[00:00] <ali1234> i get 55.7 seconds but i only have a GTS 240
[00:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: what's the package? It's not pyopencl or python-opengl
[00:01] <Azelphur> opencl*
[00:01] <ali1234> python-pyopencl
[00:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: 28 seconds
[00:04] <Azelphur> :D
[00:05] <ali1234> hmmmmmm
[00:05] <ali1234> that's still not fast enough
[00:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: when I start it it asks if I want to use "D13U" or "GeForce 8800 GT"
[00:05] <hamitron> is it using enough "threads"?
[00:05] <Azelphur> on D13U which is no doubt the 570, it runs in 28 seconds
[00:05] <Azelphur> if I try to run it on the 8800GT it errors
[00:06] <ali1234> if i ran the C version of the algorithm on all 4 cores it would run about the same speed
[00:07] <hamitron> Azelphur: how many cores yours have?
[00:07] <Azelphur> graphics card?
[00:07] <Azelphur> nfi
[00:07] <hamitron> yeh
[00:07] <ali1234> GPUs use SIMD
[00:09] <hamitron> so it auto spreads?
[00:10] <hamitron> been cheap, I went for the GTS 450 with only 192 cores
[00:10] <hamitron> ;)
[00:11] <ali1234> it has 192 cores but they all do the same instruction
[00:11] <ali1234> same instruction multiple data
[00:11] <hamitron> ah
[00:11] <ali1234> so eg add together 192 pairs of different number, giving 192 answers
[00:12] <hamitron> so is 256 cores twice as good as 128?
[00:12] <hamitron> or depends on program?
[00:12] <ali1234> if you have larger datasets, yes
[00:12] <ali1234> all my arrays are bigger than 256 elements, so it should use the card to the max...
[00:12] <hamitron> does yours have large datasets?
[00:14] <hamitron> Azelphur: appears yours has upto 512 :D
[00:15] <MattJ> ali1234: map/reduce! \o/
[00:15] <ali1234> actually i always do at least 1024
[00:15] <andylockran> neat
[00:15] <ali1234> up to 1024*1024
[00:15] <ali1234> maybe it's python overhead
[00:16] <hamitron> use C...
[00:16] <hamitron> ;)
[00:16] <ali1234> i hate writing boilerplate
[00:17] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Supported_GPUs
[00:17] <hamitron> why does the GTX570 support a lower version?
[00:18] <hamitron> or is that just wrong
[00:18] <ali1234> no idea
[00:19] <ali1234> hmm... i have an idea
[00:21] <hamitron> 556Gb partition defragmented at last \o/
[00:22]  * hamitron has learnt his lesson, never run it with less than 1Gb free space
[01:42] <directhex> hm... commercial ripping app w/ linux port works with all my discs, even the 3d one released 2 weeks ago
[02:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Making Ubuntu More Personal: Identify Contributions To Engage More Personally - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/01/22/making-ubuntu-more-personal-identify-contributions-to-engage-more-personally/
[06:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Open embedded GPUs - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/133472.html
[06:38] <andylockran> no idea why I woke up this early.
[06:38] <andylockran> even less idea why I decided it would be a good thing to then come into the office
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> morning :)
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: office? on saturday?
[06:49] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: yeah :s
[06:49] <andylockran> trying to teach my bodyclock a lesson
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: I do that by going to sleep at 22:00, then making myself not get up before 6
[06:50] <andylockran> yeah, I tried that and failed :s
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> Now I've done that, I can go to sleep at any time, and still wake up at 6, without an alarm
[06:50] <MartijnVdS> It even works across time zones (once I'm de-jetlagged it works instantly!)
[06:51]  * MartijnVdS has been living "alarm clockless" for ~7 years now
[06:51] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: any nice plans for the weekend?
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: going for a run in a few hours
[06:52] <andylockran> that's my plan also :)
[06:52] <MartijnVdS> then bring some large trash^Wstuff to the recycling place
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> I'm planning 10-15km (6-9.5mi)
[06:53] <andylockran> I'm only going to do 6km
[06:53] <andylockran> not been out for a while
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> I want to run the local 20km early March
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> so I need the practice :)
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> (and when I'm done, I can say I ran 20 km at 10 kph while being 30 years old :)
[06:54] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: I know the feeling.  Not ran much before, did a 10k last year in 53.54 and was so chuffed
[06:55] <andylockran> hoping to get a sub-50 time in the spring
[06:55] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: Yeah last year I couldn't run more than 5 minutes
[07:00] <andylockran> got some interesting projects on at the moment.
