[00:03] <Technoviking> everyone have a great weekend
[00:04] <czajkowski> Technoviking: you too
[00:51] <czajkowski> Pendulum: love how michelles status gets hijacked :)
[00:51] <duanedesign> did someone mention bacon and syrup, mmmmmmmmm :)
[00:52] <duanedesign> http://drool.popey.com/
[00:52] <popey> heh
[00:54] <czajkowski> trust me that is not the face popey makes when he tastes bacon and syrup
[00:54] <czajkowski> more the face of  a 4 year old being forced to eat their greens
[01:23] <jono> akgraner, mind putting up http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/01/22/making-ubuntu-more-personal-identify-contributions-to-engage-more-personally/ on ubuntu-news?
[01:24] <akgraner> jono okie dokie - don't mind at all
[01:41] <jono> thanks akgraner :-)
[01:59] <akgraner> jono it's posted- http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/01/22/making-ubuntu-more-personal-identify-contributions-to-engage-more-personally/
[02:03] <doctormo> akgraner: the article says it's by you, are you not allowed to change it to jono?
[02:03] <akgraner> at the bottom it says where it's originally posted
[02:04] <akgraner> the by is the editor who posts it - nothing new there
[02:04] <akgraner> the old Fridge was the same way
[02:04] <akgraner> this way we know who posted it at a glance
[02:05] <akgraner> :-)
[02:06] <doctormo> akgraner: Aye I see
[02:06] <doctormo> akgraner: How are you by the way? We haven't talked in a while.
[02:06] <akgraner> I know, I've missed talking to you...
[02:07] <akgraner> Fine - Still living at home with my parents  - I should put cameras up - its not the Walton's we are way more funnier here...
[02:08] <akgraner> New House should be ready by end of February or first of March..
[02:08] <akgraner> seem like forever but it in reality it will only be about 5 months
[02:16] <doctormo> akgraner: It sounds like things are getting back on track, which is good.
[02:17] <jono> thanks akgraner!
[02:17] <doctormo> I've been busy with various projects, I might even be starting a business. None tech related, we'll see how to research pans out.
[02:17] <akgraner> doctormo, yeppers...
[02:17] <akgraner> doctormo, really?
[02:18] <akgraner> is it non-tech non-open source or still tied to open source somehow?
[02:18] <doctormo> akgraner: Yea, turns out that will all my graphics and design, web experience etc I make a good business partner ;-)
[02:18] <akgraner> :-) nice!
[02:18] <doctormo> Well it's non-technical as in not involving computers. Except for making websites I guess.
[02:19] <doctormo> then again computers havent exactly given me a way to get a job. Which is why I'm being more open about the kinds of jobs I should explore.
[02:19] <akgraner> gotcha
[02:20] <doctormo> Funny, one of my friends who read my horror short story said I should go into tech writing. heh
[02:20] <akgraner> Good Luck - you gotta keep us informed it's always fun to see what everyone is doing and working on
[02:20] <akgraner> hehe
[02:23] <doctormo> akgraner: Thanks :-) will let you know if it stays on track. Might be fun to do my own biz for a change.
[08:10] <doctormo> pleia2, evilvish: Hey guys.
[08:10]  * evilvish waits for pleia2 too..
[08:48]  * popey tickles doctormo 
[09:36]  * doctormo tickles popey's ipad
[09:36] <popey> I don't think Steve would like that.
[11:15] <duanedesign> hello all
[14:18] <paultag> hello, world
[14:41] <doctormo> hello paultag's world
[14:42] <paultag> hey doctormo
[16:02] <pleia2> doctormo: you about?
[16:03] <pleia2> replying to your email
[16:15] <doctormo> pleia2: thanks
[16:17]  * duanedesign waves at pleia2 l
[16:17] <pleia2> g'day duanedesign :)
[16:37] <doctormo> pleia2: Thanks for your response, I think it's the directory that's the issue
[16:37] <pleia2> hmm
[16:38] <pleia2> ah, the apache2 directory
[16:38] <pleia2> doctormo: try now?
[16:39] <doctormo> pleia2: Confirmed working.
