[00:02] <cphuntington97> I didn't know if that would be appropriate for lubuntu... I will post on ubuntuforums
[00:03] <kristian-aalborg> I think so, but I'm not suer
[00:03] <kristian-aalborg> *sure
[00:25] <gnewb> Hello
[00:25] <cphuntington97> hi gnewb
[00:25] <gnewb> Hiya
[00:26] <gnewb> Are you a real Captain?
[00:28] <cphuntington97> no actually my sn stands for Collis Potter
[00:28] <cphuntington97> he was a railroad baron
[00:28] <gnewb> Neato
[00:29] <gnewb> I sail boats and am actually a Captain.
[00:29] <cphuntington97> welcome aboard :-)
[00:29] <gnewb> Use to pilot smaller ships and vessels, now I sail a very small boat, is fun.
[00:30] <gnewb> Thank you.
[00:30] <gnewb> I love this new Lubuntu spin.
[00:30] <cphuntington97> ditto... all my favorite apps out of the box
[00:31] <cphuntington97> chromium, pidgin, lxde, etc.
[00:32] <gnewb> I hop around distros alot, I am a big proponent of the Debian DSFG stuff, but I also like the BSD styles of licensing  schemas.
[00:32] <gnewb> I added Skype the other day.
[00:33] <gnewb> I am running this on an older home built desktop with 512 RAM and a P$
[00:33] <gnewb> P4
[00:34] <gnewb> I forgot, was Tomboy installed by default?
[00:42] <cphuntington97> I think it's XPad
[00:43] <gnewb> Okee dokee, Thank you
[00:43] <gnewb> I added Gnote to this one.
[00:45] <cphuntington97> I also appreciate that tap to click was turned on by default
[00:49] <gnewb> Yes, I test systems on my Nieces Laptop, this Lubuntu is in a very close spectrum with !# now.
[00:52] <cphuntington97> #! was a little too barebones for me
[00:54] <gnewb> I agree, it has its purposes, and it fills them well.
[00:55] <gnewb> I also tested the LXDE Debian, that one was blinding fast with a few tweaks.
[00:56] <gnewb> Now I am testing on Older Hardware boxes/systems, OLPC sorta stuff.
[00:56] <head_victim> Ah how does it go on an OLPC?
[00:56] <head_victim> (I'm going to a conference where there will be an OLPC representation)
[00:56] <cphuntington97> I'm running it on a netbook... 1.6ghz atom / 1gig ram
[00:57] <cphuntington97> performance is fine
[00:57] <gnewb> With Sugar it rocks, zap sugar out and run new Statler it screams.
[00:57] <cphuntington97> I just like I can have lubuntu running almost immediately
[00:58] <cphuntington97> debian takes time to set up
[00:58] <cphuntington97> aight I must eat! thanks everyone for your thoughts
[00:58] <gnewb> As you stated, !# is more for educational or programming than fun eye candy stuff. There is always a fine middle ground that can be found.
[00:59] <gnewb> I lub the LXDE
[08:21] <charliemac> Is it safe to run a 32 bit program/OS through a 64-bit processer?
[09:29] <charliemac> How can I use Unntbootin to reformat my WinXP computer with #lubuntu ?
[09:29] <charliemac> *Unetbootin
[09:34] <head_victim> charliemac: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net is a good page
[09:35] <head_victim> For Lubuntu you will have to download the Lubuntu ISO file (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download) and use the option of "using an ISO file you've already downloaded"
[09:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> !lxde | charliemac
[09:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> awwh the bot has no answers
[09:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> charliemac, you just try to ask in any one channel. and that will be better to answer
[09:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> charliemac, its just the environment and you can install any
[09:43] <mmaksimov> Hi. Does any release schedule exist for 11.04? Is it available on lubuntu wiki?
[09:44] <charliemac> Is LXDE over Xubuntu as light and zippy as Lubuntu?
[09:45] <charliemac> (With SLiM)
[10:08] <charliemac> I have the md5sum confirmed lubuntu10.10 iso as well as unetbootin in seperate thumb drives on the target machine, which runs winXP.  Can I use UNetbootin to overwrite the C:\ with the Lubuntu ISO on said computer?
[10:15] <head_victim> charliemac: if you have the usb thumb drive installed correctly via the unetbootin then all you need to do is plug it in, reboot the machine and make sure the bios is set to boot from USB as the first option.
[10:15] <head_victim> It will then ask you questions on how to install it or try it out
[10:16] <charliemac> Target machine will not boot from USB or CD-ROM
[10:18] <charliemac> It doesn't have a floppy drive and currently isn't networked.
[10:25] <charliemac> Nevermind, i guess it is networked!
[10:25] <head_victim> Well if it won't boot from CD or USB how did you get the current OS installed?
[10:26] <head_victim> I would double check your BIOS settings because it usually just needs to change the boot order for it to work
[10:47] <howoriginalAU> Hi everyone :)
[10:48] <howoriginalAU> Just installed Lubuntu 10.04 for the first time
[10:49] <howoriginalAU> Quite a good distribution!
[10:49] <charliemac> The current OS got there before the CD-rom died.  :[
[10:49] <charliemac> I double checked BIOS and the USB doesn't show up in the boot menu
[10:53] <howoriginalAU> That's odd, the USB not showing up at all
[10:53] <howoriginalAU> Have you tried plugging it into a different USB port?
