[00:13] <Dangr_> Test
[03:05] <MrAnthrope> So, I had a bash script in usr/local/bin and I was using Compiz Commands to activate it. But I had to reinstall ubuntu and now it's not working. I'm pretty sure I have everything exactly the same. Can't figure out what's wrong.
[03:05] <MrAnthrope> The script name used to auto-complete in the Run box but it's not doing that anymore. Is my script in the wrong folder?
[03:06] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: Did you make sure to chmod +x script?
[03:07] <MrAnthrope> Ah, that's my problem. Thank you.
[03:07] <MrAnthrope> I didn't think I had to do that to it again since it's the exact same file as before.
[03:08] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: File permissions don't stay with the file. They're handled by the filesystem
[03:08] <MrAnthrope> ahh
[03:10] <Doublekill> hello
[03:10] <Doublekill> somebody knows why i have not sound in ubuntu ??
[03:10] <Doublekill> is a problem whit alsa
[03:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> Doublekill, you installed a fresh copy now?
[03:11] <Doublekill> yes but I still having and error message
[03:11] <Doublekill> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[03:12] <Doublekill> I do not knows what that means
[03:12] <Doublekill> somebody help me
[03:13] <Doublekill> I need to play DOTA and I need hear the sound
[03:13] <Doublekill> please
[03:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> Doublekill, idk about the error. but I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=590842
[03:14] <Doublekill> thanks let me see that
[03:15] <IAmNotThatGuy> also found http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1094196
[04:55] <winged_arel> so, i just did a Wubi install of Ubuntu 10.04.1 onto a windows box, went to update it, so it updated "grub-pc" and now i have a grub rescue boot instead of a windows boot menu. any ideas how to fix it without booting to a windows and restoring the MBR?
[04:56] <aveilleux> winged_arel: The problem is that grub-pc doesn't properly handle Wubi installations. Since Wubi uses the Windows bootloader, you'll have to restore Windows' MBR.
[04:57] <winged_arel> alright thanks
[04:57]  * winged_arel needs to find a vista disc now
[04:57] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1453237
[04:58] <aveilleux> winged_arel: More directly: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Wubi_9.10
[04:58] <winged_arel> thanks
[05:13] <bodhizazen> 'lo starcraftman
[05:23] <nit-wit> winged_arel would you like the MS bootloader or lilo the liux replacement
[05:23] <nit-wit> *linux
[05:24] <bioterror> with wubi? as the wubi is using windows own chainloader to boot that ubuntu
[05:25] <bioterror> the problem occurs when ubuntu updates grub
[06:18] <charliemac> hello?
[06:20] <nit-wit> charliemac, whats up
[06:21] <charliemac> How can I determine the most suitable ubuntu OS for me?  Regular, Kubuntu, or Xubuntu, for example?
[06:22] <holstein> check them out live
[06:22] <head_victim> charliemac: the best way is to just try a few of them to be honest
[06:22] <holstein> thats easy enough
[06:23] <holstein> you dont have to decide though
[06:23] <holstein> you can run them all at once :)
[06:23] <holstein> ubuntu + the KDE environment = kubuntu
[06:23] <holstein> IF you have gnome and KDE both, you have ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:23] <nit-wit> charliemac, thats the ticket.;)
[06:24] <holstein> and can decide between them at bot
[06:24] <holstein> boot*
[06:24] <holstein> login even
[06:24] <holstein> hardware specs might help me make that decision
[06:25] <charliemac> I have an old laptop which I'd like to upgrade from windows xp to one of the linux-based ubuntu's.  I was planning to reformat the hard drive, starting from scratch
[06:27] <charliemac> hoping i can get it to run faster but without loosing too many features.
[06:29] <charliemac> How can I install both Ubuntu and Kubuntu replacing windows XP?  Would I have to install each of them seperately?
[06:31] <holstein> charliemac: you wouldnt
[06:31] <holstein> you would install ubuntu
[06:31] <holstein> and inside that installation
[06:31] <holstein> you would install KDE
[06:31] <holstein> no need to have ubuntu and kubuntu dual booting
[06:31] <holstein> ubuntu = kubuntu = xubuntu
[06:32] <holstein> just different desktop environments
[06:32] <holstein> different packages
[06:32] <charliemac> So can any one of them alternate between GNOME, KDE, and Xfce?
[06:33] <holstein> sure
[06:33] <holstein> if you have fast internet
[06:33] <holstein> and some discs
[06:33] <holstein> i think its handy to look at the live CD's though
[06:34] <holstein> but yeah, you can install any of the environments you want
[06:34] <holstein> and configure them as you please :)
[06:35] <head_victim> charliemac: if it's still a bit slow I'd give Lubuntu a try on your laptop if it's a bit older and lower spec'd
[06:35] <head_victim> It's what I run on lower end P4s here
[06:35] <holstein> yeah, i think LXDE is quite a bit lighter feeling than XFCE
[06:40] <charliemac> Can Lubuntu run all of the same programs?  I am most interested in Firefox and OpenOffice.
