| kwwii | good morning | 10:20 |
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| thorwil | morning! | 10:33 |
| thorwil | hi ivanka. what happened with the survey? | 11:19 |
| ivanka | thorwil: I got lots of responses and have just started analysing this week. This is my first week back and there have been some minor dramas but I am almost back on track! | 11:20 |
| ivanka | thorwil: it also takes longer than I anticipated because the responses are so good and detailed | 11:20 |
| thorwil | ivanka: well, that's good, then | 11:24 |
| ivanka | thorwil: it's great, not just good :-) | 11:24 |
| thorwil | the ubuntu-art logo will be back on the table, soon. i kinda wish that it didn't happen at all | 11:25 |
| doctormo | thorwil: I agree :-) good morning | 11:59 |
| evilvish | doctormo: hey.. | 12:01 |
| evilvish | doctormo: did you happen to catch yesterday's scrollback? | 12:01 |
| evilvish | doctormo: submit to artowl is broken.. :( | 12:01 |
| evilvish | thorwil: i nearly facepalmed and that alternate wallpaper mail yesterday.. | 12:03 |
| evilvish | and thought, even faceplaming is a waste of time ;p | 12:03 |
| darkmatter | kinda like how I regularly facepalm at evilvish? ;) | 12:04 |
| evilvish | darkmatter: but you do facepalm.. \o/ while i dint ;p | 12:05 |
| darkmatter | lol | 12:05 |
| darkmatter | evilvish: I'll try that one day. may help in reducing headaches. facepalming hurts | 12:06 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Thanks for letting me know | 12:20 |
| evilvish | doctormo: np.. when it is fixed could you let me know? or can you reply to the last comment when it is done? http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/bright-light-and-beautiful/ | 12:22 |
| doctormo | evilvish: looks like it's not fixable, I'm not a php programmer so I don't know how to fix it. | 12:23 |
| doctormo | Just reproduced it, definitly a weird php error. Do we know anyone who does php? | 12:23 |
| evilvish | doctormo: ok np. or could you get me the error logs? i can try to find someone else … | 12:23 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Think of me more are to organiser of owl art, it's based on ccHost. | 12:24 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Will grab logs now | 12:24 |
| evilvish | thx..! | 12:24 |
| thorwil | evilvish: heh, yeah, i wondered if and how to react to that and my mind stalled | 12:25 |
| doctormo | Ah damn, I don't have access to the logs. Will prod pleia2 | 12:26 |
| thorwil | evilvish, doctormo: i though by now it was clear that ccHost doesn't like php 5, and that we have no one to fix that? | 12:27 |
| evilvish | can we move the site to drupal? | 12:27 |
| doctormo | evilvish: No, no more php sites, please | 12:28 |
| evilvish | thorwil: one last person has offered to have a look at it.. if that fails as well... maybe wiki submissions ;p | 12:28 |
| thorwil | pfft | 12:28 |
| doctormo | Let's face it, we simply don't have to tools to accept art over the internet. | 12:28 |
| evilvish | :D | 12:28 |
| thorwil | let's require submissions via letter post! | 12:29 |
| evilvish | heh.. we can just ask people to submit as attachments to a bug report in lp ;) | 12:29 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Where is good vish, I miss him. | 12:29 |
| evilvish | doctormo: vish is just tired of noob IRC users sending PMs and not waiting for replies :p | 12:31 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Ah well, I guess evil is ok, as long as you're not diabolical. | 12:33 |
| evilvish | haha! | 12:33 |
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| darkmatter | -31 C. anyone feel like swapping locations? :D | 13:36 |
| thorwil | i'd shiver out of that location | 14:03 |
| darkmatter | evilvish: just had a cute idea for min/unmin in unity (since the default animations are unnaturally dizzying with the launcher on the side). since the launcher is more of a drawer/shelf seeming approach, it should be a "open/close" "collapse/expand" type animation imho. with a "<-[ ]" type glyph to collapse and a "[ ]->' glyph (on running apps in the launcher thingy) to expand. | 15:46 |
| darkmatter | maybe a little "flash" of light along the edge of the launcher tile on collapse as a visual cue | 15:46 |
| darkmatter | evilvish: think I should file a "you make me dizzy" bug? ;P | 15:46 |
| darkmatter | not sure how it would look on smaller windows, but would be nice and graceful on larger/maximized | 15:47 |
| evilvish | darkmatter: you'd have better luck getting your ideas implemented in gnome ;) | 15:49 |
| darkmatter | lol. I know | 15:49 |
| darkmatter | meh. technically just need to pester the compiz devs for an option. minimize does _not_ look natural when executed horizontally | 15:52 |
| doctormo | evilvish: I didn't think anyone, anywhere could get anything into gnome. Even if it made sense. | 15:56 |
| evilvish | doctormo: exactly! why i said the above ;) | 15:56 |
| doctormo | I met some of the gnome designers, they mean well, but my god have I never met more arrogant people. Well except for myself ;-) | 15:57 |
| evilvish | doctormo: darkmatter has had some pleasant experience getting his ideas implemented/used | 15:57 |
