[00:01] <vychune> HEEEEEEELLLLLLOOOO anybody home?
[00:01] <linuxman410> i am here
[00:01] <vychune> hey how you doing
[00:02] <linuxman410> doing ok got my netbook fixed and running jolicloud on  it
[00:02] <vychune> how is it?
[00:03] <linuxman410> pretty fast i have a old asus eeepc 701
[00:03] <vychune> wow thats nice
[00:04] <linuxman410> yeah the asus eeepc 701 is old but i hate to give up on any machine no matter how old
[00:05] <vychune> i know thats right
[00:05] <linuxman410> latest version of jolicloud is based on ubuntu 10.04
[00:05] <vychune> really i didnt know that
[00:07] <linuxman410> the 701 was my first laptop even though its a netbook so it has sentimental value
[00:07] <vychune> lol
[00:08] <vychune> im about to try it
[00:08] <linuxman410> they still sell for over a hundred dollars on ebay
[00:10] <vychune> wow really
[00:11] <linuxman410> yep
[00:12] <vychune> well moms being an ass again gotta go
[00:13] <linuxman410> seee ya later
[02:02] <cyberanger> now over 120G, yikes
[02:03] <cyberanger> says another 7 Gigs or so
[02:06] <cyberanger> should be done in 4 hours or less
[03:14] <wrst> cyberanger: hope you have plenty of drive space!
[03:46] <cyberanger> wrst: drive space is covered, 250G drive, system uses 22G of it
[03:47] <cyberanger> that's counting swap, btw
[03:47] <cyberanger> not to metion I trimmed the system down, with a backup 300G portable drive JIC
[03:48] <cyberanger> making the mirror priority one for the moment
[03:48] <cyberanger> plan on upgrading from the  250G to a 1TB or more
[03:48] <cyberanger> which'll solve the issue for a few years
[03:49] <cyberanger> and I didn't gauge security, so it's actuall gonna be between 130 and 131GB
[03:50] <cyberanger> when it's all done
[03:50] <cyberanger> source and binary, hardy and lucid
[03:50] <cyberanger> all packages
[03:50] <cyberanger> just gotta finish the security branches
[04:10] <wrst> sounds fun :)
[04:11] <wrst> well good night cyberanger finally got my wireless working with natty so letting the updates come in while i sleep
[04:11] <cyberanger> wrst: cool
[04:12] <cyberanger> when I fininsh this, I'll have the whole repo for ubuntu
[04:12] <cyberanger> but that's a month down the road at least
[04:21] <cyberanger> it'll come in handy for an installfest
[12:32] <wrst> cyberanger: when you get that set up does it stay updated?
[12:33] <cyberanger> yes and no
[12:34] <cyberanger> I've gotta cron the script
[12:34] <cyberanger> but by default all it does is update
[12:34] <cyberanger> if you've got 0 files, you gotta update everything
[12:34] <cyberanger> by downloading everything
[12:35] <wrst> which takes forever +5 days :)
[12:35] <cyberanger> sorta like wget -c
[12:35] <wrst> ahh ok
[12:35] <cyberanger> it can continue from 0, but to do so, it's gotta grab everything
[12:36] <cyberanger> I've grabbed anything, so if something changes, it'll just grab the changes
[12:36] <wrst> oh and good morning cyberanger :)
[12:36] <cyberanger> and actually I can tweak it to use rsync (which I'm actually gonna do for the long term)
[12:37] <cyberanger> which will be better, than if a file changes, it'll only grab what actually changes
[12:37] <wrst> that would be a lot easier it would seem
[12:37] <cyberanger> well, debmirror is really a useful tool, very very flexable
[12:37] <cyberanger> netritious uses it too
[12:37] <cyberanger> and it'll use http, ftp or rsync
[12:38] <cyberanger> for grabbing all files, it was a coin toss (and did take two days)
[12:38] <cyberanger> for the confrence, gonna use http
[12:38] <wrst> that much in two days probably would have taken me 10 :)
[12:38] <cyberanger> avoid firewall issues
[12:39] <cyberanger> 133G
[12:39] <cyberanger> well, actually less
[12:39] <cyberanger> I gotta do a little cleanup
[12:39] <cyberanger> but if you don't need source, and pull security from it's default
[12:39] <wrst> i remember when we only had hard drives measured in MB's cyberanger :\
