| dpm | good morning everyone! | 07:15 |
|---|---|---|
| dholbach | good morning | 08:07 |
| kim0 | dpm: dholbach morning | 08:08 |
| dholbach | heya kim0, dpm | 08:08 |
| dpm | good morning dholbach, kim0! | 08:09 |
| dpm | hola randa! | 09:36 |
| randa | hey dpm :) | 09:39 |
| evilvish | !support | 10:21 |
| ubot2 | The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com | 10:21 |
| evilvish | jcastro: ^ :D askubuntu is the factoid... thanks to popey :) | 10:21 |
| popey | and everyone else | 10:22 |
| evilvish | is in* | 10:22 |
| * AlanBell wonders why vish is evil | 11:25 | |
| evilvish | AlanBell: well, due to papercuts, newcomers would PM some Q and they were not waiting for me to respond.. and it seemed they were not trying to use mailing list or other channels to ask their Q.. | 11:30 |
| evilvish | i cant be online 24x7 :( | 11:30 |
| evilvish | and i get to be closer to evilnhandler on the user list ;p | 11:30 |
| evilvish | new folks just assume that when someone is on the user list they are online right now and if they dont get a response immediately they are not too happy. :( | 11:33 |
| duanedesign | morning all | 11:38 |
| kim0 | duanedesign: morning man | 11:39 |
| duanedesign | hello mr kim | 11:41 |
| duanedesign | we finally got some snow here. \o/ First snow of the winter. Some years we only get one good snow | 11:42 |
| kim0 | yay | 11:53 |
| duanedesign | it is nice, occasionaly, as long as you dont need to be somewhere super important | 11:57 |
| * popey ponders being evilpopey | 12:23 | |
| popey | ah, no, I can just logon from iPad and be ipopey, which is just about evil enough. | 12:23 |
| nigelb | popey: or iPope ;) | 12:26 |
| doctormo | popey: You have an ipad? | 14:49 |
| popey | doctormo: i do | 14:57 |
| doctormo | popey: I guess someone has to be the guineapig. Although few guineapigs pay so much for the privilege ;-) | 14:58 |
| doctormo | Like phones, I'm waiting. Maybe 3 years | 14:58 |
| doctormo | I was super happy with my Galexy S Vibrent, and I waited _ages_ for a new phone while the market was in flux. | 14:59 |
| popey | I liked my HTC hero for a while, got annoyed at the lack of updates and awful software selection | 14:59 |
| doctormo | I feel the same flux with tablets atm | 14:59 |
| popey | switched to iphone | 14:59 |
| doctormo | popey: Wow, even if the HTC hero is aweful, I don't think you should buy an iphone just to troll me ;-) | 15:00 |
| popey | :) | 15:01 |
| popey | i love iphone | 15:01 |
| popey | there, i said it | 15:01 |
| popey | _so_ much more usable than android | 15:01 |
| popey | IMNSHO | 15:01 |
| doctormo | It's only a capitalist plot by the evil oppressors! apples are leading the charge against our freedoms, yadda etc... whatever. | 15:02 |
| doctormo | popey: You won't get a rile out of me, I know you know what FOSS is about. And I'm not here to prevent you being daft with your money ;-) | 15:03 |
| doctormo | Tell you what, wire $800 to me, I'll make you something and you can claim to have invested equally into ubuntu and apple ecosystems. :-P | 15:04 |
| * popey put doctormo back in the box | 15:04 | |
| doctormo | popey: Impossible! Although I do have to go mend a shelf. No rest for fighters for justice! | 15:05 |
| doctormo | By the way, are there going to be any more of those pod cast things you like doing? | 15:06 |
| doctormo | I quite like those | 15:06 |
| popey | yes | 15:06 |
| dholbach | I actually use Windows 7 most of the time - it just works, all this messing around to get X/Y/Z to work, not for me | 15:07 |
| dholbach | ok, I use Ubuntu when I give presentations... right | 15:07 |
| popey | in a VM :) | 15:07 |
| doctormo | dholbach: I guess someone has to use Windows. After all the can't be many windows users left, right. | 15:13 |
| dholbach | doctormo, exactly :-P | 15:13 |
| doctormo | See, this is why more people don't use Empathy for their IRC client. No stamina for suffering their own dogfood. | 15:14 |
| doctormo | Although I admit, it is quite crap. | 15:14 |
| dholbach | that totally depends on your use-case | 15:14 |
| dholbach | gedit might be our std text editor | 15:15 |
| dholbach | and for folks like my dad that's OK | 15:15 |
| popey | i dont use empathy because it's not a command line irc client | 15:15 |
| dholbach | but if I want a super-nerdy all-day-hacking editor, I might want to use something else | 15:15 |
| dholbach | for somebody who hops on IRC for the first time just to check it out, empathy is probably good enough | 15:15 |
| * AlanBell uses gedit as an all day hacking editor | 15:16 | |