[06:41] <holstein> charliemac: yup
[06:42] <holstein> you have some issues running KDE apps for example
[06:42] <holstein> in gnome
[06:42] <holstein> not really issues
[06:42] <holstein> you need a lot of KDE files
[06:42] <holstein> and i think most folks just dont want that much extra stuff
[06:42] <holstein> for just one KDE app
[06:42] <holstein> but you can run whatever you want
[06:43] <holstein> charliemac: i usually say that with linux, the answer is pretty much almost always yes
[06:43] <holstein> its just how-to, and do you want to bother with it
[06:43] <charliemac> How would I integrate the extra KDE files that were needed?  would they be automatic downloads?
[06:44] <holstein> dependancies
[06:44] <holstein> youd be prometed about all the extra KDE packages you need
[06:44] <holstein> during the install
[06:44] <holstein> you wont miss anything with lubuntu though
[06:45] <charliemac> Prompted during install of each individual KDE application/program?
[06:45] <holstein> you would go to some package manager
[06:45] <holstein> lets say synaptic
[06:46] <holstein> you choose some KDE app
[06:46] <holstein> and you get a confirmation popup
[06:46] <holstein> with all the packages that are about to be installed
[06:46] <holstein> the one/ones you chose
[06:46] <holstein> and the dependancies
[06:46] <holstein> not sure how the new software center does this
[06:47] <holstein> it might hide some of that in the background
[06:47] <charliemac> What do they mean by "dependancies"?
[06:47] <holstein> this depends on that
[06:48] <holstein> a KDE application could depend on having a lot of the KDE environment installed
[06:48] <holstein> chrome browser might depend on chrome-dev or whatever
[06:49] <charliemac> Ok.
[06:50] <charliemac> So if the computer can't handle a program, it will find a way?
[06:50] <holstein> you mean spec-wise?
[06:50] <holstein> if you dont have enough ram or whatever
[06:51] <holstein> depends
[06:51] <charliemac> Sorry, no, hardware.  Hard drive has about 80GB, and ram isn't too bad.  Main issue is overheating
[06:52] <holstein> might have to open it up and get the cat hair out ;)
[06:52] <charliemac> True, but I've also heard that Ubuntu uses less power etc
[06:53] <holstein> depends
[06:53] <holstein> linux isnt magic
[06:53] <holstein> will it be lighter on resources?
[06:53] <holstein> probably
[06:54] <holstein> if you set it up that way
[06:54] <holstein> if you have a hardware problem though...
[06:54] <charliemac> Opening now.  Lets see what we've got inside...
[06:54] <holstein> anyways, having a spare laptop, and wiping it
[06:54] <holstein> and going for it
[06:54] <holstein> is a good way to do it
[06:55] <charliemac> Gateway laptop, hence the poor ventilation
[06:56] <holstein> if you have it open, make sure the CPU cooler is where its suppose to be
[06:56] <holstein> and all hte fans work
[06:56] <holstein> the*
[06:56]  * holstein is going to crash
[06:56] <holstein> GN all
[06:56] <holstein> good luck charliemac :)
[06:56] <charliemac> ty
[07:01] <charliemac> Thanks very much, holstein!
[07:17] <charliemac> Why would someone prefer KDE over GNOME or vice-versa?  What about Xfce and LXDE?
[07:18] <Cheri703> charliemac: it's 90% personal preference
[07:18] <Cheri703> there are some programs that only work in one desktop environment or another
[07:18] <Cheri703> but overall it's just personal preference
[07:20] <charliemac> I'm running Ubuntu installer for windows so I can try out the different versions of Ubuntu, what does the installation size I choose mean?
[07:20] <Cheri703> not sure what you're referring to as far as installation size
[07:23] <charliemac> I think it has to do with allocation of drive space to the new environment within windows
[07:24] <charliemac> Which variation(s) of Ubuntu can run windows within Ubuntu?
[07:24] <Cheri703> ah, you're using wubi?
[07:24] <Cheri703> installing within windows?
[07:24] <Cheri703> you can install a virtual machine in any (as far as I know)
[07:46] <LeTronique> i have two partitions. one with windows. the other with ubuntu. i created unallocated space using windows. how to i merge it with ubuntu?
[07:48] <bioterror> boot with livecd and use gparted
[07:50] <LeTronique> would that be the backup cd i made before installing ubuntu?
[07:50] <bioterror> how did you install ubuntu
[07:51] <LeTronique> downloaded it from the ubuntu page then made an image
[07:51] <bioterror> well, if you installed from CD, that CD is a live
[07:51] <LeTronique> ah cool... thanks a lot bioterror
[08:08] <charliemac> Thanks, Cheri703 Sorry for the delay! ;)
[08:08] <Cheri703> np :)
[09:11] <charliemac> is Kubuntu more or less basic than Ubuntu, i.e., is KDE more or less basic than GNOME?
[09:14] <oCean> charliemac: essentially, it's just a difference in appearance. Under the kde/gnome hood there is still the same ubuntu
[09:16] <charliemac> So both environments support similar applications/programs?
[09:16] <oCean> indeed
[09:19] <charliemac> I'm afraid that if I go with a "lighter" version, like xubuntu or lubuntu, that I may be stuck with fewer capabilities.
[09:20] <charliemac> hopefully i'm wrong...
