[00:05] <moses> whats the best pdf viewer to install?
[00:16] <DarkriftX> moses: there should be one installed
[00:17] <DarkriftX> okular
[00:20] <moses> there is
[00:20] <moses> i love this OS
[00:20] <moses> crazy
[00:30] <ana_> oi
[00:55] <rtdos> is there a way to launch Akregator minimized (in the system tray) ?
[02:39] <ussher_> in KDE3 the taskbar at the bottom had a > that if you clicked it would suck the bottom screen navigation back into the >.  What is that called? and does KDE4 have this too?
[02:53] <luis_> hello guys can somebody help in here i am trying to open this links:
[02:53] <luis_> Installing Wine:
[02:53] <luis_> Once you have added the WineHQ PPA Repository, you are ready to install.
[02:53] <luis_> To get the most recent Wine 1.3 beta, click this link to install the wine1.3 package.
[02:53] <luis_> To install the older, stable Wine 1.2 version, click this link to install the wine1.2 package.
[02:53] <FloodBotK1> luis_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:54] <luis_> and i get error
[02:55] <luis_> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program.
[02:55] <luis_> can you help me please???
[02:58] <luis_> ok let me try again
[03:01] <luis_> i am tryin to get wine 1.3 i need it to install IE because there's this webpage that works only with it, i already did this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa i did it for kubuntu hardy and once i did that i think i need to get wine fro here: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb  but whenever i click on those links i get this: Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program. is there
[03:01] <luis_> someone here that can help me to fix this so i can get the latest wine please???
[03:01] <FloodBotK1> luis_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:01] <luis_> i aM NOT
[03:01] <luis_> just read
[03:05] <luis_> so anyone in here that know how can i fix this ???
[03:08] <luis_> ???
[03:08] <luis_> :O
[03:15] <valorie> luis, isn't wine in your package search?
[03:16] <valorie> it's always better to use your distro tools
[03:16] <valorie> also, just ignore floodbot, he's just a stupid bot
[03:17] <valorie> also, can't you just change your browser to look like IE for the stupid website?
[03:17] <valorie> opera, at least, used to be able to do this easily
[03:18] <valorie> final question: why are you using such an old version of kubuntu?
[03:21] <dan_____> Hello
[03:21] <dan_____> I have a kubuntu machine using full-disk encryption
[03:21] <dan_____> and I can't seem to access the GRUB menu on startup
[03:21] <dan_____> no matter what key i press
[03:22] <dan_____> any ideas?
[03:24] <valorie> !grup
[03:24] <valorie> oops
[03:24] <valorie> !grub
[03:24] <luis_> hey valorie
[03:24] <luis_> sorry
[03:24] <luis_> i am still looking for a solution
[03:25] <luis_> yes it is but like i am explaining
[03:25] <luis_> i do need the latest
[03:25] <luis_> and i did follow what i place up there
[03:25] <luis_> but some reason the system is not updating so i can get the latest wine
[03:25] <dan_____> !grub2
[03:26] <valorie> Hardy is immensely old
[03:26] <luis_> yes
[03:26] <luis_> like my pc
[03:26] <valorie> ah
[03:26] <luis_> i cannot use the latest kubuntu becauise my computer can't handle them
[03:26] <valorie> might be easier to use a lighter desktop and more up-to-date kernel though
[03:26] <luis_> to heavy for my little procesor
[03:27] <luis_> and with hardy works just fine
[03:27] <valorie> maybe xubuntu?
[03:27] <luis_> no
[03:27] <valorie> ok
[03:27] <luis_> is bad
[03:27] <luis_> and by the way
[03:27] <valorie> not sure you can use new wine with old kubuntu
[03:27] <luis_> i also try that
[03:27] <luis_> the newest
[03:27] <luis_> still can run properly on my pc
[03:27] <luis_> so is there anyother way to use
[03:28] <luis_> ok maybe you can help me
[03:28] <valorie> alrighty
[03:28] <luis_> here is the problem
[03:28] <valorie> I don't think I have that expertise
[03:28] <luis_> i work selling insurance
[03:28] <valorie> !deb
[03:28] <luis_> we at the company have this webpage
[03:28] <valorie> hmmm
[03:28] <luis_> but it won't work with firefox
[03:29] <valorie> so you shouldn't be in firefox
[03:29] <luis_> only with IE
[03:29] <valorie> you should be in your desktop
[03:29] <valorie> when you doubleclick that file
[03:29] <luis_> and i found a way to work it out
[03:29] <luis_> but it does ask for the latest wine
[03:29] <valorie> ok
[03:30] <luis_> that's why i am trying to isntall thelatest
[03:31] <luis_> there's this page that provides support so the latest wine can be installed in kubuntu hardy: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[03:31] <luis_> and i did all that just fine
[03:32] <luis_> so when you do that the repositories suppose to be up to date on that specific software but in this case is not happening
[03:32] <luis_> i got no errors at all is just not updating
[03:32] <luis_> porperly
[03:32] <luis_> and also i am trying to get the latest in here: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[03:33] <valorie> OK, there are two ways to add software
[03:33] <luis_> but whenever i click on the link that is to ment to get wine1.3 i get this: Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't associated with any program.
[03:33] <valorie> one is within your distro, by using the repositories
[03:34] <luis_> wich is the one i did rioght?
[03:34] <valorie> the other is using debs -- do not confuse the two
[03:34] <valorie> you don't use debs with repositories
[03:34] <luis_> debs is to do it manually right?
[03:34] <luis_> you get the tar file and compile it right?
[03:34] <valorie> yes, and you should only do that if the first method fails
[03:35] <valorie> it isn't clear to me that you have finished the first
[03:35] <valorie> first you add the repository, then you "apt-get update"
[03:35] <luis_> i did that
[03:35] <luis_> once you do that
[03:35] <valorie> then apt-get install wine
[03:35] <luis_> if you open adept manager you suppose to have the latest right?
