[07:15] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <kim0> dpm: dholbach morning
[08:08] <dholbach> heya kim0, dpm
[08:09] <dpm> good morning dholbach, kim0!
[09:36] <dpm> hola randa!
[09:39] <randa> hey dpm :)
[10:21] <evilvish> !support
[10:21] <ubot2> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[10:21] <evilvish> jcastro: ^ :D  askubuntu is the factoid... thanks to popey  :)
[10:22] <popey> and everyone else
[10:22] <evilvish> is in*
[11:25]  * AlanBell wonders why vish is evil
[11:30] <evilvish> AlanBell: well, due to papercuts, newcomers would PM some Q and they were not waiting for me to respond.. and it seemed they were not trying to use mailing list or other channels to ask their Q..
[11:30] <evilvish> i cant be online 24x7 :(
[11:30] <evilvish> and i get to be closer to evilnhandler on the user list  ;p
[11:33] <evilvish> new folks just assume that when someone is on the user list they are online right now and if they dont get a response immediately they are not too happy. :(
[11:38] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:39] <kim0> duanedesign: morning man
[11:41] <duanedesign> hello mr kim
[11:42] <duanedesign> we finally got some snow here. \o/ First snow of the winter. Some years we only get one good snow
[11:53] <kim0> yay
[11:57] <duanedesign> it is nice, occasionaly, as long as you dont need to be somewhere super important
[12:23]  * popey ponders being evilpopey
[12:23] <popey> ah, no, I can just logon from iPad and be ipopey, which is just about evil enough.
[12:26] <nigelb> popey: or iPope ;)
[14:49] <doctormo> popey: You have an ipad?
[14:57] <popey> doctormo: i do
[14:58] <doctormo> popey: I guess someone has to be the guineapig. Although few guineapigs pay so much for the privilege ;-)
[14:58] <doctormo> Like phones, I'm waiting. Maybe 3 years
[14:59] <doctormo> I was super happy with my Galexy S Vibrent, and I waited _ages_ for a new phone while the market was in flux.
[14:59] <popey> I liked my HTC hero for a while, got annoyed at the lack of updates and awful software selection
[14:59] <doctormo> I feel the same flux with tablets atm
[14:59] <popey> switched to iphone
[15:00] <doctormo> popey: Wow, even if the HTC hero is aweful, I don't think you should buy an iphone just to troll me ;-)
[15:01] <popey> :)
[15:01] <popey> i love iphone
[15:01] <popey> there, i said it
[15:01] <popey> _so_ much more usable than android
[15:01] <popey> IMNSHO
[15:02] <doctormo> It's only a capitalist plot by the evil oppressors! apples are leading the charge against our freedoms, yadda etc... whatever.
[15:03] <doctormo> popey: You won't get a rile out of me, I know you know what FOSS is about. And I'm not here to prevent you being daft with your money ;-)
[15:04] <doctormo> Tell you what, wire $800 to me, I'll make you something and you can claim to have invested equally into ubuntu and apple ecosystems. :-P
[15:04]  * popey put doctormo back in the box
[15:05] <doctormo> popey: Impossible! Although I do have to go mend a shelf. No rest for fighters for justice!
[15:06] <doctormo> By the way, are there going to be any more of those pod cast things you like doing?
[15:06] <doctormo> I quite like those
[15:06] <popey> yes
[15:07] <dholbach> I actually use Windows 7 most of the time - it just works, all this messing around to get X/Y/Z to work, not for me
[15:07] <dholbach> ok, I use Ubuntu when I give presentations... right
[15:07] <popey> in a VM :)
[15:13] <doctormo> dholbach: I guess someone has to use Windows. After all the can't be many windows users left, right.
[15:13] <dholbach> doctormo, exactly :-P
[15:14] <doctormo> See, this is why more people don't use Empathy for their IRC client. No stamina for suffering their own dogfood.
[15:14] <doctormo> Although I admit, it is quite crap.
[15:14] <dholbach> that totally depends on your use-case
[15:15] <dholbach> gedit might be our std text editor
[15:15] <dholbach> and for folks like my dad that's OK
[15:15] <popey> i dont use empathy because it's not a command line irc client
[15:15] <dholbach> but if I want a super-nerdy all-day-hacking editor, I might want to use something else
[15:15] <dholbach> for somebody who hops on IRC for the first time just to check it out, empathy is probably good enough
[15:16]  * AlanBell uses gedit as an all day hacking editor
[15:16] <dholbach> AlanBell, I still guess you see what I mean :)
[15:16] <AlanBell> I hate eclipse and IDEs
[15:16] <doctormo> dholbach: We actually recommend webchat over empathy for user days.