[09:22] <charliemac> If I go with a "lighter" version, like xubuntu or lubuntu, may I be stuck with fewer capabilities?
[09:23] <oCean> for most common tasks the lighter versions have applications too; most of these applications are likely to be "lighter" versions, with less options for example.
[09:24] <charliemac> Is it possible for a lighter version to run the software of a heavier version, for lack of a better term?  ; )
[09:25] <Cheri703> charliemac: not necessarily
[09:25] <Cheri703> it's sort of how xp can't always run vista/win7 programs...kde can't (without installing extra stuff) run gnome programs
[09:26] <Cheri703> (at least that's how I understand everything)
[09:26] <oCean> yes, but that would most likely require installation of the libraries for the "heavier" version. Like installing k3b (cd creation/burning software) would require installation of large part of the KDE libraries
[09:26] <oCean> correct, installing additional libraries is not necessary in all cases
[09:27] <charliemac> Which would have the most comprehensive libraries?
[09:27] <charliemac> Which version is most capable?
[09:28] <Cheri703> gnome or kde
[09:30] <charliemac> Why does Mythbuntu us Xfce if it is less advanced?
[09:30] <Cheri703> it's not really about advanced or not
[09:30] <Cheri703> it's about available programs/compatibility
[09:35] <charliemac> In that case, which has a greater reputation for being more user-friendly to beginners?
[09:35] <stlsaint> charliemac: resource usage also ;)
[09:37] <charliemac> Does anyone know of a good Venn diagram? ;)
[09:39] <Cheri703> gnome is generally a good place to start
[09:39] <Cheri703> more support available, more people knowledgeable about it, etc
[09:40] <Cheri703> kde is next in line on those topics, then the others I'm not sure what order they'd fall
[09:42] <charliemac> One reason I was interested in Kubuntu is that "Kubuntu plays most music and video formats out the box; restricted formats such as MP3 are installed with two clicks when needed." <kubuntu.org/feature-tour>
[09:42] <Cheri703> eh, you can install them in a few clicks in generic ubuntu as well
[09:43] <charliemac> Does original/regular/standard ubuntu come with Amarok as its default multimedia player?
[09:50] <Cheri703> rhythmbox, but you can install amarok (as far as I'm aware)
[09:56] <charliemac> Where can I find out the amount of system resources and power each version uses?
[11:33]  * ibuclaw can't believe someone managed to get the name 'go'
[11:36] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:40] <duanedesign> geirha: do you have an always on IRC client or do you part when you are AFK.
[12:03] <geirha> duanedesign: irssi in screen at a university server, so I only part when it goes down for patching. :)
[12:03] <duanedesign> geirha: me too
[12:03] <duanedesign> :)
[12:04] <geirha> And I hate rebuilding the screen every time that happens :S
[12:04] <duanedesign> heh, i know what you mean
[12:05] <duanedesign> geirha: have you heard of, or had a chance to use IRC Cloud
[12:05] <geirha> No to both
[12:05] <duanedesign> browser based IRC client that gives you some of the benefits of an always on IRC Client
[12:06] <duanedesign> the few I have talked too that have used it seem to like it
[12:06] <geirha> Oh, interesting
[12:07] <geirha> webui looks decent
[12:10] <geirha> Hm. But you have to pay to connect to freenode
[15:26] <wolfpack> When i try to branch through bazaar I get this error---"ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. "..Is there any way around to solve this??
[15:59] <bodhizazen> stlsaint: poke =)
[17:14] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: hey
[17:50] <red-raven> hey.
[17:50] <aveilleux> hello red-raven
[17:52] <MrChrisDruif> Hai red-raven, how's it going?
[17:55] <red-raven_> hey sorry about that. anyways...
[17:55] <red-raven_> hello aveilleux. quick question about Ubuntu (desktop). i want to use it as a server, but i need it to be able to : tunnel my traffic (to aviod firewalls), share files anywhere in the world, and host websites. the last one is an "i might use it in the future" thing. also, can i create user names and passwords for people to connect from anywhere?
[17:56] <red-raven_> sry for a miilion questions in one sentence. can't be here for too long/
[17:56] <red-raven_> and bad spelling :P
[17:59] <aveilleux> red-raven_: All of these things can all be done on both the server and desktop versions, you just have to forward the right ports through your router.
[17:59] <red-raven_> sweet! is it all built in or do i neeed to install stuff like apache?
[18:01] <aveilleux> red-raven_: For tunneling, you should change your SSH port ( http://techie-buzz.com/foss/change-default-ssh-port-in-linux.html ) and SSH (built in to Ubuntu) can be used for tunneling (PuTTY on Windows can handle that). Filesharing can be done through Samba, which should be built-in. Apache is the http server, which you can install through: sudo apt-get install apache
[18:02] <aveilleux> red-raven_: I do not condone using a proxy to circumvent firewalls, but the technology is there.
[18:02] <red-raven_> yah but tuneling also keeps you more secure.
[18:02] <red-raven_> will ssh handle security though? like keeping out boots etc?
[18:03] <aveilleux> red-raven_: It encrypts your connection from your server to the client, but any traffic after that is unencrypted. If that's all you need (ex. your traffic is monitored on the client machine) then that's fine.
