[01:12] <Lynx|2> anyone having flash problem in 11.04 natty?
[01:13] <ari-tczew> Lynx|2: better place for ask will be #ubuntu+1
[01:13] <Lynx|2> k, thx
[02:51] <rsalveti> :
[05:49] <elStefano84> Heya
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> Ayatana meeting?
[13:03] <MrChrisDruif> Anyone?
[13:26] <MrChrisDruif> Is the ayatana meeting not today and now?
[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander.
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[15:00] <NCommander> Who's here?
[15:01] <davidm> G'day NCommander
[15:01]  * soren chuckles
[15:01]  * janimo waves
[15:01] <NCommander> morning davidm
[15:01] <janimo> hello everyone
[15:01] <ogra> moo
[15:02] <davidm> NCommander, it got even colder here!!
[15:02] <NCommander> No wiki page folks, as the wiki broke everytime I tried to make one with a 500 error
[15:02] <NCommander> davidm: move to Oregon :-)
[15:02] <ogra> you wrote something different in your mail :P
[15:02] <ogra> it said you had 500 errors *g*
[15:02] <NCommander> yeah, one every time I tried :-P
[15:02] <ogra> was a funny read
[15:02] <NCommander> Hence errors
[15:03] <ogra> we should have a standing item for unity-2d from now on
[15:03] <ogra> until its in the images
[15:03] <NCommander> ogra: k
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[15:05] <ogra> shudder
[15:05] <ogra> i guess we all fell back due to unity
[15:05] <NCommander> [topic] persia to handle namespace renaming (co)
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to handle namespace renaming (co)
[15:05] <ogra> which namespace was that ?
[15:05] <NCommander> wiki namespace from Mobile to ARM
[15:06] <ogra> ah, nice
[15:06] <ogra> seems persia isnt here though
[15:06]  * NCommander pokes him
[15:06] <rsalveti> argh, fighting with nm-applet at natty
[15:06] <rsalveti> but finally on :-)
[15:07] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to fix workitem links
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to fix workitem links
[15:07] <NCommander> Did this during the last meeting template
[15:07] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[15:07] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:08] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.htmlhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.htmlhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08] <NCommander> oops
[15:08] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08]  * ogra is still not intrested in these ... 
[15:08] <jo-erlend> is there any news regarding OMAP3?
[15:09] <ogra> release team only cares for canonical-arm items
[15:09] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[15:09] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:09] <NCommander> bah
[15:09] <NCommander> sorry about that
[15:10] <NCommander> laptop broke
[15:10] <NCommander> ogra: damn it, this is the Ubuntu ARM meeting
[15:10] <NCommander> Will you stop posting that link?
[15:10] <ogra> NCommander, fine, make the release team care about something else then
[15:10] <ogra> no
[15:10] <NCommander> ogra: and if the release team only cares about Canonical ARM work items, then I'll fix it
[15:10] <ogra> go ahead
[15:10] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs
[15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs
[15:10] <ogra> bugs ?
[15:10] <NCommander> er
[15:10] <NCommander> workitems
[15:11] <ogra> heh
[15:11] <NCommander> sorry, still early here
[15:11] <ogra> bugs is another issue
[15:11] <ogra> but we'll get to that
[15:11] <ogra> and note that i wont run around after people that dont report for the release team report
[15:11] <ogra> i.e. people that have WIs on ubuntu-armel
[15:12] <ogra> which will constantly make us look bad in the release meeting
[15:12] <ogra> NCommander, make davidm tell me to stop caring for canonical-arm and i will
[15:13] <ogra> but i will not start running after the community to make us look better, preparing the release report already takes half a day
[15:13] <ogra> anyway, move
[15:13] <GrueMaster> I'm looking at the two Alpha 2 workitem links side by side, and not seeing much of a difference.
[15:13] <ogra> GrueMaster, apart from the fact that nobody maintains the tracker
[15:14] <ogra> which you can see by the broken trendline etc
[15:14] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:14] <ogra> anyway, nothing to discuss now
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:14] <ogra> NCommander, buglist ?
