| pleia2 | hooray!! | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| akk | yay! | 00:00 |
| nhaines | Oh wow, Jane Silber (CEO of Canonical) will be giving one of the keynotes this year. | 00:44 |
| akk | Two for two women keynoters! | 00:45 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I noticed that the other night and smiled :) | 00:47 |
| pleia2 | yay leigh and jane! | 00:47 |
| pleia2 | kinda makes me think "are we done? can we pack up the ubuntu women project and go home now?" ;) | 00:49 |
| nhaines | pleia2: it's not time to put the chairs on the tables and turn off the lights just yet. :) | 00:49 |
| pleia2 | well, hopefully some time in the next few years | 00:50 |
| dragon | jtatum, MarkDude: We have a slot available at Yahoo! LAMP Meetup next month, and I'm wondering if there's something you'd like to present. | 01:29 |
| dragon | pleia2, Yasumoto, jledbetter, others in the area who might be interested in presenting, please see above ^ | 01:30 |
| MarkDude | Fedora and the lampstack of course | 01:30 |
| dragon | MarkDude: Fedora vs Ubuntu? | 01:30 |
| MarkDude | After that I can do Slackware and LAMP | 01:31 |
| MarkDude | No vs | 01:31 |
| dragon | alright, I think that sounds reasonable. | 01:31 |
| dragon | What'd be the content? | 01:31 |
| MarkDude | If I were doing a comparison, I would have 3 or more, and I dont really know that much more with the exception of Puppy:D | 01:32 |
| * MarkDude looked into LAMP for Fedora at the same time as my last talk | 01:33 | |
| MarkDude | Pretty straight forward | 01:33 |
| dragon | Well, we discussed setting up LAMP on Ubuntu the last time. I was hoping for something more technical this time. | 01:33 |
| dragon | jtatum talked about PHP on Ubuntu, right? | 01:33 |
| MarkDude | Then what the hell are you doing talking to me? | 01:33 |
| MarkDude | lol | 01:34 |
| dragon | MarkDude: you don't have to be a developer to give a techie talk ;) | 01:34 |
| * MarkDude kids. I was thinking I would do the talk in a similar fashion to jtatum did | 01:35 | |
| MarkDude | All professional, with slides matching. | 01:35 |
| dragon | yep, and also if you know someone else who's willing to talk, that works too. | 01:35 |
| dragon | o.O | 01:35 |
| MarkDude | http://fedorasolved.org/server-solutions/lamp-stack | 01:36 |
| MarkDude | Its called unity -lol | 01:37 |
| dragon | Namespace collision | 01:37 |
| dragon | setting up a Python framework on Linux would be a good talk too. | 01:37 |
| dragon | Doing a hello world in Django ain't that easy. | 01:38 |
| dragon | Will 2/24 work for the LAMP meetup? I suppose not, since SCaLE is on the following weekend. | 01:42 |
| MarkDude | Hmmm | 01:42 |
| MarkDude | When is the Ignite at the Dojo? | 01:43 |
| MarkDude | Did you see what Van sent out? | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | I saw a cancel notice | 01:43 |
| MarkDude | Yes and a link to the dojo having one | 01:43 |
| MarkDude | and taking Speaker suggestion/ideas | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | ahhttp://events.hackerdojo.com/event/383001-ignite-silicon-valley-3 | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | feb 11th | 01:44 |
| MarkDude | Cool | 01:44 |
| MarkDude | dragon, can we do confirmation on it tomorrow? | 01:46 |
| dragon | yes, MarkDude. | 01:46 |
| dragon | Proposed date is 2/17 | 01:46 |
| MarkDude | Can I Ustream it | 01:46 |
| MarkDude | ? | 01:47 |
| jledbetter | dragon, Can't but thank you for thinking of me:) | 01:47 |
| jledbetter | MarkDude, And you are hilarious, sir :) | 01:47 |
| dragon | MarkDude: yes, of course! | 01:48 |
| dragon | jledbetter: you're welcome. :) If you have anyone else in mind who might be interested and available, it'd be great! | 01:49 |
| jledbetter | dragon, Maybe nUb? He's offline though. | 01:53 |
| jledbetter | Oh! And ustreaming? srsly? That'd rock :) Saw some from nygivecamp and thought it was a fantastic idea. Surprised more don't do it. | 01:53 |
