[00:17] jasoncwarner1, you're running maverick right? Can you reproduce the problem (run killall gnome-panel a number of times and see if it occurs) [00:18] Oh, wow. Unity really really hates dual-head still. [00:19] robert_ancell: I have a vm of it...I'll do that in a few minutes [02:07] robert_ancell, what occurs? [02:08] bcurtiswx, duplication/corruption of applet icons [02:09] robert_ancell, any specific number of times [02:09] I've just installed a 10.04 box, with updates and the network manager icon in underneath the the indicator applet [02:09] robert_ancell, empathy got kicked out of the indicator applet [02:10] bcurtiswx, not sure, that killing is just suggested in the bug report [02:10] bug #439448 [02:10] Launchpad bug 439448 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 7 other projects) "Visual corruption affecting several panel applets (affects: 601) (dups: 121) (heat: 2994)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439448 [02:11] I can't reproduce in natty, but then there's pretty much just one applet anyway [02:11] i lost my status icon applet [02:11] so confirmed [02:12] bcurtiswx, which version of Ubuntu? [02:12] 10.10 :) [02:13] Which icon is the status icon? The me menu? [02:14] robert_ancell, yes [02:14] do you have a screenshot? [02:15] yes [02:15] one sec [02:16] robert_ancell, hey... got a minute for a quick vala question? [02:17] robert_ancell, screenshot attached to bug [02:17] kenvandine, sure [02:17] robert_ancell, do you know how to annotate a library written in vala so the annotations make it into the C file, and picked up by g-ir-scanner in creating a gir? [02:18] i am struggling trying to annotate libgwibber to get ownership right for the gir [02:18] and... i want the docstrings to make it into gtk-doc... [02:19] kenvandine, haven't tried it that way yet - I just assumed it would add the annotations into the generated files [02:19] nope [02:19] :/ [02:19] or can vala just generate a gir directly? [02:20] sort of [02:20] there is a tool that they say not to use anymore, in favor of g-ir-scanner [02:20] it creates a gi file, not gir [02:20] oh [02:22] so what i have not creates the gir, but drops a bunch of stuff that it can't guess the transfer for [02:22] which it didn't do in maverick, but g-ir-scanner is better now [02:23] and i haven't been able to find another library written in vala that generates a gir [02:23] * kenvandine just loves new technology :) [02:32] kenvandine, I think you're the guinea pig :) [02:32] indeed [02:32] bcurtiswx, could you give me the result of gconftool-2 -R /apps/panel/applets [02:34] * kenvandine asks in #vala === asac_ is now known as asac [02:40] robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/556039/ [02:41] bcurtiswx, thanks - so I see you've moved all your applets around. Could you log into a guest session and see if the same corruption occurs? [02:43] robert_ancell, you're the one I need :) [02:43] robert_ancell, I'm trying to package light-themes in Debian, however I ran into a minor visual problem that's annoying the hell out of me [02:44] AbsintheSyringe, screenshot? [02:44] robert_ancell, sorry about that http://foolcontrol.org/img/square%20edges.png [02:45] robert_ancell, i did killall too many times and it just stopped coming back [02:45] I moved the windows buttons from left to right side in gconf-defaults and that's what happens [02:45] robert_ancell, but i typed killall gnome-panel and it kept saying operation not permitted.. but the panel would appear to reload [02:45] i couldn't su because it wouldn't let me [02:45] how do I make that close button round, I even tried changing the images to make it round, but nothing helped [02:46] AbsintheSyringe, sorry, I'm not sure. I saw that when the theme was under development though [02:47] bcurtiswx, so you have no panel now? [02:47] robert_ancell, do you know who could/should I address that would know answer to this? [02:48] kenvandine, do you know who's looking after light-themes now? [02:48] probably me [02:48] AbsintheSyringe, you can file a bug here too: https://launchpad.net/light-themes [02:49] * kenvandine isn't really sure :) [02:49] i am probably the last one touched it [02:49] kenvandine, then can you help me with this one :) [02:49] robert_ancell, tnx :) [02:49] oh... changing the buttons.... ask cimi [02:50] he should be