[15:14] <NCommander> oh righ
[15:14] <ogra> :)
[15:14] <NCommander> [topic] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <ogra> GrueMaster, proposed an new buglist
[15:15] <ogra> which is based on the armel tag
[15:15] <ogra> that bit goes better with apport, but sadly also shows *all* linaro bugs
[15:16] <ogra> note that the difference is 160 vs 18 bugs
[15:16] <rsalveti> NCommander: please also put my name on the kernel status
[15:16] <ogra> between these two lists
[15:16] <NCommander> ogra: as the ubuntu-armel team, we should be looking at those bugs instead what is easy to look at as well. Just because its on the team list doesn't mean we have to fix it
[15:16] <rsalveti> put an action item for it, you said you'd do it at the last meeting
[15:16] <NCommander> rsalveti: ah, whoops, sorry :-)
[15:16] <GrueMaster> I am really out of ideas on how to get a better list of open bug reports out of launchpad.  If someone here has a workable solution, please step up and make a suggestion, not a complaint.
[15:16] <ogra> NCommander, so you want to start triaging linaro image tools bugs, linaro kernel package bugs etc ?
[15:17] <ogra> GrueMaster, ubuntu-armel subscribed bugs would be the right thing
[15:17] <NCommander> ogra: the tool should be limited to the ubuntu distro, then all bugs tagged armel
[15:17] <GrueMaster> ubuntu-armel doesn't get added until the bugs are triaged.
[15:17] <ogra> NCommander, right, but such a feature doesnt exists at all
[15:17] <ogra> GrueMaster, which is fine since the list is supposed to track "subscribed" bugs
[15:18] <ogra> which is usually after triage
[15:18] <rsalveti> we usually just want to track triaged bugs
[15:18] <ogra> right
[15:18] <ogra> err
[15:18] <rsalveti> but would be good to have the general picture, and the GrueMaster link works for that
[15:18] <GrueMaster> And who is supposed to subscribe these bugs to team members or the team in general?
[15:18] <ogra> s/sbscribed/assigned/
[15:18] <ogra> we usually dont assign the team
[15:18] <ogra> but subscribe
[15:19] <ogra> so subscribed is the right thing to look for
[15:19] <NCommander> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=armel
[15:19] <GrueMaster> I'll try to get another list with team subscribed bugs.  This list helps me at least do my job.
[15:19] <NCommander> just saying, that list does exist
[15:19] <ogra> NCommander, all linaro packages are in ubuntu
[15:19] <ogra> it doesnt
[15:19] <ogra> that doesnt filter out linaro
[15:20] <ogra> it even is less filtered than GrueMasters list above
[15:20] <ogra> 220 bugs vs 160
[15:20] <ogra> the only proper list would be ubuntu-armel subscribed
[15:21] <ogra> it think we should filter on both ...
[15:21] <ogra> armel tag and ubuntu-armel subscribed
[15:21] <ogra> GrueMaster, can you ask bdmurray to add such a filter ?
[15:21] <ogra> should be trivial
[15:21] <GrueMaster> I'll try, if it is even possible to search for subscribers.
[15:22] <ogra> i think it is via launchpadlib
[15:22] <ogra> so assuming bdmurray uses that in his script he should be able to add such a filter
[15:23] <ogra> move ?
[15:24] <rsalveti> launchpadlib should do the job
[15:25]  * ogra tickles NCommander 
[15:25] <ogra> wake up ;)
[15:25] <NCommander> ogra: sorry
[15:25] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (rsalveti, cooloney)
[15:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (rsalveti, cooloney)
[15:26] <rsalveti> same kernel for omap 4, no other updates from TI
[15:26] <ogra> there was an upload today
[15:26] <ogra> with fixes from cooloney
[15:26] <rsalveti> cooloney worked at the mem instability issues, and could reproduce it with latest linux-omap tree
[15:26] <ogra> only minor stuff though
[15:26] <rsalveti> probably meta
[15:26] <ogra> i think naming issues etc
[15:26] <rsalveti> then he fixed the linux-tools package
[15:26] <ogra> and doc updates
[15:26] <rsalveti> to properly probe the correct package for omap 4
[15:26] <ogra> and that, yeah
[15:27] <rsalveti> as the name is different
[15:27] <rsalveti> omap 3 still needs to be properly tested
[15:27] <rsalveti> but we still don't have images for it
[15:27] <ogra> should be possible with the next image
[15:27] <ogra> we will tomorrow
[15:27]  * ogra will report in image status
[15:27] <GrueMaster> And I no longer have a beagleXM at the moment for testing.