[12:40] <cyberanger> you can really be flexable about it
[12:40] <cyberanger> wrst: I would say your old, but I can recall those machines too
[12:40] <cyberanger> so doing that would be a low blow
[12:40] <wrst> ha ha first machine i had was a 500 something MB machine so i'm not overly ancient
[12:40] <cyberanger> even for my low standards
[12:40] <wrst> however i did have a commodore 64 when i was about 10
[12:41] <cyberanger> Tandy something or other
[12:41] <cyberanger> supposidly a laptop (thus I joke about the model being a Tandy Suitcase)
[12:41] <cyberanger> somewhere in between those two
[12:42] <cyberanger> I can't recall for sure
[12:42] <cyberanger> but my first computer was 13.9 GB (the first one that was 100% mine, could do anything I wanted with it)
[12:43] <cyberanger> and even now, that's old, 250GB is as low as anyone seems to go
[12:43] <cyberanger> and yet, I've fit my entire system here under 20GB
[12:43] <cyberanger> not that I needed to
[12:44] <wrst> i remember there were commodore 64 "laptops" that were like a suitcase nuke or something
[12:44] <wrst> yeah if not for things like music, i could easily be happy with 20GB
[12:44] <cyberanger> there's no proof suitcase nukes exist, but ok
[12:44] <wrst> if i'm not running windows atleast, if so i think win 7 64 takes about that much space
[12:44] <cyberanger> ;-)
[12:45] <wrst> yes and israel doesn't have nukes either...
[12:46] <chibihogoshino> we used to have one
[12:46] <cyberanger> well, isreal does, but our program was more advanced than the russians, closest is the M-29 Davy Crockett (which I saw at the U.S. Army Ordnance Museum)
[12:46] <wrst> a suitcase nuke chibihogoshino?
[12:47] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[12:47] <wrst> oh yes israel does cyberanger just funny how they always denied it
[12:47] <wrst> chibihogoshino: can we take a look ? :)
[12:47] <chibihogoshino> used to
[12:47]  * wrst waves hi to the CIA
[12:48]  * wrst voluntarily signs up for several government watch list
[12:48] <chibihogoshino> i think it was a texas instruments 5" screen
[12:48] <cyberanger> wrst: it's their policy, they don't deny it either
[12:48] <wrst> their for a while they did
[12:48] <wrst> been years maybe before your time on this planet
[12:48] <chibihogoshino> two 5" disc drives
[12:49] <chibihogoshino> no hard disc tho
[12:49] <cyberanger> they apply the same policy of neither confirming or denying most of thir black ops
[12:49] <chibihogoshino> the keyboard snapped on the front
[12:49] <cyberanger> such as targetting Hamas in the UAE
[12:50] <cyberanger> both the us and russia could have had suitcase nukes, but it was seen as pointless as a nuclear hand grenade
[12:51] <wrst> why throw a hand grenade when you can toss the sink at people
[12:51] <chibihogoshino> ahh.. this was it http://oldcomputers.net/compaqi.html
[12:53] <cyberanger> and we didn't miniturize quite that far, the russians were a bit behind us, given the timeline and our achivements, I doubt it didn't happen, at least until after the fall of the soviet union (and kgb, which most of the suitcase theroies say had control of the system, not the GRU, which would have made more sense)
[12:53] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: cool
[12:54] <chibihogoshino> it was funny to think people carted them around with how small laptops are today
[12:54]  * cyberanger gives his netbook a hug, says I'm sorry I called you an outdated pos
[12:56]  * cyberanger hears the motherbord crush under the pressure of the hug D'Oh
[12:56] <chibihogoshino> heh
[12:57] <chibihogoshino> i always wanted one of these http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html
[12:58] <cyberanger> MS-DOS 3.31
[12:58] <cyberanger> that's not bad
[12:58] <wrst> nice chibihogoshino
[12:59] <wrst> i love the pic of the guy getting on the plane
[13:00] <chibihogoshino> yeah .. id like to see some one try that now..