sleeping now... but try him tomorrow [02:50] * robert_ancell wonders if all the panel killing has killed bcurtiswx's session :) [02:50] kenvandine, could I have his email? [02:50] not sure i have it... i just ping him on irc :) [02:50] i can guess it if i could spell his name :) [02:51] AbsintheSyringe, https://launchpad.net/~cimi [02:51] robert_ancell, yep got it, tnx :) [02:51] kenvandine, google does wonders :) [02:52] AbsintheSyringe, hehe [02:52] exactly what i had done :) [02:53] :) [02:53] AbsintheSyringe, how's it going with the unity packaging for debian? [02:54] kenvandine, it's going quite well, kinda stuck with compiz part, but once I'm done I think I'll be good [02:54] great [02:54] kenvandine, that's why I wanted to package light-themes along with unity [02:54] so those two come in nicely [02:54] excellent [02:54] AbsintheSyringe, well ping me anytime! [02:55] kenvandine, I will! :) [02:55] right now i am going to try to forget about annotations/vala/gir stuff and hack on something fun :) [02:55] hey I thought this was fun! === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [03:08] bcurtiswx, still there? [03:08] robert_ancell, yes sorry was watching a DVR'd show [03:08] i killed it to the point of no panel [03:08] bcurtiswx, do you have a panel now? [03:09] with a 'gnome-panel --replace' yes [03:09] but if i kill it, it doesn't come back [03:10] i can reset the guest session and try again if you want [03:11] bcurtiswx, I'd like you to try rearranging your applets and see if it still occurs [03:14] robert_ancell, yes, after rearrangement on the guest session it occurs [03:23] robert_ancell, need anything else? [03:25] bcurtiswx, could you rearrange the applets in your normal session by unlocking them all (r-click, deselect lock to panel), then from right to left, moving each applet so it is aligned with the other applets on the right [03:27] bcurtiswx, then run the script in http://paste.ubuntu.com/556046 [03:28] robert_ancell, so all my applets will be on the right of the screen? [03:29] bcurtiswx, all the ones that are normally there in the screenshot. The config shows they're all being defined from the left of the panel, doing this should make them defined from the right [03:29] just the applets in the top panel on the right currently [03:30] robert_ancell, sorry that I'm slightly confused [03:30] all the top right panels.. [03:31] make them a mirror of what they are currently ? [03:31] um, hang on, it's hard to describe so I'll try and make a script that does it [03:42] bcurtiswx, ok, could you run http://paste.ubuntu.com/556053 and then killall gnome-panel and see if a) all your applets are back :) and b) they don't have any corruption issues [03:49] i saved that as a bash script [03:50] robert_ancell, ^^ + runthis.sh: line 4: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [03:50] bcurtiswx, run as 'python ' [03:50] OK [03:50] if I have a 1 GB usb flash drive and am on Windows Vista, can I create a persistant bootable ubuntu flash drive? If so how? [03:51] Smaug: See http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ [03:52] jmarsden: ty, am checking it out [03:53] Smaug: Ah, you may need a 2GB flash drive... but that site has many ideas on creating Linux USB sticks... [03:53] robert_ancell, let me restart my session [03:54] Smaug: I believe there is a version of usb-creator for windows somewhere, that will allow you to take an Ubuntu iso and put it onto your usb stick. Unfortunately I don't know where to get the windows version of usb-creator, other than from an Ubuntu iso/CD. [03:58] robert_ancell, after the script you want me to try to crash it again? [03:58] bcurtiswx, not crash, but just get the corruption you showed in the screenshot [03:59] robert_ancell, the indicator-me same thing [04:00] bcurtiswx, can you run the gconftool-2 command again? [04:01] robert_ancell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/556057/ [04:02] bcurtiswx, thanks, that was a red herring :( [04:03] robert_ancell, aww I was no help? [04:03] well, it ruled out one thing! [04:03] it suggests it's not manual rearranging that causes the problem [04:05] robert_ancell: would you be able to give me bug tasks on bug 705028? [04:05] Launchpad bug 705028 in thunderbird-locales (Ubuntu) "Update Thunderbird translations to 3.1.7 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705028 [04:07] micahg, what is the process for translations? [04:07] robert_ancell: well, I wasn't sure, I asked pitti a couple months ago and he said we could update in a stable release [04:08] normally the langpacks get updated, but this isn't in the langpacks and all this package has is translations [04:09] micahg, oh, so there will be a new release into -proposed? [04:09] robert_ancell: yes, that's what I'd like to do [04:09] and lucid-proposed is freezing soon for 10.04.2, so I wanted to get this uploaded tonight [04:10] micahg, ok, all done [04:10] robert_ancell: thanks [04:14] good night everyone :) [04:14] bcurtiswx, thanks for your help [04:14] robert_ancell, np anytime, feel free to ask [06:35] jasoncwarner1, did you try reproducing that gnome-panel bug? I'm having no luck here. Testing on a fresh 10.04 (updated) install, and not reproducing. I get a minor glitch on the show desktop icon, but it's not severe like the bug report indicates [06:39] RAOF, have you looked at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596923? [06:39] Gnome bug 596923 in notification area "notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [06:40] Do any of the screenshots look like xserver/driver corruption? [07:31] hi [07:33] is a way to increase volume in video file???????? [07:33] i have some video and volume is too low [07:35] ???????????? [07:36] !support | ggeorgy [07:36] ggeorgy: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org [07:37] i know [07:37] but [08:12] good morning [08:16] hey [08:21] salut seb128, ça va? [08:23] lut didrocks, ca va! et toi ? [08:23] bonne soirée? [08:23] the box is working? [08:24] seb128: yeah, very nice, thanks! and the box is working well. So nice to have a real connexion now :) [08:24] * didrocks will even put the webradio on to celebrate :) [08:49] bryceh: RAOF: I'm looking for the x11-common source to change the hook which was taken from an old revision of compiz. debcheckout gives me the debian git repo, I tried to changed debian by ubuntu knowing you have it on the debian git repo, but I can't find it, can you give me a clue? :) [09:00] Good morning [09:03] morning pitti [09:03] morning didrocks [09:04] hello pitti jasoncwarner1 [09:04] hey jasoncwarner1! [09:04] bonjour seb128 [09:04] pitti, how is the hacking going? ;-) [09:05] seb128: http://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/log/?qt=author&q=martin.pitt :) [09:05] hey didrocks or seb128, I'm doing a clean install (virtualbox) and upgrade to natty and I was asked the same question three times. Question is what modifier key to want to switch between national and latin input. Any reason I was asked three seperate times about that? ;) [09:05] pitti, I've seen the commits flying on #commits, great work! [09:05] jasoncwarner1, no, it's a bug [09:05] you shouldn't be asked at all [09:05] and I hope I can land https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639939 today or tomorrow [09:05] Gnome bug 639939 in introspection "GVariant creator is not recursive and does not support empty structures" [Normal,Assigned] [09:06] with that (and some extra sugar I'm working on) we'll get really good gdbus support [09:06] great [09:06] and s-c-p GI porting makes progress; but it's a huge task [09:06] hey jasoncwarner1 [09:06] seems there is quite some useful hacking going on there [09:06] the dx guys were happy that their dee issues seem almost sorted [09:07] seb128: thanks...I'm assuming a known bug then :) [09:07] jasoncwarner1, I think so [09:07] yeah, probably similar to the one where some people was added a keyboard layout randomly [09:08] I got added Latin America for instance… and so the keyboard layout indicator appeared [09:09] didrocks: yeah, same here...I have USA up all the time now [09:10] if I reset to "default", I have French, USA and Afghanistan [09:11] of course, the tty is USA to make things easy and fun :) [09:14] good morning pitti [09:14] didrocks, run gnome-session-properties? [09:15] didrocks, the default dialog geometry is suboptimal without the tab, we should perhaps set it differently? [09:15] seb128: yeah, it's not very good and I'm not happy with it. I didn't test to remove the tab [09:56] seb128: merci for the gnome3 status report [09:56] pitti, you're welcome === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [10:15] seb128: do