[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[10:58] <Ronnie> hey all
[11:00] <HakanS> Ronnie: Hello
[11:07] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: hi man
[11:07] <TrickyJ> how are you :)
[11:08] <TrickyJ> Ronnie:  u know i work in morning shift now a days :)
[11:08] <Ronnie> mornin TrickyJ
[11:09] <Ronnie> just a few more days till the end of the month :)
[11:10] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: Good morning :) you are right man :)
[11:10] <TrickyJ> few more days :) 
[11:10] <TrickyJ> ;)
[11:10] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: have a look buddy this is interesting http://24timezones.com/online_clock.php
[11:14] <Ronnie> interseting, too bad i dont have a site myself
[11:25] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: its not mine though .. but check out those world clock scripting and stuffs..
[11:25] <TrickyJ> I beign into global support i needed this world clock thing i've scripted that to my interanet sit
[11:25] <TrickyJ> Ronnie:  catch u tomorro man i am going back home good day take care :)
[13:02] <cjohnston> mhall119, Ronnie, dholbach, daker ... interesting bug.. bug 705265
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705265 in loco-directory "LoCo events page has wrong date, or needs timezone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705265
[13:02] <Ronnie> ill have a look
[13:03] <cjohnston> boils back down to the tz issue
[13:04] <Ronnie> what standards are used now? for all loco's UTC or local time?
[13:05] <cjohnston> on event pages they are displayed in the venue tz
[13:05] <cjohnston> iirc everything else is utc
[13:20] <mhall119> cjohnston: we have the correct timezone for those events, from the venue, but it's not being used on the team detail page
[13:20] <cjohnston> right
[13:21] <cjohnston> I think it needs to be displayed in UTC and maybe make a note
[13:21] <mhall119> so we either need to convert them to localtime, or put (UTC) after them
[13:21] <cjohnston> thats my vote
[13:21] <mhall119> what's the reason for using UTC rather than localtime?
[13:21] <cjohnston> whos local time
[13:21] <cjohnston> the venues local time?
[13:21] <mhall119> yeah
[13:21] <mhall119> we can always put (PST) after the datetime
[13:22] <cjohnston> it would still need a note saying that it is in the venues local time
[13:22] <cjohnston> if only a date is displayed, it would look silly imo to put spst
[13:22] <cjohnston> pst
[13:22] <mhall119> hmmm, you're right
[13:23] <mhall119> well if it's only date, is there a reason to use UTC at all?
[13:23] <mhall119> I guess once meetings are in the list,those will all be UTC
[13:23] <cjohnston> meetings yes
[13:23] <cjohnston> your saying just display all event info in the venues tz?
[13:24] <mhall119> yeah
[13:24] <cjohnston> that could work possible
[13:24] <cjohnston> possibly
[13:24] <cjohnston> how will LD react to time changes
[13:24] <mhall119> what time changes?
[13:25] <cjohnston> EST EDT
[13:25] <mhall119> that's factored in already
[13:25] <mhall119> pytz knows what the correct offset will be for the date
[13:26] <jpds> Display both UTC and local?
[13:26] <mhall119> cjohnston: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida/events/history
[13:26] <mhall119> you will see both EDT and EST on the list
[13:26] <cjohnston> mhall119: ... im talking about say arizona...
[13:26] <cjohnston> parts use daylight, parts dont.. but there is only US/Arizona
[13:27] <mhall119> well they'd have to determine which timezone applies to that part
[13:27] <mhall119> I'd imagine they already have separate timezone names
[13:28] <cjohnston> this works: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[13:28] <cjohnston> how about Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View/Silicon Valley; rev. 1.4.7 on: Jan. 21, 2011 at XX:XX YYY
[13:28] <mhall119> jpds: we'd have to use a lot more space to display both
[13:29] <cjohnston> ooo.. I like that idea
[13:29] <mhall119> which idea? your idea?
[13:29] <cjohnston> ya
[13:29] <jpds> mhall119: Ajax and hover out to show UTC; display local time by default.
