[00:06] Exilant: You have the "Notifications" widget on your bar? [00:07] yes [00:07] says "no devices available" === mren is now known as mren|off [00:11] Exilant: If you hover over it ( the lowercase i in a circle ) should say something like: "Notifications and Jobs" and under: "No active jobs or notifications" [00:13] ah, this. Yes, that's also present. nothing happens there if i plug in a device === not-xjjk is now known as xjjk [01:03] hello, how is KDE 4.6rc1? [01:04] digiKam/marble are broken for me in my 4.5.5 install on 10.10 [01:04] wondering if I should just upgrade everything [01:04] xjjk: why use rc1? rc2 is out :) [01:04] james147: aha [01:05] well, same question applies [01:05] I remember trying one of the betas and being miserable with how much was broken [01:05] power management in particular [01:05] xjjk: rc1 sucked rc2 is where it's at [01:05] whats broken about digikam? [01:05] james147: well, marble specifically [01:05] and apparently the marble kpart [01:05] marble just crashes on startup, consistently [01:05] There are still some bugs but over all it's pretty nice I havn't found anything horribly broken except resuming from Sleep but that's the kernel's fault [01:06] digikam if you try to view photo on top of OpenStreetMap [01:06] xjjk: With what error? [01:06] diigkam crashes [01:06] no error, seg11 [01:06] sig11* [01:06] I'm running some number of PPAs so I haven't bothered reporting a bug… I've had marble-related crashes before [01:06] ^^ sorry dont use that part of digikam :) but the rest of rc2 will stable enough to me... [01:07] so might be worth upgrading to see, or you could try it in a vm [01:07] mm, well the parts that broke for me before were power management [01:07] which I can't test in a VM [01:08] powerdevil/whatever replaced it was very messed up in 4.6b1 [01:08] xjjk: run it from the konsole [01:08] umm yeah :p... been running rc2 fine on my netbook though, havent had any problems with powermanagment on that [01:08] Daskreech: run what, digiKam? [01:10] xjjk: marble [01:10] Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556714/ [01:10] not really useful... [01:11] I could install the dbg packages but I don't think anyone cares since I'm using some odd mix of PPA packages [01:11] An essential tile is missing. Please rerun the application. [01:11] it's easier to upgrade to 4.6rc2 and try that [01:11] that seems useful to me [01:11] hrm, missed that [01:12] try rebuild your map cache I would guess [01:12] (this is in no way trying to stop you getting RC2) [01:12] yeh, just nuked .marble [01:12] still crashes [01:12] with same error [01:13] and, nevermind [01:13] nuked the configs in .kde [01:13] doesn't crash anymore [01:13] is there a program that lets me turn off all the fancy effects for my kubuntu to save processing speed [01:14] but it still crashes digiKam, blah [01:14] or is there some kind of processing optimizer? [01:14] moses_: system settings > desktop effects [01:14] i messed with those [01:14] but theres this program called kwin [01:14] Daskreech: yeah it consistently crashes when attempting to use OpenStreetMap [01:14] and i cant open it [01:15] deleting my marble config apparently just reset the default map [01:15] to the lame globe [01:15] moses_: kwin is the window manager... it should already be running, if its not you have no control over your windows :) [01:15] xjjk: run digikam from the konsole? [01:15] ok] [01:15] but how can i make it minimal [01:16] ^^ desktop effects is handeled by kwin [01:16] you should be able to just turn them off via that settings page [01:16] Daskreech: same error about an essential tile missing [01:16] xjjk: in Digikam? [01:16] Daskreech: yes [01:16] ha. Might want to pop into Digikam and ask about that [01:16] sounds like a kwin issue? [01:17] Daskreech: eh, I'm going to get told to upgrade [01:18] which is why I'm asking about 4.6rc2 [01:18] xjjk: Doubtful but it's not a bad idea [01:18] <#digikam> digikam 1.4, what? upgrade to 1.7! [01:18] xjjk: Rc2 should work fine but YMMV [01:18] it's really solid so far though [01:19] xjjk: To be fair many KDE devs are not like that unles they begged people not to use 1.4 for real work stuff [01:19] Daskreech: can't hurt I guess, I'll ask [01:19] if it was known to be not the best release they will release it and say please find bugs. [01:20] er, actually [01:20] it's