[15:27] <rsalveti> sure, once we get it, would be good to test it asap
[15:28] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: do you know if davidm already ordered another one for you?
[15:28] <GrueMaster> New board ordered, status unknown.
[15:28] <ogra> will be shipped after the pandas :P
[15:28] <rsalveti> davidm: any updates on that?
[15:28] <davidm> I ordered a replacement at the rally
[15:28] <rsalveti> cool, should arrive soon probably
[15:28] <davidm> No update from vendor as yet
[15:29] <rsalveti> I can help testing it once we have images
[15:29] <GrueMaster> Web indicated March timeframe.
[15:29] <ogra> lol
[15:29] <ogra> now that will be helpful
[15:29] <rsalveti> it seems there's a bug related with the mmc driver, as sometimes I get some i/o errors
[15:29] <rsalveti> lol
[15:29] <rsalveti> linaro probably got a lot of those, maybe we could ask one from them
[15:29] <janimo> rsalveti, only on arm?
[15:29] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: on omap3 or 4?
[15:29] <rsalveti> only on omap 3
[15:29] <janimo> I get those with my broken sdcard
[15:30] <ogra> jo-erlend, you had questions regarding omap3 ... now is probably the time to ask them ;)
[15:30] <rsalveti> I could reproduce with 2 cards already, but didn't spend much time on that
[15:30] <GrueMaster> Before the end of the week last week, I successfully upgraded from Maverick to Natty on my XM.
[15:30] <GrueMaster> So that is something.
[15:30] <rsalveti> cool
[15:30] <ogra> yeah
[15:30] <jo-erlend> well. I was just wondering if there were any news. :)
[15:30] <ogra> jo-erlend, we'll have images soon
[15:31] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: well, we'll start producing image soon
[15:31] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:31] <ogra> not sure how well they will work
[15:31] <rsalveti> kernel is based on upstream
[15:31] <jo-erlend> sorry if I interrupted earlier. :)
[15:31] <rsalveti> so 37 now and soon 38 something
[15:31] <ogra> since as you can see above they havent been tested yet
[15:31] <ogra> but we should have something by alpha2
[15:31] <rsalveti> tested with new x-loader and new u-boot
[15:31] <rsalveti> so if we get a working kernel, should be fine
[15:31] <ogra> great
[15:32] <jo-erlend> I'm happy to test, if someone tells me what and how to test.
[15:32] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: what hardware do you have in hands?
[15:32] <ogra> we'll have dailies at cdimage.ubuntu.com soon
[15:32] <jo-erlend> IGEPv2.
[15:32] <ogra> oh, i dont think we support that OOTB
[15:32] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: cool, I believe we'll soon have an x-loader for that
[15:32] <rsalveti> once the patches are merged upstream
[15:32] <ogra> you will need to replace x-loader at least
[15:32] <rsalveti> probably
[15:32] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: will ping you back then
[15:33] <jo-erlend> great.
[15:33] <ogra> NCommander, action ^^^^
[15:33] <ogra> :)
[15:33] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:33] <rsalveti> NCommander is generally so fast, what's happening today?
[15:33] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, can you put up some really loud heavy metal to keep him awake ?
[15:34] <ogra> :D
[15:34] <GrueMaster> It is 7:32am here.  Lack of caffeine.
[15:34] <NCommander> ogra: having laptop issues
[15:34] <GrueMaster> And no, as that would keep me awake too.
[15:34] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:34] <rsalveti> slacker
[15:34] <ogra> *g*
[15:34] <GrueMaster> Continuing to do update testing due to lack of images since 1/12.
[15:35] <GrueMaster> (12/1 for you european folk)
[15:35] <ogra> we should change the order of the standing items
[15:35] <ogra> so i can report on image stuff before QA
[15:35] <rsalveti> yup
[15:35] <GrueMaster> Installed unity-2d yesterday.  No icons as of yet.  Still looking into.
[15:35] <rsalveti> NCommander: ^
[15:36] <ogra> GrueMaster, unity will have its own topic
[15:36]  * GrueMaster pauses for aob items to be handled.