| * MarkDude has his video from his session on the Ustream | 01:54 | |
| MarkDude | Horrible video | 01:54 |
| MarkDude | Ok sound | 01:54 |
| dragon | MarkDude: this time we could use the phone to stream directly. I think it stores things offline and uploads them differently to improve the quality. | 01:55 |
| MarkDude | It is real easy to do, the camera is not so great on this machine. We had a wireless mic- made into a directional using a dixie cup | 01:55 |
| dragon | Oh yeah, that part worked well I suppose! | 01:56 |
| MarkDude | Sure. we could do the phone thing direct | 01:56 |
| MarkDude | jledbetter, maybe another time we can have our names on the same bill. | 01:57 |
| jledbetter | MarkDude, Yep :) For sure! | 01:59 |
| * jledbetter will warm up the crowd for ya. | 02:00 | |
| MarkDude | lol | 02:00 |
| * MarkDude has decided to let people vote on me wearing the Penguin suit for talk, when it is relevant | 02:00 | |
| MarkDude | Like it truly ever is, but, I digress... | 02:01 |
| jledbetter | lol | 02:02 |
| pleia2 | btw, this is not diner food http://www.fogcitydiner.com/menu_dinner.html | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | oh san francisco | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | ur doin' it wrong | 02:03 |
| jledbetter | You are correct. That is not. I guess that is "west coast diner" or "fusion diner" ;) | 02:06 |
| MarkDude | That is food people eat after returning home from drinking all night | 02:08 |
| MarkDude | 3am party | 02:08 |
| jledbetter | Oh? 3am party around here is Denny's :D | 02:09 |
| jledbetter | Though I absolutely loved Love N Haight. Mmmm. | 02:09 |
| ekajjake | hey | 03:31 |
| MarkDude | hello ekajjake | 03:44 |
| ekajjake | just found this irc channel hha | 03:45 |
| ekajjake | woo | 03:45 |
| ekajjake | ! | 03:45 |
| jtatum | welcome | 03:46 |
| MarkDude | California Team, welcome | 03:47 |
| jtatum | how'd you find us? | 03:47 |
| ekajjake | i was looking around the ubuntu wiki | 04:18 |
| MarkDude | There are ubuntu Hours in a few places in the state ekajjake | 04:53 |
| MarkDude | Im Mark nice to meet you | 04:53 |
| akk | Speaking of Ubuntu hours, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california says mountain view is on Jan. 21 (that's Fri) | 04:55 |
| akk | but http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/608/detail/ says it's Thu, 20 Jan | 04:56 |
| rww | huh, LoCo Directory does timezones now? | 04:57 |
| rww | (considering that it's on 21st in UTCland, perhaps timezones are new and it's a bug) | 05:00 |
| rww | ah, yes. the bug to track adding TZ support to LP got closed this past release, so timezones are new. | 05:02 |
| rww | s/LP/LD/ | 05:02 |
| akk | ugh -- if the events on that page are in UTC we should try to get the page to say so. | 05:04 |
| akk | Nobody searching for an event on a page that says "California" would assume UTC by default. | 05:05 |
| rww | indeed | 05:05 |
| rww | report a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug ;) | 05:06 |
| akk | Should I? Is this likely not known? | 05:07 |
| rww | I didn't see a bug reported for it, half of the developers are in UTC or close to it, and that project really likes bug reports, so yes. | 05:07 |
| akk | okay, will do | 05:08 |
| akk | Hmm, before I file the bug: I'm not convinced this is a timezone problem. The San Diego one says Jan 22 on the events page and also if I click through to the page just for that event. | 05:13 |
| akk | Maybe it's just that the Mountain View one was listed with the wrong date. | 05:13 |
| rww | the san diego one's in Jan 22 in UTC | 05:14 |
| rww | if my hypothesis is right, anything in our timezone that's before 4PM UTC will look fine | 05:14 |
| rww | sorry, 4PM local | 05:14 |
| akk | Oh, it's 11am. | 05:14 |
| rww | (midnight UTC) | 05:14 |
| akk | And SCALE (which is also right) is probably also listed as a morning time. | 05:15 |