| dholbach | AlanBell, I still guess you see what I mean :) | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | I hate eclipse and IDEs | 15:16 |
| doctormo | dholbach: We actually recommend webchat over empathy for user days. | 15:16 |
| jcastro | awww man, did I miss the ipad discussion? | 15:18 |
| doctormo | jcastro: Yes, we were talking about popey's castroness *ok very cheeky but what the hell* | 15:19 |
| jcastro | castro doesn't like tablets | 15:19 |
| dholbach | popey, unity --reset! THANKS | 15:19 |
| doctormo | jcastro: You don't? But I thought pads were the new bling. | 15:20 |
| jcastro | they tried tablets in like 1993, and they sucked then too | 15:21 |
| jcastro | I supposed they're good if you want to consume content, but creating it, not so much | 15:21 |
| jcastro | I need to type too much | 15:21 |
| evilvish | we should be injecting! | 15:21 |
| evilvish | nothing oral! | 15:21 |
| doctormo | My sister had one of those swivel monitor laptops with touch, you could play mahjong really well on it. | 15:21 |
| doctormo | No cd drive though, so when I put Ubuntu on it, she couldn't install anything else. *evil laugh* | 15:22 |
| jcastro | I supposed with swype a tablet could be cool, shrug | 15:24 |
| jcastro | they're too expensive, when they're $99 then maybe for a fancy xbmc remote or something | 15:24 |
| popey | dholbach: :) | 15:25 |
| doctormo | That's what I used my phone for, controlling wiimc is very nifty. BBC via internet all round. | 15:26 |
| popey | my son loves playing games on iPad | 15:28 |
| jussi | jcastro: here is your new tablet then ;) http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review-50002197/ | 15:34 |
| jcastro | so basically, a netbook | 15:35 |
| jussi | jcastro: detachable netbook, yes | 15:35 |
| jussi | If you want a tablet but don't want to sacrifice usability for portability, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer and its keyboard dock could be just what the doctor of computing ordered. | 15:35 |
| evilvish | i'm hoping to see someone using a galaxy tab , not sure how well it works as a phone+tablet.. | 15:44 |
| kim0 | evilvish: my friend did like it as a phone | 15:45 |
| evilvish | oh! | 15:45 |
| kim0 | shit .. did not | 15:45 |
| kim0 | evilvish: sorry | 15:45 |
| evilvish | kim0: ha! yea.. i do imagine it would be tough to carry it around.. :) | 15:46 |
| kim0 | waiting for a tegra2 tablet with Android-3 .. something that can dual-boot ubuntu would be insanely cool | 15:46 |
| kim0 | I dont even know if that's technically possible | 15:47 |
| * kim0 hoping to hear .. Yes sure it is | 15:47 | |
| popey | i guess storage will be the big issue there, for dual booting | 15:51 |
| popey | most of them only have a limited internal flash memory | 15:51 |
| doctormo | popey: I'm guessing science will come to the rescue. | 15:52 |
| popey | screw science! Lets play minecraft! | 15:53 |
| doctormo | popey the magicanic, sys admin of netopnick. | 15:54 |
| jcastro | <-- lunch | 16:04 |
| dholbach | alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - and see you tomorrow! | 16:30 |
| * dholbach hugs you all | 16:30 | |
| akgraner | woo hoo in case you haven't heard yes there will be 4 ubuntu women speaking at SCaLE 9x this year - Jane Silber and Leigh Honeywell are keynoting and akk and I are speaking as well.. woo hoo! | 17:02 |
| jono | Technoviking, ping? | 17:25 |
| doctormo | akgraner: Awesome! | 17:44 |
| akgraner | doctormo, I know right! :-) | 17:45 |
| jono | jcastro, what was the wiki page for the app indicators again? | 18:02 |
| jono | on the ubuntu wiki, where it explains how to hack on an indicator | 18:02 |
| doctormo | jono: this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators | 18:04 |
| jcastro | yep | 18:04 |
| jono | thanks doctormo | 18:05 |
| doctormo | np | 18:07 |
| doctormo | jono: Anything interesting you need the info for? I've been doing indicator hacking myself. | 18:07 |
| jono | doctormo, nope, just needed the reference :-) | 18:08 |
| jono | doctormo, what are you hacking on/ | 18:08 |
| jono | jcastro, didn't we have Python bindings documented? | 18:09 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Python version | 18:09 |
| doctormo | jono: You did, several blog posts and that wiki page has examples. | 18:09 |
| doctormo | jono: I've got some ideas I'm working on with them | 18:09 |
| jono | jcastro, I see the sample, but there are no API docs for Python - am I missing that? | 18:10 |
| jcastro | http://people.canonical.com/~ted/libappindicator/current/ | 18:11 |
| jcastro | this is all we have | 18:11 |
| jono | right, so just the C bindings | 18:11 |