[15:36] <GrueMaster> You asked for QA status.  Thisis my QA status.
[15:36] <ogra> yep
[15:36] <ogra> that was no complaint, just a hint
[15:36] <NCommander> GrueMaster: thought that was on ARM only, not x86
[15:36] <jo-erlend> rsalveti, you mentioned once that you were going to have a look at Ubuntu ARM on Nokia N900. Did that result in anything?
[15:37] <ogra> jo-erlend, can we keep that for AOB?
[15:37] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: latest update I made I got a working kernel for it, just lack proper userspace hacks
[15:37] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: we can discuss this on #ubuntu-arm
[15:37] <ogra> or that
[15:37] <ogra> NCommander, move ?
[15:38] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:38] <ogra> would make sense to have unity-2d now
[15:38] <NCommander> k
[15:38] <ogra> ah, or that
[15:38] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D
[15:38] <ogra> i just mean before images ;)
[15:38]  * NCommander is unsure who to assign to it :-P
[15:38] <ogra> so i spend the time since i got off the plane to make the packages properly installable
[15:38] <ogra> as of yesterday they install fine, the metacity patch is in and working
[15:38] <ogra> i only could test on x86 yet though
[15:38] <rsalveti> cool
[15:39] <NCommander> ogra: \o/
[15:39] <ogra> and due to the places transition of unity 3d we dont have places and dash working atm
[15:39] <rsalveti> I also worked with Kaleo yesterday to improve the performance of places and spread on panda
[15:39] <ogra> dash looks good but is non functional currently
[15:39] <GrueMaster> Odd that it works on i386 but not on armel.
[15:39] <ogra> nor does the search function in the dash work
[15:39] <ogra> that will all come back once places is fixed
[15:39] <GrueMaster> The icons & places I mean.
[15:39] <ogra> which is supposed to be done this week
[15:40] <ogra> i dont know about the icons
[15:40] <ogra> we need to research wwhy it doesnt work on arm
[15:40] <rsalveti> ogra: when are you planning to change it to be the default one?
[15:40] <ogra> for the packaging there are some tasks pending which i'm working on
[15:40] <ogra> fixes of the copyright and branches in control is my first task
[15:41] <ogra> i'm 80% through .., but need to talk to NCommander (off meeting) about some commits that werent uploaded
[15:41] <ogra> then we need to rename the session to follow the new natty scheme
[15:41] <ogra> desktop team asked for that
[15:41] <ogra> after that we are supposed to merge unity-2d-default-settings and unity-2d
[15:42] <ogra> once these three are done i'll file MIRs
[15:42] <rsalveti> cool
[15:42] <ogra> and see that we get them approved
[15:42] <rsalveti> are we planning to use it by default at alpha 2?
[15:42] <ogra> once thats done we can change the seeds
[15:42] <rsalveti> mir would take some time, but maybe possible
[15:42] <ogra> depends if i can finish the three tasks and the MIRs before A2
[15:42] <ogra> cross your fingers
[15:42] <ogra> MIR team is slow
[15:42] <rsalveti> yup :-(
[15:43] <ogra> i expect to have the packaging bits done by monday evening
[15:43] <ogra> and MIRs files by tue.
[15:43] <ogra> so if we can make the MIR team work fast the packages could be in on wed. which would give us a chance for A2
[15:44] <rsalveti> that would be awesome
[15:44] <ogra> there is a liuvecd-rootfs change required to use the new session by default
[15:44] <rsalveti> omap 3 back and now new interface
[15:44] <ogra> i dont really want to do that before i know the packages are in
[15:44] <ogra> else we end up without any default session
[15:44] <ogra> post that we have to care for the efl bits to be demoted to universe btw
[15:45] <ogra> thats all for unity-2d
[15:45] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:45] <rsalveti> NCommander: ^
[15:45] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:45] <ogra> move ;)
[15:45] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:46] <ogra> janimo, ??
[15:46] <janimo> some progress on haskell stuff
[15:46] <ogra> i'm poked by mono gusy about banshee
[15:46] <janimo> and on bugs I got reassigned from David S.