[13:00] <chibihogoshino> but.. this is my laptop ..
[13:05] <wrst> oh goodness the security people would have a hissy
[13:06] <cyberanger> well, TSA is Thousands Standing Around, idk, might go off smoothly
[13:09] <chibihogoshino> this thing is almost a baby lenovo http://oldcomputers.net/zeos-ppc.html
[13:11] <chibihogoshino> i wonder if they had power plugs for the old laptops on planes
[13:27] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: better question, I wonder if they had power plugs on the older planes
[13:27] <cyberanger> the ones I fly never do
[13:27] <chibihogoshino> iv never flown on one ..
[13:28] <chibihogoshino> closest i got was afterburner at the arcade
[13:30] <cyberanger> never flown
[13:30] <cyberanger> you don't know what your missing
[13:31] <chibihogoshino> yeah.. i used to watch wings..
[13:31] <chibihogoshino> its like knowing a secret no one else knoes
[13:31] <chibihogoshino> knows
[13:34] <cyberanger> how to be groped by another man, without visiting a gay bar
[13:35] <cyberanger> "is that a gun or are you just happy to see me?"
[13:39] <chibihogoshino> heh
[13:40] <cyberanger> and of course, a strip search is just more fun when we do it web 2.0 style
[13:41] <chibihogoshino> they should put them on ustream .. make more money
[13:44] <cyberanger> idk which side of the debate your on, if that's your suggestion
[13:45] <cyberanger> hopefully your being scarstic
[13:45] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[13:45] <chibihogoshino> they need to stop
[13:46] <chibihogoshino> its proven it dosnt work .. so why spend the wasted time and money
[13:47] <chibihogoshino> just like gun control dosnt stop gun related crime
[13:50] <chibihogoshino> this is really cool.. http://www.chasertv.com/watch/video-wall-chat/
[13:50] <chibihogoshino> you can see live weather streams
[13:51] <chibihogoshino> i forgot about it.. but during summer i was watching people chase tornadoes
[14:21] <wrst> Xpistos: good morning
[14:21] <Xpistos> hey
[15:23] <Dan9186[MM]> ok so question about pipes
[15:25] <Dan9186[MM]> i've piped stuff to get down to a particular PID of a friend who uses my box to get to IRC, but he leaves it up every night and i want to kill it once a nice
[15:32] <Dan9186[MM]> once a nite*
[15:33] <Dan9186[MM]> so i'm able to get all the way down to the PID, but piping that to kill doesn't work
[15:33] <Dan9186[MM]> so how would you do just that?
[16:15] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: why do you want to kill it every night, bandwidth?
[16:17] <Dan9186[MM]> rather than leave a screen session up and close his terminal he just leaves it connected, i just don't like having a tunnel left connected ALL the time like that
[16:18] <cyberanger> ah, so he's using a tunnel, not gnu screen
[16:18] <cyberanger> and a client on your machine
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> we're also likely not supposed to be doing it here at work, and leaving it up over night when there is less activity on the network makes it stand out more
[16:18] <Dan9186[MM]> yup
[16:19] <cyberanger> I think creating it as a bash script could help, instead of piping it to kill, you have a script that grabs the PID (as you've done) and that output defines a varible (in this example, I'll call it $IRCPID)
[16:19] <Dan9186[MM]> though Svpernova09 educated me in the folly of my ways on how i was trying to do it :)
[16:20] <cyberanger> so IRCPID=$(insert commands for getting the PID here, leave the parentheses)
[16:20] <cyberanger> kill $IRCPID
[16:20] <cyberanger> kill -9 $IRCPID
[16:20] <Dan9186[MM]> yup more or less what he set me towards :)
[16:20] <Dan9186[MM]> prolly more correct, but dont tell him that
[16:21] <cyberanger> well, I don't need to, you just did ;-)
[16:21] <Dan9186[MM]> yeah wanted to see how well he pays attention
[16:21] <Dan9186[MM]> obviously not so well
[16:21] <cyberanger> however the best way of all, is have him logout, or don't let him login
[16:22] <Dan9186[MM]> yeah i've provided some instruction and suggestions and that doesn't seem to happen
[16:23] <Dan9186[MM]> so before removing access i'm gonna try this
[16:23] <cyberanger> why's he logging into a work machine where it might not be allowed
[16:23] <Dan9186[MM]> he's not logging into a work machine
[16:23] <Dan9186[MM]> he's logging into a vm i have back home
[16:23] <cyberanger> oh, your machine, from work
[16:24] <Svpernova09> -.-
[16:24] <Dan9186[MM]> providing him access to irc even though they have it blocked
[16:24] <Dan9186[MM]> Svpernova09: hey how's it goin?
