[00:42] <vex> hiya. Is there an easy way to move a package from one ppa to another (that I control)
[00:42] <vex> I uploaded to the wrong one :/
[00:46] <jelmer> vex: you can copy packages from the "View Packages" page
[00:48] <vex> hey cool!
[00:48] <vex> look at that.
[00:48] <vex> :D
[00:48] <vex> thanks
[07:09] <mkanat> Looks like the loggerhead /view/ changes are out now. Any numbers on performance improvements or load lessening?
[07:09] <spm> mkanat: let me see if I can dig something up for you...
[07:10] <mkanat> spm: Awesome.
[07:10] <mkanat> Not sure when the change got rolled out.
[07:10] <spm> probably last week with the full release
[07:10] <mkanat> That would sound right.
[07:11] <mkanat> It *feels* faster, at the least.
[07:12] <spm> hand on heart, can't see anything that looks like a load/cpu lessoning. looks about the same.
[07:12] <mkanat> Of course, right now is probably a relatively low-load time.
[07:12] <spm> heh
[07:12] <mkanat> spm: Okay.
[07:13] <mkanat> spm: Do you have any stats on how many threads timeout?
[07:13] <mkanat> Or how many threads run for longer than X seconds?
[07:13] <mkanat> Run a single request for longer than X seconds, that is.
[07:13] <spm> not that I'm aware of. it may be bruied in the logs; but we're not directly showing that anywhere.
[07:13] <mkanat> Okay.
[07:14] <mkanat> Yeah, I have a log analysis tool that does it, but I need the logs, of course. :-D
[07:14] <mkanat> It's not important now, anyhow.
[07:14] <spm> chicken, meet egg. ;-)
[07:14] <mkanat> lol.
[07:14] <mkanat> Okay, I'll work on oops reduction.
[07:15] <spm> oki, always welcome!
[07:15] <mkanat> spm: I heard there was some oops frequency analysis going on...are there any results from that yet?
[07:16] <spm> errr. good question. I've heard of it, but don't know much beyond that. lifeless'd be a good starter to ask about that.
[07:16] <mkanat> spm: Okay.
[07:32] <mkanat> spm: How's stability been?
[07:32] <spm> pretty good actually.
[07:32]  * spm pulls up the incident page
[07:33] <spm> couple of fails at the end of December; only one since. the former were mainly memory abuse causing swappage necessitating kill/starts
[07:42] <mkanat> spm: Wow, that's pretty great.
[07:42] <spm> we may have to rename, from codebounce to codestable. :'-(
[08:07] <mkanat> spm: Hahahahaha. :-D
[08:12] <mkanat> spm: What about the one that wasn't a memory problem?
[08:12] <mkanat> spm: Was it something like bug 617249?
[08:34] <geser> wgrant: can you please look at the build logs of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ants/1.9+svn532-5/+buildjob/2004367 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clisp/1:2.48-3/+buildjob/2004687. They look like a mix of two different builds.
[08:44] <wgrant> geser: I'm asleep, but that looks pretty serious. I will investigate in a few hours, but please ping me if you see anything else like it.
[08:44] <geser> ok
[08:56] <mkanat> It looks like the CSS being used by codebrowse is not correct. Is it being cached somewhere?
[13:10] <mgedmin> I've linked a branch to fix a packaging bug (http://launchpad.net/bugs/705389), what should I do next?  Wait for someone on the Ubuntu side to notice?  Ask this question in #ubuntu rather than #launchpad?
[13:12] <ari-tczew> mgedmin: you have two ways: 1) subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to bug; 2) propose a merge your branch to lucid and set ubuntu-sponsors as reviewer
[13:13] <mgedmin> thanks
[13:40] <czajkowski> bah no mrevell!
[13:53] <wgrant> czajkowski: He should be around in an hour or so.
[13:54] <czajkowski> ahh damn timezones
[13:54] <czajkowski> forgot he's in Dallas
[13:56] <czajkowski> wgrant: you in Dallas?
[14:11] <dpm> does anyone know how I can change the assignee of a bug task? I've assigned one to the wrong team, and I'd like to correct it
[14:12] <czajkowski> no - sign beside them ?
[14:14] <dpm> not that I could see :(
[14:14] <dpm> ah, the little arrow on the far left lets me expand the task and reassign it, cool!