not a digikam problem, it's a marble problem... [01:20] That normally means a huge number of fixes between that and 1.7 so they will say please use that since we can't keep a track of all the fixes [01:22] xjjk: The marble problem crashes digikam? [01:22] Daskreech: it appears so, yes [01:23] selecting the OpenStreetMap map in either marble or in digikam's marble control causes both to crash [01:26] xjjk: oh then bug marble then :) [01:27] (so to speak) [01:27] while you upgrade to RC2 ;) [01:31] does powerdevil/power management work with rc2? [01:31] i.e. can I suspend with krunner [01:31] and does the plasma applet work [01:31] those were the main problems I had with b1 [01:32] xjjk: is working here [01:32] james147: cool, I'll just upgrade [01:32] and then debug from there [01:37] #freedoom [01:38] You can take my Binaries but you can never take my Freedoom!!! [02:32] hi [02:39] ji [02:39] hi === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === Guest58739 is now known as RaNdY [04:25] how do i use kate to convert tabs to spaces? (the setting to convert tabs to spaces is ticked in the settings dialog but i already have a file that used tabs) [04:36] rtdos, in the past I've just used the replace/replace all function [04:37] type in a tab, and in the other however many spaces you want [04:37] works like a charm [04:42] Yeah there is a space to tabs entry though [04:45] i've got that ticked already daskreech but wasn't sure if it would convert tabs to spaces after the fact. [04:45] thanks valorie [04:47] wow. [04:47] i guess a ctrl+a followed by a ctrl+x followed by a ctrl+v does the same thing. amazing what you can find out by accident. :) [05:12] 有人吧一 [05:12] 有人吗 [06:29] hello everyone i like to ask you about KDE i am readin for Kubuntu10.10 that is has been done with kde4.5.5 but now they are working on kubuntu10.10 with kde4.6 is this correct? [06:29] or they are just doing kde4.6 and then user will have to kubuntu10.10 choices? [06:30] 2* [06:30] they have the choice [06:30] like kubuntu10.10 with kde4.5.5 and also kubuntu10.10 with kde4.6? [06:31] but there will never be a 10.10 installation CD with 4.6 [06:31] so right now the one available is kubuntu10.10 with kde4.5.5 right? [06:31] oo [06:31] you've to install it after [06:31] so? how do you get kde4.6? [06:31] are the packages released yet? [06:32] there's a RC [06:32] available as of 2011-01-07 [06:33] there will be accessible through a repository if they will be packaged for 10.10 [06:33] just like the packages fpr 4.5.5 http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-4.5.5 [06:33] but how do you make an upgrade on kde? [06:33] i am just finding out this [06:33] never knew it before [06:34] well anyway [06:34] it depends which upgrade do you mean ... just upgrade a program or kde to a newer version or the hole system .... [06:34] kde [06:35] te newest is kubuntu10.10 right [06:35] ? [06:35] yes [06:35] so that would be the whoe system [06:35] whole* [06:35] the next will be 11.4 which will be released in april [06:35] jesus [06:35] to fast [06:35] well anyway [06:36] few days ago somebody told me that kubuntu10.10 is lighter and faster than the former one is this true? [06:36] cause i do still have hardy [06:36] hm ... good question. [06:37] and unfotunately for me it's now time to go to work ... [06:37] and the reason is cause the karmic and lucid are too heavy for my pc and it slow down all aplications [06:37] sorry, I'll hope you find the answers, but I've really to go. [06:37] ok txs [06:37] so some one else? [06:39] oh yeah just one more thing: normally there not a lot of people awake in here on this time ... ;-) === moses^_^ is now known as moses_ [06:47] how do i know my hd capacity? can anyone tell mepls [06:52] i just found that that kubuntu10.10 requieres a video VGA graphic card so if my desktop don't have that it means it won't work properly??? [06:53] luis_: Kubuntu doesn't require that. Your system requires video capability to boot. [06:53] what does that mean [06:53] i am looking at kubuntu10.10 requirements and it does says that [06:53] It means if you have a working system now, video wont'be a problem. [06:54] i have hardy [06:54] You'll be fine. [06:54] the reason why i haven't install the other ones ... well i actually did, but with lucid and karmic my desktop slows down a lot === GHH is now known