[16:24] <cyberanger> did they say why they block it?
[16:24] <Svpernova09> >.> just fine :_D
[16:25] <Dan9186[MM]> i'm sure they do, but i've not gone looking
[16:26] <Dan9186[MM]> i'm assuming it is something to do with accidentally putting out patient data, but neither he nor i have access to any patient data
[16:26] <cyberanger> healthcare
[16:27] <cyberanger> also explains them leaving open port 22
[16:27] <cyberanger> ssh and sftp
[16:27] <Dan9186[MM]> yup :)
[16:28] <cyberanger> why is he using your box, and I'd assume he's using pidgin portable or another usb client
[16:28] <cyberanger> I mean, instead of his
[16:32] <cyberanger> the way I see it, it's not worth the risk (afterall, you have a cell phone, use an IRC client on it)
[16:32] <Dan9186[MM]> i'll be nice and leave it at that he claims he can't hit his IP from work for some odd and unforseen reason
[16:32] <Dan9186[MM]> i'm already logged into it in the same fashion for my irc instance
[16:33] <Dan9186[MM]> he's using putty
[16:33] <cyberanger> his firewall, or he's done this before and got flagged
[16:33] <cyberanger> putty isn't an irc client
[16:33] <Dan9186[MM]> no but it gets you to irssi
[16:33] <cyberanger> I'm wondering why he's tunneling
[16:34] <cyberanger> as you can ban tunneling, and he can still use ssh and irc
[16:34] <Dan9186[MM]> he's not setting up an "actual" tunnel
[16:34] <Dan9186[MM]> he just sshs into my box and then runs irssi
[16:35] <Dan9186[MM]> i know that it's not for being flagged before
[16:35] <wrst> cyberanger: you care to look and see if you could do anything nasty on my network?
[16:35] <wrst> sometime cyberanger
[16:35] <wrst> :)
[16:35] <Dan9186[MM]> but past that, i've no clue why the world he "can't" access his network from here
[16:36] <Dan9186[MM]> his excuse was that he couldn't ping it, which i laughed at and told him it probably wouldn't respond to ping, but who knows with him
[16:39] <wrst> Dan9186[MM]: I'm not for sure but isn't there a way to set a timeout on ssh connections to your machine?
[16:42] <cyberanger> wrst: why look, I already know so
[16:43] <cyberanger> after all, you have the nastiest thing already on it
[16:43] <cyberanger> vist
[16:43] <cyberanger> a
[16:43] <wrst> ha ha oh no cyberanger its not just a repair job
[16:44] <cyberanger> wrst: timeout won't work, due to tcp keepalives
[16:44] <Dan9186[MM]> wrst: wouldn't that carry to my sessions too? i don't wana kick myself out :P
[16:44] <cyberanger> unless you set screen to detach after 300 seconds
[16:44] <wrst> ha ha Dan9186[MM] that's right and cyberanger is correct if you have putty set up sending keep alives that won't do it anyway
[16:44] <cyberanger> and a tmout value of 60
[16:45] <cyberanger> the tmout value counts idle of 60, closing the terminal
[16:45]  * Dan9186[MM] doesn't use putty
[16:45] <Dan9186[MM]> i actually run a real OS on my machine
[16:45] <cyberanger> and the screen idle value will detach it, after 300 seconds
[16:45] <cyberanger> (about 6 minutes unattended)
[16:46] <cyberanger> thus closing the ssh session
[16:46] <wrst> Dan9186[MM]: but saying you probalby have putty on the other machine set up that way
[16:46] <cyberanger> and Dan9186[MM] your client also would have the same bit of tcp keepalives
[16:46] <wrst> Dan9186[MM]: i take it you aren't referring to windows xp as a real OS?
