[00:03] everyone have a great weekend [00:04] Technoviking: you too [00:51] Pendulum: love how michelles status gets hijacked :) [00:51] did someone mention bacon and syrup, mmmmmmmmm :) [00:52] http://drool.popey.com/ [00:52] heh [00:54] trust me that is not the face popey makes when he tastes bacon and syrup [00:54] more the face of a 4 year old being forced to eat their greens [01:23] akgraner, mind putting up http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/01/22/making-ubuntu-more-personal-identify-contributions-to-engage-more-personally/ on ubuntu-news? [01:24] jono okie dokie - don't mind at all [01:41] thanks akgraner :-) [01:59] jono it's posted- http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/01/22/making-ubuntu-more-personal-identify-contributions-to-engage-more-personally/ [02:03] akgraner: the article says it's by you, are you not allowed to change it to jono? [02:03] at the bottom it says where it's originally posted [02:04] the by is the editor who posts it - nothing new there [02:04] the old Fridge was the same way [02:04] this way we know who posted it at a glance [02:05] :-) [02:06] akgraner: Aye I see [02:06] akgraner: How are you by the way? We haven't talked in a while. [02:06] I know, I've missed talking to you... [02:07] Fine - Still living at home with my parents - I should put cameras up - its not the Walton's we are way more funnier here... [02:08] New House should be ready by end of February or first of March.. [02:08] seem like forever but it in reality it will only be about 5 months [02:16] akgraner: It sounds like things are getting back on track, which is good. [02:17] thanks akgraner! [02:17] I've been busy with various projects, I might even be starting a business. None tech related, we'll see how to research pans out. [02:17] doctormo, yeppers... [02:17] doctormo, really? [02:18] is it non-tech non-open source or still tied to open source somehow? [02:18] akgraner: Yea, turns out that will all my graphics and design, web experience etc I make a good business partner ;-) [02:18] :-) nice! [02:18] Well it's non-technical as in not involving computers. Except for making websites I guess. [02:19] then again computers havent exactly given me a way to get a job. Which is why I'm being more open about the kinds of jobs I should explore. [02:19] gotcha [02:20] Funny, one of my friends who read my horror short story said I should go into tech writing. heh [02:20] Good Luck - you gotta keep us informed it's always fun to see what everyone is doing and working on [02:20] hehe [02:23] akgraner: Thanks :-) will let you know if it stays on track. Might be fun to do my own biz for a change. [08:10] pleia2, evilvish: Hey guys. [08:10] * evilvish waits for pleia2 too.. [08:48] * popey tickles doctormo [09:36] * doctormo tickles popey's ipad [09:36] I don't think Steve would like that. [11:15] hello all [14:18] hello, world [14:41] hello paultag's world [14:42] hey doctormo [16:02] doctormo: you about? [16:03] replying to your email [16:15] pleia2: thanks [16:17] * duanedesign waves at pleia2 l [16:17] g'day duanedesign :) [16:37] pleia2: Thanks for your response, I think it's the directory that's the issue [16:37] hmm [16:38] ah, the apache2 directory [16:38] doctormo: try now? [16:39] pleia2: Confirmed working. [16:40] great [17:15] * duanedesign waves at doctormo [17:15] * doctormo mexican waves at duanedesign [17:16] was just having a cup of tea ;) [17:19] a good cup of tea? or one of those teas from America? ;-) [17:23] doctormo: no no, none of that. I am a graduate of "Doctormo's Impromptu UDS Tea Class" [17:23] What'cha havin? [17:25] doctormo: PG Tips [17:25] hi! [17:25] Nice, duanedesign, got any Yorkshire yet? they've started selling it here in all sorts of places. [17:25] hey jcastro [17:26] doctormo: i almost got some last time I was at the store. Was a little unsure about the difference in Red and Gold? [17:34] duanedesign: Not much, get the gold if you can. Try both. [17:34] duanedesign: Because if PG Tips is a solid 5 out of 10, Yorkshire is a good 8. [17:36] Twinings and Tetleys gets only 3 IMO. While if liptons wasn't disqualified from being tea, it'd get a -1 [17:37] lol [17:54] akgraner: don't forget to accept that person's answer if it answers your question [21:16] Why is glade always broken in Ubuntu? With 10.10 it won't do liststores (crashes) I