| rww | yup. Looks like they're using the start date/time, which is 9am | 05:16 |
| akk | filed | 05:20 |
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| MarkDude | pleia2, aaditya, rbarot_ nUboon2Age would you be free on Sunday for a BBQ and getting some hardware ready for donation? | 20:23 |
| pleia2 | unfortunately not, I'm on call this weekend | 20:23 |
| MarkDude | other folks in the area also | 20:23 |
| nUboon2Age | sounds like fun. i'm not sure if i could go all the way to the east bay though | 20:23 |
| MarkDude | we can pick you up from dublin | 20:23 |
| MarkDude | nUboon2Age, | 20:23 |
| * pleia2 chained to desk fri-mon | 20:24 | |
| MarkDude | if aaditya can make it | 20:24 |
| nUboon2Age | yeah if aaditya could make it that would make it soooooooooooooooo much more reasonable and doable MarkDude | 20:24 |
| nUboon2Age | i could then ride w/ him | 20:24 |
| * MarkDude claps hands together to summon the power of the DRAGON | 20:25 | |
| MarkDude | :) | 20:25 |
| nUboon2Age | i have church in the morning and until the early afternoon MarkDude though | 20:25 |
| nUboon2Age | but later in the pm would work | 20:25 |
| nUboon2Age | like no earlier than 3pm | 20:25 |
| MarkDude | k | 20:26 |
| MarkDude | It is just a few machines, 3 people would be enough | 20:27 |
| MarkDude | More the merrier tho | 20:27 |
| MarkDude | many hands= light work | 20:28 |
| nUboon2Age | what kinds of things do you want to do to/with the machines? | 20:31 |
| nUboon2Age | MarkDude: ^ | 20:35 |
| MarkDude | make sure we have at least one P4 with 512 ram for Partimus- installed and working | 20:36 |
| MarkDude | at least one for the Philippines | 20:36 |
| MarkDude | can be P3 | 20:36 |
| MarkDude | test a few components like cards, memory etc | 20:37 |
| MarkDude | mostly take the flowcharts that free geek has, see how well they work for us | 20:37 |
| MarkDude | modify etc | 20:37 |
| MarkDude | we are doing this in a one day model | 20:38 |
| nUboon2Age | Tonight: Mountain View Ubuntu Hour 7PM Red Rock Coffee on Castro Street and Villa; Details and RSVP: aaditya, akk, jamalta, jamie, coherence, crashsystems, crashsystems1, ekajjake, esrrms, jamalta, jiboumans, jledbetter, jtatum, rbarot_, seidos, Yasumoto, MarkDude | 20:38 |
| nUboon2Age | Details and RSVP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/608/detail/ | 20:38 |
| seidos | nUboon2Age, i'm not in SF anymore | 20:38 |
| nUboon2Age | oh bummer man. seidos | 20:39 |
| nUboon2Age | you mean you moved to San Jose seidos? :-) THE City? | 20:39 |
| seidos | nUboon2Age, yeah, it was time to leave...but things are okay here. | 20:39 |
| seidos | nUboon2Age, ha, no. there is no place in San Jose for me. just as there is no place for me in SF | 20:40 |
| nUboon2Age | i wouldn't be so sure amigo, seidos | 20:40 |
| seidos | well, unless i was diesel enough to live in a park or something | 20:40 |
| jamie | nUboon2Age, mountainview is a bit of a drive from vallejo.. waiting for one in san fran or closer | 20:40 |
| nUboon2Age | diesel enough? never heard that expression seidos | 20:40 |
| seidos | nUboon2Age, strong/tough | 20:40 |
| seidos | capable? | 20:41 |
| MarkDude | jamie, what about you? I am in Danville | 20:41 |
| MarkDude | Slightly closer :) | 20:41 |
| jamie | is there a ubuntu hour in danville? | 20:41 |
| nUboon2Age | MarkDude: when are you and your buds going to start a Lindependence Hour in the East Bay to include folk like jamie? | 20:42 |
| MarkDude | I meant for Sunday the BBQ and hardware thing | 20:42 |
| MarkDude | We are installing Ubuntu on the machines | 20:42 |
| nUboon2Age | well i keep wondering when you're going to do a Lindependence Hour though, MarkDude | 20:42 |
| jamie | ok im sorry i missed that what are the details? | 20:42 |
| jamie | what is lindependence hour? | 20:43 |
| nUboon2Age | just like Ubuntu Hour except multi-distro jamie | 20:43 |