[16:46] <cyberanger> wrst: if he is, I'm not
[16:47] <wrst> nipit
[16:47] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: what is his irc client
[16:47] <wrst> hmmm
[16:47] <wrst> weird
[16:47] <Dan9186[MM]> true true, and probably for the better, i think he might be screwed if he had something other than winblows on his box
[16:47] <wrst> sorry for my typing carrying into another winder
[16:47] <cyberanger> Micro$uck Winblows, the next generation of last generation computing
[16:48] <Dan9186[MM]> started getting into *nix and put Ubuntu on every box i have about 6 months ago
[16:48] <Dan9186[MM]> including my work one
[16:48] <Dan9186[MM]> cyberanger: he uses irssi just cause that's what i already have installed on that vm
[16:49] <cyberanger> ah, so he is using gnu screen and irssi
[16:49] <cyberanger> he's just not logging out
[16:49] <cyberanger> I'd take away his ability to tunnel, set screen's idle to 300 and detach
[16:49] <Dan9186[MM]> he does winsucks->putty->terminal on my box->irssi
[16:49] <cyberanger> and set $TMOUT to 60
[16:50] <Dan9186[MM]> and then he leaves putty up for days on end
[16:50] <Dan9186[MM]> unless his connection dies here at work
[16:50] <cyberanger> if he's idle for 5 minutes, screen detaches, another minute, session closes
[16:50] <Dan9186[MM]> i can't even get him to use screen
[16:50] <Dan9186[MM]> it's like pointing two mirrors at each other for him
[16:50] <cyberanger> keepalives are useless for that, since the server is issueing the command
[16:50] <wrst> wow Dan9186[MM] you know typing: screen irssi is just so complicated :)
[16:51] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: is irssi the only thing he uses?
[16:51] <Dan9186[MM]> yup
[16:51] <cyberanger> wrst: you left out screen -U
[16:51] <cyberanger> irssi likes utf-8
[16:51] <wrst> yes its a might ugly using putty without it
[16:51] <Dan9186[MM]> wrst: hey it never ceases to amaze me
[16:52] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: ok, so tell him your helping him, by having irssi autostart
[16:52] <wrst> Dan9186[MM]: i understand why he cant connect to his network now
[16:52] <cyberanger> and really your autostarting screen, which is starting irssi
[16:52] <cyberanger> and code in the timeout metioned above
[16:53] <wrst> cyberanger: you know what would really help them out would be a shell account somewhere else to get the trouble off of Dan9186[MM]'s machine
[16:53] <cyberanger> since the issue isn't IRC, but ssh
[16:53] <cyberanger> wrst: yes, well, what'd really help him might also be not using irc at work
[16:53] <Dan9186[MM]> he has a silenceisdefeat account
[16:54] <cyberanger> or better yet, a better understanding of linux and ssh
[16:54] <wrst> well cyberanger thinking of getting Dan9186[MM] immediate releif :)
[16:57] <Dan9186[MM]> lol
[16:57] <cyberanger> if you kill the account, he might cause more issues, not less though
[16:57] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: libreoffice has replaced openoffice in natty
[16:57] <cyberanger> thus the balancing act
[16:58] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i pulled that in last night, nice, just wish it had a better name
[16:58] <Dan9186[MM]> yeah i'm looking to not stir up a whole bunch of stuff as much as i am to let him to come to the conclusion he wants to either do it right or do something else
[17:01] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: at least it isn't oracle
[17:01] <pace_t_zulu> too bad virtualbox still is
[17:03] <Dan9186[MM]> lol
[17:09] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: well, I can help you with an ideal solution in a few hours
[17:09] <cyberanger> gotta get ready for chattacon here
[17:09] <cyberanger> actually, I guess I can squeeze it in now, if you can Dan9186[MM]
[17:11] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: are you wanting a method that forces him to use screen, and disconnect him when idle
[17:11] <cyberanger> without killing his irc client
[17:16] <Dan9186[MM]> that wouldn't be a terrible thing at all
[17:17] <Dan9186[MM]> i can't actually execute it at this very moment, but i'll take notes and can come back with questions later if that works for you
[17:17] <Dan9186[MM]> hell i wana know how to do that just for the sake of learning it anyways :)
[17:18] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: oh yes i think libreoffice is a step in a great direction i just don't like the name, but hey i didn't like the titan's uniforms but when they went to a super bowl i forgot all about that too
[17:25] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: wish they'd get back to the super bowl... and win it
[17:25] <wrst> yes pace_t_zulu probably not for a year or two will be interesting to see how the coaching/qb stuff all works out
[17:26] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: well, is later better?