[15:18] <jcastro> awww man, did I miss the ipad discussion?
[15:19] <doctormo> jcastro: Yes, we were talking about popey's castroness *ok very cheeky but what the hell*
[15:19] <jcastro> castro doesn't like tablets
[15:19] <dholbach> popey, unity --reset! THANKS
[15:20] <doctormo> jcastro: You don't? But I thought pads were the new bling.
[15:21] <jcastro> they tried tablets in like 1993, and they sucked then too
[15:21] <jcastro> I supposed they're good if you want to consume content, but creating it, not so much
[15:21] <jcastro> I need to type too much
[15:21] <evilvish> we should be injecting!
[15:21] <evilvish> nothing oral!
[15:21] <doctormo> My sister had one of those swivel monitor laptops with touch, you could play mahjong really well on it.
[15:22] <doctormo> No cd drive though, so when I put Ubuntu on it, she couldn't install anything else. *evil laugh*
[15:24] <jcastro> I supposed with swype a tablet could be cool, shrug
[15:24] <jcastro> they're too expensive, when they're $99 then maybe for a fancy xbmc remote or something
[15:25] <popey> dholbach: :)
[15:26] <doctormo> That's what I used my phone for, controlling wiimc is very nifty. BBC via internet all round.
[15:28] <popey> my son loves playing games on iPad
[15:34] <jussi> jcastro: here is your new tablet then ;) http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/asus-eee-pad-transformer-review-50002197/
[15:35] <jcastro> so basically, a netbook
[15:35] <jussi> jcastro: detachable netbook, yes
[15:35] <jussi> If you want a tablet but don't want to sacrifice usability for portability, the Asus Eee Pad Transformer and its keyboard dock could be just what the doctor of computing ordered.
[15:44] <evilvish> i'm hoping to see someone using a galaxy tab , not sure how well it works as a phone+tablet..
[15:45] <kim0> evilvish: my friend did like it as a phone
[15:45] <evilvish> oh!
[15:45] <kim0> shit .. did not
[15:45] <kim0> evilvish: sorry
[15:46] <evilvish> kim0: ha! yea.. i do imagine it would be tough to carry it around.. :)
[15:46] <kim0> waiting for a tegra2 tablet with Android-3 .. something that can dual-boot ubuntu would be insanely cool
[15:47] <kim0> I dont even know if that's technically possible
[15:47]  * kim0 hoping to hear .. Yes sure it is 
[15:51] <popey> i guess storage will be the big issue there, for dual booting
[15:51] <popey> most of them only have a limited internal flash memory
[15:52] <doctormo> popey: I'm guessing science will come to the rescue.
[15:53] <popey> screw science! Lets play minecraft!
[15:54] <doctormo> popey the magicanic, sys admin of netopnick.
[16:04] <jcastro> <-- lunch
[16:30] <dholbach> alright my friends - have a great rest of your day - and see you tomorrow!
[16:30]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:02] <akgraner> woo hoo  in case you haven't heard yes there will be 4 ubuntu women speaking at SCaLE 9x this year - Jane Silber and Leigh Honeywell are keynoting and akk and I are speaking as well.. woo hoo!
[17:25] <jono> Technoviking, ping?
[17:44] <doctormo> akgraner: Awesome!
[17:45] <akgraner> doctormo, I know right!  :-)
[18:02] <jono> jcastro, what was the wiki page for the app indicators again?
[18:02] <jono> on the ubuntu wiki, where it explains how to hack on an indicator
[18:04] <doctormo> jono: this one? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[18:04] <jcastro> yep
[18:05] <jono> thanks doctormo
[18:07] <doctormo> np
[18:07] <doctormo> jono: Anything interesting you need the info for? I've been doing indicator hacking myself.
[18:08] <jono> doctormo, nope, just needed the reference :-)
[18:08] <jono> doctormo, what are you hacking on/
[18:09] <jono> jcastro, didn't we have Python bindings documented?
[18:09] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators#Python version
[18:09] <doctormo> jono: You did, several blog posts and that wiki page has examples.
[18:09] <doctormo> jono: I've got some ideas I'm working on with them
[18:10] <jono> jcastro, I see the sample, but there are no API docs for Python - am I missing that?