[10:54] <howoriginalAU> I had the same problem where it wouldn't show up (a couple of months back) - I just restarted in a different USB port and it recognised it fine
[10:54] <charliemac> Ok, I will try that.
[10:54] <howoriginalAU> charliemac: I hope it works! :)
[10:55] <charliemac> :)
[10:55] <charliemac> Same here lol
[10:56] <howoriginalAU> If you're using a USB hub (external USB device that has more ports, if you didn't know) they often don't have enough power if all of the available USB ports are full
[10:57] <howoriginalAU> I've had a *ridiculous* amount of problems just because of that reason - ranging from glitchy headphones to external hard drive dropping out midway through a very important backup....
[11:06] <charliemac> This is a stripped down notebook with 4 built-in USB ports, and it seems none of them are showing up in my BIOS or boot screens
[11:07] <MrChrisDruif> Some (if not most) BIOS don't have the ability to boot from USB
[11:08] <bioterror> how about burning that iso to a CD-R
[11:09] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, if USB doesn't work just go old-fashion and use CD
[11:09] <charliemac> The CD Rom drive doesn
[11:09] <charliemac> t work anymore either
[11:10] <charliemac> (*Not sure if USB ever showed up in boot menus)
[11:12] <howoriginalAU> Isn't there like a 'Press F12 for boot menu' or something on all laptops / netbooks?
[11:12] <howoriginalAU> It should have 'Boot from USB, Boot from CD' etc etc
[11:13] <charliemac> Yes but when I got there, the only three selectoins offered were CD, Broadcom MBA, and hard disk...
[11:13] <howoriginalAU> So the CD drive just doesn't open?
[11:15] <charliemac> I already tried booting from two different CDs of the unpacked ISO, with md5sum confirmed, created through two different ISO reading image writers
[11:15] <howoriginalAU> and what happened?
[11:15] <howoriginalAU> I'm thinking the problem here is the words 'unpacked iso'
[11:15] <howoriginalAU> but did they boot at all?
[11:15] <charliemac> It sounds like the drive is bad,  no full speed reading cycles took place
[11:16] <howoriginalAU> Hmm okay
[11:16] <howoriginalAU> what's the exact process you took to burn those CD's, starting from after you downloaded the iso?
[11:18] <charliemac> I used winMd5Sum to compare the ISO with the hash listed here: < http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt>, then
[11:21] <charliemac> Then I ran infra recorder.  When I tried to confirm the disc, the drive failed, apparently.  Since I couldn't be sure it was a bad disc (what are the chances of that happening, anyway?) I decided to make another disk from
[11:21] <howoriginalAU> Chances of that happening are actually higher than you might think :)
[11:22] <howoriginalAU> but continue
[11:23] <charliemac> the same iso which was confirmed earlier, this time using
[11:24] <joris> I am still trying to setup an encrypted home folder in lubuntu, but it doesn't work out yet. There is something about it in the release notes, but I can't figure out how to use this...
[11:24] <joris> Any ideas?
[11:24] <howoriginalAU> joris: are you using a desktop or laptop?
[11:25] <joris> I am trying now on a desktop but if it works than I want to install lubuntu on my netbook
[11:25] <charliemac> ISO Recorder
[11:25] <howoriginalAU> don't have any ideas for the desktop, but for the netbook - shut the lid, drill a hole all the way through and then padlock it shut :D
[11:25] <howoriginalAU> haha I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm not sure!
[11:25] <howoriginalAU> charliemac: what OS are you using, XP or Vista or 7?
[11:25] <MrChrisDruif> howoriginalAU: Not funny ;)
[11:26] <howoriginalAU> MrChrisDruif: I know, because it happened to me as a practical joke
[11:26] <joris> ah well I don't care
[11:26] <charliemac> The source machine runs VISTA
[11:26] <joris> ;)
[11:26] <charliemac> the target has XP
[11:27] <howoriginalAU> Try this charliemac: try burning the cd at a slower speed (about halfway down the list of available burn speeds)
[11:27] <joris> I know lubuntu will fly on my netbook that's why I would like to make this work. Now it is running ubuntu and it's ok but I like speed
[11:27] <howoriginalAU> we'll just try and find out whether or not it's the cd drive or just the cd's themselves
[11:28] <howoriginalAU> joris: I'm not sure if this is just on the normal Ubuntu install, but isn't there an option to have an encrypted home folder in the actual installation?
[11:28] <charliemac> Ok, I'll try using an audio cd in windows media player or something
[11:29] <howoriginalAU> charliemac: that's not what I meant, but that's actually a good idea
[11:29] <joris> No or yes but you need to mount it manually after you boot to it
[11:29] <howoriginalAU> joris: yeah I'm guessing it asks you for a password in text mode?
[11:29] <joris> Yeah you need to mount on the terminal
[11:29] <joris> after login
[11:29] <howoriginalAU> alright fair enough
[11:30] <howoriginalAU> Does it recognise the partition at least?
