| dholbach | good morning | 08:07 |
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| Ronnie | hey all | 10:58 |
| HakanS | Ronnie: Hello | 11:00 |
| TrickyJ | Ronnie: hi man | 11:07 |
| TrickyJ | how are you :) | 11:07 |
| TrickyJ | Ronnie: u know i work in morning shift now a days :) | 11:08 |
| Ronnie | mornin TrickyJ | 11:08 |
| Ronnie | just a few more days till the end of the month :) | 11:09 |
| TrickyJ | Ronnie: Good morning :) you are right man :) | 11:10 |
| TrickyJ | few more days :) | 11:10 |
| TrickyJ | ;) | 11:10 |
| TrickyJ | Ronnie: have a look buddy this is interesting http://24timezones.com/online_clock.php | 11:10 |
| Ronnie | interseting, too bad i dont have a site myself | 11:14 |
| TrickyJ | Ronnie: its not mine though .. but check out those world clock scripting and stuffs.. | 11:25 |
| TrickyJ | I beign into global support i needed this world clock thing i've scripted that to my interanet sit | 11:25 |
| TrickyJ | Ronnie: catch u tomorro man i am going back home good day take care :) | 11:25 |
| cjohnston | mhall119, Ronnie, dholbach, daker ... interesting bug.. bug 705265 | 13:02 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 705265 in loco-directory "LoCo events page has wrong date, or needs timezone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705265 | 13:02 |
| Ronnie | ill have a look | 13:02 |
| cjohnston | boils back down to the tz issue | 13:03 |
| Ronnie | what standards are used now? for all loco's UTC or local time? | 13:04 |
| cjohnston | on event pages they are displayed in the venue tz | 13:05 |
| cjohnston | iirc everything else is utc | 13:05 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: we have the correct timezone for those events, from the venue, but it's not being used on the team detail page | 13:20 |
| cjohnston | right | 13:20 |
| cjohnston | I think it needs to be displayed in UTC and maybe make a note | 13:21 |
| mhall119 | so we either need to convert them to localtime, or put (UTC) after them | 13:21 |
| cjohnston | thats my vote | 13:21 |
| mhall119 | what's the reason for using UTC rather than localtime? | 13:21 |
| cjohnston | whos local time | 13:21 |
| cjohnston | the venues local time? | 13:21 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 13:21 |
| mhall119 | we can always put (PST) after the datetime | 13:21 |
| cjohnston | it would still need a note saying that it is in the venues local time | 13:22 |
| cjohnston | if only a date is displayed, it would look silly imo to put spst | 13:22 |
| cjohnston | pst | 13:22 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, you're right | 13:22 |
| mhall119 | well if it's only date, is there a reason to use UTC at all? | 13:23 |
| mhall119 | I guess once meetings are in the list,those will all be UTC | 13:23 |
| cjohnston | meetings yes | 13:23 |
| cjohnston | your saying just display all event info in the venues tz? | 13:23 |
| mhall119 | yeah | 13:24 |
| cjohnston | that could work possible | 13:24 |
| cjohnston | possibly | 13:24 |
| cjohnston | how will LD react to time changes | 13:24 |
| mhall119 | what time changes? | 13:24 |
| cjohnston | EST EDT | 13:25 |
| mhall119 | that's factored in already | 13:25 |
| mhall119 | pytz knows what the correct offset will be for the date | 13:25 |
| jpds | Display both UTC and local? | 13:26 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida/events/history | 13:26 |
| mhall119 | you will see both EDT and EST on the list | 13:26 |
| cjohnston | mhall119: ... im talking about say arizona... | 13:26 |
| cjohnston | parts use daylight, parts dont.. but there is only US/Arizona | 13:26 |
| mhall119 | well they'd have to determine which timezone applies to that part | 13:27 |
| mhall119 | I'd imagine they already have separate timezone names | 13:27 |
| cjohnston | this works: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ | 13:28 |
| cjohnston | how about Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View/Silicon Valley; rev. 1.4.7 on: Jan. 21, 2011 at XX:XX YYY | 13:28 |
| mhall119 | jpds: we'd have to use a lot more space to display both | 13:28 |
| cjohnston | ooo.. I like that idea | 13:29 |
| mhall119 | which idea? your idea? | 13:29 |
| cjohnston | ya | 13:29 |
| jpds | mhall119: Ajax and hover out to show UTC; display local time by default. | 13:29 |
| cjohnston | instead of just on date on date at time | 13:29 |
| jpds | over* | 13:29 |
| mhall119 | that'll work, make sure timezonoe is included | 13:29 |
| cjohnston | lemme see if i can make it happen | 13:29 |
| mhall119 | jpds: I'm not sure there's any real need for UTC for loco events | 13:30 |
| cjohnston | i could see that for meetings though | 13:31 |
| cjohnston | but a litttle different | 13:31 |
| cjohnston | display utc | 13:31 |
| cjohnston | and bring in that tz info from LP to hover over and display a users local time for the meeting | 13:31 |
| cjohnston | what do you think about that mhall119 | 13:32 |
| mhall119 | that would work | 13:38 |
| cjohnston | best i can tell bug 686268 is currently the only blocker | 13:39 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 686268 in loco-directory "Add the ability to add agenda items (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686268 | 13:39 |
| mhall119 | I know :( | 13:39 |
| mhall119 | I'll see what I can get done during my lunch break today | 13:39 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 13:40 |
| cjohnston | import takes forever | 14:00 |
| cjohnston | i need to figure out how to have an always good working copy | 14:01 |
