semantic desktop data
[20:15] <highvoltage> but it really doesn't seem like something that should be in kdebase-runtime from what I can see
[20:15] <apachelogger> (or file search :P)
[20:15] <apachelogger> depending on ones POV
[20:15] <apachelogger> like yesterday a phonon dev called zeitgeist a history tracker ;)
[20:20] <debfx> Riddell: I've pushed the fix to the bzr branch
[20:44] <seaLne> well apt-get install kubuntu-desktop seemed to work fine after the failure during software install in todays natty alternate 
[20:47] <Riddell> seaLne: what was the failure?
[20:47] <Riddell> I used a daily CD from today fine
[20:48] <seaLne> some dependancy issue with with OOo/libre
[20:50] <Riddell> new openoffice packager doesn't start until after fosdem
[20:50] <Riddell> but then we'll have someone to moan to :)
[20:50] <seaLne> openoffice.org-calc depends libreoffice-calc which is not installable
[20:51] <seaLne> also for -impress, -kde, -style-oxygen and -writer
[20:53] <ScottK> Riddell and seaLne: The libreoffice binaries are in Universe, so they wouldn't have been available to the installer, but are post-install.
[20:55] <seaLne> ah, yeah i manually wrote in all the repositories
[20:56] <seaLne> so that was an accurate failure then
[23:28] <Riddell> qtwebkit down to 28MB, 10 times smaller than the last upload
[23:30] <ScottK> Nice
[23:31] <Riddell> and flash breakage has gone, time to uninstall chromium
[23:31] <cmagina> very nice
[23:34] <Riddell> html5 audio and video seems to work nicely (with ogg at least)
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> any idea what caused the dramatic decrease?
[23:39] <apachelogger> no .git dir? ;)
[23:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I removed a load of unused directories
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> aha, so it wasn't upstream coming to their senses ;-)
[23:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: it was > 1GB with the .git directory
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> gtkwebkit's .orig is only 8 MiB
[23:42] <apachelogger> yeah .git can grow epic