[11:30] <joris> Is possible but I use my netbook to check stuff online
[11:30] <joris> fas
[11:30] <joris> t
[11:30] <charliemac> ;)
[11:30] <joris> So mounting my home from the cli everytime I boot is inconvenient
[11:31] <howoriginalAU> Ah I get what you mean - you just want it to automount, ask for your password and then go
[11:31] <joris> my home is not on a seperate partition
[11:31] <joris> howoriginalAU yes
[11:32] <howoriginalAU> Hmm, does it work in file manager? surely it must show up
[11:33] <howoriginalAU> because if it does, you could just have file manager load on startup. Then you can click on the drive, type in the password and away you go
[11:34] <joris> No that is not how it works
[11:35] <joris> The filemanager shows a link to access your private desktop
[11:36] <joris> an a readme with the command to type in the cli to mount the home folder
[11:43] <charliemac> Falling asleep; thanks all!
[11:46] <head_victim> Oh my, another Australian! And I missed him :.
[11:49] <MrChrisDruif> head_victim: I have a feeling that he'll be around :)
[11:49] <head_victim> Cool, going to have to show him th eloco as well :D
[12:22] <craigbass1976> I spent the majority of yesterday on a windows 7 box.  Hoping to feel better when I got back to this box today (I'l be a few days recovering from MS) I realize that the shortcut to /home/me on my desktop is call My Documents.  How do I change that?  It's giving me the heebie jeebies
[12:32] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[12:37] <bioterror> what
[12:38] <MrChrisDruif> That craigbass1976 needs to recover from a Windows session, I thought that was (just a bit) funny :)
[12:38] <craigbass1976> MrChrisDruif, 13 hours dude...  I'm still toast today.
[12:43] <MrChrisDruif> I see Windows as a necessary means to get certain things done (updating my Android e.g.)
[12:44] <MrChrisDruif> I don't really play any Windows games anymore and for the rest I can use Linux, so I'm completely converted to Linux :)
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> I'll ask it in the "official" area: how would I go about to install Lubuntu 64 bit?
[12:53] <head_victim> I run windows in a VM for updating my GPS for the car but other than that, I'm completely windows free :)
[12:53] <head_victim> And why do you have to run windows to update an android? How does that even make sense (I don't own an android mind you)
[12:55] <MrChrisDruif> I've got a Samsung Galaxy S and in order to update it (new Android version like 2.1 > 2.2) you need to run Samsung's Kies (don't know it's English name, prolly Choose) software <_<" And you can't run that in Wine or VM Windows <_<"
[12:56] <head_victim> Really? That sucks. I would have thought a vm would have done it
[12:59] <MrChrisDruif> Apparently it will say it's running another process...just what I've read on the interwebs...
[13:09] <craigbass1976> So, is there a way ot rename this abonimation on my dektop?
[13:13] <MrChrisDruif> On the Windows Machine? :-/
[13:17] <craigbass1976> MrChrisDruif, no, on this lubuntu box.
[13:17] <MrChrisDruif> You can't right-click it? :-/
[13:18] <craigbass1976> In a totally other vein...  /etc/hosts : I cna put in an ip and give it a name, but can I give it a name and then give it another, shorter name?  Someone is using dyndns.org and the host name is wicked long.  I was hoping to be able to do something like ssh blah rather than ssh blahblahbalhblabh
[13:19] <craigbass1976> MrChrisDruif, can't change the name when I do that.  And ls Desktop doesn't show it (so I can't just mv it)
[13:20] <MrChrisDruif> craigbass1976: Sorry man, can't help you. Maybe someone else knows :)
[13:27] <bioterror> !alias | craigbass1976
[13:27] <bioterror> argh
[13:27] <bioterror> well, make alias to your .shellrc
[13:27] <bioterror> what ever you are using
[13:27] <bioterror> for that ssh
[13:49] <retku> hey, does lubuntu use the same network manager than ubuntu?
[13:50] <bioterror> retku, gnome network-manager
[13:53] <retku> is it same that ubuntu uses?
[13:54] <bioterror> seems so
[13:57] <MrChrisDruif> LXDE uses gnome-network-manager? =-O *mind == blown*
[13:58] <bioterror> MrChrisDruif, tbh it's better than wicd
[13:58] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, but that it uses gnome stuff :)
[13:59] <bioterror> ...
[13:59] <bioterror> pcmanfm uses gvfs
[13:59] <bioterror> guess what the g stands for
[13:59] <MrChrisDruif> I think I can guess that ;)
[14:06] <retku> So how do I install lubuntu if I already have ubuntu?
[14:06] <Mkaysi> retku: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[14:06] <bioterror> Mkaysi, you forgot something
[14:07] <Mkaysi> bioterror: ?
[14:07] <bioterror> --no-install-recommends
[14:07] <Mkaysi> * sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop ?
[14:07] <Mkaysi> Ah, OK.
[14:07] <bioterror> hahaha
[14:08] <bioterror> removing ubuntu-desktop removes just a meta package :D
[14:08] <Mkaysi> MrChrisDruif: Lubuntu also uses gnome-system-tools
[14:09] <retku> i dont want to remove ubuntu
[14:10] <Mkaysi> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[14:12] <retku> and how do I remove lubuntu? (I just test it with this computer for to see if I install it to old computer)
[14:13] <bioterror> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[14:14] <retku> ok thanks, I'll try it out
[18:30] <Henflin> hi
[18:30] <mark76> Hello
[18:30] <Henflin> Is Xfceburn a good burning device or would you recommend me to use Nero burning ROM ?
[18:30] <mark76> Speak your brains
[18:31] <Henflin> thx mark76
[18:31] <mark76> What do you want to burn?