[18:04] <red-raven_> ok. so say some idiot goes to a site and gets a virus on a client machine. can that virus spread to the server and other clients?
[18:05] <aveilleux> red-raven_: No, the traffic is not tracked on the server unless you specifically set it up/
[18:05] <aveilleux> up.
[18:09] <red-raven_> open SSH or FreeSSHd?
[18:09] <aveilleux> red-raven_: As for creating accounts, SSH just uses the local accounts. You can create limited accounts that have no permissions apart from SSH access.
[18:10] <aveilleux> red-raven_: sudo apt-get install openssh
[18:10] <red-raven_> oh. is ther a way to make it so that everyone whos using the server has a seperate log in when they connect>
[18:10] <red-raven_> ?*
[18:12] <aveilleux> red-raven_: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/678295-post4.html
[18:12] <aveilleux> red-raven_: also http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/678303-post6.html
[18:12] <red-raven_> thx. gtg!
[18:18] <wolfpack> aveilleux: I am working under some HTTP proxy. When i try to branch through bazaar I get this error---"ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. "..Is there any way around to solve this??
[18:23] <aveilleux> wolfpack: I know very little about bazaar, I'm not a developer. However I'm sure someone else in this room can help you. starcraftman maybe?
[18:25] <starcraftman> wolfpack: this a work proxy?
[18:25] <wolfpack> aveilleux: Is there anyway that I can tunnel through port 22......as only 8080 is allowed in my college
[18:25] <wolfpack> starcraftman: ya....proxy in college
[18:26] <starcraftman> wolfpack: hmmm, I see. American uni that puts a proxy up to stop all protocols like torrents huh?
[18:27] <wolfpack> yes
[18:27] <aveilleux> oh, I know this one. I was just helping someone with it
[18:27] <aveilleux> wolfpack: Do you have a computer outside the university network?
[18:28] <starcraftman> aveilleux: ya, that'd be easiest, if he has an external computer can tunnel to it or ssh to it and do lp/bzr via that.
[18:28] <wolfpack> no aveilleux
[18:28] <aveilleux> wolfpack: PM with me for a minute
[18:29] <starcraftman> wolfpack: TOR would probably let you get by proxy. Though might be lil slow depending on how much you plan on doing.
[18:29] <starcraftman> a thought at least.
[18:30] <wolfpack> is there any other way to work on devlopment work without using Bazarr?
[18:30] <aveilleux> wolfpack: Check your private messages
[18:30] <starcraftman> wolfpack: well Launchpad surely isn't the only version control system, there's always Github for GIT and code.google.com for SVN/HG
[18:30] <starcraftman> hg = Mercurial.
[18:30] <starcraftman> Not to mention sourceforge, the ol' standard.
[18:35] <starcraftman> wolfpack: ah, just looked a lil more, did you set the http proxy variable for bazaar?
[18:36] <wolfpack> i have not changed anything in bazaar
[18:38] <wolfpack> starcraftman: is it  required to set http proxy in bazaar?
[18:39] <starcraftman> wolfpack: I think so, still reading a bit on it. variable appears to be http_proxy, set it equal to the value of your unis proxy.
[18:39] <wolfpack> starcraftman: can you guide me how to do so?
[18:42] <starcraftman> wolfpack: think it's just set as a regular shell variable so: export http_proxy=URL_HERE
[18:43] <starcraftman> wolfpack: list of other configurations here > http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/ConfiguringBzr
[18:49] <starcraftman> quiet it seems
[18:51] <wolfpack> starcraftman: http thing didn't work...
[18:56] <starcraftman> wolfpack: bah, hate proxies. Well, hmmm, easiest way would be tunneling to an external like aveilleux suggested. Or TOR, TOR provides anonymized servers to external world donated.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29
[18:57] <starcraftman> I'm not sure enough on what uni's doing to offer an alternative. Have you tried GIT by chance and seen if that works behind network?
[18:57] <starcraftman> wolfpack: As a corollary, I'd also lodge a formal complaint to the IT department/dean that your being prevented from legally working on software development.
[18:59] <wolfpack> wolfpack: I hope they listen to ur complainet :)
[19:00] <starcraftman> wolfpack: well your complaint, you are paying for an "education" usually that involves collaborating with others, online, developing things....
[19:00] <wolfpack> No i havent tried GIT ....Can i branch any work from Lanchpad through GIT?
[19:01] <wolfpack> but they say that it will reduce their security..................
[19:02] <starcraftman> wolfpack: nope, Git doesn't have a plugin for working with bzr that I know of.
[19:02] <aveilleux> wolfpack: "They" don't understand the notion of security if they have to resort to using a blackout firewall
[19:02] <starcraftman> only bzr if ya want to work on a project hosted on lp.
[19:02]  * starcraftman concurs with aveilleux.
[19:02] <starcraftman> A hammer isn't well suited to swatting a flies.
[19:03] <aveilleux> wolfpack: What ports are you able to get traffic over?
[19:03] <wolfpack> 8080
[19:03] <aveilleux> wolfpack: And 80 I assume
[19:04] <aveilleux> Just 80 and 8080... My university did the same thing, but only for the public (non-protected) networks...