guess it needs testing more... [21:40] glade doesn't crash when adding a liststore here? [21:52] JanC: I nailed it down, it crashes when you drag the un-created column row, [21:52] Something that would only happy to people using a wacom tablet like me [21:52] Since dragging happens all the time by accident due to small variations in pen position when clicking. [21:56] Thanks for checking it out though JanC, much appricated [22:06] right, I can reproduce that with the mouse too [22:07] and sounds like exactly the sort of thing that "never" gets tested... [22:10] doctormo: if you have a bug #, I also tested in natty, and it crashes there too [22:10] JanC: I don't, go ahead and make one for me and I'll give you a cookie. [22:13] bah, approt doesn't want to help :-( [22:13] apport [22:52] doctormo: feel free to "me-too", add info, etc. to bug #706432 [22:52] Launchpad bug 706432 in glade-3 "glade crashes if you drag the "< define a new column >" row of List Stores when no columns are defined yet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706432 [23:12] JanC: As promised: http://imagebin.org/133911 [23:12] have a cookie [23:12] thanks ☺ [23:13] * JanC stores cookie away for when he has coffee [23:15] It's probably redeemable at uds for some of those hi-tech 3D cookies too. [23:26] cookies? [23:26] where [23:28] paultag: http://imagebin.org/133911 [23:29] paultag: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5235347430 [23:29] man, those were good [23:29] awwww [23:29] pleia2: I was JUST about to post that :D [23:29] :) [23:29] pleia2: that was a fun day :) [23:29] yeah it was [23:30] pleia2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5215123278/in/set-72157625409812461/#/ :) [23:30] doctormo: looks so uncomfortable [23:30] yay us! [23:30] super secrete OH+MA+PA cookies away! [23:30] yeah well he's british [23:30] doctormo: sed s/PA/CA/g [23:30] doctormo: AWAY! [23:31] pleia2: Nah, I'm internalized. My interpersonal emulator isn't perfect so certain situations still cause more crashes than wine. [23:31] hehe [23:31] That's the look of a weird crash error on my internal command line ;-) [23:33] pleia2, paultag: what are you two up to today? [23:33] doctormo: you, sir, are a rampant nutjob [23:33] doctormo: just working on some fluxboxen' loven' [23:33] doctormo: getting some patches upstream, and rebuilding for an update [23:34] fixes a NX issue causing 100% CPU load and ah hard crash [23:34] I'm on call this weekend, so some work stuff, some cleaning up of my inbox and blog-things, user days is in a week so have some things there [23:34] a * [23:34] paultag: ahem, I sir am a salient nut job. [23:34] pleia2: wooo! [23:34] pleia2: I'm exited to *watch* this time ;) [23:34] doctormo: senile * [23:34] paultag: haha, I somehow volunteered to do one again, not sure how that happened [23:34] p ;) [23:34] pleia2: ;) [23:34] pleia2: Where you in a room of people all saying how someone else will lead? [23:35] pleia2: I needed a break this cycle from that role :) [23:35] doctormo: yeah, everyone took a step back and I wasn't paying attention ;) [23:35] paultag, pleia2: want to try a quick python app for me? It'll be fun. [23:35] doctormo: sure, man [23:35] I'm on my hardy system at the moment [23:36] grab lp:bugbear, might even work on hardy... maybe. and run './create_issue.py' [23:36] k [23:37] I think it'd be gtkbuilder that'd fall over on hardy, because it might be too out of date to glade up the interface. [23:37] doctormo: hardy had glade3 iirc [23:37] or that was in intrepid [23:37] I can't recall [23:38] doctormo: dude, yaml, ouch [23:38] glade 3 has changed a lot over time [23:38] paultag: It's a lingering dep [23:38] doctormo: json is native iirc, and is much nicer imho [23:38] JanC: yeah, it has [23:38] json? javascript, you're as bad as all those gnome freaks with their couchdbs. ;-) [23:38] JanC: glade 1 and 2 both created code files, wich was lame. I'm glad it's using XML now, even if XML is gross [23:39] Version: 2.12.2-0ubuntu1 [23:39] doctormo: dude, you're like a kid who hears the word veggie and freaks out [23:39] well, creating code is fien if it can read code back too ;) [23:39] doctormo: json has nothing to do with javascript other then markup [23:39] s/fien/fine/ [23:39] JanC: :) [23:39] paultag: I'm happy with yaml, it's nice and editable. I actually prefer it over xml