[14:17] <czajkowski> dpm: :)
[14:55] <wgrant> czajkowski: I am.
[14:56] <czajkowski> wgrant: any sign of Mat?
[14:57] <wgrant> czajkowski: He's on the other side of the room, with his laptop not out yet.
[14:57] <wgrant> Although that may be changing.
[14:57] <czajkowski> wgrant: could you throw something at him please and tell him I'm looking for him... Laura is looking for him  will do :) thanks
[14:57] <czajkowski> wont make people say my surname
[14:58] <wgrant> It's not that hard...
[14:58] <czajkowski> I know this
[14:59] <czajkowski> others seem to argue with me :)
[15:29] <czajkowski> mrevell: boo
[15:29] <mrevell> Hi czajkowski, in a meeting just now so will be slow to reply.
[15:29] <czajkowski> mrevell: np can you look at your email, forwared on mails from loco contacts re issue with locked loco teams
[15:29] <czajkowski> please
[15:30] <mrevell> czajkowski, Will do.
[15:30] <czajkowski> mrevell: cheers
[15:31] <mrevell> :)
[15:31] <czajkowski> knew that bug was gonna become a pain in the ass
[16:02] <geser> wgrant: there is now a bug for the buildlog issue: bug 705342
[16:06] <wgrant> geser: Yeah, we are investigating.
[16:09] <wgrant> geser: It's always that same builder.
[16:09] <wgrant> And the builds that succeed seem to be fine.
[16:10] <geser> wgrant: can you check what happened to the other builds of those intermixed buildlogs?
[16:12] <wgrant> geser: I need the log from the slave, which won't be available for a while.
[16:20] <geser> wgrant: I now looked closer on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62494035/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.clisp_1%3A2.48-3_BUILDING.txt.gz and the 2nd build seems to be for libcanberra 0.26-1ubuntu7 (armel; built on 2011-01-19) but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/0.26-1ubuntu7/+buildjob/2166905 tells it build successfully on 2011-01-12. why did it try it then on that build again?
[16:20] <wgrant> geser: It was probably the libcanberra build from the copy archive.
[16:20] <wgrant> It's building l* at the moment.
[16:20] <geser> ah
[16:24] <geser> wgrant: you are right: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20110114-arm/+buildjob/2170420
[17:33] <micahg> mrevell: can I ask you about a possible project name being appropriate or is there a better forum for that?
[17:35] <mrevell> micahg, Yeah, please do.
[17:35] <micahg> mrevell: would the name ipfreely be inappropriate on launchpad?
[17:35] <mrevell> micahg, Heh, no I don't think so.
[17:35] <micahg> mrevell: ok, thanks
[17:36] <exarkun> even for a project which removes limitations (eg non-mobility of endpoints) from IP communication?
[17:44] <czajkowski> mrevell: good meeting
[18:27] <wolfpack> I am working under some HTTP proxy. When i try to branch through bazaar I get this error---"ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. "..Is there any way around to solve this??
[18:28] <jtv> spiv: would you know?  ^^
[18:33] <StevenK> I seriously doubt a HTTP proxy is causing that problem.
[18:33] <StevenK> Is port 22 firewalled?
[18:34] <wolfpack> don't know ....  i am in university
[18:35] <wolfpack> so may be they have port 22 firewalled
[18:40] <spiv> wolfpack: "Connection timed out" is the problem
[18:40] <spiv> wolfpack: as StevenK says you appear to be firewalled, or something like that.  It's an issue with your network.
[18:41] <wolfpack> spiv: ok...so no solution for it ?
[18:41] <spiv> wolfpack: if you can't use port 22, and you don't need write access to the branch, you can probably work around it by using http:// URLs
[18:42] <spiv> If you need write access, then you must be able to connect to bazaar.launchpad.net port 22, there is no other option.
[18:42] <wolfpack> but i will not be able to contribute in devlopment work
[18:42] <wolfpack> ok
[18:47] <wolfpack> spiv: Is this way possible--I download the source for that branch using loggerhead and then work upon it while offline ......After that merge it using some other computer where port 22 is allowed
[18:49] <spiv> wolfpack: yes
[18:49] <spiv> Er,
[18:49] <spiv> But rather than download the source via loggerhead, just "bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/..."