| pleia2 | ubuntu hour: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour | 20:44 |
| MarkDude | Meet at my place Sunday in the afternoon BBQ, and take some of the computers we have and get then ready to donate | 20:44 |
| MarkDude | 2 of them just need installs and burn-in | 20:44 |
| MarkDude | I want to test some memory we are giving to Partimus | 20:45 |
| jamie | MarkDude, sunday afternoons i teach a sunday school class in napa saturday wouldnt work? | 20:45 |
| MarkDude | Np, jamie another time :) | 20:45 |
| jamie | sorry sundays are always busy but saturdays and most evenings i can work in | 20:46 |
| MarkDude | Which reminds me- if anyone has any memory lying around let me know- the school Linux computer labs have 20+ machines that mostly need memory | 20:47 |
| jamie | i have a bunch of extra hard drive but no ram? | 20:47 |
| jamie | oops didnt mean to add '?' | 20:47 |
| MarkDude | it would be cheap and easy to mail. We need 512 ram to keep them not slow | 20:48 |
| MarkDude | hold on to them - when we meet I can pick them up and bring them to the lab | 20:48 |
| MarkDude | go ahead and DBAN them to get them ready if you want to :) | 20:48 |
| jamie | they are formatted but what is dban? | 20:49 |
| MarkDude | dban.org | 20:49 |
| MarkDude | Dariks boot and nuke | 20:49 |
| MarkDude | protects privacy | 20:49 |
| MarkDude | we use it on every hard drive | 20:50 |
| pleia2 | essentially a lower level disk format | 20:50 |
| jamie | cool ill have to look that up | 20:50 |
| MarkDude | or hit it with hammer | 20:50 |
| MarkDude | most important thing with donations is to do that | 20:50 |
| MarkDude | pleia2, is correct, it also writes it with random data, to make it Dept of defense level secure | 20:51 |
| jamie | i have a window washer that does that also but it takes for ever | 20:55 |
| MarkDude | DOD level 7 can take a whole day for a large drive | 21:04 |
| nUboon2Age | pleia2: i just noticed a bug: all the dates are one day off on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california | 21:16 |
| pleia2 | that's because it's showing in UTC time, akk filed a bug last night | 21:17 |
| nUboon2Age | oh good | 21:17 |
| nUboon2Age | pleia2: did you or could you please tweet tonight's Ubuntu Hour? | 21:27 |
| pleia2 | right! I'll get to that as soon as I'm off the phone w/ boss | 21:27 |
| nUboon2Age | ty pleia2 | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | hey seidos how are you doing in the new year! | 22:15 |
| seidos | iheartubuntu, not bad, not good | 22:15 |
| seidos | you? | 22:15 |
| iheartubuntu | about the same | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | cant get a loan refi. sucks. | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | house half value as when i bought it (gulp) | 22:16 |
| seidos | i have property and i don't have property | 22:16 |
| iheartubuntu | enjoy ubuntu now that i skinned it with the dark version of elementary | 22:19 |
| iheartubuntu | gosh, feels like a brand new system all of a sudden | 22:20 |
| rww | I got a new power adapter for my netbook. 350MB of updates from now, I'll be able to play with Natty again ;) | 22:20 |
| iheartubuntu | how is natty coming along? | 22:21 |
| iheartubuntu | ive had to focus on other stuff lately | 22:22 |
| rww | Still very alpha. devel releases tend to take about another month to be usable, and natty's no exception. Coding a whole new shell doesn't help that. | 22:22 |
| iheartubuntu | we dont have to use unity do we? | 22:22 |
| rww | although it probably got better in the last couple of weeks, we'll see | 22:23 |
| iheartubuntu | i like 10.10 just the way it is! | 22:23 |
| rww | iheartubuntu: no, there's an option for whether to use it or the regular gnome-panel desktop on the login screen | 22:23 |
| iheartubuntu | ok whwew | 22:24 |
| rww | assuming Unity and gnome-shell are both stable at release, GNOME will have three viable shells in 11.04. Should be interesting. | 22:24 |