[18:11] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~ted/libappindicator/current/
[18:11] <jcastro> this is all we have
[18:11] <jono> right, so just the C bindings
[18:11] <jcastro> right
[18:11] <jono> ok, no worries, I just thought we had Python bindings docs for some reason
[18:11] <jono> np
[18:11] <jono> introspection will fix this in future
[18:12] <jcastro> so basically "use the example, grab $whatever from the archive, modify to your needs" is what we have
[18:12] <jono> right
[18:12] <jono> I am just having the conversation to ensure we have docs for our dev work
[18:12] <jono> we have C bindings, but not Python ones
[18:13] <jono> which sucks a bit
[18:13] <jcastro> yeah, well, my opinion on not having any place for any ayatana/unity docs and APIs is well documented, heh
[18:15] <jono> jcastro, heh, well that is changing
[18:16] <jcastro> I'm just waiting for the dash to land today
[18:16] <jcastro> THEN I CAN GET TO WORK BABY.
[18:16] <jcastro> woo!
[18:18] <jono> jcastro, today?!
[18:18] <jono> nice!
[18:18] <jcastro> well, theoretically
[18:18] <jono> lol
[18:18] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/gordlovesme.png
[18:18] <jcastro> there's gonna be a resizer thing on the bottom right corner
[18:18] <jcastro> so you can make it as overlay-ey as you want
[18:22] <jcastro> I think I just made that word up
[18:27] <jcastro> man ... tough crowd
[18:29] <AlanBell> ooooooohhhh
[18:31] <AlanBell> so the 1px border which was implemented to punish those in the 7th circle of hell and accidentally got rolled into the shipping distro will be fixed?
[18:40] <evilvish> AlanBell: that's screenshot is the dash.. i'm guessing, what you are thinking about is the windows and resizing?
[18:41] <evilvish> if so, yea.. the 1px » 3px invisible border thing got fixed in compiz.. and now just needs to be done in the theme..
[18:41] <evilvish> that*
[18:41] <AlanBell> ah ok
[18:42] <AlanBell> so what is jcastro on about with that screenshot?
[18:42] <evilvish> AlanBell: the dash is the entry point when we click the main logo on the top..
[18:42] <evilvish> kinda like the main menu
[18:42] <AlanBell> oh that
[18:43] <AlanBell> never use it
[18:46] <jcastro> AlanBell: yeah, that.
[18:46] <jcastro> they fixed the 1px border of doom
[18:46] <jcastro> the shadow will be counted as part of the border
[18:46] <AlanBell> cool
[18:46] <jcastro> hard to explain, but basically, it works awesome
[18:46] <jcastro> waiting on the theme to be updated though
[18:46] <AlanBell> the dash just does an odd collection of things I don't understand
[18:46] <evilvish> hehe!
[18:46] <jcastro> it's a launcher basically
[18:46] <jcastro> super-*type stuff*
[18:47] <AlanBell> yeah, it launches some things (web browser and app store) and is shortcuts into the applications button for other things
[18:47] <jcastro> the search still hasn't landed yet
[18:47] <jcastro> but basically what was in 10.10
[18:47] <AlanBell> yeah, doesn't make sense in 10.10
[18:48] <evilvish> kinda sad seeing that everything that landed last cycle has to be re-done again.. :(
[18:48] <jcastro> it's all there, it just wasn't hooked up
[18:48] <AlanBell> "music" and "photos and videos" do *exactly* the same thing
[18:49] <AlanBell> both open the media category in the applications menu
[18:49] <evilvish> IMO, they should just stopped at the point when they realized that mutter was crap and switched to compiz
[18:49] <evilvish> and delayed Unity
[18:50] <evilvish> but, alteast we have proof that mutter is crappy ;p
[18:51] <jcastro> I'm pointing people who have performance problems with 10.10 UNE to Unity 2D
[18:51] <jcastro> which really rocks on my slow old laptop
[18:51] <evilvish> neat!!
[18:52] <AlanBell> never had a performance problem with it on a core i3 laptop
[18:52] <jcastro> this is an old core1
[18:52] <jcastro> my current core i3 runs compiz unity just fine
[18:55] <jcastro> I need to take some time to hit the university next week, I am willing to bet unity 2d screams on ltsp clients
[18:57] <Technoviking> jono: the updated spreadsheet is on its way back
[18:57] <jono> Technoviking, thanks so much!