as abc321 [06:55] As for your hard dirve, use "Disk Utility" from your Menu/System. [06:55] that's why i am not using the newer ones [06:55] ok [06:55] however someone told me that 10.10 is lighter and faster than the formers ones is this true? [06:55] I don't know if Hardy had "Disk Utility" but it'll have something similar. [06:56] I can't tell you that since my machine is has a 6 core processor and 8 gigs RAM. It'll run anything fast. :-) [06:56] course it does :P [06:56] not mine [06:56] What do you have? [06:57] i don't think we have that yet in here [06:57] i think is up to 3 core === mike is now known as Guest26687 [06:57] old old old desktop pentium intel 2.40 Ghz IGb hd and 512 Ram [06:57] that's my desktop [06:58] Ah. That's ancient alright. But in the '80s it'd be close to being a supercomputer. :-) [06:58] Can you put more RAM in it? [06:58] heh, my 80s computer had 80k! [06:58] who needs more than that? [06:59] :-) [06:59] valorie: Back then? Or now? :-^) [06:59] well we are not in the 80's anymore [06:59] and OS are developing faster [07:00] and they do require more efficient machines [07:00] Good afternoon, I will be attending a conference locally here in Australia and I was hoping to loop some promotional videos to showcase Ubuntu. To this end I was wondering if such a video exists for Kubuntu? [07:00] that's why my concern about installing kubuntu10.10 i don't know if my computer will be fast and reliable with this new kubuntu [07:01] Have you considered trying Xubuntu or Lubuntu instead of Kubuntu? Xubuntu uses Xfce instead of KDE and is much less demanding of system resources. [07:01] i haven't hear lubuntu [07:01] DarthFrog: I think it's in the attic! [07:01] !lubuntu | luis [07:01] luis: lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support. [07:01] Coleco ADAM [07:01] xubuntu i have had and i don't like it at all [07:01] head_victim: Sorry, I don't know of any. [07:02] luis, can you boot to a CD? [07:02] mmm so that suppose to be lighter but also better than Xubuntu right? [07:02] or a USB? [07:02] yes i can [07:02] DarthFrog: yeah I thought there would have been a few of each but I'm struggling to find many at all, they're all "howto" screencasts rather than promotional material. [07:02] luis_: I've never tried Lubuntu. [07:02] me neither [07:03] i have never hear about it [07:03] first tiem [07:03] luis_: Lubuntu is what I use on all my P4 machines and older. It's a good mix between features and speed. [07:03] time [07:03] head_victim: I wonder whether it might be worth emailing Canonical and ask? [07:03] i see [07:03] heh [07:03] sound nice [07:03] DarthFrog: just have to find the right one [07:03] email address that is [07:03] like Canonical would make a Kub. ad! [07:03] lol [07:04] Well the ubuntu website has one of theirs but other than that I haven't been able to find anything really. [07:04] head_victim: You can ask Riddell, either here or in #kubuntu-devel if you manage to catch him. He's the head honcho of Kubuntu. [07:04] let me get this right, so base on what you just said Lubuntu is meant to be lighter but also with a nice desktop enviroment therefore lot better than Xubuntu? [07:05] head_victim: But with you being in Oz and him in Blighty, I think you two might be out of phase. [07:05] DarthFrog: I'll just leave a message [07:05] luis_: What don't you like about Xfce on Xubuntu? [07:06] Riddell: DarthFrog has volunteered you as someone who might know if any Kubuntu promotional videos exist that I can use at a conference to advertise Kubuntu. When you get this ping if you can please either PM any links you might know of or places that might be better to ask. [07:06] it won't take my keyboard media and also i don't see any diference like being faster than kubuntu and desktop is not nice as well [07:06] luis_: depends on what you call "better". To me is a lot lighter so if you're after lighter then it is "better" [07:06] head_victim: LOL! Riddell doesn't know me from a hole in the ground. [07:07] DarthFrog: well he might now ;) [07:07] xubuntu lighter than Lubuntu? [07:07] luis_: Well, it's like a lemon: you have to suck it to see if it's sour. :-) [07:07] lol [07:07] perfect answer [07:07] txs a lot man [07:08] you are so right [07:08] You're welcome. [07:08] hehehehehe [07:08] luis_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [07:08] i am not