[18:50] <spiv> You can *read* branches via http, and thus make your own local branches from an HTTP source
[18:50] <wolfpack> but I am not able to branch it
[18:50] <spiv> Have you tried a http://bazaar.launchpad.net/... URL when branching?
[18:51] <mrevell> Hey czajkowski. Thanks for forwarding me those emails. I've sent a message to the loco-council list, which is awaiting moderation.
[18:52] <wolfpack> no
[18:52] <czajkowski> mrevell: loco council is me and 5 others
[18:52] <czajkowski> mrevell: the thread went on today on loco contacts
[18:53] <czajkowski> mrevell: mail approved now
[18:53] <mrevell> czajkowski, Yeah, I wanted to email the loco council first. Thanks for approving it.
[18:54] <czajkowski> np
[18:54] <czajkowski> mrevell: you can follow the other thread on the contacts list
[18:54] <czajkowski> I did point out I'd gone and poke ye
[19:11] <wolfpack> spiv:U were telling about branching using http ....can u please tell me how to do that .
[19:49] <VarcMB> Hello
[19:49] <tsimpson> hello \o
[19:49] <VarcMB> Are you :D
[19:50] <VarcMB> I am trying to register my PGPKey
[19:51] <tsimpson> having any trouble?
[19:52] <VarcMB> Well, i don't know how to validate my Key on LaunchPad
[19:52] <tsimpson> so you have already created the key on your system?
[19:53] <VarcMB> A personal Key
[19:54] <tsimpson> ok, so what steps have you done so far?
[19:56] <VarcMB> Just register on LaunchPad create the key and now i am seeying the mail PGP
[19:59] <tsimpson> VarcMB: you need to upload the key to a keyserver, you can use the command "gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com your_key_id" (replacing your_key_id with the ID of your key)
[20:00] <VarcMB> In the terminal right?
[20:00] <tsimpson> yeah
[20:02] <VarcMB> is not a valid key ID: omitted
[20:03] <tsimpson> you need to put your key ID in, you should be able to see it with "gpg --list-keys"
[20:03] <VarcMB> pub or sub?
[20:04] <tsimpson> pub
[20:04] <czajkowski> pub the answer is always pub
[20:05] <VarcMB> Get it but, say the same thing
[20:05] <tsimpson> true
[20:06] <tsimpson> try with "gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys your_key_id", I think gpg is a bit picky about what option comes last
[20:08] <VarcMB> Nothing
[20:08] <tsimpson> nothing?
[20:08] <VarcMB> I will try with Evolution mail
[20:08] <VarcMB> The problem si the key in the terminal i think
[20:15] <VarcMB> the GPG/PGP Key are the *******/****** Or the most long key?
[20:15] <czajkowski> mrevell: ping
[20:17] <tsimpson> VarcMB: the part after the '/'. if it shows "1024D/12345678" then "12345678" is the key ID
[20:17] <VarcMB> Ohhhh
[20:18] <VarcMB> Other error
[20:19] <VarcMB> My mistake, i do it whit the terminal
[20:21] <VarcMB> What i need now?
[20:23] <tsimpson> once you have uploaded the key, you need to tell launchpad about it
[20:23] <tsimpson> use "gpg --fingerprint" and look for the line with "Key fingerprint ="
[20:24] <VarcMB> I have the key
[20:24] <VarcMB> i need send this key from anywhere?
[20:24] <tsimpson> you need to paste that into https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editpgpkeys
[20:24] <tsimpson> and then click the Import Key button
[20:25] <VarcMB> Finish
[20:26] <tsimpson> you need to check your email now and decrypt the message with your key
[20:26] <mrevell> Hi there czajkowski
[20:27] <czajkowski> you are killing me mister :P
[20:27] <VarcMB> Ok, i have Gamil and Evolution, Evolution is new for me so i will the to decrypt with the terminal
[20:27] <mrevell> czajkowski, What do you mean?