[13:29] <cjohnston> instead of just on date on date at time
[13:29] <jpds> over*
[13:29] <mhall119> that'll work, make sure timezonoe is included
[13:29] <cjohnston> lemme see if i can make it happen
[13:30] <mhall119> jpds: I'm not sure there's any real need for UTC for loco events
[13:31] <cjohnston> i could see that for meetings though
[13:31] <cjohnston> but a litttle different
[13:31] <cjohnston> display utc
[13:31] <cjohnston> and bring in that tz info from LP to hover over and display a users local time for the meeting
[13:32] <cjohnston> what do you think about that mhall119 
[13:38] <mhall119> that would work
[13:39] <cjohnston> best i can tell bug 686268 is currently the only blocker
[13:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 686268 in loco-directory "Add the ability to add agenda items (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686268
[13:39] <mhall119> I know :(
[13:39] <mhall119> I'll see what I can get done during my lunch break today
[13:40] <cjohnston> :-)
[14:00] <cjohnston> import takes forever
[14:01] <cjohnston> i need to figure out how to have an always good working copy
[14:20] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/608/detail/  do we want to display both the PST and the (-0800)? I guess it could make translating easier
[14:21] <mhall119> I'd say just PST part
[14:21] <mhall119> I'm not sure that's something that can be translated
[14:23] <cjohnston> translated meaning if I'm +2 and the event is -8 then I add 10 to the event
[14:52] <cjohnston> bug 705265 is ready for review
[14:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 705265 in loco-directory "LoCo events page has wrong date, or needs timezone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705265
[15:23] <mhall119> cjohnston: I don't think we need to do that, just show the event in local time or UTC
[15:23] <mhall119> for physical events, even UTC wouldn't be needed
[15:27] <cjohnston> you referring to the (-800)?
[17:12] <locodir-user> hay
[17:13] <locodir-user> I from jowo
[17:13] <locodir-user> vawa west
[17:13] <locodir-user> java west
[17:13] <locodir-user> ade rang tak
[17:48] <Ronnie> i upgraded the google map script with a lot of new features: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map
[18:03] <mhall119> \o/
[19:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: if a team removes themselves from -locoteams and -locoteams-approved, what will happen to their LD? they wont show up as approved (atleast eventually).. will it still work?
[20:04] <mhall119> hmmm...
[20:04] <mhall119> I think the team will be deleted from LD, and the django.contrib.auth Group by the same name too
[20:05] <mhall119> no wait, they won't be
[20:05] <mhall119> because we still get duplicate teams if they rename
[20:05] <mhall119> so, they'll stay in LD
[20:05] <mhall119> has this issue come up?
[20:10] <czajkowski> sigh 
[20:10] <czajkowski> I really hope teams dont go and start removing themvels 
[20:10] <czajkowski> *themselves
[20:12] <mhall119> launchpad needs a new team mode
[20:12] <mhall119> call it the Hotel California mode
[20:12] <mhall119> to go with moderated and restricted
[20:14] <czajkowski> yeah tis unforanate that it effects more than loco teams 
[20:15] <pleia2> yeah, any teams which organized with a restricted leadership team too
[20:15] <pleia2> ubuntu women is no longer open :(
[20:16] <czajkowski> yeah but its across the board all teams are ffected this way 
[20:16] <czajkowski> but I dont want to se loco teams trying to find a plan B around it which means messing up the LD 
[20:16] <czajkowski> :(
[20:16]  * pleia2 nods
[20:17] <pleia2> the LP folks need to stop doing things like this without engaging the community :) first polls, now this!
[20:17] <czajkowski> Yeah... trust me I've had this conversation lots in the last few hours 
[20:17] <czajkowski> it's not ideal 
[20:17] <czajkowski> and it's really annoying 
[20:21] <czajkowski> fwiw the loco council are trying to resolve the locoteam isue 
[20:22] <pleia2> :)
[20:23] <mhall119> wait, did I miss something?
[20:23] <mhall119> I noticed ubuntu-us-florida switched to a moderated team, was this something that happened to all LP teams?
[20:23] <czajkowski> yes every single team..
[20:24] <mhall119> wow
[20:24] <mhall119> BTW, I suggested once already implementing polls in LD
[20:25] <pleia2> polls are back in LP and they're working on an export to civs option
[20:25] <mhall119> I heard that they were back, but they had no long-term future there
[20:25] <pleia2> I think they'll probably get rid of them again once the export to civs option arrives though, so having ld polls is probably not a bad idea in the future
[20:28] <mhall119> what is civs?
[20:29] <pleia2> the polling system used for community council elections (and ubuntu women, and irc council)
[20:29] <pleia2> Condorcet
[20:32] <mhall119> hmmm, more complicated that I was planning
[20:33] <mhall119> do you need condorcet polling? or just a single-vote style polling?
[20:33] <pleia2> it works well for elections, less so for "so, which coffee shop do we meet up with?"
[20:33] <pleia2> I guess it always works
[20:36] <paultag> +1 pleia2 
[20:36] <paultag> pleia2: it even has more then one "winner" algorithm
[20:36] <paultag> pretty cool
[20:37] <paultag> but looks like junk
[20:41]  * czajkowski prods paultag just cause he's around 
[20:42] <deejoe> oh look, it's paultag
[20:42] <deejoe> borda count ftw
[20:43] <deejoe> arrow's theorem, to the extent I understand it at least, points out that pretty much no voting system is going to be perfect, anyway.
[20:44] <deejoe> borda count is so much easier to understand, imnsho, which is important to get buy-in
[20:44] <paultag> hey czajkowski 
[20:44] <paultag> hey deejoe 
[23:04] <czajkowski> paultag: :)