| jcastro | right | 18:11 |
| jono | ok, no worries, I just thought we had Python bindings docs for some reason | 18:11 |
| jono | np | 18:11 |
| jono | introspection will fix this in future | 18:11 |
| jcastro | so basically "use the example, grab $whatever from the archive, modify to your needs" is what we have | 18:12 |
| jono | right | 18:12 |
| jono | I am just having the conversation to ensure we have docs for our dev work | 18:12 |
| jono | we have C bindings, but not Python ones | 18:12 |
| jono | which sucks a bit | 18:13 |
| jcastro | yeah, well, my opinion on not having any place for any ayatana/unity docs and APIs is well documented, heh | 18:13 |
| jono | jcastro, heh, well that is changing | 18:15 |
| jcastro | I'm just waiting for the dash to land today | 18:16 |
| jcastro | THEN I CAN GET TO WORK BABY. | 18:16 |
| jcastro | woo! | 18:16 |
| jono | jcastro, today?! | 18:18 |
| jono | nice! | 18:18 |
| jcastro | well, theoretically | 18:18 |
| jono | lol | 18:18 |
| jcastro | http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/gordlovesme.png | 18:18 |
| jcastro | there's gonna be a resizer thing on the bottom right corner | 18:18 |
| jcastro | so you can make it as overlay-ey as you want | 18:18 |
| jcastro | I think I just made that word up | 18:22 |
| jcastro | man ... tough crowd | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | ooooooohhhh | 18:29 |
| AlanBell | so the 1px border which was implemented to punish those in the 7th circle of hell and accidentally got rolled into the shipping distro will be fixed? | 18:31 |
| evilvish | AlanBell: that's screenshot is the dash.. i'm guessing, what you are thinking about is the windows and resizing? | 18:40 |
| evilvish | if so, yea.. the 1px ยป 3px invisible border thing got fixed in compiz.. and now just needs to be done in the theme.. | 18:41 |
| evilvish | that* | 18:41 |
| AlanBell | ah ok | 18:41 |
| AlanBell | so what is jcastro on about with that screenshot? | 18:42 |
| evilvish | AlanBell: the dash is the entry point when we click the main logo on the top.. | 18:42 |
| evilvish | kinda like the main menu | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | oh that | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | never use it | 18:43 |
| jcastro | AlanBell: yeah, that. | 18:46 |
| jcastro | they fixed the 1px border of doom | 18:46 |
| jcastro | the shadow will be counted as part of the border | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | cool | 18:46 |
| jcastro | hard to explain, but basically, it works awesome | 18:46 |
| jcastro | waiting on the theme to be updated though | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | the dash just does an odd collection of things I don't understand | 18:46 |
| evilvish | hehe! | 18:46 |
| jcastro | it's a launcher basically | 18:46 |
| jcastro | super-*type stuff* | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it launches some things (web browser and app store) and is shortcuts into the applications button for other things | 18:47 |
| jcastro | the search still hasn't landed yet | 18:47 |
| jcastro | but basically what was in 10.10 | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | yeah, doesn't make sense in 10.10 | 18:47 |
| evilvish | kinda sad seeing that everything that landed last cycle has to be re-done again.. :( | 18:48 |
| jcastro | it's all there, it just wasn't hooked up | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | "music" and "photos and videos" do *exactly* the same thing | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | both open the media category in the applications menu | 18:49 |
| evilvish | IMO, they should just stopped at the point when they realized that mutter was crap and switched to compiz | 18:49 |
| evilvish | and delayed Unity | 18:49 |
| evilvish | but, alteast we have proof that mutter is crappy ;p | 18:50 |
| jcastro | I'm pointing people who have performance problems with 10.10 UNE to Unity 2D | 18:51 |
| jcastro | which really rocks on my slow old laptop | 18:51 |
| evilvish | neat!! | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | never had a performance problem with it on a core i3 laptop | 18:52 |
| jcastro | this is an old core1 | 18:52 |
| jcastro | my current core i3 runs compiz unity just fine | 18:52 |
| jcastro | I need to take some time to hit the university next week, I am willing to bet unity 2d screams on ltsp clients | 18:55 |
| Technoviking | jono: the updated spreadsheet is on its way back | 18:57 |
| jono | Technoviking, thanks so much! | 18:57 |
