[02:57] <paultag> whoh, r00t4rd3d was here as well?
[02:58] <paultag> thanks, tsimpson :)
[07:30] <jmej_> hmm.. so ardour doesn't see my lv2 plugins ... is this a known issue? path problem... or compiled w/out the correct flags?
[07:50] <jmej_> or is there simply no lv2 stuff in ubuntu studio?
[07:50] <jmej_> i was under the impression there was because i have lv2core installed according to apt-get...
[07:51] <jmej_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskLV2Inclusion
[07:51] <jmej_> that doesn't look good :/
[07:51] <jmej_> though i don't totally understand it...
[08:02] <jmej_> hmm.. well i found the lv2 plugins on my system.. but ardour doesn't see em :(
[08:02] <jmej_> exporting a path variable
[08:02] <jmej_> still no love
[08:04] <jmej_> anyone have lv2 working in ardour?
[08:05] <ailo> ardour 3?
[08:07] <jmej_> no... are you running ardour 3?
[08:07] <jmej_> 2.8.2 here
[08:07] <jmej_> i'm happy to remove it and install w/ different flags if it's as simple as that
[08:08] <jmej_> though if ardour 3 is running well for you over there i supposed i could do that as well
[08:08] <jmej_> i figured since it wasn't even alpha it wouldn't be too stable
[08:08] <jmej_> but i've never worked with any of pauls bleeding edge releases - so i may be assuming wrong?
[08:10] <ailo> But, you built it yourself?
[08:10] <jmej_> no
[08:10] <jmej_> installed via ubuntu studio
[08:10] <jmej_> i'm a little unclear about the distinction between ubuntu studio packages... and normal ubuntu packages
[08:10] <jmej_> but eitherway i didn't build it from source
[08:11] <ailo> No difference. Ubuntustudio has some meta-packages that depend on audio packages in the Ubuntu repo
[08:11] <jmej_> so i should be able to get a version of ardour running w/ lv2 support
[08:11] <jmej_> possibly even from a repository? (rather than building from source)
[08:11] <jmej_> or maybe my version can be massaged into working w/ lv2?
[08:13] <ailo> How do you know your lv2 plugs aren't showing?
[08:13] <ailo> What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[08:13] <jmej_> they're not in the plugin manager
[08:13] <jmej_> ubuntu 9.10
[08:14] <ailo> So, if you go into plugin-manager, choose to sort by type, lv2 doesn't show up?
[08:14] <jmej_> correct
[08:15] <jmej_> but i have calf.lv2 and lv2core.lv2 in /usr/lib/lv2
[08:15] <ailo> I don't have this problem on Ubuntu Natty. Don't have a Karmic system to try right now.
[08:16] <jmej_> so this is unlikely to be an ubuntustudio specific problem?
[08:16] <ailo> No, but Karmic specific
[08:16] <jmej_> ah
[08:16] <ailo> Since ardour is in Ubuntu's repo
[08:17] <jmej_> oh ok.. so it would only be packages that don't show up in the normal ubuntu repo that would be different
[08:17] <ailo> Yeah
[08:17] <jmej_> i wonder if it is just a matter of adding some flags when installing via apt-get
[08:17] <ailo> Or, actually Ubuntustudio meta-packages are also in the repo
[08:18] <ailo> The meta-packages depends on a collection of packages
[08:18] <jmej_> ah
[08:18] <ailo> But the audio packages themselves aren't Ubuntustudio specific
[08:18] <jmej_> ok
[08:19] <ailo> Anyway, you might have better luck trying a PPA, if there is one that has ardour for Karmic
[08:19] <jmej_> PPA?
[08:20] <jmej_> what's a ppa?
[08:20] <ailo> It's an unofficial Ubuntu repo that can be added. Some are personal, some belong to a music distro
[08:21] <ailo> In launchpad
[08:21] <jmej_> oh i see
[08:22] <ailo> I'm going to check Puredyne's PPA. They have a version for Karmic.
