[08:07] good morning [10:58] hey all [11:00] Ronnie: Hello [11:07] Ronnie: hi man [11:07] how are you :) [11:08] Ronnie: u know i work in morning shift now a days :) [11:08] mornin TrickyJ [11:09] just a few more days till the end of the month :) [11:10] Ronnie: Good morning :) you are right man :) [11:10] few more days :) [11:10] ;) [11:10] Ronnie: have a look buddy this is interesting http://24timezones.com/online_clock.php [11:14] interseting, too bad i dont have a site myself [11:25] Ronnie: its not mine though .. but check out those world clock scripting and stuffs.. [11:25] I beign into global support i needed this world clock thing i've scripted that to my interanet sit [11:25] Ronnie: catch u tomorro man i am going back home good day take care :) [13:02] mhall119, Ronnie, dholbach, daker ... interesting bug.. bug 705265 [13:02] Launchpad bug 705265 in loco-directory "LoCo events page has wrong date, or needs timezone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705265 [13:02] ill have a look [13:03] boils back down to the tz issue [13:04] what standards are used now? for all loco's UTC or local time? [13:05] on event pages they are displayed in the venue tz [13:05] iirc everything else is utc [13:20] cjohnston: we have the correct timezone for those events, from the venue, but it's not being used on the team detail page [13:20] right [13:21] I think it needs to be displayed in UTC and maybe make a note [13:21] so we either need to convert them to localtime, or put (UTC) after them [13:21] thats my vote [13:21] what's the reason for using UTC rather than localtime? [13:21] whos local time [13:21] the venues local time? [13:21] yeah [13:21] we can always put (PST) after the datetime [13:22] it would still need a note saying that it is in the venues local time [13:22] if only a date is displayed, it would look silly imo to put spst [13:22] pst [13:22] hmmm, you're right [13:23] well if it's only date, is there a reason to use UTC at all? [13:23] I guess once meetings are in the list,those will all be UTC [13:23] meetings yes [13:23] your saying just display all event info in the venues tz? [13:24] yeah [13:24] that could work possible [13:24] possibly [13:24] how will LD react to time changes [13:24] what time changes? [13:25] EST EDT [13:25] that's factored in already [13:25] pytz knows what the correct offset will be for the date [13:26] Display both UTC and local? [13:26] cjohnston: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-us-florida/events/history [13:26] you will see both EDT and EST on the list [13:26] mhall119: ... im talking about say arizona... [13:26] parts use daylight, parts dont.. but there is only US/Arizona [13:27] well they'd have to determine which timezone applies to that part [13:27] I'd imagine they already have separate timezone names [13:28] this works: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ [13:28] how about Ubuntu Hour: Mountain View/Silicon Valley; rev. 1.4.7 on: Jan. 21, 2011 at XX:XX YYY [13:28] jpds: we'd have to use a lot more space to display both [13:29] ooo.. I like that idea [13:29] which idea? your idea? [13:29] ya [13:29] mhall119: Ajax and hover out to show UTC; display local time by default. [13:29] instead of just on date on date at time [13:29] over* [13:29] that'll work, make sure timezonoe is included [13:29] lemme see if i can make it happen [13:30] jpds: I'm not sure there's any real need for UTC for loco events [13:31] i could see that for meetings though [13:31] but a litttle different [13:31] display utc [13:31] and bring in that tz info from LP to hover over and display a users local time for the meeting [13:32] what do you think about that mhall119 [13:38] that would work [13:39] best i can tell bug 686268 is currently the only blocker [13:39] Launchpad bug 686268 in loco-directory "Add the ability to add agenda items (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686268 [13:39] I know :( [13:39] I'll see what I can get done during my lunch break today [13:40] :-) [14:00] import takes forever [14:01] i need to figure out how to have an always good working copy [14:20] mhall119: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/608/detail/ do we want to display both the PST and the (-0800)? I guess it could make translating easier [14:21] I'd say just PST part [14:21] I'm not sure that's something that can be translated [14:23] translated meaning if I'm +2 and the event is -8 then I add 10 to the event [14:52] bug 705265 is ready for review [14:52] Launchpad bug 705265 in loco-directory "LoCo events page has wrong date, or needs timezone (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705265 [15:23] cjohnston: I don't think we need to do that, just show the event in local time or UTC [15:23] for physical events, even UTC wouldn't be needed [15:27] you referring to the (-800)? [17:12] hay [17:13] I from jowo [17:13] vawa west [17:13] java west [17:13] ade rang tak [17:48] i upgraded the google map script with a lot of new features: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map [18:03] \o/ [19:00] mhall119: if a team removes themselves from -locoteams and -locoteams-approved, what will happen to their LD? they wont show up as approved (atleast eventually).. will it still work? [20:04] hmmm... [20:04] I think the team will be deleted from LD, and the django.contrib.auth Group by the same name too [20:05] no wait, they won't be [20:05] because we still get duplicate teams if they rename [20:05] so, they'll stay in LD [20:05] has this issue come up? [20:10] sigh [20:10] I really hope teams dont go and start removing themvels [20:10] *themselves [20:12] launchpad needs a new team mode [20:12] call it the Hotel California mode [20:12] to go with moderated and restricted [20:14] yeah tis unforanate that it effects more than loco teams [20:15] yeah, any teams which organized with a restricted leadership team too [20:15] ubuntu women is no longer open :( [20:16] yeah but its across the board all teams are ffected this way [20:16] but I dont want to se loco teams trying to find a plan B around it which means messing up the LD [20:16] :( [20:16] * pleia2 nods [20:17] the LP folks need to stop doing things like this without engaging the community :) first polls, now this! [20:17] Yeah... trust me I've had this conversation lots in the last few hours [20:17] it's not ideal [20:17] and it's really annoying [20:21] fwiw the loco council are trying to resolve the locoteam isue [20:22] :) [20:23] wait, did I miss something? [20:23] I noticed ubuntu-us-florida switched to a moderated team, was this something that happened to all LP teams? [20:23] yes every single team.. [20:24] wow [20:24] BTW, I suggested once already implementing polls in LD [20:25] polls are back in LP and they're working on an export to civs option [20:25] I heard that they were back, but they had no long-term future there [20:25] I think they'll probably get rid of them again once the export to civs option arrives though, so having ld polls is probably not a bad idea in the future [20:28] what is civs? [20:29] the polling system used for community council elections (and ubuntu women, and irc council) [20:29] Condorcet [20:32] hmmm, more complicated that I was planning [20:33] do you need condorcet polling? or just a single-vote style polling? [20:33] it works well for elections, less so for "so, which coffee shop do we meet up with?" [20:33] I guess it always works [20:36] +1 pleia2 [20:36] pleia2: it even has more then one "winner" algorithm [20:36] pretty cool [20:37] but looks like junk [20:41] * czajkowski prods paultag just cause he's around [20:42] oh look, it's paultag [20:42] borda count ftw [20:43] arrow's theorem, to the extent I understand it at least, points out that pretty much no voting system is going to be perfect, anyway. [20:44] borda count is so much easier to understand, imnsho, which is important to get buy-in [20:44] hey czajkowski [20:44] hey deejoe [23:04] paultag: :)