[03:36] <valorie> if you update adept, sure
[03:36] <luis_> but it is not there
[03:36] <valorie> I've not really ever used adept
[03:36] <luis_> still the old wine
[03:36] <dan_____> the only GUI for GRUB2 configuration right now is the gnome startupmanager?
[03:36] <valorie> apt is one system, adept is another
[03:37] <maco> valorie: not really
[03:37] <luis_> i get wine1.2.1 instead of wine1.3 not even wine1.2.2
[03:37] <valorie> if you updated apt, that doesn't necessarily update adept
[03:37] <maco> valorie: adept is an apt frontend, just like kpackagekit, iirc
[03:37] <valorie> ok
[03:37] <maco> (or synapic, or ubuntu software center, etc, etc)
[03:37] <valorie> maco is much more knowledgeable than I am
[03:37] <maco> i never used adept though. was a gnome user back when that was the thing to use
[03:37] <luis_> so maco can you help me please
[03:38] <luis_> i can use any of them
[03:38] <maco> ahhhh apturl right
[03:38] <maco> hang on....
[03:38] <luis_> but nor one or the other is working to install the latest wine
[03:38] <maco> install apturl-kde
[03:38] <maco> might need to restart firefox
[03:38] <luis_> me?
[03:38] <maco> yes
[03:39] <maco> hmm its that firefox doesnt know about the apturl stuff for kde, only for gnome (*sigh*)
[03:39] <luis_> ok
[03:39] <maco> does it ask what program to use to install the stuff from apt:// protocol?
[03:40] <maco> if so, /usr/bin/apturl-kde
[03:40] <luis_> well terminal says: couldn't find any package whose name or description matched apturl-kde
[03:42] <claydoh> imo attempting to run IE in wine is a thankless and nervewracking task
[03:43] <maco> now thats odd
[03:43] <claydoh> http://www.playonlinux.com is the closest to an easy way to do it
[03:44] <maco> you're not using something more than 2 years old are you?
[03:44] <maco> oooh you are. hardy
[03:44] <luis_> yes
[03:45] <luis_> what about this playonlinux? does that does the same as IE?
[03:45] <maco> there may be someone doing wine backports for hardy, but the apt:// thing the website was having you do is exactly teh same as using the package manager
[03:45] <luis_> so in other words
[03:45] <luis_> i am stuck
[03:45] <maco> so if 1.2.1 is all its offering, thats it for the official repos, though you can try the hardy-backports repo in the software sources settings
[03:45] <luis_> and no way that i can do it
[03:46] <maco> no thats not true
[03:46] <luis_> ok
[03:46] <luis_> so how do i do what you say?
[03:46] <maco> you just cant use an apt:// link... can certainly still download a deb and double click it
[03:46] <maco> but before going that route, id look for a repository that keeps up to date with it
[03:47] <maco> somewhere in your settings (i dont know where as ive never used 8.04's version of kde) there's software sources. thats where you set what mirror you use, wehther you get all updaes or just security ones, etc.
[03:47] <marcelo> hi
[03:47] <luis_> i did this: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[03:47] <luis_> for hardy of course
[03:47] <maco> theres a checkbox in there to enable the backports repo, which gets you newer releases of software than what was available when your kubuntu release came out
[03:47] <maco> ah ok you got the ppa, great
[03:47] <luis_> yes
[03:47] <maco> then "sudo apt-get update" and then install wine is all you should need
[03:47] <luis_> thats what i am saying
[03:47] <luis_> i did that
[03:47] <maco> whatever version's in the ppa should become available to you
[03:47] <luis_> but is not updating
[03:48] <luis_> i dont know why
[03:48] <luis_> it doesn't give an errors it just don't update
[03:48] <luis_> i still see wine1.2
[03:48] <luis_> instead of wine1.3
[03:48] <claydoh> luis_: do it from the command line to see an error message if any:
[03:48] <claydoh> sudo apt-get update
[03:48] <luis_> i did that
[03:49] <luis_> several time
[03:49] <luis_> times*
[03:49] <claydoh> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:49] <luis_> and it doesn't work
[03:49] <luis_> ok here is what i did
[03:49] <yofel> that's not the problem - the problems is that that ppa has NO wine 1.3 HARDY packages
[03:49] <maco> 	1.2~winehq0~ubuntu~8.04-0ubuntu1
[03:49] <maco> yep yofel got it
[03:49] <luis_> sudo apt-get update, then upgrade, dist-upgrade, aptitude update, upgrade, dist-upgrade and dafe-upgrade
[03:50] <maco> the ppa only has that version there ^
[03:50] <luis_> all fot them one by one
[03:50] <luis_> that's it
[03:50] <luis_> lol
[03:50] <luis_> after ours and hours
[03:50] <claydoh> yup, yofel is correct there is no 1.3 for hardy
[03:50] <maco> yep
[03:50] <luis_> hahahaha thanks a lot yofel
[03:51] <luis_> still doesn't solve my issue
[03:51] <maco> unless winehq has some stash of debs somewhere, you're going to have to compile wine
[03:51] <valorie> http://www.winehq.org/download/deb
[03:52] <luis_> i also did that but is not working let me paste bin what i got
[03:52] <claydoh> luis_: I still suggest layonlinux
[03:52] <claydoh> http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
[03:52] <claydoh> has hardy packages
[03:52] <luis_> ok
[03:52] <luis_> wait
[03:52] <luis_> claydoh
[03:52] <claydoh> and uses wine to install IE, etc
[03:52] <luis_> here is my issue
[03:53] <luis_> at my work we use this thing to get the prices when selling an insurance it is a large company so we get speacial prices but in order to get this we need to get to a special webpage address and that page won't work properly on firefox
[03:54] <luis_> so googlin i found that theres a way to install IE so that web page can work properly
[03:54] <claydoh> but as men tioned it may be easier to change the user-agent string to spoof ie, or try other bowsers
[03:54] <luis_> that playonlinux would do?