[08:22] <ailo> But they didn't include ardour :(
[08:22] <ailo> Still, I don't know what the problem is. Could be you can fix it.
[08:22] <jmej_> ah that's too bad
[08:23] <jmej_> it's not something silly like needing to do apt-get install ardour +lv2
[08:23] <jmej_> is it?
[08:23] <ailo> I've never heard of that
[08:23] <jmej_> ok
[08:23] <jmej_> i know with macports there are all sorts of optional package flags
[08:23] <ailo> You could try talking on the ardour forum, Ubuntu forum and #opensroucemusicians
[08:24] <jmej_> ok - thanks for your help
[08:24] <jmej_> i'll give it a shot
[08:24] <ailo> Surely someone know ardour enough to find what the problem is
[08:25] <ailo> jmej_: There's #ardour too. Maybe that's the first place to look :). Didn't know it was so well used.
[08:26] <jmej_> yeah i'll try that
[08:26] <jmej_> i've had luck in there before :)
[08:26] <jmej_> just thought it might be some ubuntu studio specific weirdness
[08:27] <ailo> No. I mean, it could be that the package in the repo is not built right, but would be best to find that out before replacing it.
[08:27] <jmej_> gotcha
[09:36] <persia> The other alternative is to upgrade to 10.04 or 10.10.  10.04 is probably more stable of the two.
[22:24] <gordonjcp> hi, I'm having some problems trying to untangle which jack to install in 10.10
[22:25] <gordonjcp> if I install libjack-dev it doesn't actually pull in a package with a jackd
[22:26] <gordonjcp> jackd2 wants to pull in masses of deps including Qt, for reasons I can't entirely fathom
[22:28] <gordonjcp> trying to install jackd and jackd1 both pop up a huge screed of packages they want to install, remove or replace starting with:
[22:28] <gordonjcp> The following packages have unmet dependencies: libjack0: Conflicts: libjack-0.116 which is a virtual package. libjack-jackd2-0: Conflicts: libjack-0.116 which is a virtual package.
[22:30] <holstein> gordonjcp: hey
[22:30] <holstein> what do you mean my 'to install 10.10 ?
[22:30] <holstein> is this a 10.04 install?
[22:30] <gordonjcp> holstein: hi
[22:31] <gordonjcp> no, 10.10
[22:31] <gordonjcp> maverick meerkat, apparently
[22:31] <holstein> gordonjcp: any PPA's added?
[22:31] <gordonjcp> uhm...
[22:31] <gordonjcp> how would I tell?
[22:31] <gordonjcp> what is a PPA?
[22:32] <holstein> thats probably a good indication that you dont ;)
[22:32] <holstein> i use 10.04
[22:32] <holstein> with a PPA added
[22:32] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[22:32] <holstein> gordonjcp: try running in a terminal
[22:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[22:33] <holstein> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:33] <gordonjcp> I did that recently
[22:33] <holstein> just now?
[22:33] <gordonjcp> well, about an hour ago
[22:33] <holstein> in the last 2 minutes?
[22:33] <holstein> OK
[22:33] <holstein> what about
[22:33] <holstein> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[22:33] <holstein> which shouldnt matter
[22:34] <holstein> if you dont have PPA's added
[22:34] <holstein> gordonjcp: fire up synaptic
[22:34] <holstein> and search libjack
[22:35] <holstein> and let me fire up 10.10
[22:35] <gordonjcp> eek
[22:35] <gordonjcp> huge incomprehensible list
[22:35] <holstein> dont do it then
[22:35] <holstein> let me get in and look too
[22:35] <gordonjcp> I don't get on well with GUIs
[22:36] <holstein> OH
[22:36] <paultag> IO!