[16:40] <pleia2> great
[17:15]  * duanedesign waves at doctormo 
[17:15]  * doctormo mexican waves at duanedesign
[17:16] <duanedesign> was just having a cup of tea ;)
[17:19] <doctormo> a good cup of tea? or one of those teas from  America? ;-)
[17:23] <duanedesign> doctormo: no no, none of that. I am a graduate of "Doctormo's Impromptu UDS Tea Class"
[17:23] <doctormo> What'cha havin?
[17:25] <duanedesign> doctormo: PG Tips
[17:25] <jcastro> hi!
[17:25] <doctormo> Nice, duanedesign, got any Yorkshire yet? they've started selling it here in all sorts of places.
[17:25] <doctormo> hey jcastro
[17:26] <duanedesign> doctormo: i almost got some last time I was at the store. Was a little unsure about the difference in Red and Gold?
[17:34] <doctormo> duanedesign: Not much, get the gold if you can. Try both.
[17:34] <doctormo> duanedesign: Because if PG Tips is a solid 5 out of 10, Yorkshire is a good 8.
[17:36] <doctormo> Twinings and Tetleys gets only 3 IMO. While if liptons wasn't disqualified from being tea, it'd get a -1
[17:37] <duanedesign> lol
[17:54] <jcastro> akgraner: don't forget to accept that person's answer if it answers your question
[21:16] <doctormo> Why is glade always broken in Ubuntu? With 10.10 it won't do liststores (crashes) I guess it needs testing more...
[21:40] <JanC> glade doesn't crash when adding a liststore here?
[21:52] <doctormo> JanC: I nailed it down, it crashes when you drag the un-created column row,
[21:52] <doctormo> Something that would only happy to people using a wacom tablet like me
[21:52] <doctormo> Since dragging happens all the time by accident due to small variations in pen position when clicking.
[21:56] <doctormo> Thanks for checking it out though JanC, much appricated
[22:06] <JanC> right, I can reproduce that with the mouse too
[22:07] <JanC> and sounds like exactly the sort of thing that "never" gets tested...
[22:10] <JanC> doctormo: if you have a bug #, I also tested in natty, and it crashes there too
[22:10] <doctormo> JanC: I don't, go ahead and make one for me and I'll give you a cookie.
[22:13] <JanC> bah, approt doesn't want to help  :-(
[22:13] <JanC> apport
[22:52] <JanC> doctormo: feel free to "me-too", add info, etc. to bug #706432
[22:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706432 in glade-3 "glade crashes if you drag the "< define a new column >" row of List Stores when no columns are defined yet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706432
[23:12] <doctormo> JanC: As promised: http://imagebin.org/133911
[23:12] <doctormo> have a cookie
[23:12] <JanC> thanks  ☺
[23:13]  * JanC stores cookie away for when he has coffee
[23:15] <doctormo> It's probably redeemable at uds for some of those hi-tech 3D cookies too.
[23:26] <paultag> cookies?
[23:26] <paultag> where
[23:28] <doctormo> paultag: http://imagebin.org/133911
[23:29] <pleia2> paultag: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5235347430
[23:29] <pleia2> man, those were good
[23:29] <paultag> awwww
[23:29] <paultag> pleia2: I was JUST about to post that :D
[23:29] <pleia2> :)
[23:29] <paultag> pleia2: that was a fun day :)
[23:29] <pleia2> yeah it was
[23:30] <paultag> pleia2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5215123278/in/set-72157625409812461/#/   :)
[23:30] <paultag> doctormo: looks so uncomfortable
[23:30] <pleia2> yay us!
[23:30] <doctormo> super secrete OH+MA+PA cookies away!
[23:30] <pleia2> yeah well he's british
[23:30] <paultag> doctormo: sed s/PA/CA/g
[23:30] <paultag> doctormo: AWAY!
[23:31] <doctormo> pleia2: Nah, I'm internalized. My interpersonal emulator isn't perfect so certain situations still cause more crashes than wine.
[23:31] <pleia2> hehe
[23:31] <doctormo> That's the look of a weird crash error on my internal command line ;-)
[23:33] <doctormo> pleia2, paultag: what are you two up to today?