[03:54] <claydoh> I have to do this on my work's trianing website
[03:55] <luis_> i also try google-chrome
[03:55] <claydoh> playonlinux uses wine to help install IE among other things, it even downloads wine files if needed
[03:55] <luis_> won't work much less konkeror
[03:55] <luis_> ok let me rry that
[03:55] <luis_> try*
[03:55] <luis_> see you in a while
[03:57] <claydoh> changing the user-agent to 'spoof' IE may also work, as is making sure you have the latest Firefox
[03:58] <claydoh> konqueror in Hardy is quite old and not quite a good broswer back then :)
[03:59] <luis_> never been
[03:59] <luis_> i don't know why they even still use konkeror
[04:00] <luis_> so basically this playonlinux is like wine?
[04:01] <claydoh> it is actually  a decent browser these days
[04:02] <claydoh> playon linux is using wine to do whatever is needed to install IE as well as other things
[04:02] <luis_> ok
[04:02] <claydoh> its just a graphical way of doing it as iirc it is rather complicated process to do manually
[04:03] <luis_> well is is installing it
[04:03] <claydoh> it download whatever it needs to do so, including wine itself
[04:03] <luis_> so once it finish installing i run playonlinux to install IE?
[04:03] <claydoh> I used it last week thinking a site wasn't looking good in ff, konq, etc
[04:04] <claydoh> but it was just a poorly written site that didn't work well in IE either :)
[04:04] <claydoh> yes, and other things as well tho I did not use it for anything else
[04:05] <luis_> that's actually my thinkng as well
[04:06] <luis_> i only need to get that web page working properly
[04:06] <claydoh> luis_: how old is your computer? My laptop is 7+ year old p4 and it runs KDE 4 quite well
[04:06] <claydoh> but i do have 1gb ram
[04:07] <phoenix_firebrd> does anyone experience jumping of mouse cursor in kde 4.6 rc2 ?
[04:07] <claydoh> hopefully i can upgrade to somethin olny 3 or 4 years old soon
[04:08] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: i have the same config
[04:08] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: I don't have any cursor probs
[04:08] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: how much  is your internel graphics card memory
[04:08] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: 8mb radeon
[04:09] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: kde 4.6 rc2?
[04:09] <luis_> ok
[04:09] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: yes, using Natty
[04:09] <luis_> the latest kubuntu
[04:09] <luis_> i hae installed
[04:09] <luis_> and it runs kind of ok
[04:09] <luis_> but for some reason it keeps shooting down on itself after certain time
[04:10] <luis_> that's why i went back to hardy
[04:10] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: my cursor sometimes jumps when it reaches the left corners
[04:11] <luis_> cause it doesn¿t like to be on the spot :P lol
[04:11] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: can you define certain time
[04:11] <luis_> like every 15 minutes
[04:11] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: what version of kde?
[04:11] <luis_> good qustion
[04:12] <luis_> what do you mean
[04:12] <luis_> kde the one that comes with the latest kubuntu
[04:12] <luis_> i have here de iso
[04:12] <luis_> let me see it
[04:12] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: open the file browser dolphin, goto menu ->help->about kde
[04:13] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: there you can see the kde version
[04:13] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: he's on hardy, so that will result in 3.5
[04:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i am asking about the one he used before that
[04:13] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: when I put my cursor to the left corner of my screen, it does the 'present windows effect' :) as it is supposed to do by default
[04:14] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: sure, but he'll have to reboot into that for your instructions
[04:14] <luis_> 3.5.10
[04:14] <luis_> thats what i have now
[04:14] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: i never heard of the prevent window effect
[04:15] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: hah present windows rather
[04:15] <luis_> and the one i did actually installed because i want it to have the latest was: 10.04 LTS
[04:15] <phoenix_firebrd> you tried 10.04 lts right?
[04:15] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: you tried 10.04 lts right?
[04:15] <luis_> but with this last one my computer keeps shooting down like every 15 minutes
[04:15] <luis_> even when installing it this i notice was happening
[04:16] <claydoh> imo 10.10 is better quality in terms of KDE version
[04:16] <luis_> let's see
[04:16] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: +1
[04:16] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: try 10.10
[04:16]  * claydoh snoozes, have to get up and move snow in the AM :(
[04:17] <phoenix_firebrd> claydoh: snow?
[04:17] <luis_> don't have that
[04:17] <luis_> but one thing i can tell you
[04:17] <luis_> i even try debian507
[04:17] <luis_> thats the lates
[04:17] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: where did you get the 10.04 image?
[04:18] <luis_> on kubuntu webpage
[04:19] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: try downloading the latest kubuntu version ie., 10.10 and try it
[04:19] <luis_> you know
[04:19] <luis_> i have been thinking
[04:19] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: the kde in 10.10 is much faster and stable
[04:19] <luis_> maybe is the kde
[04:19] <luis_> faster?
[04:20] <luis_> i like that
[04:20] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: very fast
[04:20] <luis_> let me ask you this
[04:20] <luis_> have you try debian?
[04:20] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: no
[04:20] <claydoh> phoenix_firebrd: yes, snow. it is winter here :)
[04:20] <claydoh> 'nite!