[17:26] <cyberanger> I can write a howto, tell you now (with a timecrunch) or tell (and if needed, guide) you later
[17:27] <cyberanger> there's three files in his home directory to tweak, so (as is allways a good idea) back them up
[17:28] <cyberanger> sudo su <hisaccount>
[17:28] <cyberanger> cp ~/.bashrc ~/.bashrc.backup
[17:28] <cyberanger> cp ~/.bash_profile ~/.bash_profile.backup
[17:28] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: you think we're going to draft, trade or sign a free agent qb?
[17:29] <cyberanger> cp ~/.bashrc ~/.bashrc.backup
[17:29] <cyberanger> cp ~/.screenrc ~/.screenrc.backup
[17:30] <cyberanger> ah, crud, I let time sneak up on me
[17:30] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: when are usually around?
[17:30] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: probably a free agent maybe... wouldn't be surprised of any of the above but with fisher having 1 year left i think he will try to go veteran, maybe a trade, well actually probvably a trade now that i think about it
[17:30] <wrst> what do you think pace_t_zulu?
[17:30] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i just don't know who is out there
[17:31] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i think fisher is just a bit too conservative for today's NFL
[17:31] <cyberanger> Dan9186[MM]: I gotta run, I'll be online later, and can howto this also (which is actually ideal, others may find this useful)
[17:31] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: he will always opt for the safe option...
[17:36] <Xpistos> hey I need some help. I need to setup a gaming rig but I want to check if the hardware will support linux too
[17:36] <Xpistos> XFX ATI Radeon HD 4350
[17:37] <Xpistos> and do PCIe cards work in linux?
[17:38] <cyberanger> Xpistos: PCIe cards do
[17:39] <Xpistos> cool
[17:39] <Xpistos> all this just to play DCU Online... sad
[17:39] <cyberanger> and it appears (erring on the side of caution here) that that card has a linux catlyist driver
[17:40] <cyberanger> man, I'm gonna have to lock up my cable modem, if I cannot keep my focus on getting things ready, lol
[17:41] <cyberanger> Xpistos: chattacon is getting in motion, tonight I setup, tommorow is day one of a gaming marathon
[17:41] <Xpistos> Good Luck Brother!!!
[17:42] <cyberanger> it'll be a blast (COD Black Ops has enough virtual C4 to insure that ;-))
[17:43] <cyberanger> I've mirrored hardy and lucid's repos for the xubuntu rigs, so between linux and the consoles, oh boy :-D
[17:43] <Xpistos> You can play COD on Linux?