flood [07:08] get a life flood [07:08] luis_: You'll be banned, careful. [07:08] this guy always complain [07:08] You're arguing with a bot! :-) You lose. [07:08] don't help don't do anything useful just complain [07:09] i wont' [07:09] i don't care aboput someone useless === mike_ is now known as Guest5345 [07:09] well anyway thank you very much for your help [07:09] luis_: It's not a "someone", it's a program. It defends the channel. [07:09] i will see what i can do [07:10] then that program is not doing right [07:10] i am not flooding and it always said that [07:11] ok txs a lot guys again i'll take a look to Lubuntu and Kubuntu10.10 and see wich one fits better [07:11] take care === hexi is now known as Guest18531 [09:34] How can i disable kdm? [10:18] ?????????????\ [10:25] abc321: ? [10:25] xD [10:25] disabling kdm for console login [10:26] mmm [10:26] abc321: why? [10:26] where? [10:27] I like to login from console [10:27] How can i disable it? [10:27] I was removed kdm but ......... [10:27] I am trying to console login but it is hanging after message like : fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 /dev/sdb1: clean 380060/4259840 files, 7192759/8514442 blocks [10:29] abc321: guess you have to edit cat /etc/init/kdm.conf === vic is now known as Guest71609 [10:30] abc321: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1477439 [10:30] abc321: sounds like a problem in the sdb1 [10:30] so... [10:30] hd ? [10:31] you have to fix your hd [10:31] i guess [10:31] for that you can use the recovery mode [10:31] It start fine if installed kdm [10:31] Nothing work [10:31] mm [10:31] Everything is hanging [10:32] abc321: i have to admit i have ever thinked to disable kdm [10:32] abc321: wait a moment [10:32] k [10:32] abc321: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3101488 [10:33] Even if i run fsck then it output only : fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 [10:34] abc321: i dunno man to me... for what i remember that means there are some problem on the filesystem [10:34] so you have to fix with fsck with an unmounted hd [10:35] after that or the hd is fixed and it doesn't hang anymore [10:35] or there are a very huge problem , hardware speaking [10:35] Unmounted hardisk mean>? [10:36] abc321: you have to run fsck un-mounted [10:36] i mean [10:36] how? [10:36] you know when you attach an usb hd ? before you have to mount... [10:37] abc321: i guess the best way would be with an live cd [10:37] i guess [10:37] but of couse i am not sure about he issue [10:37] Please me know to do it using livecd [10:38] how to do with livecd [10:38] abc321: your language is ? [10:39] russian [10:39] !ru | abc321 [10:39] abc321: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [10:39] abc321: i guess you could find much more help on russian channel [10:39] wher you can explain better your issue [10:39] Peace-, English is ok but this problem is making me mad [10:40] hi everyone, does anybody know why when copying one or lots of files into a flash memory i get the indication (abnormal according to my opinion) that the copy speed rate is 40Mbytes/s and it easily drops down to 1 or 0.5Mbytes/sec? I know that the average write speed for big files is 6-7Mbytes/sec and 3-4Mbytes for small files! Can anybody guess what is going on? [10:40] abc321: but kid what did you do to the system ? [10:41] naftilos76: mmm the files are very little? [10:42] it doesn't happen only in small files. It happens always. [10:43] naftilos76: what i can say it's this : dolphin has a bug for little files (when coping lots of files) [10:43] it doesn't happen when copying small or big files to an external hard disk. it only happens on flash memories [10:44] well i am sure i have faced any problems with dolphin lately. i am using KDE 4.5.5 updated from backports [10:44] i am NOT sure [10:44] mmm [10:45] could be dolphin [10:45] dolphin seems pretty stable... [10:45] naftilos76: you could try to install enlightment [10:45] well i can't say for sure [10:45] and try with it's filemanager [10:45] i guess it's only 18 mega xD [10:45] for a DE [10:46] this is a workstation in my business! there is no way i will spend time doing that extensive changes! [10:46] abc321: i remember on the kdm widnows there are option [10:46] KDE has matured enough! [10:46] abc321: i guess there is konsole login too [10:46] i guess i