[19:04] <wolfpack> don't know ....
[19:05] <wolfpack> but i am able to connect to gtalk in pidgin using 443 ...
[19:05] <aveilleux> wolfpack: Oh. So they just blacklisted 20-22, probably
[19:05] <aveilleux> wolfpack: and a few others. Are you using 6667 to connect to Freenode as well?
[19:06] <wolfpack> no
[19:06] <wolfpack> that has been blocked :(
[19:06] <wolfpack> using webchat
[19:06] <wolfpack> I was about to say same thing about 6667
[19:07] <aveilleux> wolfpack: Oh, I know that they're doing. Alright. Most ports are open except a few "known hazards"
[19:09] <wolfpack> yes ... I guesss.....but those so called " known hajards" are important to me
[19:36] <aveilleux> Does anyone know if a boot CD exists that will boot, then kick into a USB drive? My laptop can't boot into USB but will boot to CD, and I have no floppy disks. (Or, at least, not any computers other than the laptop that can use floppies)
[19:42] <MrAnthrope> I'm having trouble finding java 6 in synaptic. Someone remind me what it's called?
[19:43] <MrAnthrope> I don't want openjdk...
[19:44] <MrAnthrope> Oh I forgot I have to add that repository or whatever.... right?
[19:46] <holstein> aveilleux: im reading http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[19:47] <holstein> i've used it live
[19:47] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: openjdk-6-jre
[19:47] <holstein> not sure about booting USB drives from it though
[19:47] <MrAnthrope> noo. I want sun java, aveilleux.
[19:48] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: afaik sun-jaba6 isn't in the Ubuntu repos anymore. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=java&searchon=names&suite=maverick&section=all
[19:48] <MrAnthrope> Yeah I forgot I had to add the sun repository, but I don't remember how to do that. :/
[19:50] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-install-sun-java-runtime-environment-jre-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[19:51] <MrAnthrope> Thank you, aveilleux :)
[19:52] <MrAnthrope> Last time I installed OpenJDK java did not work. At all.
[19:52] <MrAnthrope> Sun-Java seems to work fine, though.
[20:15] <MrAnthrope> yay I have flash and java. My life is complete.
[20:21] <charliemac> Does running LXDE on the standard/regular/original Ubuntu acheive the same efficiency as simply having Lubuntu?
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: Kinda, just try it :)
[20:23] <aveilleux> charliemac: Yes and no. If you're still using GDM as your login manager, then no,
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> For the next release Lubuntu will be switching a few default apps of LXDE, i.e. fileroller instead of Xarchiver
[20:23] <aveilleux> charliemac: But it's not as heavy as running GNOME on top of GDM
[20:24] <MrAnthrope> This might be a little off topic, but does anyone know how to get Virtualbox to see an external USB HDD?
[20:24] <charliemac> Can Lubuntu run Windows on a virtual machine the way GNOME can?
[20:25] <aveilleux> charliemac: What desktop environment you use has no impact on what programs you can run.
[20:25] <charliemac> What are the different login managers?
[20:25] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: Are you using the PUEL version? (not the OSE version)
[20:26] <MrAnthrope> No, I am using OSE.
[20:26] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: Then you can't.
[20:26] <MrAnthrope> Gah. Where do I get the PUEL version?
[20:26] <aveilleux> charliemac: There are quite a few. GDM (default in Ubuntu), KDM (Default in Kubuntu), XDM (very minimal), SLiM (also minimal but better-looking than XDM), TinyDM (in development)
[20:27] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[20:27] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: scroll down to "Deb-based Linux distributions"
[20:27] <MrAnthrope> Thank you, aveilleux. :)
[20:28] <charliemac> What is the default login manager for Lubuntu?
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> LXDM I believe it was...
[20:31] <charliemac> Is LXDM lighter than SLiM?
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> That, I don't know :)
[20:34] <MrChrisDruif> But they'll won't be far apart either :)
[20:35] <charliemac> Can Lubuntu use SLiM if I find that I don't like its default login manager?
[20:35] <aveilleux> charliemac: You can always change display managers
[20:35] <charliemac> (I still haven't chosen which varietal of Ubuntu to install on my laptop)
[20:36] <charliemac> What is the difference between a display mananger and a login manager?
[20:36] <aveilleux> charliemac: They're the same thing.
[20:37] <aveilleux> charliemac: Just a different name. "Display manager" is more appropriate because handling logins is just one part of a display manager.
[20:37] <charliemac> What is the difference between display manager and desktop environment?
[20:38] <charliemac> (LOL, can you tell I'm used to windows yet?!) ;)
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> Desktop Environment is a set of predefined apps and services :)
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> Like Gnome uses Metacity for Window management and GDM for login :)
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Nautilus for File manager
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> Xfce uses XFWM I believe, thunar and more stuff :P
[20:39] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Yes and no
[20:40] <MrChrisDruif> What's wrong with my explanation aveilleux? :)
[20:40] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: It's really the higher-level interface elements. For example, one may use Thunar in place of Nautilus and still run GNOME if one so chooses
[20:41] <charliemac> Which element has more influence on efficiency, speed, and power usage, the desktop environment or the display manager?
[20:41] <charliemac> Don't forget stability!
[20:41] <JackyAlcine> Thunar's another file management application? Better than Nautilus?
[20:41] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif, charliemac: The display manager runs in the background, handling events such as logging in and managing the X server. The desktop environment usually handles drawing window elements, panels, etc (but this is not always the case: Blackbox has a separate panel applet, for example)
[20:42] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: It's lighter in weight. I've found use is just about the same.
[20:42] <charliemac> How can you change the display manager when its running in the background?  Is there another platform that runs in the sub-background?
[20:42] <aveilleux> charliemac: Well, GDM is a unique case because it keeps open a GNOME session in the background (meaning there are two GNOME sessions running: One that is visible and one in the background). Otherwise, the DM doesn't have much of an impact on performance. The DE usually has a greater impact on system speed and stability
[20:43] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: You see display manager the same as window manager?
[20:44] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: They're becoming tighter and tighter integrated. Metacity is a part of the GNOME environment, and Compiz mimics its appearance while in GNOME.
[20:44] <JackyAlcine> Chris Druif: Display manager and window manager are different.
[20:44] <JackyAlcine> MrChrisDruif ^^
[20:44] <aveilleux> whoops/
[20:45] <JackyAlcine> ie) DM = GNOME, WM = Compiz
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> JackyAlcine: I know, I was asking if aveilleux was thinking the same...
[20:45] <JackyAlcine> I love Compiz so much though.
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> JackyAlcine: DM=GDM, WM=(in Ubuntu)Compiz
[20:45] <MrChrisDruif> Otherwise Metacity :)
[20:45] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: ^^. and not to mention GNOME Shell has its own WM (replacing Metacity and Compiz), and Unity does as well.
[20:45] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: If you have desktop effects disabled Ubuntu runs Metacity.
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> But who does that? O:-)
[20:46] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: I do
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'm proud of you :)
[20:46] <aveilleux> I'm glad for that :/
[20:46] <charliemac> Is Window Mgr part of the Display Mgr or the Desktop Enviro?
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> DE
[20:47] <aveilleux> charliemac: The Window Manager is defined in the Desktop Environment's configuration
[20:47] <charliemac> So how can you change the display manager when its running in the background?  Is there another platform that runs in the sub-background?
[20:47] <aveilleux> charliemac: The DM runs atop the console.
[20:47] <aveilleux> charliemac: Hang on, let me dig up an image I drew a while ago.
[20:48] <charliemac> Sry i should have said switch dm's, ow can you switch to another the display manager when its running in the background?
[20:48] <MrAnthrope> aveilleux, I installed Virtualbox PUEL and I still don't see my usb hdd.
[20:48] <aveilleux> charliemac: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs305.ash2/58503_1579130441659_1337580327_1548847_2562439_n.jpg
[20:48] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: You have to configure it in the VM properties
[20:49] <aveilleux> charliemac: That image is somewhat wrong; replace the words "window manager" with "Desktop environment" and it's correct
[20:49] <MrAnthrope> I added it as a shared folder.
[20:49] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: No, there's a separate USB section.
[20:49] <MrAnthrope> Oh I see it. Enable USb controller.
[20:51] <charliemac> Where can you select the display manager if its constantly running in the background?  Is there another platform that runs in the sub-background?  The console?
[20:53] <charliemac> Is the console part of the desktop environment?
[20:54] <aveilleux> charliemac: No. You don't change it live. You make a change then reboot.
[20:54] <charliemac> Aah gotcha.
[20:54] <charliemac> Does it require a download or are they preloads?
[20:54] <aveilleux> charliemac: If you wanted to switch from, say... GDM to SLiM, you'd install SLiM, then run the command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm, which would then ask you what DM you wanted to use. Then you would choose SLiM.
[20:55] <aveilleux> charliemac: Installing packages requires downloading the packages.
[20:55] <charliemac> Aha.  Thank you.
[20:55] <aveilleux> charliemac: They're all up on the repositories, though, so it's not like you need to download an installer and run it. You'd just run sudo apt-get install slim or sudo apt-get install xdm from the Terminal
[20:56] <charliemac> Are the only differences between SLiM and LXDM cosmetic?
[20:56] <aveilleux> charliemac: No. They're unrelated DMs.
[20:57] <aveilleux> charliemac: They're written by different developers.
[20:57] <charliemac> How does LightDM compare with SLiM and LXDM?
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: You said GDM stays running in background? =-O
[21:00] <aveilleux> MrAnthrope: GDM uses a separate GNOME session from the visible one. Let me find where I got that.
[21:04] <charliemac> Would it be more efficient (in terms of system resources) to run Amarok through Kubuntu or through Lubuntu with KDE library dependencies?
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> Why run Amarok? Aren't there alternatives without KDE lib dependencies?
[21:09] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif:  speaking hypothetically ;)
[21:10] <aveilleux> charliemac: Well KDE is pretty heavy
[21:10] <charliemac> Is KDE heavier than GNOME?
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: Yes
[21:14] <charliemac> Ok, so I think I've chosen Lubuntu for my notebook, which previously used WinXP.  Any wise words before my maiden voyage?