[22:36] <holstein> drill down in the search if you want
[22:36] <holstein> or apt-cache search
[22:37] <holstein> paultag: o/
[22:37] <paultag> hey holstein
[22:38] <holstein> OK
[22:38] <holstein> when i upgrade
[22:38] <holstein> with apt-get
[22:38] <holstein> says 5 packages are being held back
[22:38] <holstein> gordonjcp: let me let this go through
[22:38] <holstein> and i'll see what that is about
[22:38] <holstein> if you have a minute
[22:39] <gordonjcp> yup, okay
[22:39] <holstein> gordonjcp: this is a 64bit install
[22:39] <holstein> yours 32bit?
[22:39] <gordonjcp> yes
[22:39] <holstein> hmmmm
[22:42] <gordonjcp> holstein: to give you an idea of the problem, I'm trying to write a set of instructions for setting up and installing some software I wrote under Ubuntu
[22:43] <holstein> gordonjcp: cool
[22:43] <holstein> audio software?
[22:43] <gordonjcp> I'm not particularly familiar with Ubuntu, and I don't really like the Debianish way of packaging
[22:43] <gordonjcp> yes, kind of, it's a software-defined radio
[22:43] <holstein> interesting
[22:44] <gordonjcp> essentially you have some samples coming in, and apply some filtering and magic to them, and you get radio
[22:44] <holstein> and its JACK ready?
[22:44] <gordonjcp> yes, it inherently uses jack because all other methods of capturing and playing back audio suck elephants through very fine mesh
[22:45]  * holstein gives gordonjcp a fits-bump
[22:45] <holstein> fist*
[22:45] <gordonjcp> since what I actually want it to do is process a block of samples periodically, and repeatedly, jack is utterly perfect
[22:45] <gordonjcp> and, I'm familiar with jack from doing LADSPA/DSSI hackery
[22:45] <gordonjcp> https://github.com/gordonjcp/lysdr/wiki
[22:45] <gordonjcp> ^ there's the github wiki page
[22:46] <holstein> you might be interested in #opensourcemusicians
[22:46] <gordonjcp> holstein: ooh interesting, yes
[22:46] <holstein> or rather, im sure some folk in that community would like to meet you :)
[22:46] <gordonjcp> holstein: I've kind of moved away from softsynths although I do plan to restart development of the nekosynth plugins Real Soon Now
[22:47] <gordonjcp> I've moved onto experimental microcontroller-based hybrid synths
[22:48] <gordonjcp> that look like this: http://www.gjcp.net/media/filter.jpg and sound like this: http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/ameniser.ogg
[22:48] <holstein> hehe
[22:48] <holstein> awesome
[22:49] <gordonjcp> drums and bass played on an Arduino Duemilanove and filtered through the board in the pic
[22:51] <holstein> gordonjcp: well, im restarting
[22:51] <holstein> (kernel update)
[22:52] <holstein> but im afraid it looks like im not getting that same error
[22:52] <holstein> gordonjcp: what are the chances the software you built is calling on those conflicting files?
[22:53] <holstein> a PPA is basically a repository by the way
[22:53] <holstein> IF you wanted to make your software easily available to ubuntu users
[22:53] <holstein> thats one way to do it
[22:53] <holstein> make your own PPA
[22:53] <holstein> and i can add it to my system
[22:53] <gordonjcp> holstein: righto
[22:53] <holstein> and apt-get it
[22:54] <gordonjcp> holstein: it's just built against jack
[22:54] <gordonjcp> I mean it's not trying to do anything really weird
[22:54] <holstein> could be something funky in the 32bit verion i suppose
[22:55] <holstein> did you try any flags with aptitude
[22:55] <holstein> -f or whatever
[22:55] <gordonjcp> no
[22:55] <holstein> i always have to reference the man page
[22:55] <holstein> or google ;)
[22:55] <gordonjcp> I'll look into it more tomorrow, it's nearly 2300 here
[22:55] <holstein> gordonjcp: good luck
[22:56] <holstein> i think that is easy enough to sort out
[23:53] <rlameiro> good evening everyone