[18:32] <Henflin> Depends
[18:32] <Henflin> Mostly Data CD's , but sometimes some avi videos too
[18:33] <mark76> Yeah, it works well enough for data CDs
[18:33] <mark76> Dunno about video. Never had reason to do that
[18:33] <Henflin> Which archiv formats do Linux users mostly use? In windows I used mostly Zip or Rar formats.
[18:33] <Henflin> k thx
[18:33] <Kurdistan> henflin you can use rar/zip you name it
[18:34] <mark76> And tar
[18:34] <mark76> Lots of tar
[18:34] <mark76> Lots and lots of tar
[18:34] <Henflin> ah I see
[18:34] <Henflin> :)
[18:34] <Henflin> Why tar
[18:34] <Kurdistan> xarchiver do it for you but I need to install extra things
[18:34] <Henflin> DOes it have an advantage or is it just used too
[18:34] <Henflin> *to
[18:36] <mark76> It's just the default for Lubuntu
[18:36] <Henflin> I see
[18:37] <mark76> You could use file roller or Squeeze if you like
[18:37] <Henflin> well I think xarchivier is alread preinstalled in lubuntu 10.10
[18:37] <Henflin> that is why I stick on xarchivier
[18:38] <Kurdistan> there is a smaler bug in lubuntu 10.10 with xarchiver.
[18:38] <Kurdistan> I think to 11.04 they will replace it with file-roller
[18:38] <Henflin> what kind of bug
[18:39] <Kurdistan> henflin you can test it right away by extract i file you will understand. :)
[18:39] <Henflin> hehe
[18:40] <Henflin> I dont use chat messengers would you recommend me to deinstal Pidgin  ?
[18:41] <Kurdistan> I never use pidgin but I now many linux user love it.
[18:41] <Henflin> Can I deinstall the preinstalled Pidging throught the package manager synaptic?
[18:41] <Kurdistan> normaly I use gmail to chat/mail.
[18:41] <Henflin> I jsut use IRC
[18:41] <Henflin> :)
[18:41] <Kurdistan> but if I will use my old hotmail to chat I use aMSN.
[18:42] <Henflin> i use only email and irc :)
[18:42] <Kurdistan> irc rocks
[18:42] <Henflin> but pidgin is awesome for people who use different messengers
[18:42] <Henflin> yes
[18:42] <Kurdistan> henflin thats true.
[18:42] <Henflin> irc is the most competent chat
[18:43] <mark76> I use Chatzilla with BitlBee
[18:43] <Henflin> ye firefox addons are always fine
[18:43] <Henflin> does xpad support .txt files ?
[18:45] <Henflin> is mplayer sufficient for nice movies to watch . Which video player do you guys use ?
[18:45] <Kurdistan> I use vlc
[18:45] <Kurdistan> :P
[18:45] <Henflin> hehe
[18:46] <Kurdistan> mplayer from terminal is kind geeky but the best.
[18:46] <Henflin> did you deinstall mplayer or kept it kurdistan
[18:46] <Kurdistan> you me reinstall?
[18:46] <Henflin> why didnt you keep it when you think it is the best
[18:46] <Henflin> no deinstallation
[18:46] <Kurdistan> :) I have mplayer installed.
[18:46] <Henflin> why two players ?
[18:46] <Henflin> One is sufficient ^^
[18:47] <Kurdistan> :) I use ubuntu and lubuntu-core desktop.
[18:47] <Kurdistan> switch to both of them.
[18:47] <Kurdistan> I got tired of some things with clean installation of lubuntu 10.10
[18:47] <Henflin> what do you mean with clean installation?
[18:48] <Kurdistan> :) installation from lubuntu iso image.
[18:49] <Henflin> kurdistan
[18:49] <Kurdistan> thats me. :)
[18:50] <Henflin> but once you installed all programs you need there is no difference between ubuntu and lubuntu
[18:50] <Henflin> isnt?
[18:50] <Henflin> :)
[18:50] <Kurdistan> yes there is...
[18:50] <Henflin> Why ?
[18:50] <Henflin> Kurdistan so you have two linux distru on your hdd ?
[18:51] <Kurdistan> :) no need to say it again the devs know it.
[18:51] <Henflin> kurdistan does the preinstalled mplayer have all necessary formats like avi etc ?
[18:52] <Henflin> but I dont know it due iam not a dev :)
[18:52] <Henflin> Iam a newcomer to linux
[18:52] <Henflin> right now iam on a windows
[18:52] <Kurdistan> you can say it like that. If I want to use lubuntu-core (minimal lubuntu installation) I only log out and choose lubuntu desktop.
[18:52] <Kurdistan> I hate windows. not the right person to talk windows with. :)
[18:52] <Henflin> I see so you installed Lxga
[18:52] <Henflin> hehe
[18:53] <Henflin> why do you keep vlc? Only because of usabilty not format reasons?
[18:54] <Kurdistan> vlc <<--- format reason and plays well with sopcast
[18:54] <Kurdistan> veetle
[18:54] <Henflin> mark76 do you use evince or adobe reader?
[18:54] <Kurdistan> I need vlc to be installed to use sopcast/veetle
[18:54] <Kurdistan> evince.
[18:55] <mark76> I use the other one
[18:55] <Henflin> kurdistan why dont you deinstall mplayer then? One video/audio player is enough ?!
