[07:15] good morning everyone! [08:07] good morning [08:08] dpm: dholbach morning [08:08] heya kim0, dpm [08:09] good morning dholbach, kim0! [09:36] hola randa! [09:39] hey dpm :) [10:21] !support [10:21] The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com [10:21] jcastro: ^ :D askubuntu is the factoid... thanks to popey :) [10:22] and everyone else [10:22] is in* [11:25] * AlanBell wonders why vish is evil [11:30] AlanBell: well, due to papercuts, newcomers would PM some Q and they were not waiting for me to respond.. and it seemed they were not trying to use mailing list or other channels to ask their Q.. [11:30] i cant be online 24x7 :( [11:30] and i get to be closer to evilnhandler on the user list ;p [11:33] new folks just assume that when someone is on the user list they are online right now and if they dont get a response immediately they are not too happy. :( [11:38] morning all [11:39] duanedesign: morning man [11:41] hello mr kim [11:42] we finally got some snow here. \o/ First snow of the winter. Some years we only get one good snow [11:53] yay [11:57] it is nice, occasionaly, as long as you dont need to be somewhere super important [12:23] * popey ponders being evilpopey [12:23] ah, no, I can just logon from iPad and be ipopey, which is just about evil enough. [12:26] popey: or iPope ;) [14:49] popey: You have an ipad? [14:57] doctormo: i do [14:58] popey: I guess someone has to be the guineapig. Although few guineapigs pay so much for the privilege ;-) [14:58] Like phones, I'm waiting. Maybe 3 years [14:59] I was super happy with my Galexy S Vibrent, and I waited _ages_ for a new phone while the market was in flux. [14:59] I liked my HTC hero for a while, got annoyed at the lack of updates and awful software selection [14:59] I feel the same flux with tablets atm [14:59] switched to iphone [15:00] popey: Wow, even if the HTC hero is aweful, I don't think you should buy an iphone just to troll me ;-) [15:01] :) [15:01] i love iphone [15:01] there, i said it [15:01] _so_ much more usable than android [15:01] IMNSHO [15:02] It's only a capitalist plot by the evil oppressors! apples are leading the charge against our freedoms, yadda etc... whatever. [15:03] popey: You won't get a rile out of me, I know you know what FOSS is about. And I'm not here to prevent you being daft with your money ;-) [15:04] Tell you what, wire $800 to me, I'll make you something and you can claim to have invested equally into ubuntu and apple ecosystems. :-P [15:04] * popey put doctormo back in the box [15:05] popey: Impossible! Although I do have to go mend a shelf. No rest for fighters for justice! [15:06] By the way, are there going to be any more of those pod cast things you like doing? [15:06] I quite like those [15:06] yes [15:07] I actually use Windows 7 most of the time - it just works, all this messing around to get X/Y/Z to work, not for me [15:07] ok, I use Ubuntu when I give presentations... right [15:07] in a VM :) [15:13] dholbach: I guess someone has to use Windows. After all the can't be many windows users left, right. [15:13] doctormo, exactly :-P [15:14] See, this is why more people don't use Empathy for their IRC client. No stamina for suffering their own dogfood. [15:14] Although I admit, it is quite crap. [15:14] that totally depends on your use-case [15:15] gedit might be our std text editor [15:15] and for folks like my dad that's OK [15:15] i dont use empathy because it's not a command line irc client [15:15] but if I want a super-nerdy all-day-hacking editor, I might want to use something else [15:15] for somebody who hops on IRC for the first time just to check it out, empathy is probably good enough [15:16] * AlanBell uses gedit as an all day hacking editor [15:16] AlanBell, I still guess you see what I mean :) [15:16] I hate eclipse and IDEs [15:16] dholbach: We actually recommend webchat over empathy for user days. [15:18] awww man, did I miss the ipad discussion? [15:19] jcastro: Yes, we were talking about popey's castroness *ok very cheeky but what the hell* [15:19] castro doesn't like tablets [15:19] popey, unity --reset! THANKS [15:20] jcastro: You don't? But I thought pads were the new bling. [15:21] they tried tablets in like 1993, and they sucked then too [15:21] I supposed they're good if you want to consume content, but creating it, not so much [15:21] I need to type too much [15:21] we should be injecting! [15:21] nothing oral! [15:21] My sister had one of those swivel monitor laptops with touch, you could play mahjong really well on it. [15:22] No cd drive though, so when I put Ubuntu on it, she couldn't install anything else. *evil laugh* [15:24] I supposed with swype a tablet could be cool, shrug [15:24] they're too expensive, when they're $99 then maybe for a fancy xbmc remote or something [15:25] dholbach: :) [15:26] That's what I used my phone for, controlling wiimc is very nifty. BBC via internet all round. [15:28] my son loves playing games on iPad [15:34] jcastro: here is your new tablet then ;) http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review-50002197/ [15:35] so basically, a netbook [15:35] jcastro: detachable netbook, yes [15:35] If you want a tablet but don't want to sacrifice usability for portability, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer and its keyboard dock could be just what the doctor of computing ordered. [15:44] i'm hoping to see someone using a galaxy tab , not sure how well it works as a phone+tablet.. [15:45] evilvish: my friend did like it as a phone [15:45] oh! [15:45] shit .. did not [15:45] evilvish: sorry [15:46] kim0: ha! yea.. i do imagine it would be tough to carry it around.. :) [15:46] waiting for a tegra2 tablet with Android-3 .. something that can dual-boot ubuntu would be insanely cool [15:47] I dont even know if that's technically possible [15:47] * kim0 hoping to hear .. Yes sure it is [15:51] i guess storage will be the big issue there, for dual booting [15:51] most of them only have a limited internal flash memory [15:52] popey: I'm guessing science will come to the rescue. [15:53] screw science! Lets play minecraft! [15:54] popey the magicanic, sys admin of netopnick. [16:04] <-- lunch [16:30] alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - and see you tomorrow! [16:30] * dholbach hugs you all [17:02] woo hoo in case you haven't heard yes there will be 4 ubuntu women speaking at SCaLE 9x this year - Jane Silber and Leigh Honeywell are keynoting and akk and I are speaking as well.. woo hoo! [17:25] Technoviking, ping? [17:44] akgraner: Awesome! [17:45] doctormo, I know right! :-) [18:02] jcastro, what was the wiki page for the app indicators again? [18:02] on the ubuntu wiki, where it explains how to hack on an indicator [18:04] jono: this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators [18:04] yep [18:05] thanks doctormo [18:07] np [18:07] jono: Anything interesting you need the info for? I've been doing indicator hacking myself. [18:08] doctormo, nope, just needed the reference :-) [18:08] doctormo, what are you hacking on/ [18:09] jcastro, didn't we have Python bindings documented? [18:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Python version [18:09] jono: You did, several blog posts and that wiki page has examples. [18:09] jono: I've got some ideas I'm working on with them [18:10] jcastro, I see the sample, but there are no API docs for Python - am I missing that? [18:11] http://people.canonical.com/~ted/libappindicator/current/ [18:11] this is all we have [18:11] right, so just the C bindings [18:11] right [18:11] ok, no worries, I just thought we had Python bindings docs for some reason [18:11] np [18:11] introspection will fix this in future [18:12] so basically "use the example, grab $whatever from the archive, modify to your needs" is what we have [18:12] right [18:12] I am just having the conversation to ensure we have docs for our dev work [18:12] we have C bindings, but not Python ones [18:13] which sucks a bit [18:13] yeah, well, my opinion on not having any place for any ayatana/unity docs and APIs is well documented, heh [18:15] jcastro, heh, well that is changing [18:16] I'm just waiting for the dash to land today [18:16] THEN I CAN GET TO WORK BABY. [18:16] woo! [18:18] jcastro, today?! [18:18] nice! [18:18] well, theoretically [18:18] lol [18:18] http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/gordlovesme.png [18:18] there's gonna be a resizer thing on the bottom right corner [18:18] so you can make it as overlay-ey as you want [18:22] I think I just made that word up [18:27] man ... tough crowd [18:29] ooooooohhhh [18:31] so the 1px border which was implemented to punish those in the 7th circle of hell and accidentally got rolled into the shipping distro will be fixed? [18:40] AlanBell: that's screenshot is the dash.. i'm guessing, what you are thinking about is the windows and resizing? [18:41] if so, yea.. the 1px » 3px invisible border thing got fixed in compiz.. and now just needs to be done in the theme.. [18:41] that* [18:41] ah ok [18:42] so what is jcastro on about with that screenshot? [18:42] AlanBell: the dash is the entry point when we click the main logo on the top.. [18:42] kinda like the main menu [18:42] oh that [18:43] never use it [18:46] AlanBell: yeah, that. [18:46] they fixed the 1px border of doom [18:46] the shadow will be counted as part of the border [18:46] cool [18:46] hard to explain, but basically, it works awesome [18:46] waiting on the theme to be updated though [18:46] the dash just does an odd collection of things I don't understand [18:46] hehe! [18:46] it's a launcher