[15:46] <ogra> but i think we wait for a new upstream here
[15:46] <ogra> they claim that it works "since years"
[15:46] <janimo> ogra, for banhshee I am waiting for 1.9.2 upload to natty to test
[15:47] <rsalveti> janimo: what packages did you have issues with the builders?
[15:47] <janimo> rsalveti, let me get the bug from LP
[15:47] <ogra> who is David S. ?
[15:47] <NCommander> ogra: David Sugar
[15:47] <ogra> ah
[15:47] <ogra> heh
[15:47] <rsalveti> lol
[15:47] <GrueMaster> ogra: The banshee upstream team reports that it works on x86.  They haven't tested on armel.
[15:47] <janimo> rsalveti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/705344
[15:48] <ogra> GrueMaster, no, i got mails today where they claim it works on armel "since years"
[15:48] <ogra> dunno really what to answer
[15:48] <janimo> ogra, it may be specific to armv7
[15:48] <NCommander> ogra: how about 'test it on panda'? :-)
[15:48] <janimo> we'll see once we have 1.9.2
[15:48] <ogra> or thumb2
[15:48] <rsalveti> janimo: did you try those with your panda?
[15:48] <GrueMaster> On armv7 or armv5?
[15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, are we talking about banshee crash now?
[15:49] <ogra> jcastro added me to the mail discussion
[15:49] <GrueMaster> It fails on all of my arm platforms here.
[15:49] <rsalveti> janimo: sorry, the ones with issues with the builders
[15:49] <ogra> i'll ask about default compiler settings and which toolchain they used for that
[15:49] <ogra> janimo, sorry mixed discussions above
[15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, yes, most build fine on panda
[15:49]  * ogra stays quiet
[15:50] <GrueMaster> there's a first.  :p
[15:50]  * NCommander enjoys this moment
[15:50] <janimo> those build for a long time on x86 as well, the specific files which time out
[15:50] <janimo> for a long time as in it takes long
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra: GrueMaster: how much memory do we have at the older builders?
[15:50] <ogra> 512M
[15:50] <janimo> I was hoping the new beagle boards would be better but I heard the existing ones also had 512 RAM
[15:50] <rsalveti> hm, same as xm
[15:51] <janimo> so not sure if they help
[15:51] <ogra> and 4G of swamp
[15:51] <ogra> err
[15:51] <ogra> swap
[15:51] <rsalveti> 30G actually
[15:51] <ogra> 30 o_O
[15:51] <ogra> oh
[15:51] <janimo> so no progress until pandas
[15:51] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[15:51]  * GrueMaster thinks swamp was the correct term
[15:51] <ogra> lamont set up some XMs in the datacenter
[15:51] <ogra> i wonder if we could redirect a build to one of them
[15:52] <rsalveti> yup, that's why janimo was happy to test with it
[15:52] <ogra> but to my knowledge they are linaro exclusively
[15:52] <ogra> and wer dont really want XMs in the pool permanently i think
[15:52] <janimo> ogra, I actually saw regular builds on the new machines
[15:52] <rsalveti> hm, I believe they are regular builds
[15:52] <janimo> their names end in *ecae
[15:53] <janimo> or somehting
[15:53] <ogra> hmm
[15:53] <janimo> *eace
[15:53] <rsalveti> but sure, that should be replaced with pandas
[15:53] <janimo> even one panda would help, but pointless to discuss now I guess
[15:53]  * ogra checks https://launchpad.net/builders
[15:53] <rsalveti> panda unfortunately is not stable atm
[15:53] <ogra> GEEZ !!!
[15:53] <rsalveti> because of the mem issues
[15:54] <ogra> 15 builders !
[15:54] <rsalveti> it helps, but not as good as it should
[15:54] <rsalveti> yup
[15:54] <rsalveti> and we're running out of time
[15:54] <ogra> do we ?
[15:54] <NCommander> ogra: me thinks lamont and the rest of IS had fun
[15:54] <ogra> NCommander, rsalveti had
[15:54] <rsalveti> for sure
[15:54] <ogra> providing help to get them up
[15:54] <rsalveti> I helped creating the images and etc
[15:55] <rsalveti> any other point to discuss at this topic?
[15:55] <GrueMaster> heh.  One of them is rebuilding the mdove kernel in natty.
[15:55] <ogra> rsalveti, why are we running out of time ?