[17:44] <cyberanger> yes, COD4 modern warfare at least
[17:45] <cyberanger> with wine, and without punkbuster
[17:45] <cyberanger> but that's a console game for the confrence
[17:46] <cyberanger> licensing concerns
[17:53] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: keep hearing cobb and orton, but neither thrills me in the long run and agree too conservative
[18:10] <cyberanger> woot, I have sucessfully hijacked dns results for *archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com (on my lan only, I should add)
[18:10] <cyberanger> this will come in handy
[18:13] <cyberanger> (normally this would be a bad thing, but knowledge is knowledge, issue is in application, and this case, it's the best it can be)
[18:26] <Dan9186[MM]> cyberanger: i'm around most days during work hours, and off and on in the evenings, otherwise all this is logging for me anyways so i can pull it up at any point in time
[18:27] <cyberanger> well, tonight I'll be around, after setting up
[18:27] <cyberanger> or tommorow
[18:27] <Dan9186[MM]> sounds good
[18:27] <cyberanger> esp in the morning and around lunch
[18:27] <Dan9186[MM]> just ping me and if i don't respond in 5 then i'm busy with the pr0n
[18:28] <cyberanger> I'll do that
[18:28] <cyberanger> and if your not on, expect a wordpress article
[18:28] <Dan9186[MM]> rofl
[18:28] <Dan9186[MM]> that'll always work
[18:28] <vychune> QUESTION: how do you know how many subnets to use in a network? o and hi
[18:29] <cyberanger> vychune: hi
[18:29] <vychune> hey cyber
[18:29] <cyberanger> vychune: can you explain it out further
[18:29] <cyberanger> it's a condidional question
[18:30] <vychune> oh
[18:30] <cyberanger> a home network will never have 250+ machines, so it usually gets a 255.255.255.0 subnet
[18:30] <vychune> like if you have a Class C IP for maybe 10 host
[18:30] <cyberanger> but you can shrink that further, or raise it
[18:30] <vychune> oh ok
[18:30] <cyberanger> class c, 255.255.255.0
[18:31] <cyberanger> as long as you have enough non-conflicting ip addresses, that's what the subnet is based off of
[18:31] <vychune> ok i thought maybe custom subnets would come in to play
[18:31] <vychune> like 255.255.255.224
[18:32] <cyberanger> well, they can, but we can afford to go large on a class c for a home network
[18:32] <cyberanger> now my network is fragmented like that a little
[18:32] <cyberanger> firewalls in the middle
[18:33] <cyberanger> if it's a conventional use, use it conventional, helps when things go wrong
[18:33] <cyberanger> my setup is unconventional
[18:33] <cyberanger> but I have an unconventional demand, requiring it
[18:34] <vychune> oh ok
[18:35] <vychune> thanks
[18:35] <cyberanger> 255.255.255.0 gives you 254 addresses (1-254, broadcast on 255)
[18:36] <cyberanger> even if a home network has 10 machines, most consumer routers will use an ip range of 192.168.1.1-254 or 192.168.0.1-254, and that subnet
[18:37] <cyberanger> you can adjust it, make a subnet smaller or larger, I could have a subnet with only one usable ip address, or one for a class a
[18:37] <cyberanger> that's what's nice about it being classless now
[18:38] <vychune> wow you really know your stuff
[18:38] <cyberanger> and yet I have my days of failure too
[18:40] <vychune> lol
[18:40] <cyberanger> but I really had a desire to learn about networking (one could say obsession) and that got me into linux
[18:40] <cyberanger> and I've branched out, but allways learning something new in linux, networking and more
[18:41] <vychune> thats awesome
[18:42] <cyberanger> I think you'll find similar stories for most here
[18:43] <vychune> most likely
[18:43] <cyberanger> the other story is usually hating windows, which is also true here ;-)
[18:43] <vychune> thats mine lol
[18:44] <cyberanger> hating windows was one reason (I had constraints for class though, so I used both linux and windows, got heavilly involved on the networking bit due to that)
[18:44] <cyberanger> but when I was able to ditch windows, I did so with a short chain and a boat anchor
[18:45] <vychune> again sounds like me
[18:45] <vychune> lol
[18:45] <vychune> a boat anchor really?
[18:46] <vychune> anyway well thanks for the advice and th story
[18:46] <vychune> i gonna go find a JOB! lol
[18:46] <vychune> see ya
[18:46] <vychune> thanks again
[18:47] <cyberanger> you and me both
[18:48] <cyberanger> but in the mean time I'll settle for a confrence
[18:48] <cyberanger> back to packing
[18:49] <cyberanger> I think a mouse has more focus than me
[23:55] <wrst> hello chris4585
[23:56] <chris4585> hey wrst
[23:59] <wrst> activating vista err
[23:59] <wrst> mercy