[18:55] <mark76> ePDFviewer
[18:55] <Henflin> why do you prefer ePDFviewer mark76?
[18:55] <Kurdistan> it comes with lubuntu
[18:55] <Kurdistan> :)
[18:56] <mark76> Because I do
[18:56] <Henflin> here it says evince comes with lubuntu
[18:56] <Henflin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Applications
[18:56] <Kurdistan> ePDFviewer is good. both is right now beter then adope bloated reader.
[18:56] <mark76> I don't really look at all that many pdfs
[18:57] <Henflin> kurdistan you said ePDFviewer comes with Lubuntu, but my source says different . Pls check the wikipedia article
[18:57] <Kurdistan> henflin sorry my bad.
[18:58] <Henflin> can mplayer play music files too?
[18:59] <Henflin> Because there is another programm called Aqualung on LUbuntu
[18:59] <mark76> Mplayer can play music files
[19:00] <Kurdistan> I dont like aqualung
[19:00] <Henflin> So there is no need for Aqualung
[19:00] <Henflin> I will deinstall it
[19:01] <mark76> I'm surprised that Scrot is listed as the screenshot tool. It doesn't even have a graphical  front end
[19:01] <Kurdistan> http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/  much better compare to ugly aqualung
[19:01] <Kurdistan> it is amarok based
[19:01] <Henflin> can you recommend me a TOol similar to MS Paint ?
[19:02] <mark76> No
[19:02] <Henflin> Kurdistan For what do I need Clementine when Mplayer can Play music files too?
[19:02] <mark76> I'm going to watch Primeval
[19:02] <mark76> BBL
[19:02] <Kurdistan> there is also ppa for clementine
[19:02] <Henflin> what is ppa
[19:02] <Henflin> ?
[19:03] <Kurdistan> :) I can look to movie with shotwell to with the new version
[19:03] <Kurdistan> why I have totem then
[19:03] <Kurdistan> ?
[19:03] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:03] <Kurdistan> :) I want it.
[19:03] <Henflin> I dont need the music listings
[19:03] <Henflin> ^^
[19:03] <Kurdistan> I have space for it.
[19:03] <Henflin> it is like itunes
[19:03] <Kurdistan> and clementine rocks compare to aqualung
[19:03] <Henflin> ye sure
[19:04] <Henflin> Can Xpad export .TXT files ??
[19:04] <Henflin> (LIke IN MS windows)
[19:04] <Henflin> *Notepad
[19:04] <Kurdistan> but with ubuntu I have the regular one. rhytmbox.
[19:05] <Henflin> what about notebpad
[19:05] <Henflin> do you have?
[19:05] <Henflin> Which graphic editor do you use?
[19:06] <pip__> Henflin: leafpad
[19:06] <Henflin> pip__ does leafpad support .txt files?
[19:06] <Henflin> ( i dont know which format is used in linux)
[19:07] <pip__> I think so. Its closer to notepad than xpad is
[19:07] <Henflin> I see
[19:07] <Henflin> Why do they put 3 notepads in Lubuntu?
[19:07] <pip__> you may have to add the .txt extension by hand
[19:07] <Henflin> ok that is np
[19:08] <Henflin> there is abiword , xword and leafpad
[19:08] <Henflin> Can I just deinstall abiword and xword pip__ ??
[19:08] <pip__> I see no reason not to
[19:08] <pip__> i find xpad useful though
[19:09] <Henflin> ok perfect
[19:09] <Henflin> I think for me one word editor is enough
[19:09] <Henflin> thx
[19:09] <pip__> abiword is more like MS word
[19:10] <pip__> whereas leafpad is like wordpad or notepad
[19:11] <Henflin> 1I see
[19:11] <Henflin> I think I will keep abiword and notepad
[19:11] <Henflin> but
[19:11] <Henflin> would you say
[19:11] <Henflin> Openoffice is ahead of abiword?
[19:11] <Kurdistan> henflin you mean leafpad?
[19:11] <pip__> yes I believe it is a little more powerful
[19:11] <Henflin> nah abiword
[19:12] <Henflin> Ok
[19:12] <Kurdistan> henflin the new libreoffice will kick ass.
[19:12] <Henflin> then I will deinstall abiword and install openoffice
[19:12] <pip__> but abiword will do all the basics
[19:12] <Henflin> Openoffice isnt preinstalled in Lubuntu 10.10 yesss??
[19:12] <Kurdistan> much faster then openoffice
[19:12] <Henflin> I see
[19:12] <pip__> correct
[19:12] <Henflin> hmm
[19:12] <Henflin> same formats?
[19:13] <pip__> Open Off is in synaptic so its easy to install
[19:13] <Kurdistan> you mean libreoffice?
[19:13] <Kurdistan> yes it is a openoffice fork.
[19:13] <pip__> I mean Open, is Libre available now?
[19:14] <Kurdistan> libre have there own ppa also
[19:14] <pip__> oh yeah it's in there
[19:14] <Kurdistan> but it is rc version
[19:14] <pip__> I may try that out myself
[19:14] <Henflin> I mean Openoffice
[19:14] <pip__> I'm running alpha anyway so.............
[19:14] <Henflin> so you would say openoffice is ahead of abiword but abiword is little faster
[19:14] <Henflin> yee
[19:14] <Henflin> ?