[04:20] <luis_> it feels so light
[04:20] <luis_> but when browsing
[04:21] <luis_> any aplication runs really fast and smoth on my computer
[04:21] <luis_> but if i go surfing on the web turns to slow
[04:21] <luis_> but i like what you say about the latest kubuntu
[04:22] <luis_> but do you think my coimputer will handle it?
[04:22] <luis_> let me see my computer features
[04:22] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: debian's main  aim is stablity. but the downside is that the proprietary drivers are not packaged
[04:22] <luis_> that is true
[04:23] <luis_> the only way to get the lates kubuntu is burning the iso
[04:23] <luis_> well
[04:23] <luis_> another question
[04:23] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: mine computer config  is p4 3.0 ghz, 1 gb ram and nvidia 9400gt 512 mb, works great for me
[04:23] <luis_> let me tell you mine features
[04:24] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: you can always order the cd, but can you wait till that
[04:26] <luis_> intel pentium 4 cpu 2.40 Ghz cache size 512 KB
[04:27] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: my brother's system is the same one. kubuntu 10.10 works fine
[04:28] <luis_> ok
[04:28] <luis_> now
[04:28] <yofel> yep, I have a p4 2.54GHz with 1GiB RAM and an nvidia 6<something> and it runs 10.10 fine
[04:28] <luis_> my RAM is half of it
[04:28] <luis_> no nvidia
[04:28] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats kubuntu
[04:29] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[04:30] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: kubuntu 10.10's minimum required ram is 256
[04:31] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes
[04:32] <luis_> wow
[04:32] <luis_> than i have another question
[04:32] <luis_> as you know there's this adept manager and it always tells me if i want to upgrade
[04:33] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: sure it wil
[04:33] <luis_> is there a way to do the upgrade to kubuntu10.10 from hardy? on terminal?
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> not directly. You have to go from 8.04 -> 10.04, and then to 10.10
[04:33] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: i think it is possible, but i wont recommend
[04:33] <luis_> cause terminal is faster i think
[04:34] <luis_> so best think is to make a fresh install
[04:34] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: ya
[04:34] <luis_> i got that
[04:35] <luis_> so you are actually telling me that this new kubuntu is way better than the former ones? lucis and karmic? that is also lighter than the former ones?
[04:36] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: there is a new feature called, caching that is used by the latest kde makes it very fast
[04:36] <luis_> mmm i like that
[04:37] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: on jan 26 kde 4.6 is going to be released
[04:38] <luis_> well i think that kde4 is heavy for my computer and that is why with the new version gets slower and also shoot down on its own
[04:38] <luis_> but this kde4.6 is going to be lighter acording to what you are telling me right?
[04:38] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: check you ram
[04:39] <luis_> how do i check my ram?
[04:39] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: when you run the live cd, at the boot menu, there will be an option called , memory test, use that and check for any ram defects
[04:40] <luis_> ooo but that takes ages
[04:40] <luis_> i did that once
[04:40] <luis_> never finished
[04:40] <luis_> i stop my computer
[04:40] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: i think it wont finish
[04:40] <luis_> i left it all night long
[04:40] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: run it for certain time and see it it reports any data loss
[04:41] <luis_> so how do i know if it doesn¿t give a report sorry but for this matters i think i am a little stupid
[04:41] <luis_> certain time like minutes or hours?
[04:42] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: read this .http://www.memtest.org/
[04:42] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: try for 20 or 30 min
[04:42] <luis_> ok
[04:42] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: or what ever the above link says
[04:44] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: see that if the application reports something like 'data lost'
[04:44] <luis_> i see
[04:45] <phoenix_firebrd> luis_: i got to go now, bye
[04:46] <luis_> thank you very much
[04:46] <luis_> take care
[05:28] <MadRush2> how do you select which sound card you want to use in 10.04
[05:30] <MadRush2> kind of odd to have an irc channel with 220 people in it but nobody talking
[07:24] <bigbrovar> Hi guys, is anyone else experiencing this bug on Kubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527
[07:26] <bigbrovar> That bug is really making my experience a nightmare.
[10:29] <monzie> Hello all
[10:34] <mandla> Aparted from gparted what other partition editors are available for Kubuntu 10.10
[10:35] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: kparted
[10:35] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: is it available in apt-get repos?
[10:36] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: no
[10:36] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: How to i install it?
[10:36] <valorie> partitionmanager
[10:37] <valorie> afaik is already installed in 10.10
[10:38] <mandla> valorie: thanx
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: try this "partition manager" in apt and see if it is installed
[10:38] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: this will be helpfull to you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disk_partitioning_software
[10:39] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: yah its installing, thanx
[10:39] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: welcome
[10:40] <phoenix_firebrd> valorie: do you have gparted
[10:40] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: so i can format my external HDD with it?
[10:40] <mandla> phoenix_firebrd: gparted is not stable in 10.10
[10:40] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: you can
[10:40] <phoenix_firebrd> mandla: ya thats the problem
[10:44] <valorie> no, gparted would be a gnome app
[10:44] <valorie> not installed on my system
[10:45] <valorie> kparted doesn't exist anymore, I don't think
[10:45] <valorie> partitionmanager is the new app
[10:46] <valorie> hmmm, but I'm wrong, it isn't installed by default
[10:46] <valorie> sorry for the wrong info
[10:46] <HackeMate> hello
[10:46] <HackeMate> could kubuntu run fluid in pentium4 with 1gb ram?
[10:48] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: mine has the same configuration p4 3.0ghz 1 gb ram, kubuntu 10.10 works fine for me
[10:48] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: what is the gpu?
[10:49] <HackeMate> an intregated one
[10:49] <HackeMate> intel i believe
[10:49] <HackeMate> not gamer computer, just an office one
[10:49] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: the desktop effects wont be nice. so disable it
[10:50] <HackeMate> else will be ok?