and json. [23:39] paultag: that's what .NET IDEs do BTW [23:40] JanC: so gross [23:40] doctormo: that's a dirty boldfaced lie [23:40] paultag: Nu-uh, best thing there is for configs. [23:40] doctormo: I'm missing gtkme, what package is it, do you know? [23:40] but I guess it's easier to read code back with C# than with glorified machine code like C ;) [23:40] doctormo: json? Yeah, I agree [23:40] Ah right, this is why I got you guys to test :-) [23:40] JanC: truth [23:41] and macros don't help either [23:41] not at all [23:41] paultag: yaml [23:41] doctormo: json? yeah I agree [23:41] doctormo: what package is python-gtkme ? [23:41] bzr: ERROR: Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n' [23:41] man, hardy is all kinds of fail today :) [23:41] pleia2: awwwww :) [23:41] * pleia2 pets her little netbook [23:42] Wooohoo! My headache's gone! [23:42] yay! [23:43] pleia2: thanks for trying. [23:44] still trying! needing python-yaml [23:44] doctormo: hey, lameface! I need gtkme :) [23:44] and that [23:44] doctormo: what package should I apt-get ? [23:44] paultag: you'll need https://launchpad.net/~doctormo/+archive/ppa and it's version 0.8.4 which I'm just uploading now, so you might have to hold onto your pants for a second. [23:45] doctormo: cheers ;) [23:45] paultag: or just grab lp:~doctormo/doctormo-random/gtkme/ and slap it in the same dir as the script. [23:46] doctormo: I forgot you wrote that abstraction layer [23:46] paultag: It's a good layer, I've had a lot of fun with it. [23:46] doctormo: aye [23:48] doctormo: fwiw -- cp ../gtkme/lib/gtkme/ ./ -r [23:48] paultag: In the end a lot of the clever bits should go into quickly. But Rick Spensor has that very serious sort of 'stop bothering me with junk' vibe. [23:48] doctormo: what about xsdvalidate ? [23:48] doctormo: yeah, for sure [23:48] * doctormo facepalms [23:48] Yea I put xsdvalidate deps into gtkme, forgot about that. [23:49] hm, what glib module? [23:51] pleia2: humm? [23:51] File "/home/elizabeth/bugbear/gtkme/__init__.py", line 25, in [23:51] import glib [23:51] ImportError: No module named glib [23:52] paultag: lp:~doctormo/doctormo-random/xsdvalidate [23:52] pleia2: interesting error [23:52] pleia2: I think you need python-gtk [23:52] so, doctormo's glade crasher is reported in GNOME bugzilla too... [23:53] nice JanC :-) [23:53] doctormo: which does not exist in hardy! I think I'll stop now :) [23:53] or python-gobject [23:53] I should upgrade my netbook someday [23:53] pleia2: at least to 10.04 [23:53] doctormo: OK, I have a GUI up [23:53] doctormo: should I report a dummy issue, or will it clot up launchpad? [23:54] paultag: It prints to stdout, don't worry [23:54] doctormo: roger [23:54] doctormo: forgive my sysadminness, when it's working and not EOLed upgrades make me wince ;) [23:54] pleia2: hardy only has 4 months for EOL [23:54] doctormo: We're done: {'fixed': False, 'type': 'desktop', 'name': "I don't muchly care for Windows", 'critical': 2} [23:54] paultag: nice, now report a device issue [23:55] doctormo: yeah, I'll need to get on it soon [23:55] We're done: {'device': {'device': 'usb:046d:08da', 'name': 'Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Messanger', 'subclass': '2 Streaming', 'class': '1 Audio'}, 'fixed': False, 'type': 'dev', 'name': 'My webcam is slow as all hell', 'critical': 2} [23:55] doctormo: well done :) [23:56] paultag: See what I did there :-P there are some other trees too, like if you mark as manually fixed or select "Other not listed device" [23:56] doctormo: very nice! [23:57] doctormo: great :) [23:57] doctormo: How are you plotting to use this? [23:57] doctormo: I like how simple it is to report a bug [23:58] paultag: I'm going to make a video ranting about how issues are not bugs. [23:58] doctormo: now just make that a frontend for `reportbug' and I'll be a happy guy :) [23:58] doctormo: it's a bug that we have to address them ;) [23:58] But I don't think I'll have the data go directly to launchpad bugs, I need it to go to a middle stage first. [23:58] doctormo: the sourceforge approach? [23:59] doctormo: there are bugs, feature requests, support requests sort of thing? [23:59] See issues are to track what a user sees as issues, bugs are confirmed problems in code. It's perfectly valid for a user to have an issue with something the developer thinks is fine. [23:59] user centric