[15:55] <ogra> i didnt get that point
[15:56] <rsalveti> meeting
[15:56] <ogra> we're only discussing universe builds, right
[15:56] <ogra> oh
[15:56] <ogra> i thought ftbfs builds :)
[15:56] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:56] <ogra> NCommander, move !!!!!!
[15:56] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:56] <ogra> yeah
[15:56] <GrueMaster> broken.
[15:56] <ogra> i worked on getting as mush as possible in sync the last days
[15:56] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:56] <ogra> but there is one blocker
[15:57] <rsalveti> ogra: what about the webkit blocker?
[15:57] <ogra> RB ftbfs
[15:57] <rsalveti> what's blocking that?
[15:57] <ogra> and thus the old RB depends on old webkit
[15:57] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[15:57] <NCommander> (we're going to run over quickly, and I don't want to bump into the tech board(?) meeting that follows this one)
[15:57] <ogra> seb128 promised me a new upstream RB upload for today
[15:57] <ogra> but i havent seen that yet
[15:58] <ogra> if it wont be in by end of my day, i'll unseed RB
[15:58] <ogra> so we will have images tomorrow in any case
[15:58] <ogra> NCommander, move
[15:58] <NCommander> nice
[15:58] <ogra> :)
[15:58] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:58]  * NCommander ha snothing
[15:58] <ogra> GrueMaster, had something
[15:59] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ?
[15:59] <GrueMaster> No, I was just waiting for the othe aob discussions to finish so I could continue QA status.
[15:59] <ogra> NCommander, do something against your snothing :P
[15:59] <NCommander> my what?
[15:59] <NCommander> GrueMaster: GrueMaster we're almost out of time, anythng critical that has to be brought up?
[16:00] <GrueMaster> nope.
[16:00] <ogra> fnish
[16:00] <ogra> :)
[16:00] <rsalveti> go
[16:00] <NCommander> going once
[16:00] <NCommander> twice
[16:00] <NCommander> three times
[16:00] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:00.
[16:00] <ogra> wow
[16:00] <rsalveti> \o/
[16:00] <ogra> thats timing
[16:00] <NCommander> \o/
[19:00]  * charlie-tca__ waves
[19:00] <vinnl> Yay, I'm here :)
[19:00] <charlie-tca__> Giving everyone a minute to arrive...
[19:00]  * micahg waves
[19:01] <charlie-tca__> #startmeeting
[19:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca__.
[19:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:01] <charlie-tca__> May as well start in, huh?
[19:02] <charlie-tca__> I am testing pidgin today, so I got two logins in some channels
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] a full agenda for today is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  a full agenda for today is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> I know someday we won't have anymore... :-)
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> pleia2: here?
[19:04] <pleia2> yep
[19:04] <charlie-tca__> converting website to new logo and icons ??
[19:04] <charlie-tca__> We got this one in work now, don't we?
[19:04] <pleia2> yep, cody-somerville got me access to the site and gave me the link to where the drupal stuff is stored in bzr
[19:05] <pleia2> I'm working with knome to get a design put together
[19:05] <charlie-tca__> Great! Thank you for doing that.
[19:05] <pleia2> sure thing
[19:05] <beardygnome> hi, sorry i'm late
[19:05] <charlie-tca__> knome is great when it comes to websites. He was talking about converting to wordpress, at one time, too.
[19:06]  * charlie-tca__ waves at beardygnome 
[19:06]  * beardygnome waves back at charlie-tca
[19:06] <charlie-tca__> take the discussion about default launchers to the ML
[19:06] <charlie-tca__> I sent the email out, with rather disappointing results so far.
[19:07] <charlie-tca__> It may come down to deciding here what gets used, which is also fine. I think there is some resistance to change defaults.
[19:08] <charlie-tca__> and, we are actively trying to get thorwil and ochosi together for the wallpaper colors
[19:08] <beardygnome> brb
[19:08] <charlie-tca__> I think that takes of old business, doesn't it?
[19:09] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates - Team Leads
[19:09] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Packaging & Development
[19:09] <charlie-tca__> mr_pouit: are you available today?