[23:33] <paultag> doctormo: you, sir, are a rampant nutjob
[23:33] <paultag> doctormo: just working on some fluxboxen' loven'
[23:33] <paultag> doctormo: getting some patches upstream, and rebuilding for an update
[23:34] <paultag> fixes a NX issue causing 100% CPU load and ah hard crash
[23:34] <pleia2> I'm on call this weekend, so some work stuff, some cleaning up of my inbox and blog-things, user days is in a week so have some things there
[23:34] <paultag> a *
[23:34] <doctormo> paultag: ahem, I sir am a salient nut job.
[23:34] <paultag> pleia2: wooo!
[23:34] <paultag> pleia2: I'm exited to *watch* this time ;)
[23:34] <paultag> doctormo: senile *
[23:34] <pleia2> paultag: haha, I somehow volunteered to do one again, not sure how that happened
[23:34] <paultag> p	;)
[23:34] <paultag> pleia2: ;)
[23:34] <doctormo> pleia2: Where you in a room of people all saying how someone else will lead?
[23:35] <paultag> pleia2: I needed a break this cycle from that role :)
[23:35] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, everyone took a step back and I wasn't paying attention ;)
[23:35] <doctormo> paultag, pleia2: want to try a quick python app for me? It'll be fun.
[23:35] <paultag> doctormo: sure, man
[23:35] <pleia2> I'm on my hardy system at the moment
[23:36] <doctormo> grab lp:bugbear, might even work on hardy... maybe. and run './create_issue.py'
[23:36] <pleia2> k
[23:37] <doctormo> I think it'd be gtkbuilder that'd fall over on hardy, because it might be too out of date to glade up the interface.
[23:37] <paultag> doctormo: hardy had glade3 iirc
[23:37] <paultag> or that was in intrepid
[23:37] <paultag> I can't recall
[23:38] <paultag> doctormo: dude, yaml, ouch
[23:38] <JanC> glade 3 has changed a lot over time
[23:38] <doctormo> paultag: It's a lingering dep
[23:38] <paultag> doctormo: json is native iirc, and is much nicer imho
[23:38] <paultag> JanC: yeah, it has
[23:38] <doctormo> json? javascript, you're as bad as all those gnome freaks with their couchdbs. ;-)
[23:38] <paultag> JanC: glade 1 and 2 both created code files, wich was lame. I'm glad it's using XML now, even if XML is gross
[23:39] <pleia2> Version: 2.12.2-0ubuntu1
[23:39] <paultag> doctormo: dude, you're like a kid who hears the word veggie and freaks out
[23:39] <JanC> well, creating code is fien if it can read code back too  ;)
[23:39] <paultag> doctormo: json has nothing to do with javascript other then markup
[23:39] <JanC> s/fien/fine/
[23:39] <paultag> JanC: :)
[23:39] <doctormo> paultag: I'm happy with yaml, it's nice and editable. I actually prefer it over xml and json.
[23:39] <JanC> paultag: that's what .NET IDEs do BTW
[23:40] <paultag> JanC: so gross
[23:40] <paultag> doctormo: that's a dirty boldfaced lie
[23:40] <doctormo> paultag: Nu-uh, best thing there is for configs.
[23:40] <paultag> doctormo: I'm missing gtkme, what package is it, do you know?
[23:40] <JanC> but I guess it's easier to read code back with C# than with glorified machine code like C  ;)
[23:40] <paultag> doctormo: json? Yeah, I agree
[23:40] <doctormo> Ah right, this is why I got you guys to test :-)
[23:40] <paultag> JanC: truth
[23:41] <JanC> and macros don't help either
[23:41] <paultag> not at all
[23:41] <doctormo> paultag: yaml
[23:41] <paultag> doctormo: json? yeah I agree
[23:41] <paultag> doctormo: what package is python-gtkme ?
[23:41] <pleia2> bzr: ERROR: Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'
[23:41] <pleia2> man, hardy is all kinds of fail today :)
[23:41] <paultag> pleia2: awwwww :)
[23:41]  * pleia2 pets her little netbook
[23:42] <paultag> Wooohoo! My headache's gone!
[23:42] <pleia2> yay!
[23:43] <doctormo> pleia2: thanks for trying.
[23:44] <pleia2> still trying! needing python-yaml
[23:44] <paultag> doctormo: hey, lameface! I need gtkme :)
[23:44] <pleia2> and that
[23:44] <paultag> doctormo: what package should I apt-get ?