didn't remember well [10:46] naftilos76: yes but there are still some problems [10:47] as one could aspect for a rewrited DE [10:47] Peace: i am sure there are and will be...I just hope that they will stay very well hidden that none will encounter them :-) [10:48] !option | Peace- [10:48] lol [10:49] abc321: there should be an arrow or something i guess there is konsole login [10:49] but still i can't understand why you want a konsole login :S [10:50] to check where kernels hangs i wll press ALT f1 when kenrel starts [10:58] Peace-, If you console login then you will see everything (debug) === newbie is now known as Guest90399 [11:09] hi! I have installed ratpoison but it does not appear in the list of dm at login. any clue? [11:09] 有人 [11:10] !cn | lemonmi [11:10] lemonmi: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道：打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者打字 /join #ubuntu-tw 或者打字 /join #ubuntu-hk [11:11] lemonmi, 有人 [11:13] abc321: nope man [11:13] abc321: press ALT F1 on the boot time [11:13] after grub [11:13] you will see [11:14] hi everyone [11:16] sehdy bjdyu iiodn [11:16] hello etidhor [11:17] ssihfsoiesiuendxcus [11:17] a [11:17] a [11:17] a [11:17] a [11:17] a [11:17] etidhor: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [11:18] hi [11:22] anyone can explain me how to use aircrack-ng step by step ???? [11:23] !hack [11:23] !aircrack [11:23] -.- [11:23] etidhor: we don't say about crackin wifi [11:23] because it's illegal for an imprope use [11:23] what is aircrak [11:24] actually aircrack-ng it is named [11:24] ct529: getting the wifi password from unknown wifi network [11:24] using it is illegal not hte telling how to use [11:24] etidhor: actually you can't speak about that here [11:24] . [11:24] Peace-: thanks [11:24] you can say so [11:25] how to use it [11:25] no [11:25] I have installed ratpoison but it does not appear in the list of dm at login. any clue? [11:25] use terminal [11:26] write ratpoison blabla [11:26] and it will work [11:26] Peace- u r a**h**e [11:26] etidhor: your will be kicked out if you keep going this way [11:27] i have to call someone ? etidhor [11:27] call micheal tyson [11:28] etidhor: please read the topic or you will be kicked [11:28] and respect that [11:28] the respect i am [11:30] !ops [11:30] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) Hobbsee, Tm_T, Nalioth, Riddell, seth, imbrandon, gnomefreak, nixternal, ryanakca, mneptok, PriceChild, tsimpson, jussi, Pici, ikonia, genii, Mamarok, claydoh, maco, apachelogger, seele, Nightrose, JontheEnchidna, rgreening, or txwikinger [11:30] I know ratpoison can be used from command line, but I would like to have it as option in the dm list [11:31] ct529: i gues you have to edit kdm.conf [11:32] Peace-: it does not seems to be there, the list [11:32] download it from software center [11:32] Peace-: I wonder why when you install it it does not get added to the list, as all the others (e.g. xfce or icewm) [11:32] ct529: well it's a destkop that is not used so much [11:33] Peace-: do you know of any other dm that does not use the mouse? [11:33] ct529: so... maybe packagers has not time to set every de around the world [11:33] Peace-: every de? [11:33] ct529: actually kubuntu is studied for kde [11:33] Peace-: what is a de? [11:34] desktop enviroments [11:34] Peace-:sorry, I callled them dm .... yes, but then it should be removed from the repository if it is unmanaged .... [11:34] Peace-: at the same time, it is useful to have at least one dm or de without mouse [11:36] hello, if i want to share a partition on a kubuntu machine with a xp machine, what filesystem should i format that partition? thx [11:36] Jean1: ntfs [11:36] thx [11:37] Peace-: the other problem I have is that I cannot change the default desktop configuration (like wallpaper and so on) .... so if I create a new activity it goes back to ethais .... is it possible to change this default? [11:37] Jean1: or fat [11:37] ct529: why you can't change the desktop wallpaper :S [11:37] omg [11:37] Jean1: fat is slower [11:38] Jean1: and doesn't support big big big hd [11:38] Jean1: this can help you http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/could-i-create-a-fat-partition-that-both-winxp-and-linux-could-read-write-to-282002/ [11:38] !ntfs [11:38] To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE [11:39]