[00:46] mmm, shiny new Thinkpad [00:48] Riddell: what model did you end up getting? [00:48] T410 [00:48] ah, nice [00:48] you inspired me :) [00:48] hah, glad to have helped in the decision [00:49] must say this Windows thing is rubbish, quite unusable [00:49] but at least I got to test and do some fixing to Wubi [00:50] audio jack output works fine [00:50] yeah, i think i booted it long enough to verify everything worked and burn off the recovery cds [00:50] no sparkle on the screen [00:50] the sparkle happens intermittently and jFo [00:51] 's audio jack works as well [00:51] figure something must be up with mine but i didn't test it in windows, so not sure if its hardware or not [00:52] i use a usb headset, so haven't worried too much about it [00:52] internal speakers sound better than the old laptop, screen is notably brighter [00:52] just keep an eye on the screen, Lenovo knows of the issue [00:53] 3G modem doesn't "just work" with networkmanagement plasmoid, I should try nm-applet [00:53] :) always love getting new machines [00:53] I have three blinkenlights under the screen, wifi, something and hard disk. any idea what the middle one is? [00:53] looks like wifi in a box [00:54] bluetooth [00:54] there is some upstream work going in around the mobile broadband stuff, or so it appears [00:54] yes [00:54] I've got a t510 ;) [00:54] bluetooth [00:54] really? I'm not convinced it has bluetooth [00:55] if 'rfkill list' lists bluetooth it has it [00:55] i have the same icon and it most certainly is bluetooth [00:55] 0: hci0: Bluetooth [00:55] well well [00:56] how confusing, my old one had a blinkenlight that was the bluetooth trademark logo [00:56] why hasn't bluedevil popped up? [00:56] odd thing is, in natty, it isn't always turned on. put the laptop to sleep with it off (i didn't turn it off, it was off from the get go) wake it up and it turns on [00:56] running natty? [00:56] yes I am [00:57] bluedevil works fine here in natty [00:57] your probably hitting the same issue i am and haven't had a chance to look into [00:57] cmagina: and yeah, it behaves like that here too [00:57] mm, I should test suspend [00:57] yeah, bluedevil works fine for me when it comes up, but it doesn't come up all the time [00:57] sadly, it cold boots with it off as well [00:58] suspend working, how things have improved in linux [00:58] hm, here it's always on on boot [00:58] one annoying thing on my thinkpad is the mute button though [00:59] working good here [00:59] it has it's own hardware state and triggers the software state too when pressed [00:59] yofel: yeah, noticed that [00:59] so if kmix is muted, and the button not, and I press it, I get: kmix unmuted, hardware muted [00:59] the "voip" mute button doesn't work however [00:59] that's been a consistent issue with thinkpads (probably other laptops too) [01:00] if they're both in sync it's fine [01:00] huh, I see what you mean [01:00] that the button remebers it's sate and kmix always boots unmutes isn't really helpful there [01:00] *remembers [01:00] *unmuted [01:04] f [01:20] funky new connectors on the side, SATA (not sure what the advantage of that is over USB, faster?) and something that I guess is HDMI (just when it's being replaced by DisplayPort) [01:21] hmm no, maybe it is displayport [01:23] its displayport [01:24] they sell an adapter to covert it from displayport to dvi [01:24] sata i believe offers faster data rates then usb 2.0 [01:31] can this thing do dual screen if I plug it into an external monitor? [01:31] or tripple screen if I plug VGA and DisplayPort into external monitors? [01:33] http://i.gizmodo.com/5030810/giz-explains-an-illustrated-guide-to-every-stupid-cable-you-need is interesting [01:34] i believe it is limited to 2 displays [01:34] either 1 external and built-in or two external [01:37] mmm, 4 apparant CPUs, must try make -j4 to see how well this hyperthreading thing works [01:37] Riddell you get a new toy :) [01:39] it's so wonderfully non-shiny! look at it not reflecting my lights in the annying way all the other laptops on the market do with their silly glossy screens! [02:16] http://i.imgur.com/rp3Yv.png [02:16] sorry [10:09] apachelogger: ping [10:35] jussi: yus? [10:43] ooh, I see a stable/4.6.0/src/ === apachelogger is now known as releaselogger === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 2011 same procedure as every year: 2 releases and many hugs | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | alpha 2 bugs http://goo.gl/yGhJd | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [11:21] ~ninjas [11:21] apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin and vorian ... to the Batcave! [11:21] !ninjas [11:21] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger [11:38] to the batcave sounds like way more fun..... [11:38] those metaphors are very mixed up [11:38] * valorie pulls out the light-sabers [11:39] oh, are you joining the kio wars? [11:40] I would surely help if I wasn't going to do more harm than good! [11:41] right now, sleeping seems like the better plan [11:41] tomorrow is another day! [11:44] oh, it is yesterday for you? :O [11:44] valorie: nini [11:44] so I am in the future now? [11:44] oh this is all messed up [11:44] shadeslayer: we are now both in the future! [11:45] * releaselogger makes some coffee while thinking of a kobayashi maru question for Quintasan_ [11:47] oddly enough, it is today here, and will still be today when I awake [11:47] it's a metaphore? time to leave the poor bats alone then :( [11:47] time is so strange! [11:47] * valorie flaps away [11:47] wibbly wobbly timey wimey [11:55] :D :D :D :D :D [11:55] * releaselogger hugs Riddell and hands valorie a timey wimey detector [12:06] releaselogger: oh are we? did you re-invent my time machine? [12:09] I dunno [12:10] what Riddell said [12:11] I did not change anything yet I ended up in the future, and valorie being in the past is not in the past but the present which seems to last longer for her than for me [12:11] this is all very very confusing [12:14] ah [12:25] herp derp [12:25] KDE 4.6 tarballs uploaded [12:25] * releaselogger has a very nice kobayashi maru question \\o// [12:25] releaselogger: share [12:25] also I grew a third arm it seems [12:25] releaselogger: that is not an arm. [12:25] shadeslayer: for Quintasan_ [12:25] ah [12:25] Sput: a leg? [12:26] closer... [12:26] oh [12:26] * releaselogger checks [12:26] releaselogger: id still like to hear it :P [12:26] shadeslayer: going to be ninja-ing? [12:26] good point there [12:26] shadeslayer: well, it will be on the ml in a bit [12:26] releaselogger: yes..... but ill also be doing neon stuff ... so will be a bit slow :) [12:27] Also ... will try to fix ktorrent [12:28] Riddell: he will be ninja-ing but as he is also doing neon stuff he will be as slow as always, also he will try to fix ktorrent [12:28] * releaselogger feels like a router now [12:28] what's wrong with ktorrent? [12:28] shadeslayer: mail mail up [12:29] Riddell: crashes while configuring shutdown plugin [12:29] looking :) [12:29] there's a plugin for shutdown? [12:29] yep [12:29] what happens if you want to shut down and don't have the plugin loaded? [12:29] you cannot shut down :P [12:29] Riddell: the shutdown button wont appear till shutdown plugin is loaded [12:30] so basically what releaselogger said [12:30] so your computer will continue running and seed all the pr0n all the night ^^ [12:30] phonon tarballs are being put in place [12:30] * releaselogger should go get lunch or something [12:31] releaselogger: nice question [12:31] the second one [12:32] yeah, I shall ask it every applicant now, no matter what they are applying for :P [12:33] hahaha [12:33] * shadeslayer will keep that in mind when applying for Kubuntu Dev [12:33] virtuoso eats my system [12:33] ohohoh [12:33] virtuoso [12:33] I luv you [12:33] ohohoh [12:34] releaselogger: should we package the new phonon along with 4.6 in backports? [12:34] releaselogger: when do KDE apps NOT eat up memory [12:34] look at rekonq [12:34] or phonon [12:34] or any other KDE app [12:34] releaselogger: question about 2nd question [12:34] Riddell: yes, if you do make sure to deactivate the plugin installer in phonon gstreamer though [12:35] want me to PM? [12:35] so that Quintasan_ doesnt cheat [12:35] aptcc in maverick is not able to handle plugin requests [12:35] :P [12:36] Riddell: also the new phonon gst should recommend gstreamer0.10-packagekit | gnome-codec-install [12:36] shadeslayer: phonon does not eat up memory [12:36] gnome-codec-install? that doesn't sound very kde-ish [12:37] also virtuoso is eating my cpu [12:37] releaselogger: but it should, thats what makes it a KDE app [12:37] Riddell: hence the | [12:37] Riddell: codec installation is handled by gstreamer itself, which just calls a helper app, and to my knowledge only gstpackagekit or gnome-codec-install implement that [12:37] (though I might be wrong) [12:37] they both use update-alternatives though ;) [12:46] shadeslayer: meh, bug 702026 has questions [12:46] Launchpad bug 702026 in dcmtk (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dcmtk" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702026 [12:47] Riddell: its on my TODO for today :) [12:47] had a quick peek yesterday [12:48] it should be a good experience to learn about gold linking .... [12:53] Riddell: phonon up in stable/phonon + gstreamer, vlc and xine [12:54] so we can add that to the ninja page :) [13:03] i wonder if we can run kubuntu on the Notion Ink Adam [13:04] would be awesome .... [13:22] shadeslayer: At what I'm supposed to cheat? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:46] Quintasan: nufing :P [13:59] * Quintasan <3 grilling at ML [14:02] morning [14:02] <\sh> releaselogger: the question about amarok new upstream version with a lot of fixes was a nasty one [14:09] nasty but not an uncommon situation that we find ourselves in, and there's no correct answer you just have to be able to justify yourself [14:10] I somehow knew that apachelogger will find a nasty way to grill me [14:10] <\sh> Riddell: I know :) I had to decide in the past for Amarok ;) [14:10] hi kronos, going to do some ninja-ing for the release? [14:11] <\sh> Riddell: but it's hard to answer that tricky question... [14:12] yes, I hope we don't put off anyone else wanting to apply to kubuntu-dev [14:13] Riddell: yeah .. would love to . [14:13] kronos: take your pick https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging :) [14:14] let me know if you need an ec2 machine [14:14] <\sh> Quintasan: this wasn't actually a nasty one, it's actually daily business during release week [14:15] \sh: I'm no a part of release team, I just answered what I thought was right :P [14:16] Riddell: sry got disconnected for a while .. did i miss something? [14:17] 14:13 < Riddell> kronos: take your pick https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging :) [14:17] 14:14 < Riddell> let me know if you need an ec2 machine [14:19] Riddell: i'd take up kdetoys and yeah an ec2 machine would be useful.. [14:19] \sh: yes, but what Riddell said :D [14:19] it simply is kobayashi maru ^^ [14:23] Riddell: I think we can take Quintasan's application to a vote? [14:23] on the list? === kronos_ is now known as kronos [14:26] releaselogger: isnt it already? [14:27] also ... he replied the same thing i did :D [14:27] *shrug* [14:27] yes, some people have already voted [14:27] very well then [14:28] Also, nice to see that lex is active :D [14:28] kronos: ssup? [14:29] hmm [14:29] ill take up kdegraphics [14:30] sigh : "Internal Server Error" [14:31] <\sh> Quintasan: when I had to decide in the past, about amarok, on release day, I got a blank upload permission and had to decide if we go with the new version or stay with the old tested one ;) I was sweating and testing with others [14:32] <\sh> releaselogger: you are evil ;) and you are not Tiberius ;) [14:33] <\sh> anyways back to my puppet recipe [14:34] Riddell: can i get an ec2 machine for kdetoys ?? [14:35] kronos: yeah, what's your ssh key? [14:35] or where rather [14:35] Riddell: www.launchpad.net/~bhargav [14:36] kronos: ubuntu@ec2-50-16-112-9.compute-1.amazonaws.com [14:36] it's maverick, you'll need to dist-upgrade, change to natty, dist-upgrade that [14:36] mind and not change the sudo settings when it prompts [14:36] and dont reboot [14:37] ok. [14:37] Riddell: i think there was a post on planet.ubuntu.com about upgrading ec2 machines to natty [14:37] it even loads the new natty kernel on boot [14:38] http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.com/2011/01/failsafe-and-manual-management-of_17.html [14:39] hmm not quite it [14:41] <\sh> shadeslayer: kim0 wrote an article about upgrading and booting kernel from lucid to maverick on ec2 [14:42] \sh: yeah im trying to find it :P [14:42] <\sh> shadeslayer: http://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2011/01/upgrade-lucid-to-maverick-on-ec2.html [14:42] there we go ^^ [14:42] wait ... [14:42] no there was a maverick to natty blog post [14:43] hmm ... [14:43] *shrug* [14:52] <\sh> shadeslayer: afaik natty can be used with pv_grub kernels from ec2, the same system like lucid to maverick [14:52] \sh: should be possible .... [14:53] <\sh> shadeslayer: just ask kim0 he knows ;) [14:53] but they should provide natty images for development purposes ^_^ [14:53] kronos: the latest ones from ninja [14:54] and check the dep graph [14:56] launchpad code hosting is broken [14:57] Riddell: worked for me [14:57] i guess i branched in time [14:57] :P [15:04] it's tempremental [15:05] my toolbar has disappeared in Amarok [15:05] I wonder how that happened, and how I could get it back [15:06] Riddell: the thing which says "Amarok View Playlist ... " ? [15:06] Riddell: just press Ctrl + M [15:07] that's the menubar [15:07] oh then> [15:07] I'm missing the toolbar, with the play button [15:07] Riddell: right click below menu bar > Main Toolbar [15:07] same thing with me :P [15:08] unfourtunately all my music was wiped out along with my data [15:09] ah hah, that worked [15:10] thanks [15:10] why was your data wiped? [15:10] Riddell: USB Creator formatted my external HD instead of the bootable USB pen drive [15:11] so