basically [18:46] super-*type stuff* [18:47] yeah, it launches some things (web browser and app store) and is shortcuts into the applications button for other things [18:47] the search still hasn't landed yet [18:47] but basically what was in 10.10 [18:47] yeah, doesn't make sense in 10.10 [18:48] kinda sad seeing that everything that landed last cycle has to be re-done again.. :( [18:48] it's all there, it just wasn't hooked up [18:48] "music" and "photos and videos" do *exactly* the same thing [18:49] both open the media category in the applications menu [18:49] IMO, they should just stopped at the point when they realized that mutter was crap and switched to compiz [18:49] and delayed Unity [18:50] but, alteast we have proof that mutter is crappy ;p [18:51] I'm pointing people who have performance problems with 10.10 UNE to Unity 2D [18:51] which really rocks on my slow old laptop [18:51] neat!! [18:52] never had a performance problem with it on a core i3 laptop [18:52] this is an old core1 [18:52] my current core i3 runs compiz unity just fine [18:55] I need to take some time to hit the university next week, I am willing to bet unity 2d screams on ltsp clients [18:57] jono: the updated spreadsheet is on its way back [18:57] Technoviking, thanks so much! [19:02] jono / jcastro Are yall aware of: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-January/005160.html - if teams decide to start removing themselves from -locoteams(-approved) on LP it could also start affecting loco-dir [19:03] jono: no problem, glad to help [19:04] cjohnston: !!!!! ouch [19:05] jono: would like to talk sometime about what I can do help get IS support on getting the new Forums theme up and running [19:05] starting to feel the process is slowing down [19:05] Technoviking, let's schedule a call [19:07] jono: cool, whenever that is good with you, Tuesdays and 11:30AM till 1:30PM Monday/Wednesday suck for me, can be free any other time [19:08] Technoviking, I am off next week, tomorrow OK? [19:09] jcastro: ya.. [19:09] jono: sure, anytime after 9am MST [19:09] speaking of, what did the FC think of my recommendations at UDS Technoviking? [19:09] do they still want to kill me? [19:10] Technoviking, cool I will ping and we can chat if that is cool [19:10] jcastro: yeah they do, but who doesn't a little bit:) [19:10] heh [19:10] jono: sure, sounds good [19:32] pleia2: popey: I am about to add the -accessibility team blog feed to planet ubuntu unless anyone shouts NO! real soon [19:33] should be fine, thanks for the heads up AlanBell :) [19:40] great plan [19:42] done, if I didn't mess it up [19:45] akgraner: Bitesize Bugs you can help with: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 and http://goo.gl/tiheb [19:57] cjohnston: bah, I've gone and poked mat about this [19:59] akgraner: seesmic.com/app [21:12] jono: I don't know if Matt Z need these stats, but here they are Threads: 1,540,531, Posts: 9,805,319, Members: 1,226,996, Active Members (posted last 60 days): 55,605 [21:19] thanks Technoviking :-) [21:26] http://planet.ubuntu.com I didn't mess it up :) [21:30] oh jeez [21:30] why did I have to click that and then see yet more posts on how to remove mono [21:31] popey: ignore that and just look at the current top post :P [21:35] popey: I'm sure there'll be an apple ios article sooner or later. [21:35] I can sort that. [21:38] popey: Yes, I'm sure. But reading your own article isn't the same. [21:38] I hadn't seen the accessibility logo, that's great :) [21:39] yeah, I thought that too! [22:24] Pendulum, just making a coffee and then ready for our call [22:25] jono: sounds good :) [22:32] Pendulum, all set [22:32] okay. skype, phone, which do you prefer? [22:33] skype is best for me if that is ok for you, Pendulum [22:33] works for me [22:33] feel free to call me up :-) [22:52] nigelb: Looks like there is quite the interest in your user days, several comments on the deviantArt blog I posted. [22:53] doctormo: yay! [23:01] forums are super slow [23:04] kim0, i am getting : Database error [23:04] Yeah [23:05] who should we bug :) [23:05] jono: we good for our call next week ? kinda need to get back on track [23:23] czajkowski, I can't next week as I am off work, can we talk tomorrow? [23:23] sure [23:24] jono: just gives a shout whenever and I'm here [23:30] czajkowski, let's pick a time [23:30] ok [23:31] czajkowski, 6pm UK / 10am Pacific? [23:31] jono: not working otomorow so what ever time you're free [23:31] jono: sounds good slot me in [23:31] Danke :) [23:31] rock and roll :-) [23:32] :D [23:45] night all [23:47] kim0: they ordered new hardware for the forums, so no one to bug, it's known and being handled :) [23:47] heh :) things are better now [23:57] can they order more servers for hte wiki, the constant errors are annoying [23:57] *the