you know if someone is working on removing the resizing corner from the panel? [10:19] pitti, I did it yesterday, that didn't work? [10:19] well I sponsored the patch from bratsche for it rather [10:19] seb128: ah, I guess I need to restart my session then [10:19] pitti: is there a simple way to know in apport what was the pid of the crashed application? [10:19] pitti, just gnome-panel --replace? [10:20] seb128: with the new X stack, suspend just works way too well :) [10:20] great [10:20] I survived 4 days without rebooting [10:20] and only rebooted to get the desktop updates, not because anything was broken [10:20] bryceh, RAOF ^ FYI [10:21] seb128: ah, yes; thanks [10:21] pitti, works? [10:21] yup [10:22] great [10:24] pitti: I think you missed it: "is there a simple way to know in apport what was the pid of the crashed application?" (I don't find any examples in the existing hooks) [10:26] didrocks: indeed we don't store this directly, as it's not that interesting mostly; but it should be in one of the Proc* attributes? [10:27] didrocks: yep, it's in ProcStatus, "Pid:", "PPid: ec. [10:27] "etc." [10:28] pitti: excellent, thanks :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:37] hello didrocks :) [11:37] didrocks: hope your new year is going well. [11:40] duanedesign: hey! yes, fantastic, thanks, and you? [11:43] didrocks: still looking for long term employment. been getting lots of short term stuff. But things seem to be improving. [11:45] duanedesign: crossing fingers for you for this new year :) [11:47] didrocks: thank you, I appreciate that. === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === cking is now known as cking-afk === cking-afk is now known as cking [13:40] dpm, don't reopen closed bugs [13:40] dpm, your natty issues with the keyboard indicators are likely to the transition which happened during the rally, nothing to do with old bugs [13:41] seb128, ok, I wasn't sure what to do with it, sorry. I reopened the old bug because it was still valid for maverick and lucid, I realise the other one had nothing to do with it. [13:42] dpm, it's not still valid for 10.10 [13:42] or you have a different issue than the one described [13:42] in any case please don't reopen bugs it just confuses people and create extra work [13:42] open a new one and give a reference to the one which has been closed and seems similar to you [13:42] then the maintainer can decide how to deal with it [13:43] seb128, ok, will do that in the future then, sorry for the extra work [13:43] no worry [13:43] thanks ;-) [13:44] :) [13:45] bratsche, so I'm looking at this java sample file from yesterday. How do I compile it? javac Simple.java says it can't find org.eclipse.swt.SWT, but I don't know which package gives it. I've installed some eclipse pkgss... [13:46] hey mterry [13:46] seb128, hello! [13:46] they have documentation on their website iirc [13:47] seb128, for installing in ubuntu? or do I need to go off the rails with this one? [13:47] not sure if there is a binary, the website tell you how to build swt from cvs [13:47] which is what they pointed to bratsche on IRC iirc [13:48] guh, ok [13:48] well, one of the eclipse binaries might have what you need [13:48] not sure === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [15:14] pitti, seb128 hey [15:14] hey rickspencer3 [15:14] hey rickspencer3 [15:14] rickspencer3, you can upgrade today if that's the question ;-) [15:15] seb128, haha [15:15] actually, it wasn't, but thanks :) [15:15] ;-) [15:15] has the desktop team taken a decision about LibreOffice versus OOo in Natty? [15:16] I notived you've been sending messages to the list about certain decisions, which is GREAT [15:16] ;-) [15:16] so, when you guys decide what to do with the Office Suite, maybe someone could update the list? [15:16] rickspencer3: in fact, doko uploaded LibO yesterday [15:16] well since libreoffice has been uploaded I guess that's pretty much decided [15:17] lol [15:17] but yeah an email would be nice [15:17] (it grew our CDs by 62 MB :-/) [15:17] ok, I'd be asking jasoncwarner1 this if he were onilne [15:17] uploaded, NEWed and providing the old packages [15:17] maybe jasoncwarner1 could send out a note? [15:17] rickspencer3: doko already sent a mail about a week ago, FWIW [15:17] OOo should be removed then? [15:17] I was going to suggest doko [15:17] since