basically .. the first 40 GB of my HD was gone along with the partition table [15:11] wibble [15:11] and i had humongous amounts of data, so couldnt retrieve my ssh keys after 2 days of photorec [15:11] good thing i had a backup of my GPG keys tho :P === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:34] just saw an announcement that code hosting was offline [15:38] jjesse: yeah [15:38] so everyone is currently stuck [15:39] :P [15:41] lol : http://bzr.bz/ : << see the second point [15:45] hahaha love that "its not launchpad" is a selling poitn :) [15:46] jjesse: the pun is even more awesome right now [15:46] totally [15:48] shadeslayer: no need to be stuck, just get the packaging from apt-get source [15:48] Riddell: thats what i did [15:48] also i just sprayed chilli sauce over my keyboard [15:50] that may not help with matters [15:51] some of it might have gotten into kde graphics [15:51] or onto IRC ... and might be making its way towards you :P [15:52] it is starting to feel hot here [15:53] * txwikinger wonders when the kded4 defunct bug will be fixed [15:54] what bug is that? [15:54] when you connect or disconnect power kded4 starts to spawn lots of defunct processes [15:55] and in turn that slows down the computer [15:55] I don't see that [15:55] but maybe afiestas moves in the right circles to know what the issue is [15:57] There is a bug about that on bug.kde [15:58] I have that happen on my netbook all the time [15:58] * JontheEchidna is glad to not be affected by that bug [16:00] Riddell: http://notionink.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/my-box/ [16:02] shadeslayer: cor, what's that? [16:04] shadeslayer thats a really cool box [16:04] i would like one please :) [16:06] Riddell: jjesse its a tablet pc designed by a indian company [16:06] they look really cool [16:06] it has a nvidia tegra *dual_core* processor [16:06] and has USB ports and what not [16:06] can i buy one? [16:06] jjesse: they will open the second pre order soonish [16:07] whats the cost? [16:07] jjesse: go for the pixel qi one [16:07] jjesse: one sec [16:07] what's the OS? [16:07] Android [16:08] a surprisingly popular choice [16:09] its running a custom UI ontop [16:09] jjesse: Riddell http://notionink.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/fiat-lux/ [16:09] When will we have a kubuntu version for tablet PCs? [16:10] nice a wifi only model [16:10] when plasma folks finish off plasma-tablet [16:10] jjesse: essentially ... its cheaper than the iPad [16:10] yeah [16:11] jjesse: dont compromise on the pixel qi [16:11] its a *must* have [16:11] kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2.3.1 [16:13] looks good :) [16:14] the tablet is also supposedly running some honeycomb elements [16:14] shadeslayer w/ a mobile hotspot why would i need 3g? [16:14] what's that? [16:15] honeycomb is android 3.0 [16:15] jjesse: really up to you :) [16:16] won't have to have another data plan and it probablly won't be available on any carrer in the US [16:17] jjesse: probably has a S [16:17] jjesse: what do you mean by mobile hotspot? [16:17] *SIM slot somewhere [16:17] Riddell: your phone becomes a router of sorts [16:18] so you connect to the network your phone is broadcasting and it routes all the traffic over 3G [16:18] Riddell yes i have through Verizon in the US a mobile hotspot: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?&item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=4726 [16:18] its a little card that broadcasts a wireless connection [16:19] over 3g [16:19] * shadeslayer is insanely hungry tonight [16:19] * shadeslayer eats up releaselogger [16:19] mmmm .... [16:19] you can't do.. well I guess phonon is out now so it's ok, go ahead [16:21] so my laptop, ipad and my wife's laptop can all share the same wireless connection where we have service [16:21] its a really cool piece of tech ^^ [16:21] and im really interested in doing my post graduation in the field of Wireless [16:22] oh good, maybe then you can fix networkmanager plasmoid and get my 3G connection on this new laptop working :) [16:23] implement system connections while you're at it [16:23] Riddell: you got a new laptop? which one? [16:23] lovely new thinkpad T410 [16:23] yofel: planned as GSoC project [16:23] \o/ [16:23] networkmanager plasmoid will have more issues soon when networkmanager 0.9 comes out [16:24] Riddell: nice :D [16:24] it has a matte finish? :O [16:24] on the screen [16:25] yes, no silly reflective screen [16:25] awesum [16:28] Riddell: Are you covering the release team meeting? [16:29] yep [16:33] Great. [16:36] yofel: im also looking at form completion and phonon support in webkit [16:36] tho im yet to start on those [16:47] herp derp [16:47] wololol [16:47] enjoy [16:47] Riddell: i need a server .... my ISP capped my download limit -.