[19:15] <pip__> I don't know.  I do my stuff with Open
[19:15] <pip__> It works well for me
[19:15] <Henflin> open = openoffice?
[19:15] <pip__> yes
[19:15] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:15] <Henflin> I think I do the same
[19:15] <Kurdistan> henflin openoffice is more complete but abiword is good.
[19:15] <Henflin> and will deinsall abiword
[19:15] <Kurdistan> fast and light
[19:15] <Henflin> yes
[19:16] <Henflin> hnm
[19:16] <Henflin> Open Office isnt preinstalled in Lubuntu ??
[19:16] <Kurdistan> but the need of abiword will be much smaler when libreoffice stable release
[19:16] <Henflin> sudo apt-get Openoffice ?
[19:16] <Kurdistan> kick ass fast
[19:16] <pip__> nope, but it's in synaptic
[19:16] <Henflin> It is within synatpic ??
[19:16] <Kurdistan> sudo apt-get install openoffice
[19:16] <pip__> oh yeah, or apt-get
[19:16] <Henflin> Do I need to install the package or is it installed with synaptic??
[19:17] <pip__> open synaptic & search for open office
[19:17] <Henflin> good
[19:17] <Henflin> thx
[19:17] <pip__> click its checkbox
[19:17] <Henflin> ergo it is preinstalled ye
[19:18] <pip__> mark for install & accept any other stuff it needs
[19:18] <Henflin> AH ok
[19:18] <Henflin> pip__ wouldnt sudo apt-get install openoffice be faster ??? ^^
[19:18] <pip__> & then click the apply (green tick symbol)
[19:18] <pip__> It probably would be actually :)
[19:18] <Henflin> hehe :D)
[19:19] <Kurdistan> you can install from synaptic if you dont prefer terminal
[19:19] <Kurdistan> synaptic is more userfriendly for neewbies
[19:19] <Henflin> yep
[19:19] <pip__> I still use synaptic a lot
[19:19] <Henflin> I wont need to compile after having used apt-get install ??
[19:19] <pip__> noooooooooooo
[19:19] <Henflin> :)
[19:19] <Henflin> *lol*
[19:19] <Henflin> :D
[19:20] <Kurdistan> synaptic you only search for openoffice
[19:20] <Kurdistan> mark it
[19:20] <Kurdistan> then install it
[19:20] <Kurdistan> done
[19:20] <Henflin> ye sure
[19:20] <Henflin> pip__
[19:20] <Henflin> which pdf reader do u use?
[19:20] <Kurdistan> much easier to install things wit linux/buntu then windows
[19:20] <Henflin> btw
[19:20] <Kurdistan> henflin you asked us before
[19:20] <Henflin> yes
[19:20] <Henflin> but not pip__
[19:20] <pip__> I use document viewer which is installed by default
[19:21] <Henflin> :)
[19:21] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:21] <pip__> it just works
[19:21] <Henflin> pip__ i cant find it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu#Applications
[19:22] <pip__> yeh it doesn't show up in any menus
[19:22] <Kurdistan> henflin evince it the same document viewer
[19:22] <Henflin> kurdistan & pip__ I think I will get GIMP it is better than MFTPAiNT
[19:22] <Henflin> ah Ok
[19:22] <Henflin> soI just keep evince
[19:22] <pip__> GIMP is excellent
[19:22] <Henflin> will be fine
[19:23] <Henflin> hmm
[19:23] <pip__> doc viewer opens when you click on a pdf
[19:23] <Henflin> Now I have to worry about the codecs and stuff
[19:23] <Henflin> Xvid , flash , java   all of them not preinstalled yes ?
[19:23] <pip__> or it will ask you if you want to use it or something else you have installed
[19:23] <Kurdistan> :) its your computer and you can install what you want from wonderful world of opensource
[19:24] <pip__> If you're connected to the 'net while you install you'll get flash
[19:24] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:24] <bioterror> pip, you can install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:24] <Henflin> so I connect to internet and go to synaptic and install flash java etc
[19:24] <Henflin> ?
[19:24] <Henflin> bioterror where do I find restricted extras .. within synaptic??
[19:25] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:25] <Henflin> super thx
[19:25] <bioterror> if i remember right
[19:25] <pip__> thanx bioterror thats good to know
[19:25] <Henflin> if I wouldnt be connected to Internet
[19:25] <Henflin> it wouldnt work right ?
[19:25] <pip__> or look in synptic?
[19:25] <pip__> you wouldn't get the 3rd party stuff
[19:26] <pip__> like flash, but u can add it later
[19:26] <Henflin> i see
[19:26] <Henflin> but only via internet connection ye?
[19:26] <pip__> yeah
[19:26] <Henflin> :)
[19:26] <bioterror> you should get flash and stugg from that meta package
[19:26] <Henflin> good
[19:26] <bioterror> stuff
[19:26] <Henflin> java included too?
[19:26] <bioterror> not so sure
[19:26] <Henflin> mhm
[19:27] <bioterror> you have openjdk by default
[19:27] <pip__> haha, I was gonna ask u bioterror :)
[19:27] <Henflin> xvid is nothttp://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:27] <Henflin> xvid isnt within that package
[19:27] <bioterror> if you want propietary java, remove first openjdk\* and icedtea
[19:27] <Henflin> can i install xvid with synaptic too ?