| akk | Ugh, is ubuntu going to start co-opting the term "shell" to mean "desktop environment"? | 22:25 |
| * akk wonders what term we'll be able to use when we actually want to say "shell" | 22:25 | |
| * iheartubuntu switching back to dropbox :( | 22:26 | |
| rww | no. "shell" is the part of the desktop environment that the user clicks on to launch stuff | 22:26 |
| rww | hence gnome-shell | 22:26 |
| rww | (well, launch stuff, see current time, etc. the stuff on the screen that isn't window decorations or applications ;) | 22:27 |
| akk | It's still annoying that they're co-opting a perfectly good term that means something else already. | 22:27 |
| akk | That's something microsoft loves to do. | 22:27 |
| rww | I use KDE anyway, I'm just playing with this because I'm bored ;P | 22:29 |
| rww | (which uses the term "Plasma Workspace") | 22:30 |
| iheartubuntu | why KDE over gnome? | 22:35 |
| iheartubuntu | just curious | 22:35 |
| rww | I like KDE's applications and the way things are laid out fit my workflow better. | 22:39 |
| iheartubuntu | i guess thats why i like gnome in ubuntu :) | 22:40 |
| iheartubuntu | i do like kde, but every time i use it, i have to relearn how to find my apps so i always end up back in gnome | 22:40 |
| iheartubuntu | maybe thats why im leery of unity | 22:41 |
| rww | *nods* desktop environment choice is subjective. Is why every time anything changes (buttons moving from right to left, anyone?), people get unhappy. | 22:41 |
| MarkDude | xserver has a nice simple clean Win 3.1 look | 22:44 |
| nUboon2Age | akk: gnome-shell isn't an Ubuntu term afaik. itsom GNOME i believe | 23:04 |
| nUboon2Age | akk: gnome-shell isn't an Ubuntu term afaik. its from GNOME i believe | 23:04 |
| akk | I know, gnome had the silly "gnome-shell", but that doesn't explain suddenly using the term "shell" to mean "some part of a desktop environment". | 23:05 |
| nUboon2Age | where is that happening akk? | 23:05 |
| akk | <rww> assuming Unity and gnome-shell are both stable at release, GNOME will have three viable shells in 11.04. Should be interesting. | 23:06 |
| akk | ... bash, zsh and tcsh? | 23:06 |
| rww | I note that the article on shells in wikipedia differentiates between GUI shells and CLI shells. | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | I was using an alternate windows shell in 2001, so it's not a new application of the term, maybe just new-ish to the linux world? | 23:07 |
| rww | Windows and other OSen also have a concept of GUI shells. This isn't a GNOME thing. | 23:07 |
| rww | pleia2: indeed | 23:07 |
| rww | litestep <3 | 23:07 |
| pleia2 | same :) | 23:07 |
| akk | Ah, so it's microsoft co-opting terms again! And it's only recently that ubuntu is picking it up. | 23:08 |
| rww | or it's one of the valid definitions of the word "shell" and you haven't encountered it before ;) | 23:08 |
| akk | I had never heard anyone use the term in relation to any MS GUI, but I don't spend much time in the MS world. | 23:09 |
| pleia2 | I think swapping out shells in Windows isn't very common because explorer is so super integrated with everything, so you don't hear about it too much | 23:13 |
| pleia2 | (litestep when I used it wasn't exactly the most stable thing in the world, it just looked cool and gave me more customization options than explorer) | 23:15 |
| pleia2 | luckily I soon saw the light and learned that linux was even *more* customizable - and stable! :) | 23:15 |
| nUboon2Age | i've seen talk of "Powershell" in Winduhs. don't know much about it. | 23:33 |
| nhaines | Powershell is a new CLI shell for Windows. | 23:37 |
| rww | Well, Unity doesn't work at all after natty updates. So that's fun. | 23:44 |
| seidos | weeeee | 23:49 |
| rww | and nautilus just crashed. | 23:50 |
| rww | time to see if Kubuntu packages are doing any better ;) | 23:51 |
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