[19:02] <cjohnston> jono / jcastro Are yall aware of: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-January/005160.html  - if teams decide to start removing themselves from -locoteams(-approved) on LP it could also start affecting loco-dir
[19:03] <Technoviking> jono: no problem, glad to help
[19:04] <jcastro> cjohnston: !!!!! ouch
[19:05] <Technoviking> jono: would like to talk sometime about what I can do help get IS support on getting the new Forums theme up and running
[19:05] <Technoviking> starting to feel the process is slowing down
[19:05] <jono> Technoviking, let's schedule a call
[19:07] <Technoviking> jono: cool, whenever that is good with you, Tuesdays and 11:30AM till 1:30PM Monday/Wednesday suck for me, can be free any other time
[19:08] <jono> Technoviking, I am off next week, tomorrow OK?
[19:09] <cjohnston> jcastro: ya..
[19:09] <Technoviking> jono: sure, anytime after 9am MST
[19:09] <jcastro> speaking of, what did the FC think of my recommendations at UDS Technoviking?
[19:09] <jcastro> do they still want to kill me?
[19:10] <jono> Technoviking, cool I will ping and we can chat if that is cool
[19:10] <Technoviking> jcastro: yeah they do, but who doesn't a little bit:)
[19:10] <jcastro> heh
[19:10] <Technoviking> jono: sure, sounds good
[19:32] <AlanBell> pleia2: popey: I am about to add the -accessibility team blog feed to planet ubuntu unless anyone shouts NO! real soon
[19:33] <pleia2> should be fine, thanks for the heads up AlanBell :)
[19:40] <popey> great plan
[19:42] <AlanBell> done, if I didn't mess it up
[19:45] <jcastro> akgraner: Bitesize Bugs you can help with: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 and http://goo.gl/tiheb
[19:57] <czajkowski> cjohnston: bah, I've gone and poked mat about this
[19:59] <jcastro> akgraner: seesmic.com/app
[21:12] <Technoviking> jono: I don't know if Matt Z need these stats, but here they are Threads: 1,540,531, Posts: 9,805,319, Members: 1,226,996, Active Members (posted last 60 days): 55,605
[21:19] <jono> thanks Technoviking :-)
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://planet.ubuntu.com I didn't mess it up :)
[21:30] <popey> oh jeez
[21:30] <popey> why did I have to click that and then see yet more posts on how to remove mono
[21:31] <Pendulum> popey: ignore that and just look at the current top post :P
[21:35] <doctormo> popey: I'm sure there'll be an apple ios article sooner or later.
[21:35] <popey> I can sort that.
[21:38] <doctormo> popey: Yes, I'm sure. But reading your own article isn't the same.
[21:38] <pleia2> I hadn't seen the accessibility logo, that's great :)
[21:39] <popey> yeah, I thought that too!
[22:24] <jono> Pendulum, just making a coffee and then ready for our call
[22:25] <Pendulum> jono: sounds good :)
[22:32] <jono> Pendulum, all set
[22:32] <Pendulum> okay. skype, phone, which do you prefer?
[22:33] <jono> skype is best for me if that is ok for you, Pendulum
[22:33] <Pendulum> works for me
[22:33] <jono> feel free to call me up :-)
[22:52] <doctormo> nigelb: Looks like there is quite the interest in your user days, several comments on the deviantArt blog I posted.
[22:53] <Pendulum> doctormo: yay!
[23:01] <kim0> forums are super slow
[23:04] <daker> kim0, i am getting : Database error
[23:04] <kim0> Yeah
[23:05] <kim0> who should we bug :)
[23:05] <czajkowski> jono: we good for our call next week ? kinda need to get back on track
[23:23] <jono> czajkowski, I can't next week as I am off work, can we talk tomorrow?
[23:23] <czajkowski> sure
[23:24] <czajkowski> jono: just gives a shout whenever and I'm here
[23:30] <jono> czajkowski, let's pick a time
[23:30] <czajkowski> ok
[23:31] <jono> czajkowski, 6pm UK / 10am Pacific?
[23:31] <czajkowski> jono: not working otomorow so what ever time you're free
[23:31] <czajkowski> jono: sounds good slot me in
[23:31] <czajkowski> Danke :)
[23:31] <jono> rock and roll :-)
[23:32] <czajkowski> :D
[23:45] <Technoviking> night all
[23:47] <pleia2> kim0: they ordered new hardware for the forums, so no one to bug, it's known and being handled :)
[23:47] <kim0> heh :) things are better now
[23:57] <czajkowski> can they order more servers for hte wiki, the constant errors are annoying
[23:57] <czajkowski> *the