[10:20] good morning [10:33] morning! [11:19] hi ivanka. what happened with the survey? [11:20] thorwil: I got lots of responses and have just started analysing this week. This is my first week back and there have been some minor dramas but I am almost back on track! [11:20] thorwil: it also takes longer than I anticipated because the responses are so good and detailed [11:24] ivanka: well, that's good, then [11:24] thorwil: it's great, not just good :-) [11:25] the ubuntu-art logo will be back on the table, soon. i kinda wish that it didn't happen at all [11:59] thorwil: I agree :-) good morning [12:01] doctormo: hey.. [12:01] doctormo: did you happen to catch yesterday's scrollback? [12:01] doctormo: submit to artowl is broken.. :( [12:03] thorwil: i nearly facepalmed and that alternate wallpaper mail yesterday.. [12:03] and thought, even faceplaming is a waste of time ;p [12:04] kinda like how I regularly facepalm at evilvish? ;) [12:05] darkmatter: but you do facepalm.. \o/ while i dint ;p [12:05] lol [12:06] evilvish: I'll try that one day. may help in reducing headaches. facepalming hurts [12:20] evilvish: Thanks for letting me know [12:22] doctormo: np.. when it is fixed could you let me know? or can you reply to the last comment when it is done? http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/bright-light-and-beautiful/ [12:23] evilvish: looks like it's not fixable, I'm not a php programmer so I don't know how to fix it. [12:23] Just reproduced it, definitly a weird php error. Do we know anyone who does php? [12:23] doctormo: ok np. or could you get me the error logs? i can try to find someone else … [12:24] evilvish: Think of me more are to organiser of owl art, it's based on ccHost. [12:24] evilvish: Will grab logs now [12:24] thx..! [12:25] evilvish: heh, yeah, i wondered if and how to react to that and my mind stalled [12:26] Ah damn, I don't have access to the logs. Will prod pleia2 [12:27] evilvish, doctormo: i though by now it was clear that ccHost doesn't like php 5, and that we have no one to fix that? [12:27] can we move the site to drupal? [12:28] evilvish: No, no more php sites, please [12:28] thorwil: one last person has offered to have a look at it.. if that fails as well... maybe wiki submissions ;p [12:28] pfft [12:28] Let's face it, we simply don't have to tools to accept art over the internet. [12:28] :D [12:29] let's require submissions via letter post! [12:29] heh.. we can just ask people to submit as attachments to a bug report in lp ;) [12:29] evilvish: Where is good vish, I miss him. [12:31] doctormo: vish is just tired of noob IRC users sending PMs and not waiting for replies :p [12:33] evilvish: Ah well, I guess evil is ok, as long as you're not diabolical. [12:33] haha! === ian_brasil__ is now known as ian_brasil [13:36] -31 C. anyone feel like swapping locations? :D [14:03] i'd shiver out of that location [15:46] evilvish: just had a cute idea for min/unmin in unity (since the default animations are unnaturally dizzying with the launcher on the side). since the launcher is more of a drawer/shelf seeming approach, it should be a "open/close" "collapse/expand" type animation imho. with a "<-[ ]" type glyph to collapse and a "[ ]->' glyph (on running apps in the launcher thingy) to expand. [15:46] maybe a little "flash" of light along the edge of the launcher tile on collapse as a visual cue [15:46] evilvish: think I should file a "you make me dizzy" bug? ;P [15:47] not sure how it would look on smaller windows, but would be nice and graceful on larger/maximized [15:49] darkmatter: you'd have better luck getting your ideas implemented in gnome ;) [15:49] lol. I know [15:52] meh. technically just need to pester the compiz devs for an option. minimize does _not_ look natural when executed horizontally [15:56] evilvish: I didn't think anyone, anywhere could get anything into gnome. Even if it made sense. [15:56] doctormo: exactly! why i said the above ;) [15:57] I met some of the gnome designers, they mean well, but my god have I never met more arrogant people. Well except for myself ;-) [15:57] doctormo: darkmatter has had some pleasant experience getting his ideas implemented/used [15:57] * evilvish