[19:28] <pip__> I'm not sure
[19:28] <bioterror> and then sun-java6-bin,jre,plugin,fonts
[19:28] <Henflin> bioterror is java preinstalled with openjdk ?
[19:28] <Henflin> * with lubuntu
[19:29] <bioterror> Henflin, ive never used synaptiv for installing. only used it for getting few repos active
[19:29] <bioterror> and
[19:29] <Henflin> i see
[19:29] <bioterror> propietary java is found from canonical partners repository
[19:29] <Henflin> where do I find the list of apt-get
[19:29] <Henflin> ?
[19:29] <Henflin> ^^
[19:29] <bioterror> you have to checkmark that box from synaptics
[19:29] <Henflin> there I must find all available packages
[19:30] <Henflin> are there actually packages which are not to find with apt-get ??
[19:30] <bioterror> or edit /etc/apt/sources.something
[19:30] <Henflin> some customized programs which are not so common?
[19:30] <bioterror> mmm
[19:30] <bioterror> im trying to say this
[19:30] <Henflin> thx
[19:30] <bioterror> just a moment
[19:30] <Henflin> I just put this in shell edit /etc/apt/sources.something
[19:31] <Henflin> and see als the apt-get list
[19:31] <Henflin> :)
[19:31] <Kurdistan> henflin if you want some thing like ms paint try out pinta
[19:31] <Kurdistan> lighter then gimp
[19:31] <bioterror> ubuntu is a distribution which uses free/opensource software
[19:31] <Kurdistan> but not good like gimp
[19:31] <Henflin> k thx
[19:32] <bioterror> and if you want to use closed and propietary software, you have to enable canonical partners repository and probably add medibuntu if you want to rip dvds
[19:32] <Kurdistan> only bad part with pinta it is mono
[19:32] <Henflin> Bioterror What is the difference betewen  the preinstalled opensource JAVA/ openJDK * and icetea vs the proprietary java ?
[19:33] <Henflin> I bet it works the same
[19:33] <bioterror> henflin, honestly that suns propietary java works and openjdk does not
[19:33] <Henflin> haha
[19:33] <Henflin> :D
[19:34] <Henflin> is openjdk 100% preinstalle din LUbuntu 1010
[19:34] <Henflin> ?
[19:34] <bioterror> you can check my banks website
[19:34] <bioterror> http://verkkopankki.sampopankki.fi/
[19:34] <bioterror> that login applet works only with propietary java
[19:35] <bioterror> no chances wif openjdk
[19:36] <bioterror> and no, im not going to change bank bevouse my studen loans are in there :D
[19:36] <bioterror> sowwy fow typos, using phone for ircing
[19:36] <pip__> :)
[19:38] <pip__> Kurdistan: pinta looks ok to me
[19:38] <bioterror> Henflin, you cant use both javas on one machine at the same time
[19:38] <bioterror> one at the time
[19:43] <bioterror> is there anything else in your minds
[19:44] <Henflin> sry I was afk
[19:44] <Henflin> hehe lol bioterror ^^
[19:44] <Henflin> ok
[19:44] <Henflin> but the restricted extra package has the prpietary java
[19:44] <Henflin> that means
[19:44] <Henflin> I have to deinstall openJDK first
[19:44] <bioterror> nope
[19:44] <Henflin> nope?
[19:44] <Henflin> sec
[19:45] <bioterror> you have to enable partners repository from synaptic
[19:45] <bioterror> then you can install propietary java
[19:45] <Henflin> ah you are right
[19:45] <Henflin> it uses icetea
[19:46] <Henflin> so shouldnt I install extrarestricted package
[19:46] <bioterror> you can install sun-java6-jre,bin,plugin aand then remove the opensource java
[19:46] <bioterror> you should
[19:46] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:46] <Henflin> and afterwards I deinstall via synaptic opensource java
[19:46] <Henflin> goo
[19:46] <Henflin> good
[19:47] <Henflin> ARe there nice themes for lubuntu?
[19:48] <Henflin> I couldnt find any in google
[19:48] <Henflin> * like an windows 7 theme for lubunut1010
[19:48] <Henflin> :)
[19:49] <Henflin> bioterror scrot sucks ?
[19:50] <pip__> I'm going home, catch y'all later guys - good luck Henflin
[19:50] <bioterror> i use scrot for screenshots
[19:50] <Henflin> thanks pip__ see you
[19:50] <Henflin> screenshots while being on internet sites ? Or can I use the screenshot function only in shell
[19:51] <bioterror> press printscreen
[19:51] <Henflin> ah the button on my keyborn?
[19:51] <bioterror> you will get file to root of your home
[19:51] <Henflin> *board
[19:51] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:51] <Henflin> bioterror do you have a them?
[19:51] <Henflin> *theme
[19:52] <bioterror> i use the dafault
[19:52] <Henflin> or would you say themes make lubuntu lamer?
[19:52] <Henflin> ok
[19:52] <bioterror> nope
[19:52] <Henflin> how to change the wallpaper?
[19:52] <bioterror> right click on desktop?