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> Come hang around in #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic? :)
[21:18] <charliemac> ok!
[21:19] <charliemac> What is the difference between #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic
[21:19] <bioterror> another is for support
[21:19] <bioterror> and another is for offtopic chat
[21:20] <charliemac> Ok i see it.
[21:26] <charliemac> Can I install Lubuntu over the old Hard Drive without burning a CD?  How can I use a flash drive instead?
[21:27] <MrAnthrope> Ooh that's how I installed Ubuntu this time. I like it much better than burning a CD.
[21:27] <aveilleux> charliemac: You can use UNetBootIn
[21:28] <MrAnthrope> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:43] <charliemac> +avilleux: thank you!
[21:43] <charliemac> What is the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit?
[21:44] <aveilleux> charliemac: 64-bit is optimized for 64-bit CPUs
[21:44] <aveilleux> charliemac: What CPU is the target machine running?
[21:45] <charliemac> How can I tell?
[21:45] <charliemac> It's got pentium 4
[21:45] <aveilleux> charliemac: Safe to say 32-bit then.
[21:47] <charliemac> Ok thanks again.
[22:32] <Eric_Taverna> i have two 120gb harddrives on my laptop and have vista but want to also install ubuntu what is the most effective way to do this
[22:33] <Eric_Taverna> i usually put all my progs on c: and media on d:
[22:33] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: It sounds like you use C:\ as a system drive, and D:\ as a data drive. Am I correct?
[22:33] <Eric_Taverna> yes
[22:33] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: What file system is on D:\?
[22:34] <Eric_Taverna> like fat32 or ntfs?
[22:34] <MrChrisDruif> Yes..
[22:35] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: Yes, that's what a file system is
[22:35] <Eric_Taverna> D:\ is NTFS
[22:36] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: Okay. If you partition C:\ and install Ubuntu onto it alongside Windows (in a dual-boot arrangement), then you can mount D:\ (probably called /dev/sdb in Linux) and access the data on it.
[22:36] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: You'll have to do some fstab (File System TABle) editing, but I can walk you through that
[22:37] <Eric_Taverna> What exactly is that? Sorry im really new to ubuntu
[22:37] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: fstab is the file that stores all the information about what drives are mounted where on the system
[22:37] <Eric_Taverna> So i need to edit that to tell the comp that i have ubuntu and vista on c:\
[22:38] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: No. You have to edit it to tell Ubuntu that your data is stored on the second hard drive, sdb.
[22:38] <Eric_Taverna> Oh ok
[22:38] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: In Linux terminology, sda = C:\, and sdb = D:\ (assuming Windows has no more than one partition per drive)
[22:39] <Eric_Taverna> I really want to get rid of windows but i have a zune and need windows to sync it
[22:40] <MrChrisDruif> Is that so? Doesn't Banshee or Rhythmbox work with Zune these days?
[22:41] <Eric_Taverna> I have been reading alot and it appears not..i actully have ubuntu install very sloppily currently so thats why i was asking about effectivness of installing both
[22:41] <Red-Raven> oh dear. the MP3 player Vs. Linux compatibility issue continues.
[22:41] <Eric_Taverna> it is the only thing making me keep windows
[22:42] <MrChrisDruif> Eric_Taverna: Maybe a better reason then Windows Gaming ;)
[22:42] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: You may want to consider single-booting Ubuntu and simply running Windows in a virtual machine, such as VirtualBox
[22:42] <Red-Raven> wine+itunes/Zune/whatever MP3 syncing program you want?
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> That would work too Red-Raven :)
[22:43] <Eric_Taverna> so u are saying install itunes and wine..run itunes via wine and itunes should recgonize my zune?
[22:43] <Red-Raven> then whats the problem here?
[22:43] <Red-Raven> yah should work.
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed...
[22:44] <aveilleux> Red-Raven, Eric_Taverna, MrChrisDruif: No. That won't work. http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=5741
[22:44] <Eric_Taverna> well then ill go give that a shot.
[22:44] <Eric_Taverna> Thanks so much guys!
[22:44] <Red-Raven> Welcome.
[22:44] <aveilleux> Red-Raven, Eric_Taverna, MrChrisDruif: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347
[22:45] <MrChrisDruif> iTunes got Silver, which should be usable right?
[22:45] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Usable with problems. Also, since when can iTunes sync to the Zune?
[22:46] <MrChrisDruif> Don't know..
[22:46] <Eric_Taverna> oh...
[22:46] <Eric_Taverna> so virtualbox then
[22:46] <Red-Raven> it can't. i was just listing syncing programs. wait, will Zune work with wine?
[22:46] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: No.
[22:47] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: I linked it first.
[22:47] <Eric_Taverna> how does VB work...in my research it seem that i still need windows installed...is that correct
[22:47] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: Nnnno. You install Windows *into* VirtualBox.
[22:47] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: VirtualBox is a virtual machine, meaning it's essentially a computer running within an operating system. Sort of like a "fake computer".
[22:47] <Eric_Taverna> i have recovery discs for vista will that work?
[22:47] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna: No.
[22:48] <Red-Raven> how do you get the windows ISO?
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> Eric_Taverna: No, I don't think so..