[10:50] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: you can do some tweaks to make it faster
[10:50] <HackeMate> i dont mind too much about effects
[10:50] <HackeMate> oh, good
[10:50] <HackeMate> google will advice me i guess
[10:50] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: ya
[10:51] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: search for diabling services and tweaking kde oxygen
[10:52] <phoenix_firebrd> HackeMate: if you are not going to use any sound related things, you can uninstall pulseaudio
[10:54] <HackeMate> okey :)
[11:15] <mantas_Newbie> hello everyone
[11:19] <mantas_Newbie> could anyone help me pls?
[11:20] <valorie> !ask
[11:21] <mantas_Newbie> sorry, im first time here.. new kubuntu user. I need help to add key indicator for changing languages in typing...
[11:23] <mantas_Newbie> I saw some information that u add key indicator by clicking on panel and when "add to panel" in ubuntu.. but it seems it is a little bit different in kubuntu... and i cant find..how to do that.. still googling
[11:24] <mantas_Newbie> !ask checking...
[11:24] <mantas_Newbie> !ask language
[11:25] <mantas_Newbie> !ask keyboard
[11:25] <mantas_Newbie> !ask help
[11:25] <valorie> !language
[11:25] <valorie> heh
[11:26] <valorie> not sure exactly what you are looking for....
[11:26] <valorie> !keyboard
[11:26] <valorie> that might be what you need?
[11:27] <mantas_Newbie> ill check thanks
[11:27] <valorie> the point of a help channel is that those who can help will speak up
[11:27] <mantas_Newbie> xubuntu and kubuntu is the same?
[11:32] <valorie> no, xubuntu uses the xfce desktop, while kubuntu uses the Plasma (KDE) desktop
[11:32] <valorie> like Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop
[11:33] <valorie> but the *buntu part, yes, that's the same
[11:37] <ct529> hi guys .... i am having so many problems with kwin/xorg and cpu/memory preformance that I switched to icewm .... anyone experiencing similar problems?
[11:39] <ct529> In particular when I have firefox running, my laptop jams constantly .... handfuls of sceond to execute anything .... nothing of that sort with icewm (or gnome even, but icewm miles better)
[11:40] <ct529> windows that freeze for secobnds at a time when maximised and so on .... kde 454 on 1004 lts at 64 bit here
[11:41] <mantas_Newbie> back to my problem: in the link given few minutes ago says to configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... but there is no such a file in my kubuntu...
[11:42] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: $ locate xorg.conf returns /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:43] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: try locate
[11:44] <mantas_Newbie> that $ means i have to past to terminal?
[11:44] <mantas_Newbie> paste*
[11:44] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: if you do not have the file that is a bit of a problem then :-D
[11:44] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: yep, in terminal, write "locate xorg.conf" then press "enter"
[11:47] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: what graphic card do you have
[11:47] <mantas_Newbie> i just found xorg.conf.d in usr/share/x11 but thats folder
[11:47] <mantas_Newbie> intergrated
[11:48] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: integrated what? what chip? what version did you install?
[11:48] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: version of kubuntu?
[11:48] <mantas_Newbie> i thought i dont need any drivers in kubuntu
[11:48] <mantas_Newbie> so i did not instal anythinig
[11:48] <mantas_Newbie> 10.10
[11:49] <jelektra> hi
[11:49] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: well, what is your chipset?
[11:49] <mantas_Newbie> if I was in windows.. i could tell chip and other info about graphic card now not sure
[11:49] <jelektra> i just install kubuntu
[11:49] <mantas_Newbie> i ll try to check in asus support for my laptop
[11:51] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: try that: $lspci -v | grep -i vga
[11:51] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: and let me know
[11:52] <mantas_Newbie> gm965/gl960
[11:52] <mantas_Newbie> thats enough?
[11:52] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: good ....
[11:53] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: well, could you please paste the whole line?
[11:53] <mantas_Newbie> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[11:54] <mantas_Newbie> honestly, i  did not write any drivers at all.. should i instal some of them?
[11:54] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: don't worry .... that should be supported, what is the problem?
[11:55] <mantas_Newbie> em... we were looking for graphic driver.. without knowing problem;) i think problem is not related with drivers
[11:55] <mantas_Newbie> as i said before..
[11:56] <mantas_Newbie> i need key indicator or sth like this tthat i could switch languages for typing in office or anywhere else
[11:56] <mantas_Newbie> in more details.. i need english(us) and lithuanian
[11:56] <mantas_Newbie> language layouts
[11:57] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: why are looking at the xorg then? and you must have a xorg.conf file!
[11:57] <mantas_Newbie> somebody here..told me to do that
[11:58] <mantas_Newbie> thats why https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html
[11:58] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: is kde working?
[11:59] <mantas_Newbie> sorry i need explanation how to know that...
[11:59] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: that is very very old help .... forget about it
[11:59] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: are you in the graphicla interface?
[11:59] <mantas_Newbie> i am windows user for about 12 years
[11:59] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: open a terminal
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: write "systemsettings" and press "enter"
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: go to "hardware" and "input devices"
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: go to the tab "layout"
[12:00] <mantas_Newbie> i already using it.. in country/region & language...
[12:00] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: that is what you are looking for
[12:00] <mantas_Newbie> ok
[12:01] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: click on "configure layout"
[12:01] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: click on "add layout"
[12:02] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: choose language "Lithuanian"
[12:02] <mantas_Newbie> thanks a lot
[12:02] <mantas_Newbie> i got that button
[12:02] <mantas_Newbie> on panel;)
[12:03] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: with the arrow put Lithuanian on top of the list, and then click "apply"
[12:03] <mantas_Newbie> ęęėįęėį
[12:03] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: and it is done!