[19:10] <beardygnome> back
[19:10] <charlie-tca__> hmm, well, Xfce announced the release of 4.8 on Sunday
[19:11] <charlie-tca__> It is being packaged for Natty Narwhal first.
[19:11] <charlie-tca__> micahg: did you and mr_pouit get together about backporting it to maverick and lucid?
[19:11] <beardygnome> do you know how that's going, charlie-tca__?
[19:11] <micahg> charlie-tca__: not yet
[19:12] <charlie-tca__> beardygnome: near as I can tell, most of it is minor package updates, mainly language
[19:12] <charlie-tca__> or translations
[19:12] <charlie-tca__> I think if you are running Natty, you are real close to final 4.8
[19:13] <beardygnome> I'm running Maverick at the moment, but I have a Natty VM that's a couple of weeks old
[19:13] <beardygnome> are we OK to start running updates on the Natty image now?
[19:14] <charlie-tca__> There is a ppa for 4.8 in lucid. I do not know the individual with it, nor is alexx2000 a member of any teams. He is new in launchpad as of October 17
[19:14] <charlie-tca__> and I don't know how complete the ppa is for lucid
[19:14] <charlie-tca__> anything else on development and packaging?
[19:15] <charlie-tca__> oops, wrong date there. the person signed into launchpad January 17
[19:15] <charlie-tca__> of 2010
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> We have kept the number of new bugs level this week.
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> As for testing, the images installed one day this week only
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> the running Natty installs are working fine, from what I can tell.
[19:18] <charlie-tca__> I do run Natty on a 64bit system here
[19:19] <charlie-tca__> We should start ISO testing for alpha2 about the 1st of February. Everyone is welcome to help with that
[19:20] <charlie-tca__> any questions on bugs and triage?
[19:20] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:21] <charlie-tca__> vinnl or pleia2 : got any updates?
[19:21] <vinnl> Not me, the only thing I'm doing is posting news messages when needed...
[19:21] <charlie-tca__> We still a Marketing Lead, seriously, for Xubuntu.
[19:22] <pleia2> same as above really, knome is thinking of redoing the whole site so we'll be creating a drupal template and presenting it
[19:22] <charlie-tca__> vinnl: will need an announcement for alpha2 the 3rd
[19:22] <pleia2> not sure about timeline though, he's out of town for at least a week right now
[19:22] <charlie-tca__> Works for me
[19:22]  * vinnl adds to agenda
[19:22] <charlie-tca__> Send any prospective marketing leaders to me, please.
[19:23] <pleia2> I've been working with the -adverts folks some lately, I'll be sure to mention that xubuntu could use a marketing lead if the opportunity arises
[19:23] <charlie-tca__> thanks. We need all the help we can get
[19:24] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Artwork
[19:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Artwork
[19:24] <charlie-tca__> Greybird and elementary fonts are looking good
[19:24] <beardygnome> I'm running Greybird on my Maverick installs and liking it a lot
[19:25] <charlie-tca__> We will be discussing the default launchers next week, for anyone interested.
[19:25] <charlie-tca__> beardygnome: would you recommend it to anyone not yet on natty that wants to see it, then?
[19:26] <beardygnome> it's definitely worth a lokk
[19:26] <beardygnome> *look
[19:27] <charlie-tca__> wOw - a chance to see the new theme, and you don't even need natty installed! and ochosi would appreciate any issues you find, even in Maverick.
[19:27] <WhitePelican> what is greybird?
[19:27] <charlie-tca__> The theme we plan to use in Natty Narwhal.
[19:27] <WhitePelican> ah
[19:28] <charlie-tca__> Learn all about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[19:28] <beardygnome> here's a link to the latest (I think) version: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/rev/33411ef772ac
[19:28] <beardygnome> [LINK] http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/rev/33411ef772ac
[19:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/rev/33411ef772ac
[19:28] <charlie-tca__> Thanks, beardygnome
[19:29] <charlie-tca__> any other questions about artwork?
[19:29] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Announcements
[19:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements
[19:30] <charlie-tca__> I sent out the email about voting for Project Lead. Next week will have an vote for the Lead. Thanks to pleia2 for taking on the task of tracking the email votes and negative comments on it.
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> Xfce 4.8 is out. It is not packaged for Maverick 10.10 or Lucid 10.04 at this time.
