[00:23] czajkowski: elmo said it is due to the old moin version they are running [00:24] nhandler: so help me one of these days I'm going to find them severs and kick them very hard :) [00:25] doctormo: :) [00:26] czajkowski: Try working on a UWN release with errors every second or third edit ;) [00:26] nhandler: at least with that you can use a tomboy note and do al the work in that then copy in for final version [00:26] for random editing it;'s just a pain lately [00:27] nhandler: What do you need for that? [00:27] czajkowski: You know the wiki has no search indexing? Every time someone does a search, it brings the sever to it's knees. [00:28] doctormo: Nah, we are fine. The errors aren't too bad (since at least no information is lost). It is more of an annoyance than anything (having to reload the page) [00:28] doctormo: That is why I use Google's 'site:wiki.ubuntu.com' feature [00:33] nhandler: Sometimes I think you guys revel in being stick in the muds with that wiki. [00:33] I maintain my belief that it's a burden to the ubuntu community. [00:33] And should probably be deleted entirely. [00:36] I hate the wiki [00:36] The wiki does have its uses, but I do think that it is over-used a bit [01:09] I use It's all text for editing wikis so if the server crashes you still have your edits [01:32] dinda, any more progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/704143 ? [01:32] Launchpad bug 704143 in ubuntudeveloperportal "Make Ubuntu developer manual available on developer.ubuntu.com" [High,Confirmed] [01:33] jono: not today, still haven't been able to talk to kyle [01:35] ok, does he know about the bug? [01:36] dinda, he does now, I just subscribed him to it :-) [01:36] jono: no but I'll tell him; everything in there is what he was advocating for on the mailing list just last week [01:37] jono: he had some good ideas on how to make it happen [01:37] cool :-) [01:42] jono: I'm in an America's board meeting right now - we've been meaning to ask you if there is some push internally to make canonical technical folks apply for membership asap? we had several candidates who seemed rather 'anxious' that they get membership asap [01:43] jono: have to run, will catch up later === IdleOne is now known as gpc [06:54] good morning [07:00] jono, on it [07:00] dholbach, thanks so much, pal [07:00] sorry to burden you with this on a Friday morning [07:01] no worries [07:01] dholbach, I assume there will be no problem getting me those stats? [07:01] I hope not - if it's the same as last time [07:01] afaik they are [07:01] I will check in a bit later and see how you are doing [07:02] thanks! [08:00] Morning o/ [08:02] kim0, صباح الخير [08:02] صباح النور [08:03] Lovely shiny sunny weather [08:04] kim0, speak for yourself :) [08:05] I am hehe [08:06] misty and gloomy in Belgium [08:07] 0°C, grey, chance of snow in Berlin [08:50] morning all [08:51] hey dpm [08:53] heya dholbach [09:52] Ohh today is dholbach day! aka NATIONAL HUG DAY !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hug_Day [09:52] yyyyyyyyyyyyooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhoooooooooo! [09:52] * dholbach HUGS YOU ALL [09:53] * Tm_T huggles dholbach and everyone else [10:32] *hugs* [10:33] * topyli hugs Alot === daker_ is now known as daker [11:31] * jussi hi 5's duanedesign [11:32] National Hug day... which nation...? (Why not "international"?) [11:59] morning all [11:59] duanedesign, morning :-) [12:00] hello amber o/ [12:01] I need an audacity expert :-/ I can [12:02] I can't figure out one thing I want to change on the interview I recorded yesterday.. :-( [12:09] akgraner: try #ubuntustudio - although it is a little on the dead sid atm [12:10] akgraner: whats the specific thing? [12:10] jussi - thanks [12:10] * popey has used audacity a *bit* [12:10] podcasting etc [12:10] popey - I need to make it center pan instead of panning hard left and right [12:11] jorge is in one ear and I am in the other [12:11] ahhh [12:11] and I wanted to fix it [12:11] skype call huh? [12:11] yeah - and I forgot to change the settings [12:11] you could just make it mono :) [12:11] thats the quick and easy way [12:12] ahhh let me try that then...it doesn't sound bad in you are listening to it on the computer but if you put on headphones it's a but annoying [12:12] bit even [12:12] http://joedale.typepad.com/integrating_ict_into_the_/2010/02/recording-skype-and-editing-in-audacity.html [12:13] "When you've finished editing, split the tracks again. Click on the drop down menu and select Mono for each one. Select both tracks by holding down Ctrl and pressing A or clicking Edit/Select/All. Then click Project/Quick Mix and you're done. To achieve stereo separation, slide the L .. R pan control 20% to the right for one of the tracks and 20% to the left for the other before mixing them both together." [12:13] popey thank you!!! [12:13] HTH, off to lunch [12:13] np [12:13] thanks [12:15] popey thanks! that worked - you are the man!! [12:36] \o/ === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:44] *YAwn* [14:45] * popey tickles JFo [14:54] * evilvish cautiously tickles popey … someone's gotta try it! ;p [14:54] JFo: Ents Crew was a group of students who used to work security in my uni, we used to bus students to clubs and work the night club with the other bouncers, and bring students on class parties. We also were a bunch of piss heads :) [14:57] sounds like a fun crew :) [14:57] * JFo slaps popey's hands away :) [14:57] JFo: yeah some of my best mates from college are in that group, all coming from different courses, we try and meet up now and go on weekend trips. [14:57] cool [14:58] yup [15:04] hmmm [15:05] this "always on" glow in unity is confusing [15:07] at least you have unity [15:07] *mutters* [15:37] hey czajkowski [15:37] is there a reason we don't just forward /LoCoTeamList to the directory? [15:37] jcastro: ello [15:37] jcastro: what do you mean? [15:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList [15:37] shouldn't these be on the directory by now? [15:38] jcastro: aye most are but there are still groups who use the wiki [15:38] :( [15:38] I'd be all for it being in one central place ie the LD tbh [15:38] some teams edit the wiki easier then the LD [15:39] even sense the last day poked people on irc to change stuf as he cant on the LD [15:39] :s [15:46] hey all [15:47] hey jono [15:47] hey dpm [15:48] hi [15:48] hey dpm, do you have an example on how to use that big orange button CSS on your portal? [15:48] I just need like an example [15:49] hola jono [15:50] jcastro: but if you fancy we can try it ot for a while [15:50] hey dholbach [15:50] hey o/ [15:50] and see if there are any massive objections [15:50] czajkowski: well, if there's going to be a rebellion .... [15:50] I think it'd be a really good idea [15:50] jcastro: I can deal with that [15:50] :) [15:50] resolved the LP issue yesterday [15:51] I think I can deal with an wiki issue [15:51] ok [15:51] not to sound overly cynical ... (here it comes) [15:51] w00t [15:51] but I am starting to agree with doctormo that we need to delete large swaths of the wiki [15:51] lol [15:52] the whole wiki probably not [15:52] * doctormo does a little dance [15:52] but like, there's some serious junk [15:52] jcastro: I don't think you;ll find anyone in here that will disagree with you, however many teams heavily use it, as they can add content that is not English which they can't elsewhere :( [15:53] jcastro: JFo jono http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hug_Day [15:53] yep :) [15:53] yeah but there's no reason we can't do "find any wiki page that's older than 2 years that no one has touched since then" [15:53] and then blam, there you go, a list of pages for people to either fix or delete for global jam [15:54] czajkowski, :-) [15:54] jcastro: *ahem* loco council did this last bug jam :) [15:54] oh? [15:54] how many pages was it? was it like alot? [15:54] jcastro: problem is as I said you'll find one member of the community who randomly adds conten to a wiki page [15:54] jcastro: bout 30 [15:54] not many pages granted [15:55] but so many link to places and link back it's a maze [15:55] I plan to do another one this bug jam [15:55] it's intensely frustrating [15:56] jcastro: I won't argue with you :) [15:56] but the thing is take community on the wiki, it's a massive area [15:56] and lotta folks add "snippets" to random pages [15:56] if you remove them, they tend to get very cranky :( [15:56] maybe instead we should say .... [15:57] "think twice before putting something on the wiki" [15:57] or "go back and tidy up please" [15:57] nods [15:58] jcastro, unfortunately not, my button is not CSS-enabled, I need to work on that later. What I can give you, though, is the button in SVG format to modify. [15:58] but even then, if I had 500 people each with 40 hours, it's past the point of performance return that they could never get anywhere [15:58] dpm: that would be perfect! [15:58] dpm: just send it over mail or whatever, and no rush [15:58] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [15:59] lp down, wiki's slow, forums need new hw. [15:59] we're getting big! [15:59] Maybe we could have an archiving point, say 2 years after which wiki pages come with a giant warning about how they're out of date and may need updating. [15:59] jcastro, sure. If you know the text that will be there, I can send you a button already with the text you want. [15:59] oh I'm going to do a bunch of them [16:00] "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request." [16:00] ok, I'll send you a generic one then, just a sec... [16:00] yeah just have it say "Frequently Asked Questions" or something [16:00] that's one I'll use a bunch [16:01] AlanBell: did you ever get any traction for turning on that text indexing or whatever? [16:02] jcastro, jono, http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Unity-Bite-Size-Bug-Campaign-Interview-with-Canonical-s-Jorge-Castro there you go :-) [16:03] popey, thanks again :-) [16:03] np :) [16:03] anytime [16:03] akgraner: on it! [16:03] akgraner, rock and roll! [16:04] \o/ [16:12] morning all [16:12] jcastro, buttons on your way [16:14] * popey tickles Technoviking [16:14] thanks [16:14] jono: you're using the css "awesome" class right? [16:14] jcastro, for which site? [16:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j6s87ly7hs <---------- FAVOURITE BAND [16:14] jono: developer.u.c [16:14] popey: tee-he [16:15] Get Started [16:15] that's for the fancy buttons ^ [16:16] jono: still want to chat today? If you are swamped, it can wait till you get back for sure. [16:17] omg, class awesome is ... well, you know [16:17] ok my friends, I call it a day - have a great weekend [16:17] dholbach: you too [16:17] dholbach: toodles [16:17] * czajkowski hugs dholbach [16:17] see you dholbach! [16:18] * dholbach hugs you all back :) [16:18] dholbach: nice weekend [16:19] dpm: have a good weekend! [16:19] dholbach: ^^ [16:19] tabfail :( [16:21] Pendulum, no worries, always happy to get wished a good weekend! :-) [16:21] now who can I interview for next week [16:21] muahaha [16:21] akgraner: that sounds scary [16:21] * Pendulum hids from akgraner [16:22] I know - I'm in a weird mood today :-) giddy with a touch or fright... [16:22] of even [16:22] but it works for me [16:22] dpm: I remember what happened now, you showed your button and I was like "oooh" [16:22] and then bacon showed the CSS and I was like "oooh, more" [16:24] :-) [16:24] yeah, CSS is the way [16:25] I need to do this for the translation portal theme too [16:25] I just hope no one blames me for it being called "awesome" [16:26] because you know people will be like "ugh, jorge was here, why couldn't he just call it 'button' or something" [16:30] tell them I named it [16:30] :) [16:30] and that they should prepare for the 'epic' ones [16:30] ;-) [16:30] Technoviking, definitel [16:30] y [16:30] I just need to figure out a time [16:31] * czajkowski suspects jono has a phone glued to his ear these days [16:31] czajkowski, I do right now :-) [16:32] * czajkowski hugs jono [16:32] * czajkowski munches on his prawn crisps [16:32] saw them had to buy em [16:32] nyommmy [16:35] i have a meeting from 11am till 12 noon MST (may run long, but free other than runing to get my son from school real quick [16:38] czajkowski: i am waiting for him to walk into a UDS session one day with one of those bluetooth headsets. [16:38] as mdz rightly said, if you're not using them, they should be in your pocked [16:38] or you look like one of the '80s yuppies [16:39] hehe, i was watching Nathan Barley last night [16:39] he wears two of them [16:39] all the time [16:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTzPnWsz20 [16:41] i have no idea if that clip has naughty words in it [16:54] dpm, call done [16:54] ready to hop on Skype? [16:54] jono, yep, let me fire it up [16:54] :-) [16:55] Technoviking, no worries - I will ping you this afternoon [16:55] jcastro, I *hate* those BT headsets [16:55] although, I do have one for my PS3 [16:56] well you're fancy Mr. California now [16:56] convertible, bt headset [16:56] you're going to end up on Entourage [17:32] jcastro, lol [17:33] thanks for the agenda czajkowski :-) [17:47] jono: no skype :( cant get natty to install, can you mobile me ? [17:55] czajkowski, will msg you [18:00] jcastro: Have you heard anything about StachExchange's plans for localisation? [18:00] nope [18:01] aw [18:08] Anyone got a recient copy of the Home page for the wiki? [18:09] or know how to revert it back [18:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HOme [18:23] any good? [18:23] ooo, no, very old [18:24] that page should _really_ be immutable [18:24] the number of times it gets deleted/changed is just stupid [18:24] heh [18:24] <--- lunch [18:24] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_VAAbWQhWHgJ:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/+https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk [18:26] hmm.. no code tho [18:26] no [18:27] i had a backup [18:27] one of the is people is trying to get backup [18:49] man, Potbelly is SOOOOO good [18:52] * czajkowski hugs jono [18:53] * popey tickles cjohnston [18:53] oops [18:53] jcastro: Sounds fattening. what is it? [18:53] * popey redirects his tickles to czajkowski [18:53] it's a sub sandwich [18:53] * popey fancies haggis tonight [18:54] there is a potbelly clone here in SF, "toaster oven" - apparently they get asked all the time whether the chains are related [18:54] * doctormo had sausages for lunch. [18:54] popey: oi cheeky bugger, no ticking ! [18:54] *tickling [19:01] * jono hugs czajkowski :-) [19:14] pleia2: Hey, did you get my email about art logs? [19:22] ummm [19:31] doctormo: yeah, haven't had a chance to think it through fully, I'll get to it after work [19:44] pleia2: thanks [20:53] jcastro: no traction at all [21:06] Is "That doesn't ring true" a valid English expression? [21:07] sense: yes [21:07] Hurray! I remembered it correctly. Thanks AlanBell! [21:08] basically means you think something is false but you might not be able to state why [21:09] AlanBell, you asked for pics of the house a couple days ago - see my facebook page - I tagged a lot of pete's so they would show up there [21:09] AlanBell: ah, ok. thanks for the clarification [21:09] thanks akgraner, looking now [21:10] I think on FB Let me tag those right quick as well [21:13] the finished article looks great! [21:14] AlanBell, just tagged about 8 more from today [21:14] I can't wait to be back in my own office instead of my parents kitchen or living room [21:18] is the new house in the same place as the old one or did it get rebuilt on the other side of the wood like Eeyore's house [21:25] where exactly is UDS-O? [21:25] AlanBell: Budapest [21:25] AlanBell: Although the wiki is deadly out of date, a tweet from a blog from news from mark says May 9th Budapest. [21:26] yeah I was looking for more exact than that [21:26] do we know the hotel? [21:26] AlanBell: hasn't been announced [21:27] ok [21:27] May 9 - 13 (it was announced last summer) [21:28] oh, no hotel yet though [21:28] doctormo: will you be doing the community sponsorship thing again? [21:29] pleia2: I hope so, do you want to help organise with me? [21:29] doctormo: yes, I can help out :) we're hoping to add it to our list of options for ubuntu-women sponsorship [21:29] maybe get more press about it this time around [21:31] pleia2: Sounds great, I have to review my kickstarter proposal and also look at the Debian team's concerns. But otherwise we should be good to make a go at it. [22:31] pleia2: akgraner Pendulum maybe this may help other women, mostly it's for my memories but it may encourage others. http://paste.ubuntu.com/556676/ [22:31] only missing natty which are done but drafts :( [22:31] * czajkowski hugs Pendulum [22:31] Pendulum: thanks for reminding me how much I used to blog [22:32] czajkowski: thanks! I'll add it to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS/Stories [22:33] sure [22:33] Karmic is the most fun as I'd never been to one [22:33] and I really feel more stuff got done in the evening as we all hung out in the massive lobby [22:34] also sitting down beside mdz and not realising who he was and ranting about ubuntu was entertaining and only knowing on the wednesday who he was [22:34] Lucid was dallas, where we went shooting and ice skating and where I got to meet more canonical folks on other teams that I never would have met or known, so that was a highlight [22:35] oh and getting elected to the loco council while I was there [22:35] pleia2: I'm horrid at blogging so don't have much UDS stuff up on mine, but I'm trying to figure out how to get stuff somewhere that you guys have it (without spamming planet, etc. with posts for things that were 3-9 months ago ;) ) [22:35] Maverick was fun as that was where the loco council kicked ass and came up with some really cool projects that came into effect like banners and new stuff, [22:35] Natty was hands on meeting loco people and listening to them [22:36] fun fun times [22:37] Pendulum: oh great, thanks :) [22:37] I'll probably be doing a retrospective blog post that discusses some of my experiences from both [22:37] *nods* [22:38] I could do that too I guess, but never really looked at it as a female attending an event tbh, so not sure I could write it that way [22:39] always me just I dunno having fun chatting to people and getting action items :) [22:41] I'm not writing it with a female slant either, there are lots more people than women who have questions about the experience [22:41] it's fun :) [22:41] yeah [22:42] I look at it all as "demystifying UDS" :) [22:43] at some poitn I want to write something that's specific to accessibility because I know I had major concerns prior to my first UDS (and they come back to a certain extent every UDS) about actual physical access [22:43] Pendulum: aye I sure even thinking about the venue and how to get there and about [22:43] which were pretty much unfounded (and the part which were problematic weren't anything that Canonical could control) [22:44] yeah. I'm worried about Budapest [22:44] Pendulum: ash cloud :) [22:44] haha [22:44] I was thinking having to have someone go around and open the door from the inside so that I could get to the auditorium in Brussels [22:44] Pendulum: ahhh yes. [22:46] and the transportation situation is rarely ideal so I generally have to make a decision on whether I go out with people and spend the extra energy on dealing with inaccessible transport or whether I stay in and miss things [22:47] * czajkowski may be heading back to Canada in July :D [22:48] Pendulum: a week of maple syrup and waffles again :D [22:48] haha [22:48] I think maple syrup is the only real reason you come to North America ever :P [22:48] :D [22:49] and crispy bacon [22:49] Pendulum: aye tc and cox are on the planning stages :D We've found July to be free [22:49] Pendulum: ohh sooo much bacon smothered in syrup. [22:49] czajkowski: so Canada in July and then rugby world cup? [22:50] cup may not happen :s [22:50] :( [22:50] mmm... maple syrup [22:51] Pendulum: aye Cox and tc cant make it [22:55] pleia2: I knew I drank more in Belgium than in Orlando, but your blog is reminding me exactly how much more [22:55] I think I'd blocked some of it from my memory [22:56] Pendulum: haha, yeah, there was beer everywhere in Brussels [22:56] and I didn't even link http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2996 [22:58] hehe, I still remember the green beer ☺ [22:58] so do I [22:58] I remember the mess on Daviey [22:58] I still tease Daviey about the famboise he spilled on me [22:58] JanC: ohh 2 more weeks and we shall be there again :D [22:58] *framboise [23:00] I guess it was one of the "new style" sweetened framboises, so very sticky? ;) [23:01] JanC: yes. not so fun :( [23:01] maybe that's why I prefer "old style" unsweetened kriek/framboise/etc. [23:01] ;) [23:01] BANANA BEER! [23:01] Mongozo ? [23:01] or real banana beer? [23:01] no idea what it's call [23:01] I know it's only served down stairs in delerium [23:02] probably Mongozo [23:03] "banana beer" is just fermented bananas, and AFAIK you can only buy it in Matongo (the "Congolese/African quarter" in Brussels) [23:03] so damn tasty [23:04] ring ring ring, Banana Beer! [23:04] 4 days of beer and chocolate [23:05] I may need to be in the gym every night this week to make up for it [23:05] I'll try to remember to get some chocolate at the booth this year ;) [23:06] czajkowski: there also exists sugarless chocolate ;) [23:06] not sure how it tastes though [23:07] JanC: nooo I want the real stuff [23:07] shall go to the chocolate shop I go to and stock up on a lot of yummy white chocci [23:08] maybe you should go to a wholesale shop and buy 5kg blocks :P [23:09] eh no [23:09] tis like my logic with syrup [23:09] it's a treat [23:09] any more and then it's not good [23:09] so I only have oddles of syrup while stateside [23:09] :D [23:09] and canada [23:10] czajkowski: and you did in Brussels [23:10] hehe, like when you work in a chocolate or cookie factory, they let you eat as much of it as you want [23:10] we really should have filmed popey trying the bacon & syrup [23:10] most people can't *see* cookies/chocolate outside of their job anymore ;) [23:11] Pendulum: aye a little, but not every day [23:11] not like orlando :D [23:11] crispy goodness smothered in it [23:11] I have been dieting too long because I actually am finding more foods that I used to love that even the idea makes me feel a little ill [23:11] heart attack waiting to happen [23:36] czajkowski, thanks! Where do you find the time? [23:37] * akgraner can't blog my way out of a paperbag right now [23:41] akgraner: I've a few in draft [23:41] hoping to get a few out over the next few days [23:41] but now planning holiday in July with 2 of my girlies :D CANNOT_WAIT [23:42] czajkowski, nice... [23:43] Writing all week for work, makes doing it for fun not so fun all the time :-) but I am hoping soon I blog on my personal blog again soon [23:44] akgraner: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/01/05/ubuntu-women-project-growing-in-strength/ [23:45] czajkowski, me reads now brb [23:48] nice write up... [23:48] :-) [23:49] yeah stumbled upon that [23:49] kinda nice to go over some stuff