[12:03] <mantas_Newbie> thanks its working
[12:03] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: np, have a good day
[12:03] <mantas_Newbie> thank you a lot.. but i think i will come back here a lot;)
[12:04] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: ;)
[12:05] <mantas_Newbie> so briefly, do i need to instal any drivers and antivirus to kubuntu?;)
[12:09] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: the drivers should be in your kernel .... if you try $dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel, these should be the driver for your card
[12:09] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: as antivirus, the real problem is that you can pass windows virus to other windows machines, but they do not affect linux
[12:09] <mantas_Newbie> any way to make working all buttons for mouse?
[12:10] <vanguard> mantas_Newbie: You might need to install a graphics card driver, you find these in the "Additional Drivers" Program
[12:10] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: you can install clamav , just do $ sudo pat-get install clamav
[12:11] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: let me know whether you have the drivers I mentioned
[12:11] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: that is, let me know what it says when you do $dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:11] <mantas_Newbie> i got over 20 lines after that
[12:12] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: ok, good it is installed
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> paths in lines
[12:12] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: you have the drivers .... what is the problem with your mouse?
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> i cant use back.forward
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> button
[12:12] <mantas_Newbie> in web browser or dolphin
[12:13] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: sorry, I am lost .... what do you want to do????
[12:13] <mantas_Newbie> u know.. side buttons on mouse?;)
[12:13] <mantas_Newbie> usually u use them for functions as BACK or FORWARD
[12:13] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: no
[12:13] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: I have 3 buttons on the mouse her
[12:14] <vanguard> mantas_Newbie: I know what you mean, but I do not have the solution. But my mouse has 7 buttons ...
[12:14] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: how many buttons do you have?
[12:14] <mantas_Newbie> some mice have 5 buttons
[12:14] <mantas_Newbie> or even more
[12:14] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: what is the model of your mouse?
[12:14] <mantas_Newbie> cordless logitech..  i will findout soon
[12:14] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: it should be under the mouse, on a label
[12:15] <stancke> hello
[12:15] <mantas_Newbie> my label might be under batteries:D
[12:16] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: you can go on logitech website and look for it
[12:16] <ct529> mantas_Newbie:  is this it http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/for-business/products/mice-presentation-devices/devices/4900?
[12:17] <mantas_Newbie> mx 610 laser cordless mouse from logitech
[12:18] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-332256.html
[12:18] <mantas_Newbie> again that xorg.conf file
[12:18] <mantas_Newbie> which is missing
[12:19] <mantas_Newbie> in my kubuntu
[12:19] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[12:19] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: did you run the command $locate xorg.conf
[12:19] <mantas_Newbie> yeah it found only xorg.conf.d which looked like folder.. and there wasnt any files like xorg.conf inside
[12:20] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: ok, this is the right guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_MX610
[12:21] <mantas_Newbie> ubuntu is more popular?
[12:21] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: use this last one
[12:21] <mantas_Newbie> than kubuntu?
[12:21] <mantas_Newbie> so if i need help with kubuntu.. i can look for it in ubuntu forums too yeah?
[12:21] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: it is the same family .... the configuration files are the same for ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, and so on
[12:23] <mantas_Newbie> the latest guide using xorg.conf too
[12:23] <mantas_Newbie> is it usual problem that this file is missing?
[12:23] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: it does not make much difference, there is agood guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:24] <mantas_Newbie> what about path like this... /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/examples/xorg.conf
[12:24] <mantas_Newbie> ?
[12:24] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: instead of having only one file, you have different files in the directory xorg.conf.d
[12:24] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: but they are all read as a file
[12:24] <mantas_Newbie> oh
[12:24] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: read the last guide I sent you first, then you read the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_MX610, and you will probably solve the problem
[12:25] <ct529> mantas_Newbie: if you still have the problem I will be aorund later
[12:29] <ct529> In particular when I have firefox running, my laptop jams constantly .... handfuls of sceond to execute anything .... nothing of that sort with icewm (or gnome even, but icewm miles better)
[12:44] <etidhor> hi all
[12:50] <inan> hi
[13:00] <saivinoba> hi 'uname -p' gives output as 'unknown'. But I get correct info regarding my processor in Slackware. how do i get this info in kubuntu?
[13:03] <ct529> saivinoba: uname -m
[13:04] <ct529> saivinoba: use lscpu as well
[13:04] <saivinoba> ct529: -m just says arch.
[13:05] <saivinoba> lscpu is very informative. thanks
[13:05] <ct529> saivinoba: np
[13:05] <saivinoba> but why dont we get this info in uname? its same in debian and fedora. it works fine in slack and gentoo..
[13:06] <ct529> saivinoba: cpuid gives you the complete extended information
[13:06] <ct529> saivinoba: sudo apt-get install cpuid if you do not have it
[13:06] <ct529> saivinoba: I have no idea why
[13:08] <saivinoba> ct529: i got the info i needed. as for 'why' i will google... thanks :-)
[13:08] <ct529> saivinoba: np
[13:10] <ct529> have to go, bye!
 uname -a
[13:21] <ivan__> hi, is there any problem with kubuntu 10.10? i've it freezing a lot, just mouse work, keyboard and the whole system does not... it's not only my pc, also on another one (complete different system/hardware) from a clean setup
 mine is working well, despite some kde issues
 if your system freezes a lot, could it be video driver issues, which video card are you using?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:36] <ivan__> dsemblano: don't think it's the video card.... here i've a nvidia, on the other an ati
[13:36] <ivan__> i've tried both open and closed drivers
[13:36] <ivan__> with both enabled and disabled effects
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ivan__, hve you instaaled the reommended nvidia drivers in system hardware drivers ?