[23:44] <doctormo> paultag: you'll need https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/ppa and it's version 0.8.4 which I'm just uploading now, so you might have to hold onto your pants for a second.
[23:45] <paultag> doctormo: cheers ;)
[23:45] <doctormo> paultag: or just grab lp:~doctormo/doctormo-random/gtkme/ and slap it in the same dir as the script.
[23:46] <paultag> doctormo: I forgot you wrote that abstraction layer
[23:46] <doctormo> paultag: It's a good layer, I've had a lot of fun with it.
[23:46] <paultag> doctormo: aye
[23:48] <paultag> doctormo: fwiw -- cp ../gtkme/lib/gtkme/ ./ -r
[23:48] <doctormo> paultag: In the end a lot of the clever bits should go into quickly. But Rick Spensor has that very serious sort of 'stop bothering me with junk' vibe.
[23:48] <paultag> doctormo: what about xsdvalidate ?
[23:48] <paultag> doctormo: yeah, for sure
[23:48]  * doctormo facepalms
[23:48] <doctormo> Yea I put xsdvalidate deps into gtkme, forgot about that.
[23:49] <pleia2> hm, what glib module?
[23:51] <paultag> pleia2: humm?
[23:51] <pleia2>   File "/home/elizabeth/bugbear/gtkme/__init__.py", line 25, in <module>
[23:51] <pleia2>     import glib
[23:51] <pleia2> ImportError: No module named glib
[23:52] <doctormo> paultag: lp:~doctormo/doctormo-random/xsdvalidate
[23:52] <paultag> pleia2: interesting error
[23:52] <doctormo> pleia2: I think you need python-gtk
[23:52] <JanC> so, doctormo's glade crasher is reported in GNOME bugzilla too...
[23:53] <doctormo> nice JanC :-)
[23:53] <pleia2> doctormo: which does not exist in hardy! I think I'll stop now :)
[23:53] <JanC> or python-gobject
[23:53] <pleia2> I should upgrade my netbook someday
[23:53] <doctormo> pleia2: at least to 10.04
[23:53] <paultag> doctormo: OK, I have a GUI up
[23:53] <paultag> doctormo: should I report a dummy issue, or will it clot up launchpad?
[23:54] <doctormo> paultag: It prints to stdout, don't worry
[23:54] <paultag> doctormo: roger
[23:54] <pleia2> doctormo: forgive my sysadminness, when it's working and not EOLed upgrades make me wince ;)
[23:54] <doctormo> pleia2: hardy only has 4 months for EOL
[23:54] <paultag> doctormo: We're done: {'fixed': False, 'type': 'desktop', 'name': "I don't muchly care for Windows", 'critical': 2}
[23:54] <doctormo> paultag: nice, now report a device issue
[23:55] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I'll need to get on it soon
[23:55] <paultag> We're done: {'device': {'device': 'usb:046d:08da', 'name': 'Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Messanger', 'subclass': '2 Streaming', 'class': '1 Audio'}, 'fixed': False, 'type': 'dev', 'name': 'My webcam is slow as all hell', 'critical': 2}
[23:55] <paultag> doctormo: well done :)
[23:56] <doctormo> paultag: See what I did there :-P there are some other trees too, like if you mark as manually fixed or select "Other not listed device"
[23:56] <paultag> doctormo: very nice!
[23:57] <paultag> doctormo: great :)
[23:57] <paultag> doctormo: How are you plotting to use this?
[23:57] <paultag> doctormo: I like how simple it is to report a bug
[23:58] <doctormo> paultag: I'm going to make a video ranting about how issues are not bugs.
[23:58] <paultag> doctormo: now just make that a frontend for `reportbug' and I'll be a happy guy :)
[23:58] <paultag> doctormo: it's a bug that we have to address them ;)
[23:58] <doctormo> But I don't think I'll have the data go directly to launchpad bugs, I need it to go to a middle stage first.
[23:58] <paultag> doctormo: the sourceforge approach?
[23:59] <paultag> doctormo: there are bugs, feature requests, support requests sort of thing?
[23:59] <doctormo> See issues are to track what a user sees as issues, bugs are confirmed problems in code. It's perfectly valid for a user to have an issue with something the developer thinks is fine.
[23:59] <doctormo> user centric