- [16:47] shadeslayer: 1 or 2 cpu? [16:47] Quintasan: your application is pretty much approved [16:47] Riddell: either will do [16:48] shadeslayer: don't be so sure :P [16:49] :P [16:49] *sigh* [16:50] launchpad code hosting is back! [16:50] Quintasan: I was trolled by kded twice last night: http://i.imgur.com/rp3Yv.png [16:51] kded shadeslayer: ubuntu@ec2-184-73-126-198.compute-1.amazonaws.com [16:52] was debugging kde bug 263790 [16:52] KDE bug 263790 in notifier "multiple zombie kded4 process" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263790 [16:52] >,Resolved: fixed [16:52] 4.6? [16:53] JontheEchidna: notice kded is almost kdead [16:53] : [16:53] Quintasan: resolved, muon 1.1.1 [16:53] and kubuntu 11.04 for kubuntu-notification-helper [16:54] calling python apps directly via KProcess seems to leave zombies lying around afterwards [16:54] so you have to call python /path/to/pyth0rnapp === dbarth__ is now known as dbarth [16:59] yofel: When you updated kdesdk, did you use the KDE symbolshelper to update symbols files? [16:59] update/update or create [17:00] See http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html for details if you didn't. [17:00] I used the symbolshelper with the instructions from the debian kde page to create them [17:00] OK. [17:00] yep, those 2 commands [17:00] yofel: Would you please ask MoDaX on #debian-qt-kde for suggestions then? I think that should have worked. [17:01] talking of symbols, kdebase-workspace is missing some in 4.6.0, I wonder what to do [17:02] Riddell: Need to see if they are BIC changes or not. FYI, JontheEchidna is very good at this. [17:02] JontheEchidna: what's your secret? [17:03] If they are symbols for private functions or are being exposed via linking to another library, it's not BIC if they change [17:03] but basically you just have to look in the .h files to see what the functions are listed as [17:06] ScottK: sure, I can - where exactly do they fail? I'm new to this.. [17:06] yofel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesdk/4:4.5.95-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2169541/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdesdk_4%3A4.5.95-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:10] random symbol diferences, and that's just one library out of the several in that package [17:11] I'm just trying to create the symbol files fresh to make sure I didn't make a mistake somewhere.. [17:11] it was the same when I wanted to backport it to maverick too [17:14] Riddell: 10.204.99.198 is the IP of the machine right? [17:15] I've no idea [17:15] hmm [17:15] ubuntu@ec2-184-73-126-198.compute-1.amazonaws.com [17:15] 184-73-126-198 s/-/./ [17:15] hmm [17:15] it also has an internal IP [17:15] ah thats going to be the internal ip then [17:15] yeah [17:16] * Riddell out [17:16] bye :D [17:20] ScottK: I don't think that symbolshelper would be able to know that these symbols don't appear on armel [17:21] debfx: The issue isn't that they don't appear, but that they are named differently. It think something is up with the demangling. [17:21] does this affect other libs as well? [17:22] ScottK: the kdesdk build log says that they are just missing [17:22] debfx: Bug 684703 is a similar issue that MoDaX says if I used the symbols helper right it would have worked. [17:22] Launchpad bug 684703 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) "Generated symbols different on different archs with gcc-4.5" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684703 [17:22] * ScottK looks at it again [17:23] maybe we should just add (arch!=armel) to those symbols and hope for the best ;) [17:23] that seems to a different issue [17:23] debfx: You're right. I misread the build log. I agree it's different. [17:24] debfx: If yofel feeds that build log into the symbolshelper it'll do that. [17:26] erm, I'm supposed to do what now? [17:26] and I tried to create libkastengui4.symbols fresh - same symbols list [17:27] yofel: Then update the existing one with the build log on armel [17:27] yofel: and change (arch=amd64) to (arch!=armel) [17:28] debfx: symbolshelper will do that. [17:28] yofel: Even better feed it the build logs for i386/amd64/powerpc/armel from that build. [17:29] ScottK: maybe if you feed it with all build logs [17:29] debfx: Yes. I think that's needed (forgot about that until now) [17:30] ok, let me try.. [17:36] Riddell: :o? [17:36] Anyone is keeping up to date with Telepathy in KDE support? [17:36] * Quintasan will upload packages to ppa shortly [17:37] ScottK: i386 and powerpc don't have any dpkg-gensymbols output in the buildlog, so should I manually change it to !=armel? [17:37]