[13:39] <ivan__> BluesKaj: yes
[13:40] <BluesKaj> my KB is acting up again ...searching for new batteries
[13:41] <BluesKaj> which driver is it ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> and which nvidia card?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> ivan__, I repeat , which nvivia card and which driver
[13:47] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[13:48] <ivan__> BluesKaj: sorry, when i tried it was the last recommended available, don't remember the version... now i'm trying with the open one, but it's the same
[13:48] <ivan__> BluesKaj: the card is a nvs 160m
[13:51] <BluesKaj> ivan__, the driver is the 260.19.12 ?
[13:52] <ivan__> BluesKaj: i don't remember
[13:53] <BluesKaj> the nvidia x server settings in the kmenu/system will tell you, ivan__ ...we have to know if it's the correct driver for your card
[13:54] <ivan__> BluesKaj: as i said now i've installed the open driver, so i don't have the closed one anymore, neither the nvidia settings in the system menu
[13:56] <BluesKaj> ok , if that's what you want
[15:02] <GHH> I am having a great problem after removing kdm just for getting console login
[15:02] <GHH> Can someone help me please?
[15:03] <TheBobber> Hi. I installed 10.10 using wubi  but there's a couple of problems... on boot there's a problem with /dev/str1 & just before the logon screen there's a ubuntu-logon messages that has a failed attached to it & then when I try & restart from the logon screen it doesn't... it just goes to a black screen & sits there
[15:03] <GHH> Can someone help me please?
[15:04] <GHH> !wubi.exe
[15:05] <GHH> !kdm
[15:05] <BluesKaj> GHH, sudo service kdm start
[15:06] <BluesKaj> GHH, or startx
[15:06] <GHH> BluesKaj, When i start the pc it giving me alot of thing like debug and hanging
[15:07] <GHH> It is not giving me to type anything
[15:07] <TheBobber> BluesKaj: I think he means he removed kdm & can't get to a command prompt even now
[15:08] <GHH> TheBobber, correct
[15:08] <BluesKaj> GHH, ok reboot , then hold the shift key down to get the grub menu, then choose the recovery kernel and then in the dialog choose fix broken packages and either reboot or startx
[15:08] <GHH> The last line i can remember: fsck linux-util
[15:09] <GHH> dev/sda3:clean,44433/98732,file 908392/395884
[15:10] <GHH> and then taking so long time but nothing happening
[15:10] <BluesKaj> reboot ,and do what I posted above
[15:11] <GHH> OK
[15:11] <GHH> coming back soon
[15:28] <TheBobber> any ideas on the 3 errors I listed? it's a fresh installed booted only to log in screen & no further
[15:33] <BluesKaj> TheBobber, /dev/str1 ?
[15:34] <TheBobber> think that's it... might have muddled the order up
[15:36] <GHH> BluesKaj, no, It is not working and just hanging
[15:38] <GHH> i thought it is working and i waited for 20-30 minute but no. at least i pres the control + alter delete to reboot
[15:40] <rcrane> hi
[15:41] <GHH> BluesKaj, any solve ?
[15:42] <TheBobber> hmm
[15:43] <TheBobber> no that's not it
[15:43] <TheBobber> more like srm?
[15:44] <GHH> srm mean?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> GHH, ok looks like you need to boot in with grub set to nomodeset, this is supposed to help boot into the desktop in low graphics mode where you can then choose the recommended hardware driver in settings. Boot to the grub menu with the shift ket like before , rh right click on the kernel and ' e ' for edit and look for the line with nomodeset , edit ti to to nomodeset=yes
[15:47] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:47] <GHH> BluesKaj, at this time i have installed 3 OS...... (Ubuntu,Ubuntu(kubuntu-desktop),WINE). I was installed GDM too
[15:48] <BluesKaj> GHH, wine isn't an OS
[15:49] <GHH> But i rm it for the kdm. But i like console(debug)login that is why i rm kdm also
[15:49] <BluesKaj> anyway, I have to go ...BBL
[15:49] <GHH> BluesKaj, wine=windows vista
[15:50] <TheBobber> hmm?
[15:50] <GHH> BluesKaj, What is the right way removing kdm or getting console as default for user login (Please i need your help)
[15:52] <GHH> ?
[15:55] <GHH> TheBobber?
[15:55] <GHH> TheBobber, ?
[15:56] <metallico> guys, how can i get the dekstop cube? I have the cube effect as animation when i switch between my desktops but i cant get into the cube to rotate it..
[16:03] <tsimpson> metallico: I think it defaults to Ctrl+F11
[16:07] <metallico> thank you soo much!
[16:07] <metallico> how can i change that keybord combination?
[16:10] <tsimpson> metallico: from System Setting -> Desktop -> All Effects, there should be a button to the right of "Desktop Cube" to configure the combination
[16:16] <metallico> thank you mate
[16:16] <metallico>  it's not letting me assign control + alt + left click for some reason
[16:17] <tsimpson> it has to be a keyboard combination currently
[16:18] <metallico> i wanted to have just ctrl + alt but that's not possible as well, so i just left it as escape
[16:18] <metallico> will change it later
[16:18] <metallico> thank you very much tsimpson
[16:20] <Daskreech> metallico: ctrl and alt are modifer keys they need to modify something
[16:22] <metallico> ok
[16:41] <mantas_Newbie> hi.. question related with windows xp virtualization on kubuntu 10.10. I used VirtualBox for Ubuntu 10.10 ("Maverick Meerkat") i386. I created virtual disk for windows xp but i cant instal windows as virtualbox do not find any cd/dvd image (*.iso). Anyone could help with this?