[22:48] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You buy it or "creatively acquire" it. The latter of which I can not and will not discuss in this room.
[22:48] <aveilleux> Eric_Taverna, check your PMs
[22:49] <Red-Raven> can you put OS X on a pc if you buy it legally?
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> Prolly you'll have a secret partition on your C:\, which the recovery disks uses to "recover" windows <_<"
[22:49] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: No, only on a Mac platform
[22:49] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: No.
[22:50] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It's possible to do, but against the Apple SLA and therefore illegal
[22:50] <Red-Raven> why? circuits are circuits. it can't tell the difference. is it the BIOS?
[22:50] <JackyAlcine> Red-Raven: something like that and some other things.
[22:50] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Macs don't have a BIOS.
[22:51] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: They use a system called EFI.
[22:51] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Also drivers for a lot of hardware don't exist for OSX.
[22:52] <Red-Raven> i heard about the EFI. but couldn't you just build a PC with all the necessary requirements?
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: Aren't all motherboard suppliers switching to EFI these days? Wasn't EFI supposed to the replacement for BIOS?
[22:52] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: "Was supposed to" back in 1991. There's no technological advantage and it's more expensive to maintain, so no one picked it up.
[22:52] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Apple uses it as OS DRM.
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> Red-Raven: Long answer: Yes (long haul, hackintoch blabla), easy answer: You want MAC OS X, buy a Mac :P
[22:53] <Red-Raven> so that must mean they have the exclusive on it.
[22:53] <Red-Raven> on EFI.
[22:53] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Well, no.
[22:53] <MrChrisDruif> aveilleux: What I've heard was the other way around...
[22:54] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: EFI was created and is maintained by Intel.
[22:54] <MrChrisDruif> It is/was difficult to add new components because of the language used for the BIOS
[22:54] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Yes but there's no reason to anymore, the way OS kernels are designed.
[22:55] <MrChrisDruif> Meaning aveilleux?
[22:55] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Actually not the language. BIOS has a limit on how much space it can have for code (which actually went up with the advent of 64-bit processors)
[22:55] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Meaning the BIOS is literally what it says: Basic Input/Output System. Everything else is handled at a higher level.
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but OC'ing (which happens a lot on BIOS level) is difficult to add in BIOS :P
[22:56] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: But most BIOSs have it built in already. And no, that's not BIOS. That's CMOS.
[22:59] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Additionally... there's no configuration in the Apple EFI. Selecting the boot disk is the extent of its abilities, plus a (very) limited recovery console. GRUB does exactly that just fine without EFI.
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[23:02] <Red-Raven> how do i tell if i have the SSH server on ubuntu desktop?
[23:02] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[23:02] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: If you have it it'll just exit. If you don't it'll ask to install it.
[23:03] <MrChrisDruif> But I've gotta go....alarm rings in about 7 hours <_<"
[23:41] <Red-Raven> how do i open SSH? and does SSH have a GUI?
[23:43] <holstein> Red-Raven: you can connect via ssh
[23:43] <holstein> to a machine
[23:43] <holstein> in gnome
[23:43] <holstein> under places - connect to server
[23:43] <holstein> that a GUI kinda
[23:43] <Red-Raven> yah. but i need to set up the SSH server first. is there a GUI for that?
[23:43] <holstein> but usually you just do it in a terminal
[23:44] <Red-Raven> does the server have a GUI you can use to set it up?
[23:44] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: It's automatically set up for you...
[23:45] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You just log in using your account credentials on the local machine
[23:45] <Red-Raven> oh. so then what? just forward the port 22?
[23:45] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes, but I advise against that. Change your SSH port number, THEN forward your port.
[23:45] <Red-Raven> how?
[23:45] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/change-default-ssh-port-in-linux.html
[23:46] <holstein> 22 is assumed
[23:46] <holstein> port 22*
[23:46] <Red-Raven> how do you get these links so fast? it takes me forever to find stuff in google that matches EXACTLY what i need.
[23:46] <holstein> thats what a person would be scanning for though
[23:46] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: I have a black belt in Google-fu
[23:46] <holstein> Red-Raven: maybe you need more input
[23:47] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Also I have a bookmark folder of links I save for common questions
[23:48] <Red-Raven> i have a million bookmarks, all nicely sorted. OCD style.
[23:50] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: I don't always use bookmarks, but when I do, I prefer folder organization.
[23:50] <aveilleux> Stay thirsty my friends.
[23:50] <Red-Raven> so once i forward the port i pick and run sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start i can connect from anywhere in the world?
[23:51] <holstein> depends on the firewall at your home
[23:51] <holstein> i have ports forwarded to my server box
[23:51] <holstein> forwared by my router
[23:51] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: SSH starts automatically with your computer
[23:52] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Otherwise yes... I forwarded my two ports (two different machines) and I use them to manage my servers remotely
[23:52] <Red-Raven> we only have basic windows firewall.
[23:52] <holstein> the router
[23:52] <holstein> if you have one
[23:52] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: No, he means your router, which has a port firewall on it.
[23:53] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: http://port-forward.com/
[23:54] <Red-Raven> thx guys. ill probably be back on later tonight or tommorow morning. cya!