| * evilvish hides.. | 15:57 | |
| darkmatter | :P | 15:58 |
| darkmatter | evilvish: but I keep all the good ones to myself. why waste breath :P | 15:59 |
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| thorwil | doctormo: designers sometimes have to be stubborn and very confident to get anywhere, and what's the difference between that and arrogance, anyway? :) | 16:20 |
| evilvish | thorwil: have you read robbiew's email sig? | 16:22 |
| thorwil | evilvish: nope | 16:23 |
| evilvish | thorwil: "Arrogance is thinking you are better than everyone else, while | 16:26 |
| evilvish | Confidence is knowing no one else is better than you." | 16:26 |
| thorwil | heh, yes, i did read that somewhere | 16:27 |
| evilvish | thorwil: yea.. it's in all of his mails.. he mentions he came up with that.. but whoeve.. it's a nice one ;) | 16:28 |
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| doctormo | thorwil: It depends. The main problem with the gnome arrogance is that it's based within a limited social structure where very few people can act as peers or as users. | 17:21 |
| doctormo | I believe it's only possible to be confident about ui design when you either have access to solid usability research, or have access to large numbers of _friends_ who are users. | 17:22 |
| doctormo | Preferably both | 17:22 |
| * darkmatter agrees with doctormo | 17:22 | |
| doctormo | The gnome team is very inwardly looking, they don't have the social support to make sure their ideas aren't warped by their echo chamber. | 17:22 |
| doctormo | Anyone outside of gnome isn't worthy of being listened to, or accepting rationally critique from. In fact the main modus is argument and defence. | 17:23 |
| evilvish | doctormo: any luck with the logs? | 17:31 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Remind me which logos? (I do lots of those) | 17:32 |
| evilvish | ohmy! | 17:32 |
| evilvish | doctormo: the art-owl logs.. ;) | 17:32 |
| doctormo | Oh logs! misread, sorry | 17:32 |
| evilvish | ah, i missed the last "o" too :) | 17:33 |
| doctormo | I've emailed Elizabeth, nothing more I can do but wait for her to give me access to them. | 17:33 |
| evilvish | doctormo: right,cool.. just making sure before i forget.. otherwise i'd remind you tomorrow and it would take another day :) | 17:33 |
| evilvish | timezones suck! | 17:34 |
| thorwil | that echo chamber and defensive stance thing is going on i a lot of places | 17:34 |
| evilvish | whoever had the brilliant idea of making the world round! | 17:34 |
| * darkmatter reformats the world as a mobius strip | 17:36 | |
| darkmatter | evilvish: timezone that ^ :P | 17:36 |
| evilvish | hmm.. wouldnt be too bad.. only a few parts of the world would have light and some would/might never get light... we'd have a much more diverse collection of species. ;) | 17:38 |
| * evilvish steals darkmatter's planet idea for AVATAR2 ;p | 17:40 | |
| darkmatter | hehe | 17:40 |
| doctormo | thorwil: I agree, I kinda like elementary for being a little more open in that regard. | 17:43 |
| doctormo | evilvish: Those planets exist, they're still round, they're just tidily locked to their star. Usually red dwarfs. | 17:44 |
| thorwil | doctormo: _mobius_strip_ planets? | 17:45 |
| doctormo | Nope, mobius strips are 3D objects, you want a 2D concept. A square will do it. | 17:45 |
| thorwil | http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/backtestground-explained/ | 20:31 |
| coz_ | thorwil, I think I am confused about this backtestbground... I did the python setup.py ,,, if I have an image how again do I run to-common-resolutions | 20:39 |
| thorwil | coz_: in a terminal: to-common-resolutions filename | 20:40 |
| coz_ | mm that didnt work but let me try again | 20:40 |
| thorwil | (tab completion really shines with those longish command names) | 20:40 |
| thorwil | coz_: if it throws out an error about something not found, you have an old tarball | 20:41 |
| coz_ | to-common-resolutions command not found | 20:41 |
| coz_ | oh | 20:41 |
| coz_ | mm I just reinstalled it let me find a newer version then | 20:41 |
| thorwil | coz_: wait | 20:42 |
| coz_ | thorwil, could be I am on natty | 20:42 |
| thorwil | coz_: do "echo $PATH" | 20:42 |
| thorwil | and look for "/usr/local/bin" in that list | 20:42 |
| coz_ | its there | 20:43 |
| coz_ | oh wait | 20:43 |
| coz_ | no its /usr/local/sbin | 20:43 |
| coz_ | nope wrong again | 20:43 |
| coz_ | there is a /usr/local/bin | 20:43 |
| coz_ | bad day I think :) | 20:44 |
| thorwil | coz_: what does "which to-common-resolutions" say? | 20:44 |
| coz_ | nothing | 20:44 |
| thorwil | coz_: you read and followed INSTALL? | 20:45 |
| coz_ | I believe so but let me do it again hold on | 20:45 |
| coz_ | setup script did not provide a directory for '' -- installing right in 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg' | 20:49 |
| thorwil | coz_: paste files.txt | 20:50 |
| coz_ | damn ok didnt work but let me come back .. family is needing me to do things...be back in a bit | 20:52 |
| thorwil | unfortunately, i have to log out for today. sorry to coz_ | 20:56 |
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