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> can anyone tell me what kind of problem i have here?   Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[16:59] <mantas_Newbie> as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
[16:59] <FloodBotK1> mantas_Newbie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:00] <jordi_> hola
[17:04] <mantas_Newbie> can anyone tell me what kind of problem i have here? Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[17:04] <mantas_Newbie> as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
[17:14] <Daskreech> mantas_Newbie: Did you install dkms>
[17:14] <Daskreech> ?
[17:15] <mantas_Newbie> sry what is dkms? i am kubuntu user since yesterday.. so newbie here
[17:17] <Daskreech> Dynamic Kernel Module .. something?
[17:17] <Daskreech> it's what allows low level kernel drivers to exist after startup
[17:17] <mantas_Newbie> no i didnt
[17:18] <mantas_Newbie> can i do it now?
[17:18] <mantas_Newbie> i already created virtual disk.. just cant instal windows to it
[17:26] <mantas_Newbie> can anyone tell me what this means : Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root.
 on terminal, sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[17:53] <squidy> hi there..
[17:53] <squidy> is there a solution about kde4 proxy authentication details?
[17:54] <squidy> i can't store my username and password in proxy settings
[17:56] <squidy> there is a bugreport for this issue (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232626).. but is there a workaround ?
[17:56] <squidy> it happens since 9.04 (i think).. and now 10.10 it still happens... :-(
 Indeed, always prompt the window which password is saved...
 unfortunately I don't know any workaround
[18:17] <squidy> dsemblano: ok dude.. thx
[18:19] <Darothane> can someone tell me how I stop a window being dragged when i alt-click on it?
 yw
[19:16] <moses> is there software for like taking notes via a touchscreen notebook
[20:30] <vanguard> is there a cli tool that joins all lines into a single one?
[20:34] <vanguard> j/join dev
[20:43] <kyubutsu> is there a way to make [applications] the first kickoff option?
[21:03] <domux__> kyubutsu: yea this option is in the system config
[21:31] <Westyvw> on ubuntu i know how to manage services, what is the method in kubuntu?
[21:43] <HackeMate> hello, i have disabled the knetwork manager because it was messing my eth0
[21:43] <HackeMate> now firefox wont connect until i set up manually /etc/resolv.conf
[21:43] <HackeMate> each time i open session
[21:43] <HackeMate> the ip is configured, but the nameserver no
[21:44] <HackeMate> can i set up the nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces instead?
[21:44] <HackeMate> for some reason       knetworkmanager is still overwritten it
[21:45] <rork> Westyvw: commandline tools work the same as in ubuntu, there are some (kde specific) services you can manage in System Settings > (Advanced >) Service Manager & Autostart (might be renamed in 10.10) but these don't include services like sshd, vsftpd or cups
[21:45] <Westyvw> rork: yep it is sshd that i am looking for. is that the same as ssh-agent?
[21:46] <vanguard> Westyvw: sshd is the server
[21:46] <Westyvw> ok just wondered if they renamed to be ssh-agent, thats a new one to me
[21:47] <Westyvw> so i take it /etc/init.d sshd restart should do
[21:47] <Westyvw> or something along those lines
[21:48] <genii-around> sudo start servicename
[21:55] <peabody> so my laptop backlight has turned off and I can't get it to turn back on. When I reboot, it comes back up until I login to my account, and then it turns back off. I tried creating a new user, and logging in as them, and when they log in the backlight turns off.. wtf
[21:55] <peabody> isabled all the power management "dim backlight" stuff
[21:57] <genii-around> peabody: Is it an ATI card?
[21:57] <peabody> maybe
[21:57] <peabody> it's a Sony laptop
[21:57] <peabody> I thinkATI and not nvidia right?
[21:58] <genii-around> peabody: lspci| grep VGA should say
[21:58] <peabody> I can't read anything in terminal so I can't lspci
[21:58] <peabody> I have no backlight, I can barely see anything on the screen
[21:59] <genii-around> Yes, tricky spot
[22:01] <peabody> can I change the terminaground color to white and text to black?
[22:01] <peabody> *background
[22:02] <genii-around> peabody: Don't you have a key combo like FN-F1   or so that is hardware brightness control? Most laptops have something like it
[22:02] <peabody> yeah, it doesn't do anything
[22:04] <peabody> this is obnoxiously dissapointing, I'll have to look at it later.
[22:04] <peabody> thanks for listening
[22:04] <genii-around> np
[22:59] <sourcemaker> can you tell me, how to enable the gpg-agent?
[23:18] <rtdos> networking question: my dsl modem was running out of network ports so i hooked up a router to move all of my nas devices from the dsl modem to the router and moved one computer to the router. the computer on the router cannot see other devices on my network but can connect to the internet. other devices on my network (that connect through the dsl modem) can no longer see the nas devices which are now attached to the router. how can i get the
[23:18] <rtdos>  nas devices viewable on my network?
[23:21] <genii-around> rtdos: I assume the dsl modem is giving out dhcp numbers?
[23:22] <rtdos> yes
[23:23] <genii-around> rtdos: The problem likely is router gets number and uses modem for nameserver/gateway, but then itself assigns a different range to it's own ports.
[23:24] <rtdos> i disabled dhcp on the router
[23:25] <genii-around> rtdos: The simplest way would be to just turn off dhcp entirely on router, use it as a switch by not plugging it's WAN port into one of the modem's ports
[23:25] <genii-around> eg: modem assigns same range to everything on router
[23:30] <rtdos> so unplug the wan on the router and move the plug over to one of the available ports? (i already have dhcp turned off on the router)
[23:42] <genii-around> rtdos: Yes, exactly. Apologies on lag, work required me
[23:56] <Exilant> using  kubuntu maverick with the latest kde from kubuntu-ppa, i no longer get the new device notifier popup on insertion of a usb stick. Also nothing in dolphin, just oldschool manual mounting is possible. Any ideas how to debug this?