| cjohnston | jono / jcastro Are yall aware of: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-January/005160.html - if teams decide to start removing themselves from -locoteams(-approved) on LP it could also start affecting loco-dir | 19:02 |
| Technoviking | jono: no problem, glad to help | 19:03 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: !!!!! ouch | 19:04 |
| Technoviking | jono: would like to talk sometime about what I can do help get IS support on getting the new Forums theme up and running | 19:05 |
| Technoviking | starting to feel the process is slowing down | 19:05 |
| jono | Technoviking, let's schedule a call | 19:05 |
| Technoviking | jono: cool, whenever that is good with you, Tuesdays and 11:30AM till 1:30PM Monday/Wednesday suck for me, can be free any other time | 19:07 |
| jono | Technoviking, I am off next week, tomorrow OK? | 19:08 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: ya.. | 19:09 |
| Technoviking | jono: sure, anytime after 9am MST | 19:09 |
| jcastro | speaking of, what did the FC think of my recommendations at UDS Technoviking? | 19:09 |
| jcastro | do they still want to kill me? | 19:09 |
| jono | Technoviking, cool I will ping and we can chat if that is cool | 19:10 |
| Technoviking | jcastro: yeah they do, but who doesn't a little bit:) | 19:10 |
| jcastro | heh | 19:10 |
| Technoviking | jono: sure, sounds good | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | pleia2: popey: I am about to add the -accessibility team blog feed to planet ubuntu unless anyone shouts NO! real soon | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | should be fine, thanks for the heads up AlanBell :) | 19:33 |
| popey | great plan | 19:40 |
| AlanBell | done, if I didn't mess it up | 19:42 |
| jcastro | akgraner: Bitesize Bugs you can help with: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 and http://goo.gl/tiheb | 19:45 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: bah, I've gone and poked mat about this | 19:57 |
| jcastro | akgraner: seesmic.com/app | 19:59 |
| Technoviking | jono: I don't know if Matt Z need these stats, but here they are Threads: 1,540,531, Posts: 9,805,319, Members: 1,226,996, Active Members (posted last 60 days): 55,605 | 21:12 |
| jono | thanks Technoviking :-) | 21:19 |
| AlanBell | http://planet.ubuntu.com I didn't mess it up :) | 21:26 |
| popey | oh jeez | 21:30 |
| popey | why did I have to click that and then see yet more posts on how to remove mono | 21:30 |
| Pendulum | popey: ignore that and just look at the current top post :P | 21:31 |
| doctormo | popey: I'm sure there'll be an apple ios article sooner or later. | 21:35 |
| popey | I can sort that. | 21:35 |
| doctormo | popey: Yes, I'm sure. But reading your own article isn't the same. | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | I hadn't seen the accessibility logo, that's great :) | 21:38 |
| popey | yeah, I thought that too! | 21:39 |
| jono | Pendulum, just making a coffee and then ready for our call | 22:24 |
| Pendulum | jono: sounds good :) | 22:25 |
| jono | Pendulum, all set | 22:32 |
| Pendulum | okay. skype, phone, which do you prefer? | 22:32 |
| jono | skype is best for me if that is ok for you, Pendulum | 22:33 |
| Pendulum | works for me | 22:33 |
| jono | feel free to call me up :-) | 22:33 |
| doctormo | nigelb: Looks like there is quite the interest in your user days, several comments on the deviantArt blog I posted. | 22:52 |
| Pendulum | doctormo: yay! | 22:53 |
| kim0 | forums are super slow | 23:01 |
| daker | kim0, i am getting : Database error | 23:04 |
| kim0 | Yeah | 23:04 |
| kim0 | who should we bug :) | 23:05 |
| czajkowski | jono: we good for our call next week ? kinda need to get back on track | 23:05 |
| jono | czajkowski, I can't next week as I am off work, can we talk tomorrow? | 23:23 |
| czajkowski | sure | 23:23 |
| czajkowski | jono: just gives a shout whenever and I'm here | 23:24 |
| jono | czajkowski, let's pick a time | 23:30 |
| czajkowski | ok | 23:30 |
| jono | czajkowski, 6pm UK / 10am Pacific? | 23:31 |
| czajkowski | jono: not working otomorow so what ever time you're free | 23:31 |
| czajkowski | jono: sounds good slot me in | 23:31 |
| czajkowski | Danke :) | 23:31 |
| jono | rock and roll :-) | 23:31 |
| czajkowski | :D | 23:32 |
| Technoviking | night all | 23:45 |
| pleia2 | kim0: they ordered new hardware for the forums, so no one to bug, it's known and being handled :) | 23:47 |
| kim0 | heh :) things are better now | 23:47 |
| czajkowski | can they order more servers for hte wiki, the constant errors are annoying | 23:57 |
| czajkowski | *the | 23:57 |
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