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[19:31] <micahg> o/
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> Raise you hand, voice, etc if you have anything else we should discuss.
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> micahg: go ahead
[19:32] <micahg> Thunderbird 3.1.7 translations just uploaded to lucid-proposed, new translations for Gaelic, Galician, and Serbian
[19:32] <micahg> will be in 10.04.2
[19:33] <micahg> if anyone uses those languages and can test, comments welcome on bug 705028
[19:33] <charlie-tca__> That just gets better and better
[19:34] <charlie-tca__> thank you for that information, micahg . Let's hope we get it tested
[19:34] <charlie-tca__> and one more...
[19:34] <charlie-tca__> Ubuntu User Days is coming Saturday January 29
[19:35] <pleia2> oh right, the schedule hasn't been officially posted yet (confirming some final instructors) but I'll be doing the xfce part of a session on desktop options
[19:35] <pleia2> (maco is covering gnome and kde)
[19:36] <beardygnome> sounds good
[19:36] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[19:40] <charlie-tca> hm, well that takes care of my daily power outage
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I apologize for that.
[19:40] <pleia2> wb
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Is there any other business
[19:40] <beardygnome> are the natty repos down at the moment?
[19:40] <beardygnome> i can't get my natty vm to upgrade
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Not that I know, but they been on and off, too
[19:41] <charlie-tca> I use the U.S. archives, and they have been working
[19:41] <beardygnome> is there a newer iso available?  i have one from before xmas
[19:41] <charlie-tca> did we end the meeting?
[19:41] <pleia2> not yet :)
[19:42] <maco> beardygnome: there are daily ones
[19:42] <charlie-tca> and will it work with a different nick?
[19:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: you're the chair :)
[19:42] <charlie-tca> yeah, but what happens when the chair loses the power and goes away?
[19:42] <micahg> er, charlie-tca__ is the chair :-/
[19:42] <pleia2> you'll probably have to /nick charlie-tca__ to end
[19:42] <beardygnome> maco: can you send me the link?
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> I no longer have mootbot
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> #endmeeting
[19:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:43.
[19:43] <maco> beardygnome: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> Thanks, everyone, for being here.
[19:43] <maco> beardygnome: choose daily for an alternate cd or daily-live for a live cd
[19:43] <beardygnome> maco: thanks
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> hm, were we done?
[19:44] <beardygnome> does the current image have the new panel layout?
[19:44] <charlie-tca__> yes
[19:44] <charlie-tca__> I think it does, but it is not yet final
[19:44] <beardygnome> cool, looking forward to trying that
[19:44] <charlie-tca__> It at least uses greybird
[19:45] <charlie-tca__> although the last time, I had to CTRL+ALT+SysRq+k at the login screen to change themes in the desktop
[19:45] <beardygnome> what's that the command for?
[19:46] <charlie-tca__> reset X
[19:46] <charlie-tca__> used to be Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, I think
[19:46] <beardygnome> tanks
[19:46] <beardygnome> *thanks
[19:50] <vinnl> Which is SysRq? :)
[19:50] <beardygnome> i believe it's another function of the PrintScreen key
[19:50] <charlie-tca> yup, printscreen
[19:51] <charlie-tca> It's one of the so-called "MagicSysRq" keys
[19:51] <vinnl> What would be their label on the keyboard? :P
[19:51] <charlie-tca> PrintScreen
[19:51] <vinnl> Ah :)
[19:52] <charlie-tca> or PrntScrn
[19:52] <charlie-tca> older keyboards show both on the same key, PrntScrn/sysRq
[22:03] <Ayrton> pleia2, the meeting for new members is today?
[22:04] <pleia2> Ayrton: yes, in 3 hours
[22:04] <Ayrton> thanks :)
[22:49] <JackyAlcine> O.o I want to watch. Is it for Ubuntu Members or something else?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> It is open to anyone that wants to attend. this will be the Americas Regional Membership Board meeting, so many will not be members yet
[23:02] <czajkowski> JackyAlcine: anyone can idle in the channel
[23:03] <JackyAlcine> :D
[23:04] <JackyAlcine> Funny enough, I'm in North America.
[23:06] <charlie-tca> then you will apply to this board when you are ready for membership
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Here is the information on it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas