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ali1234uh... like demon you mean?00:00
hamitronali1234: hehe00:00
hamitronthey have a paki support line00:00
ali1234helpdesk is useless but email seems to work00:00
hamitron;/00:00
HazRPG^^, not quite00:00
hamitronaccording to the webby, business users have UK telephone support00:00
HazRPGwe get internet speeds years after everyone else has been updated, and some places of cumbria are still on dial-up to this date T_T00:00
ali1234there are technical reasons for that00:01
* hamitron can vouch for that00:01
HazRPGyeah I agree, but its mainly the companies just don't want to invest in it00:01
ali1234rural telephone exchanges use digital multiplexing which is not compatible with DSL00:01
hamitronannoys me when people moan about 3mbit speeds00:02
hamitrongrrrrrrr00:02
ali1234a village with 10 hourses might only have 3 physical phone lines00:02
ali1234*houses00:02
ali1234not horses00:02
hamitronomfg00:03
ali1234so when 1 person gets broadband they have to lay a whole new cable over like 10 miles which costs loads00:03
HazRPGEgypt has finally upgrade their infrastructure to get at least 256Kbps to people... why can't we? (a first-world country)00:03
hamitronI got 3mbit!00:03
* hamitron does a back flip00:03
ali1234HazRPG: cairo maybe, not "the middle of nowhere"00:03
hamitronrest have mud huts and get shot if they complain00:04
hamitron;)00:04
ali1234i bet the situation there is no different, really00:04
hamitronand they are the lucky ones00:04
ali1234i doubt it's quite that bad00:04
HazRPGmy granddad's (RIP) farm just got it recently00:04
hamitronthe US has 56k users...00:05
HazRPGand that's MILES away from any city00:05
HazRPGhamitron: yeah but in all fairness they have more ground to cover though :P00:05
ali1234distance doesn't matter if there is no multiplexing00:05
ali1234it's about the number of cables in the ground00:05
HazRPGheh yeah I know00:06
ali1234they could give 1/4 of rural users fast DSL if they cut off the other 3/4...00:06
hamitron3dB SNR is not good I assume? ;/00:06
ali1234because the digital multiplexer puts three phonelines on 1 cable00:06
ali1234what they actually do is shuffle the lines around when someone cancels00:07
ali1234*4 on 1, not 300:07
hamitron3 in 4?00:08
hamitronreckon cutting all the facebook users off would work then00:08
ali12344 in 100:08
hamitroncut 3 in 4 off I mean00:08
hamitron;)00:08
ali1234the mux unit works the same way as a DSL modem00:08
hamitronoh ali00:09
HazRPGI think I've started something here...00:09
hamitronbtw, did you sort that image processing out?00:09
ali1234well i figured out it isn't linear00:09
ali1234i never figured out if it has a name00:10
hamitrondid you code it?00:10
ali1234um. yes?00:10
HazRPGanyways, point was... I want reliable signal at home and places I visit, and going with a contract is just daft because circumstances change (for anyone) and they get stuck into a contract they hate.00:10
ali1234i coded it before i even asked00:10
hamitronwhat was the result like?00:10
ali1234dunno, i'm not actually using it on "images"00:10
hamitronk :)00:11
hamitronHazRPG: didn't you get a cheap phone?00:11
hamitrona friend of mine has 6 contracts, just for the gifts he can't afford :/00:11
HazRPGhamitron: it was a Nokia 6220 Classic00:11
HazRPGhamitron: so yeah00:12
HazRPGI now have a Google (HTC) Nexus One00:12
HazRPGbut I bought that out-right00:12
hamitron:)00:12
hamitronI wonder how hard it is to build a phone00:12
HazRPGthat was the first contract phone I've ever gotten... and will be my last... not use to having locked phones :/00:13
HazRPGhamitron: don't think its that hard, there are open-sourced PCB's with schematics n stuff that you can follow to make one00:13
ali1234pretty hard to build a good one00:13
ali1234even harder to get the software to work right00:13
HazRPGthere are open-sourced ones that work00:14
ali1234yeah but assuming you want a phone that *doesn't* look like a ball of wires00:14
hamitronI don't mind how it looks00:14
hamitron:)00:14
hamitronif it looks like an amature bomb, all the better00:14
HazRPGhaha00:14
ali1234http://www.todayandtomorrow.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/googlephone.jpg00:15
HazRPGI can't seem to find the ones I looked at anymore :/00:15
HazRPGtyping in open-source phone/mobile seems to pop up with android stuff :/00:15
hamitronI want the first portable phone with a breadboard included00:15
HazRPGhamitron: haha00:15
hamitronthat would be so geeky, it is cool00:16
hamitron"short pins 4 and 5 for silent mode"00:16
HazRPGhttp://www.opencircuits.com/Open_Mobile_Gadgets00:16
HazRPGthat might help get you started dude00:17
hamitronoh ffs00:17
hamitrondon't encourage me00:17
hamitron:/00:17
hamitronI don't want to be single forever00:17
hamitron;)00:17
HazRPGI use to go on there to build stupid stuff with parts I have lying around ^^00:17
HazRPGhamitron: haha oops00:17
ali1234all these "open" phones use off the shelf gsm modules00:18
HazRPGheh, I've given up on relationships for the time being :/ too much hassle sometimes00:18
hamitrontbh, my idea was to use such parts ali123400:18
hamitron:)00:18
hamitronnot intending to work everything out00:18
HazRPGali1234: well you'd have to... how else you going to talk with the mobile-masts ?00:19
ali1234gnuradio and custom gsm firmware, duh00:19
ali1234http://gnuradio.org/redmine/wiki/gnuradio00:19
ali1234good luck making a portable one though00:19
ali1234http://gnuradio.org/redmine/wiki/1/OpenBTS - make your own base station00:20
hamitronali goes all the way00:21
hamitron:)00:21
HazRPGhaha00:21
hamitronnot happy to talk with others, he talks to himself...00:21
hamitron;)00:22
HazRPG;p00:22
directhexhimself and RMS00:22
ali1234note that it can use asterisk to forward your calls00:22
directhexi'd probably jump off a cliff at that point00:22
HazRPGwhy do I keep thinking RMS stands for Royal Mail Ship :/00:23
ali1234it stands for root mean squared...00:23
HazRPGhaha00:24
hamitronI don't get how RMS relates :/00:25
HazRPGhamitron: this is what you want: http://www.opencellphone.org/index.php?title=Main_Page00:25
hamitronawww guys00:34
hamitronI dunno if I can buy another phone00:35
hamitron:/00:35
hamitronwho needs to waste £400 on a PSP phone00:35
hamitron\o/00:35
HazRPGlol00:44
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edwardteachtuxxy, how do you get a shellium account ?01:10
edwardteachmarvellous01:13
hamitroncan't you just sign up?01:14
edwardteachno well last time i looked you have to do something silly like post yourself on youtube  dancing01:17
hamitron:)01:18
hamitrondid you?01:18
hamitron;/01:18
HazRPGwhy not ask #shellium on freenode ?01:18
edwardteachno i dont do dancing01:18
HazRPGI'm guessing you mean shellium.org right?01:19
HazRPGstraight out the FAQ:01:20
HazRPGWhy can't I login to the shell?01:20
HazRPGBecasue you haven't come into the #shellium on freenode to get your shell account activated. Registering gets you access to the site and shell but we like to speak with your shortly before we give you full access to our shell.01:20
HazRPGedwardteach: I just made an account on shellium with no problems01:25
HazRPGjust make one on the site01:25
edwardteachyeah it was a while ago ..    was a whim   when i first used telnet etc ..01:25
HazRPGand talk to the people @ #shellium01:26
HazRPGah lol01:26
hamitrondon't you get an email first?01:26
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HazRPGwho's channel flooding?06:50
AlanBellmorning all08:02
HazRPGhowdy08:03
screen-xmorning :)08:13
HazRPGevening ^^08:14
screen-xoh dear, not been to sleep yet HazRPG?08:14
HazRPGnopes08:15
HazRPGI'm currently doing the night-shift (sorta) heh08:15
HazRPGlove working from home xD08:15
screen-xhave you seen the oatmeal on working from home?08:15
AlanBellyay, openERP 6 just got released08:24
HazRPGscreen-x: nope...08:34
daubersMorning08:35
dutchieHazRPG: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home08:35
dutchiehi daubers08:35
daubersAnyone know a good hitman?08:36
czajkowskiAloha08:39
DJonesMorning folks08:43
dauberso/08:43
danfishmorning08:44
danfishdaubers: that sounds ominous08:44
DJonesdaubers: The only hitman I can think of is Brett "The Hitman" Hart, he was a decent hitman in a wrestling entertainment sort of way08:44
daubersdanfish: Smug distributor I really want to give a good kicking because he expects me to fix bugs in blasted Windows08:46
danfishfully understandable then. Send him a stale cake as a warning?08:48
TheOpenSourcererMorning all.08:50
HazRPGevening08:51
screen-xdaubers: I did have a good hitman, but he's retired now.09:13
bigcalmHi peeps09:16
* DJones wonders what the definition of a "good hitman" is, is one that carries out the hit successfully, one that refuses to do the hit because its morally wrong, or one that goes to confession afterwards09:23
MartijnVdSDJones: ah, the old "quality vs quantity" debate :)09:25
freckleDaveMorris: the second option is not a hitman at all09:28
freckleAnyway I prefer Micheala Strachan to The Hitman09:29
DaveMorrisfreckle: that seemed kinda weird poping up on my screen09:29
DJonesHeh09:30
HazRPGdutchie: argh! Now I've started doing exactly like what those pictures show xD09:31
MartijnVdSfreckle: you want The Professional :)09:31
freckle:)09:32
MartijnVdSdon't forget to buy him some milk09:33
ZMomorning09:34
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DJonesHi ZMo09:35
gordmorning all09:44
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diplomorning all09:52
screen-xaccording to NUT my UPS input voltage is 229, and the output voltage is 30940, that's quite some transforming its doing..10:01
Silver_Fox_Hello.10:06
MartijnVdS30kV.. nice :)10:14
DJonesAlanBell: TheOpenSourcerer Any interest to you? http://www.kable.co.uk/local-government-minimising-spending-good-enough-socitm-21jan1110:33
gordi really shouldn't of enabled this talking alarm clock thing on my phone, it just puts me in a bad mood when i wake up to it telling me its gonna be -3 in the uk all day :(10:48
kaushalis there a way like notifier in ubuntu 10.10 for gmail wherein i get notified about the answer for the email sent by me ?10:48
kaushalsince my gmail account is bombarded with 1000 emails10:48
MartijnVdSLiving without an alarm clock++10:48
MartijnVdSkaushal: filter away the messages into folders (tags..) in gmail.. have your inbox be empty except for useful mail :)10:49
HazRPGheh, I do that10:50
HazRPGI even made a special spam filter of my own for stuff I might read when bored10:51
HazRPGusually offers from sites I frequent, and like to glance over10:51
HazRPGand if I see nothing, rm all from box xD10:51
HazRPG(or label/tag)10:51
HazRPGwhy google didn't just call them folders is beyond me :/10:52
HazRPGsince most people don't realise that folders are in fact just special files xD10:52
davmor2morning all11:04
popeylo11:04
davmor2popey: don't you mean "E lo"11:06
popeyhaha11:07
DJonesdavmor2: Thanks for that, I've now got the "Mr Blue Sky" tune rattling round my head11:08
brobostigonmorning all.11:08
Myrttiho-hum11:09
AlanBellhi Myrtti, feeling better?11:10
brobostigonmorning Myrtti11:10
davmor2DJones: could be worse you could have greyson chances version of paparazzi in you head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDlC7YV5is11:10
MyrttiAlanBell: neck feels better, however due to family issues messing up my head I'm on sickleave11:10
Myrttiso: ho-hum11:11
davmor2Myrtti: :(11:11
Myrttiin other news: http://www.urbanears.com/category/plattan11:11
Myrttino pink ones in stock :-<11:11
* davmor2 prods czajkowski to see if she managed to find her missing lung11:11
* czajkowski stabs davmor2 oi no prodding 11:12
davmor2czajkowski: :P how you doing11:12
czajkowskigood bit better thanks11:13
davmor2czajkowski: find your lung in the end?11:14
czajkowskiyeah once I woke at 511:14
screen-x\o/ replacement rack rails arrived11:57
screen-x /o\ they are exactly the same as the originals and still don't fit11:57
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danfishscreen-x: definitely Hammer Time ;)12:43
bigcalmStop?12:44
MartijnVdSHALT12:47
davmor2bigcalm: Hammer Time12:48
bigcalmHumm13:27
bigcalmDoes Seesaw not work in Chrome on Ubuntu?13:27
bigcalmJust says "missing plugin" but doesn't say which one13:27
bigcalmpopey: mind if I mess about on your server for a while?13:30
directhexbigcalm, works here13:30
popeyfeel free13:30
bigcalmYay13:30
popeywant me to reset the map and op you?13:30
* bigcalm burns everything13:30
bigcalmI have no idea what being an op would do for me13:31
popeyyou can give yourself any item13:31
popeyto play with13:31
popeye.g. TNT13:31
bigcalmAnd isn't the point of a server to jointly build stuff?13:31
bigcalmAh, that's cheating :)13:31
popeyor dick about :)13:31
popeyit's not a map I am emotionally attached to13:31
popeyothers already blew up the spawn point last night13:31
popeyso when you spawn you fall :)13:32
bigcalmI wondered why I spawned under water13:32
popeyshall I restart it with a new clean map?13:32
popeyuncheated upon?13:32
bigcalmGo on then13:32
popeyok, logout13:32
bigcalmDone13:32
bigcalmdirecthex: works now, how odd13:33
popeydone13:35
popeybigcalm: server is up, no cheating :)13:39
bigcalmTa :)13:39
popeybigcalm: just gave you a saddle :)13:49
popeyyou can ride pigs with it13:49
exobuzzwhat game are you playing ?13:49
popeyminecraft13:50
exobuzzoh. dont know it13:51
MyrttiI just showed minecraft to dsample yesterday and he was all like "huh, and this is supposed to be fun?"13:51
bigcalmpopey: I wondered why I just had a saddle. Ta :)13:52
bigcalmMyrtti: Looks aren't everything are they?  :)13:53
andylockranhey guys! afternoon.14:00
andylockranNeed to write a script to trigger phone calls if email receieved to a certain address..  got asterisk setup to do the call handling.  Just wondering if anyone could give me a push in the right direction regarding 'best practise' for these kind of things?14:01
popeyMyrtti: it's a question of taste :)14:04
seekerMmm...taste14:06
bigcalmMud house built close to spawn point. Will do for now14:07
popeyMmm...seeker14:07
* DJones tastes a fruit pastille14:07
popey\o/ mud14:07
seekerHai Popey14:07
bigcalmThough no lights yet. I'm afraid of the dark!14:07
gordi managed to log into minecraft last night, i found *white* tree's14:08
gordit blew my mind14:08
bigcalmSilver birch by the looks of it14:08
popeyyeah14:09
popeyand black sheep14:09
bigcalmThe logs can't be stacked with original logs, but they yeld the same wood14:09
popeyand octopi14:09
popeyand fish!14:10
popeyand dye!14:10
popeylots of new stuff14:10
popeyhttp://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/3/32/Template1.png14:10
gordcan't find any squid, its annoying, they seem to only spawn in newly generated areas14:10
popeyyeah14:11
popeyyou have to go for a wander to generate a new map14:11
gordthinking about just throwing all my iron/diamond/tools into lava, walking forward till i find somewhere interesting and starting again some time14:13
MartijnVdSgord: rm -rf! rm -rf!14:13
MartijnVdSgord: save yourself!14:13
gordyou have confused me14:13
MartijnVdSgord: Minecrack addiction intervention team, standing by :)14:14
popeyi just removed the map14:14
popeyand it created a nice new one14:14
popeyalso http://popeydc.dyndns.org/ <- automagically generating maps :)14:14
gordi play on a server with other people, don't think they would like that14:14
popeyheh14:14
gordhttp://gordallott.com/img/minecraft.png <- automagically generating map with day/night transition ;)14:14
popeywhat do you use for that?14:15
gorderr i'm not sure, mc something14:15
gordlemme check14:15
gordmcmap :) has a git repo so you can build from there and just use a script + cron to generate and change to night14:16
* popey fiddles with the one he uses14:17
gordthere was another utility i used with it as well, it was awesome. it got the terrain biome colours into mcmap - very pretty, but it screwed up the saves :(14:19
gordhttp://gordallott.com/img/history/history-1295553601.png looks like that during the day14:19
* popey tries mcmap14:21
popeydutchie would like mcmap14:22
popeyg++ -O3 -c -Wall -fomit-frame-pointer -pedantic -DWITHPNG -I/usr/local/include main.cpp -o main.default.o14:22
czajkowski▞▀▖▌  ▞▀▖▌ ▌▞▀▖14:22
czajkowski▙▄▌▌  ▌ ▌▙▄▌▙▄▌14:22
czajkowski▌ ▌▌  ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌14:22
czajkowski▘ ▘▀▀▘▝▀ ▘ ▘▘ ▘14:22
popey -pedantic14:22
* popey jumps14:22
gordi heard that eventually portals will link servers, we can link up then :)14:22
bigcalmYikes!14:22
czajkowskiamazing what rest will do for you14:22
* davmor2 prods czajkowski to judge how well she really is14:22
* czajkowski hugs davmor2 14:23
davmor2everyone down down south call the paramedics now there's something really wrong with czajkowski14:23
andylockrandefinitely..14:25
davmor2czajkowski: I take it you're feeling something near human again then :)14:27
czajkowskiyeah14:27
popeygord: seems no way to tell mcmap where to save the output file?14:27
popeyit just dumps output.png in the current dir?14:27
gordpopey, seems so, i just move the files in my script14:28
popeyok14:28
popeywill do that14:28
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: did you manage to get everything transferred in the end I forgot to ask you yesterday?14:28
gordthere are other map software's that do a cool google maps zooming in/out thingy, but i never figured them out14:28
gordmy world isn't big enough anyway14:29
popeyhttp://popeydc.dyndns.org/14:31
popeyyay14:31
popeythanks gord14:31
gord:) you got some weird chunks there14:31
popeyyeah14:31
popeyi blame bigcalm14:31
* bigcalm looks up14:31
* bigcalm ponders a mote of water or lava14:33
exobuzzerm. so this game. you build a world. and then what ?14:33
exobuzzthe website has very little info14:33
bigcalmexobuzz: have a look on youtube for some videos14:33
bigcalmThere are lots14:34
ali1234you punch trees14:34
gordexobuzz, lego.14:34
gordits lego14:34
gordits not a game, its lego in a dynamic changing world14:35
exobuzzok.14:35
popeywith zombies14:35
popeyit's under development so stuff changes14:35
gordand skeletons that sometimes ride giant spiders14:35
popeyhttp://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki is worth a look14:35
gordonly saw that once... live in fear now that spiders climb walls14:35
exobuzzit sounds like the sort of game i should avoid, in case i like it. i mean i dont have time to fix my leanto, let alone build some virtual world out of blocks]14:36
exobuzz:)14:36
DJonesSTOP THE PRESSES... Aliens discovered in downing street, Unicorn found in field in Wales, Duke Nukem Forever given release date.  Which of those three is the most likely14:37
gordexobuzz, no, you don't have time to do real world things because you are so busy in minecraft, not other way around14:37
MartijnVdSDJones: Next time, lock your TARDIS14:37
exobuzzgord, that was my point, hence i should avoid it :)14:37
seekerDJones: The 2nd one14:37
popeyexobuzz: its fun!14:38
DJonesHeh14:38
seeker3rd may btw :P14:38
popeymy kids _love_ it14:38
exobuzzive not even played the humble indie bundle 1 yet.14:38
exobuzzheh14:38
gordi'v seen people with families hosting tiny private servers and they all play together, its adorable14:38
exobuzzit looks like a nice idea though for sure14:38
TheOpenSourcererdavmor2: Yes, thankyou. I ended up using lftp but it works.14:41
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: that's all that matters :)14:42
TheOpenSourcererIt's still a bit cludgy... There's no way I could find to get it to do a "silent" mkdir: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556533/14:45
* hamitron has his giffgaff15:01
popey:)15:01
hamitronty pops15:01
hamitron:)15:01
popeyno, ty15:01
hamitronso now I can spend ages considering if I should transfer my number15:01
hamitron:/15:01
hamitrontempted to not, then use this as a testing sim15:02
popeythats what I did15:02
popeyi received a call on my giffgaff phone yesterday15:02
popeynobody knows the number15:03
popeyprobably automated spam15:03
hamitron:(15:03
kazadeI've just totally reinstalled Ubuntu, installed all my apps, restored my Evolution backup, connected to U1 and back ready to work in just over 30 minutes... that's crazy15:03
seekerGiffgaff?15:03
hamitronbe silly to phone me, I never answer15:03
hamitron;)15:03
popeyseeker: http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/popey15:03
popey:)15:03
hamitrontempted :/ http://www.sparkfun.com/products/953315:05
DJonespopey: Could have been a reused number, I've had that in the past15:08
hamitronphone the caller yourself and demand they stop in an abusive manner15:09
hamitronthat normally stops it15:10
hamitronbut popey is maybe too nice ;)15:11
popey:)15:13
gordpopey, unlimited data for 15 a month? really unlimited?15:16
diploheh my exact question to..! tempted as it runs on o2 network which i like15:17
diploIs unlimited really unlimited?15:18
diploThe answer is yes, we are unlimited for personal mobile use - but not for commercial and automated use. Mobile Internet allowances exclude PC use and tethering.15:18
gordhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/jumpordie/5375065392/ <-- made in inkscape, not a photo15:18
popeygord: apparently15:19
hamitronhow can they know you are not using it for "pc use"?15:19
gordinteresting, might make for a good sim for my netbook15:19
diplogord, thats bloody amazing really15:21
hamitron"I took my sim out of my phone, popped it into this, and after I loaded up hyperterm it said "RING RING RING" and I missed a call from my girlfriend :( This thing is pretty cool though." hehe15:22
hamitronI reckon I may not transfer my number thinking about it15:23
hamitronideal for just playing with15:23
Myrttithat does look good, I wonder if it would be a better deal than the 3 prepaid that I occasionally use in UK15:27
popeygord: not allowed15:28
popeygord: explicitly not allowed to use it in a pc / dongle or for tethering15:29
gordi'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to tell the difference ;) hell my netbook runs android! but i don't want to be an arse about it, i'm sure they have realistic (too much data usage) reasons for it15:30
hamitronwhat about using this? http://www.sparkfun.com/products/934215:31
hamitrontechnically attached to a pc, but I wouldn't be using it for data15:31
* bigcalm takes a break from the addition15:42
bigcalmaddiction15:42
eaxHi there - How can I change the login-screen of Ubuntu 10.10? There is no way to change it through the Login-screen from System->Administration->Login Screen15:55
Azelphureax: it uses a gnome theme and a wallpaper15:57
Azelphurfail15:57
Azelphureax: it uses a gnome theme and a wallpaper15:57
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eaxOkay, so how can I change it?15:57
Azelphursome funky command, I'll try and ifnd it15:58
Azelphureax: gksu -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties15:58
eaxOkay thanks :)15:59
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eaxHmm, nothing happens when I run it :S15:59
eaxIt askses for a password and then immediatly shuts down16:00
Azelphur:S16:01
eaxYeah :/16:01
* Azelphur looks some more16:01
andylockranargh, this is fun16:02
eaxThanks :)16:02
andylockranwriting an asterisk function that upon receipt of an email calls all the people required for the conference.16:03
ali1234how are you going to prevent it from getting massively spammed?16:04
Azelphureax: http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9748001&postcount=216:05
andylockranali1234: the email must contain a secret :p16:05
eaxThanks!16:05
seekerLike "andylockran wears womens underwear"16:08
andylockranbrilliant.. now my conference calls are going off left, right and centre16:18
andylockranshorten 'to take advantage of' to one word.. exploit16:19
Azelphurgiffgaff activated :D16:26
hamitronI shall take my time to do that, just like I do with everything else ;)16:28
Azelphurhehe16:28
hamitronannoyingly, I am 1 sata cable short :/16:29
Azelphurspeedtest.net results are good :D16:29
Azelphur4.3mbps down, 1.6mbps up16:29
hamitron3G?16:30
Azelphurhsdpa16:30
hamitronwhat speed is 2G?16:30
hamitron;/16:30
diploheh better than my internet connection here at work16:30
diplo:D16:30
Azelphurnot sure16:30
hamitronjust wondered a typical speed16:30
hamitronmy phone only has 3.6Mb memory... but still good to know16:31
hamitron;)16:31
Azelphurhamitron: 16GB Class 6 MicroSD, 1.5GB Built in :P16:33
hamitron:)16:33
hamitronI maybe have 1Gb MMC somewhere...16:33
hamitronwill look16:33
hamitronnot now though16:33
Azelphurhamitron: owait, 512MB RAM, 1.5GB Storage, 16GB Class 6 MicroSD :P16:36
hamitronare you lacking something in your pants? bragging about a phone ffs ;)16:37
Azelphur:D16:37
hamitronbut yeh, it is nice16:37
hamitron:/16:37
AzelphurI can play playstation games on it too16:37
hamitronthat is nice16:38
Azelphurhamitron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_Nur_3JJw&feature=feedu16:39
Azelphurmusic on the video is aptly named, "Android Porn" :P16:39
hamitronAzelphur: I am not 128k internet atm ;/16:42
hamitronon*16:42
hamitronstruggling to load pictures, nvm vids16:42
Azelphur:(16:42
Azelphurah, not having VOIP blocked on my phone is awesome16:43
hamitronit isn't on giffgaff?16:43
Azelphurindeed16:45
hamitronnice16:45
hamitronI am tempted with this kit: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/47916:45
hamitronthen maybe an arduino16:46
hamitronstarting to cost as much as a phone though16:47
seekerCan Azelphur run an arduino without blowing it up yet?16:47
hamitronhaha16:47
Azelphurnope16:47
Azelphur:(16:47
hamitronoh yeh, I better not encourage him16:47
hamitron;)16:47
seekerFail :P16:47
hamitrontbh, I never used one ;/16:48
hamitronI've used some PIC devices16:48
hamitronbut nothing with a USB interface16:49
hamitronso i may do the same :))16:49
HazRPGquestion, can you get pidgin 2.7.9 for ubuntu 9.10 at all?16:52
HazRPGcos someone can't physically update to 10.10 or 10.04 due to driver support for his video card being dropped16:53
hamitronif it isn't that newer version, have you looked on launchpad, or pidgin.im?16:55
HazRPGthe newest on pidgin.im 2.7.9, but only works on 10.04/1016:56
andylockrananyone got tips on how to use wolframalpha?16:56
X3Nandylockran: with low expectations?16:57
HazRPGas far as I can see 2.6.6 is the last version for 9.1016:57
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HazRPGbut I was just wondering if there was a way to get it to work on 9.1016:58
HazRPGthink there's a way of getting a "matrox p750" graphics card to work on ubuntu 10.1017:01
hamitronHazRPG: 32 bit?17:06
HazRPGI think so yeah17:09
hamitronthe advice I've been given is to buy another graphics card17:09
hamitron;)17:09
HazRPGheh, yeah that's what I said ^^,17:10
hamitronshame on you17:10
hamitronI've never give out that advice17:10
hamitron;/17:10
hamitronI'd*17:11
hamitronmy English sucks today17:11
HazRPGconsidering that support has been quit for that card years ago...17:11
hamitronso?17:11
hamitronif linux left support in for older hardware, it would grab more users ;)17:12
HazRPGah, see that's were the problem lies17:12
HazRPGthe drivers for that card are binary drivers17:12
HazRPGand are proprietary17:12
HazRPGso unless someone codes for it, its not gonna exist any longer17:13
hamitronguess it depends why the drivers won't work then17:13
hamitronnvidia 71 drivers don't work with newer versions of X.org, because of changes to how things are done17:13
HazRPGsupport was taken out from the latest (10.04/10) xorg apparently17:14
HazRPGshocker ;p17:14
hamitronsupport for most of mine stopped in 8.0417:14
hamitron:/17:14
hamitronwell, 8.1017:14
hamitronI can use 8.0417:15
hamitron:)17:15
HazRPGif you think about it, such hardware support has stopped for windows too though... so you can't really blame linux17:15
HazRPGor its coders17:15
hamitronI blame the throw away culture17:15
HazRPGif a company no longer want to make drivers for it - or doesn't want to update, then its not going to happen unless many people want it back17:16
HazRPGhamitron: agreed :/17:16
hamitronI don't hold anyone responsible17:16
hamitron:)17:16
hamitronalthough, nvidia could make life easier, by providing tech docs for they unsupported cards17:17
HazRPGagreed!17:17
hamitronto be fair to them, they still patch the old drivers to work with newer kernels17:17
HazRPGif all companies did that... we'd be laughing!17:17
hamitronbut ofc, they can't re-write huge parts of an old driver, just because X.org changed how it does things17:18
hamitronwell, they can, but can't be expected to :)17:18
HazRPGofc17:25
hamitron!gcc17:33
lubotu3Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)17:33
hamitron!version17:33
lubotu3To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy <package> »17:33
hamitronHazRPG:17:35
hamitronif you could use an older kernel, it may work17:35
hamitronftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2009/1.4.7/readme.txt see section 217:35
* MartijnVdS needs to stop buying bad 80s records18:17
* hamitron smacks MartijnVdS over the head with the Adam Ant record that was just delivered18:19
mgdmMartijnVdS: Agadoo?18:20
MartijnVdSmgdm: Wham :(18:21
mgdm/o\18:22
MartijnVdSmgdm: something to fill up the 1-for-€1-3-for-€2,50 set of 318:22
MartijnVdSI saw 3 12" singles of "Never gonna give you up" as well18:22
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mgdm:|18:23
MartijnVdSI'm considering buying one to troll people18:23
MartijnVdSthey were near-mint18:23
hamitronbbl, grub time \o/18:24
davmor2MartijnVdS: You missed out on a treat you could rickroll people via jpeg18:26
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I prefer the "birthday present" route18:26
MartijnVdSmgdm: I got Joshua Tree to compensate18:26
MartijnVdSand Equinoxe18:26
mgdmI don't know Equinoxe18:27
davmor2MartijnVdS: Yeah but then there is the opportunity to get rickrolled back by on your birthday18:27
mgdmRickroll ping pong?18:27
MartijnVdSdavmor2: what if it's a guilty pleasure? :)18:28
popeyMartijnVdS: JMJ?18:29
daubersEvening18:29
popeyEquinoxe Pt 518:30
popeylove it18:30
* popey adds it to spotify18:30
X3Nhave a good w/e all18:30
popeyo/18:30
davmor2MartijnVdS: then you need to get a life for a start ;)  Nothing wrong with the ging of soul18:33
MartijnVdSpopey: Jarre, yes :)18:35
MartijnVdSdavmor2: 8-)18:35
davmor2popey: you see the china tour iirc18:35
popeyhmm?18:36
popeyI saw JMJ at London Docklands - Revolution18:37
popeyin ~1989 ish18:37
popeyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_(Jean_Michel_Jarre_album)18:37
popeyclose18:37
popey198818:37
MartijnVdScool18:41
popeymore "wet" than "cool" :)18:42
MartijnVdSI love the art on Equinoxe and Oxygene18:42
popeyyeah18:43
MartijnVdSstill looking for Rendez-Vous.. that one wasn't released in the Netherlands it seems :/18:43
MartijnVdSdiscogs marketplace to the rescue ;)18:44
popeyuhoh uh oh...18:44
popeyyou got me thinking of Zoolook18:44
popeywhich had music in an Amiga game...18:44
popeythe name escapes me18:44
popeycaptain blood!18:44
popeyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Blood_(video_game)18:44
MartijnVdSpopey: you were one of those people running around "I have an Amiga", not knowing what "Amiga" means in Spanish? :P18:45
popeyI never had an Amiga18:46
popeywe were too poor18:46
* MartijnVdS was too young.. and my dad worked in IT, so we got a PC-XT-clone18:46
MartijnVdSin the mid-80s18:46
popeyInfogrames were awesome18:46
MartijnVdSNo sound for u!18:46
popeythey made some real special games18:46
MartijnVdSI've played some Infogrames games.. they are/were a French company18:46
popeySapiens was a bit special18:47
popeyoh no that was Loriciels18:47
popeyalso french18:47
MartijnVdSthe original Alone in the Dark series18:47
popeyyeah!18:48
popeythey were great18:48
MartijnVdSLoriciel had weird games18:48
popeyi used to watch the titles over and over18:48
popeythere was one with a particle acclerator accident or something?18:48
popeythat transported him away to a pool on a remote planet18:48
ali1234another world18:48
MartijnVdSI never understood the story behind AitD.. just that it was HARD18:49
MartijnVdSone wrong move - dead18:49
ali1234another world is probably the hardest game ever18:49
popeythats it!18:49
ali1234flashback is a better game and slightly less punishing18:49
MartijnVdSali1234: I prefer the Half Life series for my particle accelerator accidents :P18:50
popeyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA2Gb3nnjYY18:50
ali1234even today i cannot get past the first 3 screen of another world, even with a walkthrough and videos showing exactly what to do18:50
popeyheh18:50
MartijnVdSI played Little Big Planet (another French product :)) a lot18:51
MartijnVdSno wait18:51
MartijnVdSAdventure :)18:51
directhexflashback is evil18:51
MartijnVdSPlanet is the PS3 game :)18:51
directhexMartijnVdS, my cousin made that18:51
MartijnVdShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big_Adventure18:51
MartijnVdSdirecthex: all of it?18:51
directhexMartijnVdS, well, his company made it18:51
MartijnVdSdirecthex: Adeline / Delphine18:51
directhexdirecthex, adeline18:52
MartijnVdSThat logo.. in high-res 640x480x8bit18:52
MartijnVdSmemories! :)18:52
directhexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A9d%C3%A9rick_Raynal18:52
MartijnVdSso it runs in the family then? :)18:54
directhexwell, family by marriage. but still!18:58
andylockrangah, I forget the words sometimes.19:13
MartijnVdSandylockran: "expelliarmus"19:14
Azelphurpopey: rofl19:14
Azelphurhow much ram and what type did you order?19:14
MartijnVdS"a lot" apparently19:17
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Azelphurindeed19:19
AzelphurI see 8 packs of 2 chips19:19
Azelphureach pack is 2x2, so 32GB total19:19
Azelphurwonder what type19:19
MartijnVdSI guess he wnated 8x119:19
Azelphuro.O19:20
MartijnVdS8x1 chip instead of 8x219:20
MartijnVdSeasy mistake to make :)19:20
MartijnVdSI've ordered SO-DIMM instead of "regular" DIMM once :\19:21
Azelphurhehe19:22
MartijnVdSAzelphur: not that useful when you're building a new PC :)19:24
Azelphurindeed19:24
Azelphur229MB/sec average read on my SSD with disk utility :)19:24
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: there are RAM manufacturers which will tell you what you need to get based on the motherboard type.19:24
MartijnVdSAzelphur: what kind of ssd?19:24
Azelphurcorsair F40GB219:24
MartijnVdSdwatkins: I knew what kind I needed.. some sort of DDR3 of some speed19:25
dwatkinsah ok, MartijnVdS19:25
MartijnVdSdwatkins: but there's this price comparision site in .nl.. and you can select all kinds of details19:25
MartijnVdSdwatkins: but I overlooked the "dimm/so-dimm" toggle  :)19:25
dwatkinsinteresting, MartijnVdS - I'd like to know more19:25
MartijnVdSdwatkins: tweakers.net/pricewatch19:25
dwatkinsthanks19:25
MartijnVdSLots of online computer (parts) stores register their prices with that site19:26
MartijnVdSand there are store reviews, part reviews etc.19:26
MartijnVdSprice history graphs19:26
MartijnVdSIt's more specialized than the "ciao"s of this world :)19:28
gordfyi, i loved little big planet 2 as a kid too :)19:29
gord3419:29
gorder19:29
gordadventure19:29
MartijnVdSgord: *adventure19:29
gordgeeeeeez19:29
MartijnVdSgord: if you liked lbp2 as a kid, you'd still be a kid :P19:29
gordMartijnVdS, some might argue that is the case19:30
MartijnVdSoh and coolness:19:30
MartijnVdShttp://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/3868787056/in/set-72157619633943669/19:30
MartijnVdS^ she's releasing a new EP on Monday.. music downloadable here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jan/20/mummers-mink-hollow-road :)19:31
MartijnVdSI love it when artists I've photographed release new music :)19:32
ali1234i wish it wasn't so easy to accidentally forkbomb yourself on ubuntu19:42
ali1234it only seems to take about 500 forks to completely cripple this machine19:42
Azelphurlol19:43
ali1234is that american keyboard layout bug from the other day fixed yet?19:44
ali1234might as well install updates and reboot before i open all my windows again19:45
MartijnVdSI think the bug is still there-ish19:53
MartijnVdSI got asked a question about it twice today19:53
MartijnVdS /q issyl019:57
MartijnVdSdoh19:57
jonsainthi all20:06
MartijnVdS\o20:06
andylockranhowdy all20:08
andylockranwhat a day20:08
jonsaintcan someone help plz with regards to cd/dvd copying20:08
MartijnVdSjonsaint: what's the problem you're having?20:09
jonsainti had ubuntu before but for the life of me i cant remember how to do this... what im trying to do is this: ive got a film off the net and i want to put it on to dvd but i cant remember what software i used to convert it and burn it.20:10
jonsaintanyone???20:12
jonsaintanyone help plz?20:14
MartijnVdSjonsaint: try the standard "CD/DVD burning" app from the Applications menu?20:14
MartijnVdSjonsaint: it has a DVD Video option20:14
jonsainti dont think its that. i cant remember what i used, the actual name of te software i used to convert it and burn it lol20:15
MartijnVdSdevede? dvdauthor?20:16
DJonesjonsaint: gnomebaker/k3b?20:18
jonsaintno dont think its that20:19
MartijnVdStovid?20:19
jonsaintk3b!!!! cheers djones! thats the one!20:19
MartijnVdSso.. two weeks until FOSDEM, who's going? :)20:34
* MartijnVdS might go either Sat or Sun20:49
AlanBellevening all20:53
* AlanBell is on a boat20:53
MartijnVdShi alanbell20:53
MartijnVdSAlanBell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU20:53
AlanBellinternet@sea hotspot20:53
AlanBellyoutube is blocked20:54
AlanBellbit laggy satellite connection20:54
MartijnVdSAlanBell: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_on_a_Boat20:54
AlanBellah, the song20:54
AlanBellthought it might be20:54
jonsainthi all (again) im trying to put a film onto dvd but if i remember correctly, i had to convert it forst then copy it to dvd but i dont know what software it was in the software centre i used! i remember something about k3b but i dont think it was just that to convert and burn. anyone got ideas??20:54
MartijnVdSjonsaint: doesn't k3b convert to mpeg2 by itself?20:55
jonsainti dont know. its been a while since i used it. i dont even remember what folder the film goes into lol20:55
MartijnVdSjonsaint: you could try.. it should warn if you're doing something impossible (i.e. burning mpeg-4 to a DVD-Video)20:55
MartijnVdSI know that brasero converts automatically20:56
MartijnVdS(that's the default DVD/CD burning tool)20:56
DJonesjonsaint: Was the converter called "devede" to convert a video file to an iso which you can burn to dvd with k3b?20:56
jonsaintthats the one! yet again djones you thought of the one i was after lol20:57
* MartijnVdS gives up :P20:57
jonsainti dunno what i would do without you folks here!20:58
* DJones has hooks in jonsaint's brain feeding me information, although MartijnVdS did mention that 20 minutes ago20:58
jonsaintmartijnvds i also want to thank you for looking also. :-)20:58
MartijnVdS\o/20:58
jonsaintgive me credit guys, i am new to ubuntu. ive come to the dark side because im really sick of all that microsoft bull **it all the time. at least ubuntu is more easier to use.......ITS FREE!!....and theres always good people in here willing to help. no one could ask for more than that!21:00
AlanBellwow, this is this ferry's first day of service21:01
MartijnVdSAlanBell: nice knowing you ;)21:02
AlanBellbiggest and most powerfulferry in the channel apparently21:02
jonsainthey alan, you on that new p&o cross channel ferry??21:02
MartijnVdSapparently 8-)21:02
AlanBelljonsaint: yes, the Spirit of Britain21:02
jonsaintwhats she like?? from what i heard she can carry over 2,000 people21:03
AlanBellyeah, but not that many in cluc class :)21:03
AlanBellclub21:03
AlanBellcluck class would be for the chickens21:03
jonsaintstill, a very nice looking vessel.21:03
AlanBellvery clean and shiny, smells of new carpets21:04
jonsaintgive it 6 months and it will smell and run like the rest of the fleet lol21:04
MartijnVdSaka "of sea sick"21:05
AlanBellwell I hope not to make a personal contribution to that21:05
jonsaintthe sea should be fairly calm tonight21:06
spritea belated xmas gift for the crew (nsfw) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6479260/PlayboyCal2011.pdf21:07
MartijnVdS!family21:07
MartijnVdS!ohmy21:07
lubotu3Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.21:07
ali1234looks like copyright infringement too, you got a twofer21:08
jonsaintim outta here folks. hope you all have a great evening......and alan, i hope the sailing goes well for you.21:09
AlanBelljust leaving the dock now21:09
spritenot copyright. copyright only extends to 2010 ;P21:09
MartijnVdScopyrights tend to be valid for long times21:10
MartijnVdSlike 70-90 years after the author dies or something21:10
dogmatic69anyone seen a red triangle with a ! in the top bar?21:16
dogmatic69hover says 'update info is old, bad connection blaa blaa21:17
dauberssigh, still some unresolved packages21:27
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* popey plays minecraft22:29
* AlanBell arrives in the UK22:30
popeyola22:30
directhexlooks like there are six of my own blu-ray discs that i can't rip to watch in linux, unless i buy commercial windows tools22:34
Daraeldirecthex: Ow.22:34
terrandirecthex: what do you mean? Can't you just watch them? Why do you have to rip them?22:39
directhexterran, same difference, ultimately. ripping tools and the rather early-days libaacs rely on the same method22:40
terranSo there's no blu-ray support in Ubuntu, even?22:41
directhexterran, technically there's as much support as for dvd, i.e. "it's fine if the disc is not copy-protected. good luck with that"22:55
* czajkowski does the going to Canada dance 22:56
czajkowski:D22:56
terranjeez22:57
terranis there anywhere you don't go22:57
czajkowskium....22:59
czajkowskiplaces that are cold22:59
czajkowski:)22:59
czajkowskiterran: 2 weeks to fosdem :D23:00
terranyup yup yup!23:00
terrangonna be fun23:00
terranthis time I ain't a poor student living in my overdraft :D23:00
jpdsczajkowski: Where in Canada?23:00
czajkowskijpds: Guelp heading over to meet 2 mates23:01
jpdsGroovy.23:02
czajkowskiyup23:03
czajkowskiso much fun23:03
czajkowskiwent over there over a year ago for my 30th23:03
czajkowski2 weeks of fun23:03
directhextrain tix and accommodation for fosdem are booked on the company credit card ^_^23:04
terranold czajkowski is old :p23:04
czajkowskiyup23:04
czajkowski:D23:04
czajkowskiterran: sod off you little git I am not that old!23:04
terranI know babe I know23:05
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* hamitron sighs23:25
directhexer... the largest blu-ray in my collection afaik, at 40GB of data, is a movie from 1978 with mono sound...23:45
popeyRollercoaster?23:48
Azelphurwhat's the deal with oovoo?23:48
AzelphurI hear it uses XMPP and some form of openness for the protocol level23:49
Azelphurbut is the client open?23:49
popeyhttp://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current.png :)23:49
Azelphur:D23:50
dwatkinsHave you been playing minecraft, popey? ;)23:50
Azelphurpopey: btw did you get 500 points on giffgaff23:50
AzelphurI signed up so you should get some stuff23:50
czajkowskipopey: http://twitpic.com/3s3ww5 :D23:50
popeydunno23:50
popeyhaha23:51
popeybreakfast?23:51
Azelphurpopey: also what memory is it you have in surplas? :P23:51
czajkowskipopey: oh it will be tomorrow :D23:51
popeyone mo, I will get the link23:51
czajkowskicannot wait23:51
popeyAzelphur: i have 4 off packs of 2x2GB, so in total 16GB23:52
Azelphurspeed/type?23:53
dwatkinspopey: I'm curious, what was the landscape picture from?23:53
popeyDDR3 1333MHz23:53
popeydwatkins: minecraft23:53
Azelphurhehe23:53
dwatkinsoh right, I didn't know it did that, popey :)23:53
Azelphurlittle too slow for me, I'm on 160023:53
popeyits for a server23:53
popeywhich doesnt need to be fast23:53
Azelphur:)23:53
popeydwatkins: its a program called mcmap which generates those maps based on the game world23:54
ali1234Azelphur: you have a fast graphics card right?23:54
dwatkinsneat, popey - I'm almost tempted to give it a try ... not sure I can spare my weekend, though23:54
Azelphurali1234: gtx 57023:55
popeydwatkins: http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/ I have it run every 10 mins to take a snapshot23:55
ali1234is that fast?23:55
Azelphurali1234: I'd say so, I believe it's the second fastest graphics card you can get23:55
ali1234can you try running something and tell me how long it takes?23:55
czajkowskihttp://www.odfplugfest.co.uk/  <---- one of the projects I'm organisng at  shall mail Ubuntu uk about it23:56
ali1234you will need to install pyopencl23:56
popeyAzelphur: today23:56
Azelphurali1234: sure23:56
Azelphurpopey: huh?23:56
popey23:55:37 < Azelphur> ali1234: I'd say so, I believe it's the second fastest graphics card you can get23:56
Azelphuroh yea, today23:56
Azelphur:)23:56
ali1234on my computer it takes about 1 minute and is not much faster than the CPU23:57
AzelphurI know I'll be violated by it later.23:57
ali1234i'm just wondering if it's bad coding or just cos my card sucks23:57
ali1234anyway here it is: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/cltest.tar23:57
ali1234wait23:58
ali1234that's wrong one :(23:58
ali1234fixed23:59
Azelphur:P23:59

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