| cjohnston | mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/608/detail/ do we want to display both the PST and the (-0800)? I guess it could make translating easier | 14:20 |
| mhall119 | I'd say just PST part | 14:21 |
| mhall119 | I'm not sure that's something that can be translated | 14:21 |
| cjohnston | translated meaning if I'm +2 and the event is -8 then I add 10 to the event | 14:23 |
| cjohnston | bug 705265 is ready for review | 14:52 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 705265 in loco-directory "LoCo events page has wrong date, or needs timezone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705265 | 14:52 |
| mhall119 | cjohnston: I don't think we need to do that, just show the event in local time or UTC | 15:23 |
| mhall119 | for physical events, even UTC wouldn't be needed | 15:23 |
| cjohnston | you referring to the (-800)? | 15:27 |
| locodir-user | hay | 17:12 |
| locodir-user | I from jowo | 17:13 |
| locodir-user | vawa west | 17:13 |
| locodir-user | java west | 17:13 |
| locodir-user | ade rang tak | 17:13 |
| Ronnie | i upgraded the google map script with a lot of new features: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map | 17:48 |
| mhall119 | \o/ | 18:03 |
| cjohnston | mhall119: if a team removes themselves from -locoteams and -locoteams-approved, what will happen to their LD? they wont show up as approved (atleast eventually).. will it still work? | 19:00 |
| mhall119 | hmmm... | 20:04 |
| mhall119 | I think the team will be deleted from LD, and the django.contrib.auth Group by the same name too | 20:04 |
| mhall119 | no wait, they won't be | 20:05 |
| mhall119 | because we still get duplicate teams if they rename | 20:05 |
| mhall119 | so, they'll stay in LD | 20:05 |
| mhall119 | has this issue come up? | 20:05 |
| czajkowski | sigh | 20:10 |
| czajkowski | I really hope teams dont go and start removing themvels | 20:10 |
| czajkowski | *themselves | 20:10 |
| mhall119 | launchpad needs a new team mode | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | call it the Hotel California mode | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | to go with moderated and restricted | 20:12 |
| czajkowski | yeah tis unforanate that it effects more than loco teams | 20:14 |
| pleia2 | yeah, any teams which organized with a restricted leadership team too | 20:15 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu women is no longer open :( | 20:15 |
| czajkowski | yeah but its across the board all teams are ffected this way | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | but I dont want to se loco teams trying to find a plan B around it which means messing up the LD | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | :( | 20:16 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:16 | |
| pleia2 | the LP folks need to stop doing things like this without engaging the community :) first polls, now this! | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | Yeah... trust me I've had this conversation lots in the last few hours | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | it's not ideal | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | and it's really annoying | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | fwiw the loco council are trying to resolve the locoteam isue | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:22 |
| mhall119 | wait, did I miss something? | 20:23 |
| mhall119 | I noticed ubuntu-us-florida switched to a moderated team, was this something that happened to all LP teams? | 20:23 |
| czajkowski | yes every single team.. | 20:23 |
| mhall119 | wow | 20:24 |
| mhall119 | BTW, I suggested once already implementing polls in LD | 20:24 |
| pleia2 | polls are back in LP and they're working on an export to civs option | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | I heard that they were back, but they had no long-term future there | 20:25 |
| pleia2 | I think they'll probably get rid of them again once the export to civs option arrives though, so having ld polls is probably not a bad idea in the future | 20:25 |
| mhall119 | what is civs? | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | the polling system used for community council elections (and ubuntu women, and irc council) | 20:29 |
| pleia2 | Condorcet | 20:29 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, more complicated that I was planning | 20:32 |
| mhall119 | do you need condorcet polling? or just a single-vote style polling? | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | it works well for elections, less so for "so, which coffee shop do we meet up with?" | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | I guess it always works | 20:33 |
| paultag | +1 pleia2 | 20:36 |
| paultag | pleia2: it even has more then one "winner" algorithm | 20:36 |
| paultag | pretty cool | 20:36 |
| paultag | but looks like junk | 20:37 |
| * czajkowski prods paultag just cause he's around | 20:41 | |
| deejoe | oh look, it's paultag | 20:42 |
| deejoe | borda count ftw | 20:42 |
| deejoe | arrow's theorem, to the extent I understand it at least, points out that pretty much no voting system is going to be perfect, anyway. | 20:43 |
| deejoe | borda count is so much easier to understand, imnsho, which is important to get buy-in | 20:44 |
| paultag | hey czajkowski | 20:44 |
| paultag | hey deejoe | 20:44 |
| czajkowski | paultag: :) | 23:04 |
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