[19:52] <bioterror> like in windows
[19:52] <Henflin> yes
[19:52] <Henflin> I think I will keep the default too
[19:52] <Henflin> ah ok similar to windows
[19:52] <Henflin> thx
[19:53] <Henflin> I havent installed lubuntu yet
[19:53] <Henflin> I just wanted to gather informations before I start
[19:53] <Henflin> that I wont get frustrated
[19:53] <Henflin> thank you very much
[19:53] <Henflin> for all those infos
[19:53] <Henflin> :)
[19:53] <bioterror> okay
[19:53] <bioterror> install it :D
[19:53] <bioterror> you wont regret
[19:54] <bioterror> or you will
[19:54] <bioterror> depends on your attitude
[19:54] <bioterror> hmmm
[19:54] <bioterror> just a moment
[19:54] <Henflin> ok
[19:55] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/conky.png
[19:55] <bioterror> my laptop with lubuntu
[19:57] <Henflin> nice
[19:57] <Henflin> uptime 5 day 22 hr *lol*
[19:57] <Henflin> :)
[19:57] <Henflin> what does mean file system ext4 ?
[19:58] <Henflin> ah ok
[19:58] <bioterror> !filesystem
[19:58] <Henflin> I understood
[19:58] <bioterror> worth of checking out
[19:58] <bioterror> is lubuntu going to be your first linux experiment?
[19:59] <Henflin> yes
[19:59] <bioterror> okay
[20:00] <bioterror> you have never used a *nix account remotely or anything?
[20:00] <Henflin> nah I didnt
[20:01] <bioterror> okay
[20:01] <Henflin> In windows I cant delete the folders within the /home folder
[20:01] <bioterror> you know basic commands and stuff?
[20:01] <Henflin> in Linux I can do this ye ? ^^
[20:01] <Henflin> a little
[20:01] <bioterror> !cli
[20:01] <Henflin> once I tested a live CD with linux
[20:02] <bioterror> !sudo
[20:02] <bioterror> something to read before you install
[20:02] <Henflin>  /usr seems to be equal to programs in windows
[20:02] <bioterror> nope
[20:03] <Henflin> "/usr contains the majority of user utilities and applications"
[20:03] <Henflin> in windows all applications are in folder /programs
[20:05] <Henflin>  /mnt is similar to demon tools
[20:05] <Henflin> :)
[20:05] <bioterror> mnt is just a place where you mount random stuff with mount/umount command
[20:05] <Henflin> but in windows mounted devices are placed in "mycomputer"
[20:06] <Henflin> would that be equal to /mnt folder?
[20:06] <bioterror> in ubuntu they go to /media
[20:06] <Henflin> hmm
[20:06] <Henflin> why so many virtual file system placeS?
[20:06] <bioterror> in windows mounted drives gets alphabetical name
[20:06] <Henflin>  /proc = /mnt = /media ??
[20:06] <Henflin> yes
[20:07] <Henflin>  a: d:
[20:07] <Henflin> all shown in "my computer"
[20:07] <bioterror> in nixes they are just in places
[20:07] <bioterror> actually
[20:07] <Henflin>  /bin = system32 in windows
[20:07] <bioterror> windows has a feature that you can format drive to a certain directory
[20:08] <Henflin> what means nixes
[20:08] <bioterror> unixes linuxes
[20:08] <Henflin> ah ok
[20:08] <bioterror> *nix
[20:08] <bioterror> i was just lazy :D
[20:09] <Henflin> ^^
[20:09] <Henflin> so mounted files can be in /proc in /mnt annd in /media ??
[20:09] <Henflin> like test.iso
[20:09] <Henflin> after mounting it will be in one of those 3
[20:09] <Henflin> ?
[20:09] <Henflin> :)
[20:10] <bioterror> no
[20:10] <bioterror> proc has information about your computer
[20:10] <Henflin> btw can I delete the folders in /home i.e. the folder "template" , "videos", "public" , "music" ?
[20:10] <Henflin> ah ok
[20:11] <bioterror> sure you
[20:11] <bioterror> but not else where
[20:11] <Henflin> something similar like /proc doesnt exist in windows tho
[20:11] <bioterror> nope
[20:12] <bioterror> ive got a script that checks from my /proc cpu speeds
[20:12] <Henflin> bioterror if I would delete something elsewhere like /etc /bin I would need to customize the kernel to take effect ?
[20:12] <bioterror> i know whats the demand for the usage
[20:12] <Henflin> thats cool
[20:12] <bioterror> no
[20:13] <bioterror> and youre not going to delete anything from there without using sudo
[20:13] <Henflin> so there is no possibilty to delete folders there ??
[20:13] <Henflin> ah ok
[20:13] <Henflin> bioterror if a malecious file is executed by mistake on my computer it will be able to use sudo too to make bad effects ??
[20:14] <bioterror> if you run it as super user
[20:14] <Henflin> ah ok
[20:14] <Henflin> so I should always run things i dont know as a normal user
[20:14] <bioterror> otherwise if you try to execute it as a normal user, it cant do anything
[20:14] <Henflin> if I installl a program I need to install via super user dont I
[20:15] <bioterror> technically you get everything from the ubuntu repositories
[20:15] <Henflin> yep
[20:16] <Henflin> in windows 7 i need to run some files "as adminstrator" otherwise some programs wouldnt run correctly
[20:16] <bioterror> yes
[20:16] <bioterror> but now im off, my daughter sleeps
[20:16] <Henflin> ok
[20:16] <Henflin> thank you a lot
[20:17] <Henflin> Have a nice weekend
[20:17] <Henflin> good night
[20:17] <Henflin> you made me understand linux :)
[22:13] <gnewb> Hello