he sent the ppa testing one as pitti just said [15:17] pitti, yeah, well, that note caused some ambiguity, as you may have read [15:17] and he did the work [15:18] as you wish [15:18] pitti, the CD is over sized again? [15:18] rickspencer3: yes, by 60 MB now [15:18] uh [15:18] OO.o now pulls in JDK, and also grew quite a lot by itself [15:18] is that beause of waht Laney said? [15:19] no [15:19] urk [15:19] btw, hi Laney [15:19] :) [15:19] it's new and/or unnecessary dependencies [15:19] for example, -writer now recommends: jdk [15:19] but also, libo-common is ~ 20 MB bigger than ooo-common [15:19] hmmm [15:19] i. e. this requires some packaging fixes here [15:20] well, what are you waiting for? [15:20] j/k [15:20] whip cracking noises? ;-) [15:21] so for alpha-2 we have three options: (1) remove LibO from the CD install, (2) revert to previous OO.o package, or (3) doko has some time to fix up the package [15:21] bjoern will only start in Feb, and will then need some time to get into the packaging [15:22] or drop some langpacks as a workaround [15:22] I don't think that we ship enough langpacks to compensate [15:22] well 1) might we a better workaround [15:22] pitti, well I assume that we can clean the jdk recommends [15:22] yes, that at least [15:22] pitti, if we just drop jdk, will it fit? [15:22] the remaining bits should be ok to switch with langpacks [15:22] rickspencer3: no [15:23] *sigh* [15:23] ok, good luck with that! [15:23] it should be ok to trade against langpacks [15:23] let me know if there is anything I can do to help [15:23] hiya :) [15:23] about dropping lang packs: [15:23] :,( [15:24] (2) is painful, as we would then need a new upstream version of LibO to switch back again [15:24] (1) is certaily easiest right now [15:24] right, 1) seems best if doko has no time to fix it [15:24] depending on how much time doko has [15:24] (2) seems to be going backwards, and since it's only alpha2, it seems a bit soon for such dire measures [15:24] rickspencer3: *nod* [15:25] can you remove it form the CD but NOT fill the extra space? [15:25] that's 1) basically [15:26] like, take the CD size as it is with LO on it, subtract the amount of space the LO adds, and call that a size limit for A2? [15:26] let's see what doko can do in the next week to start [15:26] then we can deal with dropping things from the CD [15:26] so if current_cd_size - total_lo_size = 625 MB [15:26] don't let the A2 CD grow to more than 625? [15:27] seb128, yeah, you're right, I'll let you guys get back to work [15:27] anyway, thanks for letting me know about the final decision regarding LO vs. OO [15:27] I'll ask jasoncwarner1 to make sure that someone lets @u-desktop know [15:27] thanks [15:31] seb128: do you know if there is a bug report opened for all the keyboards issue we recently had? [15:31] didrocks, I don't know === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [15:31] I'm not even sure against what it should be reported TBH [15:32] which ones? the layout added etc? [15:32] yeah, the layout added (and keeps to be readded for some people apparently) [15:32] console-setup I guess [15:33] or ask cjwatson [15:33] seb128: ok, will do, looking a little bit before. Thanks :) [15:35] there is a keyboard specific package [15:35] oh, but the source package is still console-setup [15:39] hum, in /etc/default/keyboard : [15:39] XKBMODEL="a4_rfkb23" [15:39] XKBLAYOUT="us,af" === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [16:00] I swear bug 537703 is a dupe but I can't find the original report [16:00] Launchpad bug 537703 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Compiz intercepts alert sound from gnome-terminal (affects: 9) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537703 [16:01] I know the original had a pulseaudio task because at one time a configuration change in pulseaudio made things work right since pulse is supposed to be able to intercept X bell and play a sound [16:13] didrocks, is there any chance you could build bamf using the current vala and not 0.10? [16:13] seb128: right now the alternative is set to the current, but it's failing, let me check [16:14] didrocks, the build-depends is on valac-0.10 [16:16] seb128: the good news is that I see no more vala code in it [16:16] but...? [16:18] they are still depending on vala in a Makefile.am, I think it's a leftover [16:18] yeah, it's even commented in fact [16:18] ok, will remove the dep [16:18] let's try to build the tarball first, gtk-doc is not helpful [16:19] thanks [16:22] thanks for the notice [16:22] yw [16:32] is gtk+-2.99.X going to be in natty soon? [16:34] bcurtiswx_: got uploaded a couple of hours ago [16:34] bcurtiswx_, it was uploaded earlier today [16:34] thanks pitti and seb128 [16:48] seb128: pushing libunity, if you have some time to NEW it, it would be awesome! :) [16:49] didrocks, ok [16:49] didrocks, you fixed the build issue? === james is now known as Guest26472 [16:50] seb128: hadn't the time for the proper fix, just unactivate the tests for now [16:51] ok [17:07] <^arky^> Hi, What is default editor for change the startup services [17:09] good night everyone! [17:14] have a good night pitti === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [17:29] * kenvandine does the "got the gir generation working" dance :) [17:30] but now it looks like to get decent api docs, i need to package valadoc [17:41] kenvandine, whilst you are around ... [17:41] is there somewhere I can read up on how to use libgwibber? [17:52] rickspencer3, working on that now... [17:52] thanks kenvandine [17:52] the gtk-doc generated docs suck for it [17:53] going to need valadoc which isn't in the archive [17:53] finally got the gir generating correctly again [17:54] kenvandine, did you see there is a new indicator-appmenu? [17:54] seb128, yup [17:54] pitti, excellent that suspend works better for you [17:54] going to get it right after lunch [17:59] i hope the indicator-appmenu release has my firefox menu fix in :) [18:04] chrisccoulson, i'll let you know :) [18:05] bryceh: hey, I wanted to ask you where is the xorg ubuntu git repo? I've update the apport hook [18:05] bryceh: I only found the debian one [18:06] chrisccoulson, "Don't leak the WindowMenus instance when a window disappears" [18:06] chrisccoulson, that one? [18:06] bryceh: or I can give you the updated source_xorg.py and maybe you can handle it? [18:06] kenvandine, yeah, that's the one :) [18:07] didrocks, yep just email me the updated version and I can get it in [18:07] chrisccoulson, then it's there :) [18:07] didrocks, but yes the xorg git tree is hosted at debian, it's the 'ubuntu' branch there [18:07] didrocks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/GitUsage has some directions pertaining to us [18:08] bryceh: I tried git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/ubuntu/xorg without any success from git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/debian/xorg :) [18:08] bryceh: let me do a git format-patch then [18:22] bryceh: sent [18:24] didrocks, great [18:35] hey, did something get fixed in the apport crash capture functionality? [18:35] pitti, ^^ [18:35] suddenly we're getting xserver crash bugs again today :-) [18:41] hmm, i added a .c and .h file to empathy_chat_SOURCES but idk what this error means.. src/Makefile.am: object `empathy-accounts-dialog.$(OBJEXT)' created both with libtool and without [18:44] chrisccoulson, indicator-appmenu uploaded [18:53] bcurtiswx_: pastebin the diff? [18:55] dobey, of what? [18:55] bcurtiswx_: Makefile.am? was adding the .c and .h the only thing you did? [18:56] dobey, yes. i get errors with functions not being recognized, so upon adding their .h and .c files to empathy_chat_SOURCES it will continuing past. lemme get you that section of the patch [18:57] bcurtiswx_: do a make clean, then make again, and see if you still get the error [18:58] dobey, does pbuilder try to reuse the build-area directory ? [18:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/556263/ btw [18:59] everything from the + down i've added [19:00] no, i think pbuilder does a clean build every time [19:03] dobey, where does libtool do its magic? how am I supposed to read that error message? [19:04] seb128, dropping my gir patch for gtk3 broke dbusmenu builds... /me fixes patch [19:07] bcurtiswx_: http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/automake/Objects-created-both-with-libtool-and-without.html [19:07] bcurtiswx_: it means you also put it in a lib source as well as a bin source; you need to just put it in the lib source and add the .la to the LDFLAGS probably [19:10] dobey, so the empathy_chat_SOURCES is a lib source or bin source .. i don't understand [19:10] bin [19:11]