[20:27] <czajkowski> mrevell: can you check your mail
[20:27] <tsimpson> VarcMB: that's fine, just type "gpg" in the terminal and copy+paste the email in
[20:27] <tsimpson> VarcMB: it should give you a link to follow
[20:28] <VarcMB> But this crypt
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> hi guys
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> hi guys, can somebody please review the account of klusumsky RE:
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/76378
[20:32] <VarcMB> Hello, tsimpson i think can help you, please wait for him
[20:36] <tsimpson> VarcMB: you copy the encrypted message into gpg, it should then decrypt the message
[20:38] <VarcMB> The message need have a ' "" '
[20:39] <tsimpson> just copy and paste directly from gmail should work
[20:39] <tsimpson> after typing "gpg" and pressing enter
[20:40] <VarcMB> i write in the terminal, "pgp MESSAGE (ONLY THE CODES)" and this don't work
[20:42] <tsimpson> did you paste everything from "-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----" to "-----END PGP MESSAGE-----"?
[20:42] <VarcMB> The BEGIN PGP MESSAGE & AND PGP MESSAGE no
[20:44] <tsimpson> just copy and paste the entire thing
[20:46] <VarcMB> Wait, i don't have installed the pgp
[20:47] <VarcMB> I will close the programs, i come back in few minutes
[20:48] <mtaylor> do the PPA builders not allow out-bound network connections?
[20:48] <bigjools> mtaylor: no it's verboten
[20:49] <mtaylor> well, that sure does make building doc packages that use sphinx that use intersphinx inventories a little difficult :(
[20:49] <wgrant> They have access to the PPA and primary archives, and that's about it.
[20:49] <Varc> I am back
[20:50]  * mtaylor goes off to make a patch for his ppa packaging branches. cries a little
[20:50] <mtaylor> oh - that's even just for the normal natty builder for the main archive
[20:50] <mtaylor> blast.
[20:50] <bigjools> it's to enforce re-creatable build conditions
[20:51] <Varc> WARNING: Can't find the right public key-- can't check signature integrity.  <----- say this
[20:51] <mtaylor> sure. makes sense - I'm just not sure what to do about making the generated docs for the -doc package be the same as the published ones. maybe I should just not care
[20:54] <Varc> I decrypt it :D but with a program
[21:14] <Varc> I can't finish it :(
[21:17] <Varc> Nevermind i finish it :D
[21:26] <deryck> bdmurray, ping
[21:26] <bdmurray> deryck: hey
[21:27] <vanguard> how do I delete a ppa package that did not build?
[21:27] <deryck> bdmurray, so the bug reporting guidelines may be fixed now.  How recently did you try this?
[21:28] <bdmurray> deryck: probably the week of the 3rd
[21:28] <deryck> bdmurray, can you try again (just changing to anything and set it back if needed)?  assuming it works.
[21:28] <deryck> bdmurray, qastaging is available for this test, too.
[21:29] <bdmurray> deryck: *I* can't as we changed the owner of Ubuntu to a team I'm not a member of.  However I seem to recall the same thing happening with the bug filing guidelines for Launchpad when gary tried to change them
[21:29] <bigjools> vanguard: in the same was as you delete one that did build
[21:30] <bigjools> s/was/way/
[21:30] <bdmurray> deryck: I commented on the bug a bit today
[21:30] <deryck> bdmurray, right.  I asked him, too.  Just over-verifying. :-)  Thanks, anyway!
[21:32] <bdmurray> deryck: if you let the bug supervisor set the bug reporting guidelines I'll be happy to verify it. ;-)
[21:33] <deryck> bdmurray, I don't follow.  bug supervisor can't set that?  Or you mean, you'll verify the actual text when it's set? :-)
[21:33] <bdmurray> deryck: bug supervisor can only set it for projects (I'm pretty sure) not for distros
[21:36] <deryck> bdmurray, I thought you fixed that? :-)
[21:36] <vanguard> bigjools: I just uploaded one package, and that single one did not build
[21:37] <bigjools> vanguard: what do you mean by "did not build" ?
[21:37] <bigjools> failed to build?
[21:38] <vanguard> yes
[21:38] <vanguard> I had an error in the makefile
[21:44] <bigjools> vanguard: you don't need to delete it, just upload a new version and the old one is superseded automatically
[21:45] <vanguard> but I really haven't changed anything.
[21:45] <vanguard> I renamed it from 0.3 to 0.3.1 then
[21:45] <bigjools> vanguard: let me rephrase then - what is your intended outcome?