hides.. [15:58] :P [15:59] evilvish: but I keep all the good ones to myself. why waste breath :P === 14WAAM645 is now known as ian_brasil [16:20] doctormo: designers sometimes have to be stubborn and very confident to get anywhere, and what's the difference between that and arrogance, anyway? :) [16:22] thorwil: have you read robbiew's email sig? [16:23] evilvish: nope [16:26] thorwil: "Arrogance is thinking you are better than everyone else, while [16:26] Confidence is knowing no one else is better than you." [16:27] heh, yes, i did read that somewhere [16:28] thorwil: yea.. it's in all of his mails.. he mentions he came up with that.. but whoeve.. it's a nice one ;) === james is now known as Guest26472 [17:21] thorwil: It depends. The main problem with the gnome arrogance is that it's based within a limited social structure where very few people can act as peers or as users. [17:22] I believe it's only possible to be confident about ui design when you either have access to solid usability research, or have access to large numbers of _friends_ who are users. [17:22] Preferably both [17:22] * darkmatter agrees with doctormo [17:22] The gnome team is very inwardly looking, they don't have the social support to make sure their ideas aren't warped by their echo chamber. [17:23] Anyone outside of gnome isn't worthy of being listened to, or accepting rationally critique from. In fact the main modus is argument and defence. [17:31] doctormo: any luck with the logs? [17:32] evilvish: Remind me which logos? (I do lots of those) [17:32] ohmy! [17:32] doctormo: the art-owl logs.. ;) [17:32] Oh logs! misread, sorry [17:33] ah, i missed the last "o" too :) [17:33] I've emailed Elizabeth, nothing more I can do but wait for her to give me access to them. [17:33] doctormo: right,cool.. just making sure before i forget.. otherwise i'd remind you tomorrow and it would take another day :) [17:34] timezones suck! [17:34] that echo chamber and defensive stance thing is going on i a lot of places [17:34] whoever had the brilliant idea of making the world round! [17:36] * darkmatter reformats the world as a mobius strip [17:36] evilvish: timezone that ^ :P [17:38] hmm.. wouldnt be too bad.. only a few parts of the world would have light and some would/might never get light... we'd have a much more diverse collection of species. ;) [17:40] * evilvish steals darkmatter's planet idea for AVATAR2 ;p [17:40] hehe [17:43] thorwil: I agree, I kinda like elementary for being a little more open in that regard. [17:44] evilvish: Those planets exist, they're still round, they're just tidily locked to their star. Usually red dwarfs. [17:45] doctormo: _mobius_strip_ planets? [17:45] Nope, mobius strips are 3D objects, you want a 2D concept. A square will do it. [20:31] http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/backtestground-explained/ [20:39] thorwil, I think I am confused about this backtestbground... I did the python setup.py ,,, if I have an image how again do I run to-common-resolutions [20:40] coz_: in a terminal: to-common-resolutions filename [20:40] mm that didnt work but let me try again [20:40] (tab completion really shines with those longish command names) [20:41] coz_: if it throws out an error about something not found, you have an old tarball [20:41] to-common-resolutions command not found [20:41] oh [20:41] mm I just reinstalled it let me find a newer version then [20:42] coz_: wait [20:42] thorwil, could be I am on natty [20:42] coz_: do "echo $PATH" [20:42] and look for "/usr/local/bin" in that list [20:43] its there [20:43] oh wait [20:43] no its /usr/local/sbin [20:43] nope wrong again [20:43] there is a /usr/local/bin [20:44] bad day I think :) [20:44] coz_: what does "which to-common-resolutions" say? [20:44] nothing [20:45] coz_: you read and followed INSTALL? [20:45] I believe so but let me do it again hold on [20:49] setup script did not provide a directory for '' -- installing right in 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg' [20:50] coz_: paste files.txt [20:52] damn ok didnt work but let me come back .. family is needing me to do things...be back in a bit [20:56] unfortunately, i have to log out for today. sorry to coz_