[21:46] <vanguard> well, I did not build it with pbuilder before and did not notice that my makefile does not work. lp-build told me that a couple minutes later and I tried to upload a newer package, but it told me that it was alreay there
[21:46] <vanguard> so I named it 0.3ubuntu1
[21:46] <bigjools> you can't re-use the same version
[21:47] <vanguard> but it does not make too much sense because I am upstream, so 0.3-1 would be better
[21:47] <vanguard> but I think lintian did not like that since it is an original package, now I have 0.3.1. But anyway, my ppa get's cluttered I think
[21:47] <bigjools> no, it's not cluttered
[21:47] <bigjools> the old version will be removed
[21:48] <vanguard> because it failed or because it is superseeded?
[21:49] <bigjools> when it's superseded
[22:06] <vanguard> bigjools: you are right, the two old versions are gone now
[22:07] <vanguard> the last one built fine, and I can properly install it through my ppa. awesome!
[22:07] <bigjools> glad to hear it
[22:07] <bigjools> I'm right occasionally :)
[22:23] <vanguard> what about deleted ppas, are they going to disappear at some point or will they always be in gray on my profile page?
[22:29] <kirkland> is there any way to tell how many people are using some PPA that I maintain?
[22:29] <kirkland> ie, i'm about to upload a change to a PPA that I think is only mostly used by me
[22:29] <bigjools> kirkland: yes
[22:29] <kirkland> bigjools: cool, how?
[22:30]  * bigjools digs up references
[22:30] <bigjools> kirkland: http://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/tracking-ppa-download-statistics
[22:31] <kirkland> bigjools: cheers mate
[22:31] <bigjools> kirkland: no worries
[22:35] <Varc> Hey guys, one ask
[22:35] <Varc> What mean or how can i know my: IRC Network
[22:40] <vanguard> Varc: card.freenode.net (Washington, DC, USA)
[22:41] <vanguard> is last.fm down for you too?
[22:41] <Varc> What happend if i ut it and i am not from USA
[22:42] <vanguard> Varc: You mean what happens if you are not from the USA and still on an US-Server?
[22:42] <vanguard> Well, that is the internet, does not matter
[22:42] <vanguard> it is a distributed chat here, so all servers talk to each other
[22:43] <Varc> Ok, i wanna join from the Ubuntu bugs squad and i was need know it thanks you very much
[22:43] <vanguard> you can join any channel on any server, IRC does the job afaik
[22:44] <Varc> I see, that is cool and the "wiki" I need have  a Wiki is it free or what?
[22:46] <vanguard> Varc: A wiki is a type of documentation system, everybody can alter and add text, just like on wikipedia
[22:46] <vanguard> Varc: What wiki are you referring to?
[22:47] <Varc> On LaunchPad
[22:47] <Varc> In my profile
[22:48] <vanguard> can you give me the URL?
[22:48] <Varc> I can't is in my profile
[22:48] <Varc> No Wiki names registered.
[22:48] <Varc> Say Wiki
[22:48] <Varc> And No Wiki names registered.
[22:49] <Varc> "Example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/"
[22:49] <vanguard> ah
[22:49] <vanguard> well, if you write on a wiki, you can register the name you use
[22:49] <vanguard> so that everybody who visits your profile can see what you wrote in the wiki
[22:50] <vanguard> you can leave that blank
[22:50] <Varc> But for a Mentor request this is needed and i don't wrote in any wike
[22:51] <vanguard> okay, I guess you would have to register in the ubuntu wiki with some name and enter that name into your profile then
[22:52] <Varc> And the Ubuntu host right?
[22:52] <vanguard> I think so
[22:53] <Varc> Thanks for your help, you work for Ubuntu or someting like it?
[22:57] <vanguard> not really
[22:57] <Varc> Just a Linux lover?
[22:57] <vanguard> Varc: I am just a regular launchpad user, linux lover and devel
[22:58] <Varc> Software design?
[22:58] <vanguard> devel is short for developer
[22:58] <vanguard> so, yeah
[22:58] <vanguard> although I think that most of what I do is not really great in design
[22:58] <vanguard> it just works ... somehow :D
[22:59] <Varc> Cool, in Windows i Design a super small program because i have 16 years old and i don't know a lot about the design but i wanna work in that and without a friend we will work on aMSN for do someting more special