[07:01]  * MartijnVdS has been buying (and playing :)) records.. the old vinyl ones :)
[07:01] <lazarus_> morning
[07:01] <MartijnVdS> \o lazarus_
[07:01] <lazarus_> 21 today woop
[07:02] <MartijnVdS> congratifications!
[07:02] <andylockran> congrats from me too!
[07:02]  * MartijnVdS gives lazarus_ a free copy of Ubuntu for his b'day
[07:02]  * andylockran provides 64 bit..
[07:03]  * lazarus_ already runs ubuntu 10.10 64-bit
[07:04] <lazarus_> on an intel i3 550 with 1tb hdd and 4gb ddr3
[07:04] <andylockran> sounds nice :)
[07:05] <lazarus_> the ram is crap and needs replacing
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: heh, I have an i3 550, 1TB, 4GB :)
[07:05] <andylockran> you know what to ask for your birthday then :)
[07:05] <MartijnVdS> but I'm running Natty
[07:06] <andylockran> I have a model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz
[07:06] <lazarus_> with the asus p7h55-m si mobo
[07:06] <andylockran> with a 500GB HD and 4GB DDR2
[07:06] <MartijnVdS> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU         530  @ 2.93GHz
[07:06] <MartijnVdS> oh I have a 530 apparently ;)
[07:06] <MartijnVdS> misremembered
[07:07] <MartijnVdS>         Product Name: P7H55-M PRO
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: are you a clone of me?
[07:07] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: but 9 years younger? :P
[07:08] <lazarus_> hehe i have the P7H55- SI
[07:08] <lazarus_> not PRO
[07:08] <MartijnVdS> what's the difference?
[07:08] <lazarus_> hehe i have the P7H55-M SI
[07:08] <lazarus_> dunno
[07:08] <lazarus_> tbh
[07:09] <lazarus_> my ram is cheaply made and isnt up to par
[07:12] <lazarus_> V-DATA 1333mhz]
[07:12] <lazarus_> V-DATA 1333mhz
[07:12] <lazarus_> 2 x 2GB
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> I don't know what mine are
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> and the case is closed so I can't look
[07:13] <lazarus_> in total i paid £370 for the whole pc the £149 for my monitor
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> nice and cheap :)
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> I have a satellite receiver card in this one
[07:14] <lazarus_> thats what i thought too
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> so I can watch Freesat while I work :)
[07:14] <lazarus_> cool
[07:14] <lazarus_> expensive?
[07:14] <MartijnVdS> the card? nah, €100ish
[07:15] <lazarus_> cool
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> the dish was more expensive (but I use that for the box connected to my TV as well)
[07:15] <lazarus_> unfortunatly i still have windows installed for gaming
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> I have a separate machine (and a PS3) for that
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> Also use it to update my Logitech remote (no Linux software, boo!)
[07:17] <lazarus_> uh-oh i own the ps3's enemy
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> lazarus_: Wii? ;)
[07:18] <lazarus_> pahahaha no
[07:20] <lazarus_> MartijnVdS: xbox 360
[07:22] <lazarus_> lol
[08:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> morning cz<tab>
[08:17] <HazRPG> I knew there was a reason I barely go on ##windows :/
[08:18] <chalcedony> haha
[08:18] <lazarus_> HazRPG: what reason
[08:19] <HazRPG> treating you like a noob
[08:20] <HazRPG> all I wanted was a recommendation of a tweak program to edit registry based stuff without having to do some googling or trial-n-error of random thing
[08:20] <HazRPG> things*
[08:21] <HazRPG> people part of the open-source world are much friendlier
[08:30] <czajkowski> egg and soliders are nyoomy!
[08:30] <czajkowski> Just sayin'
[08:30] <popey> hah
[08:31] <czajkowski> ohh a popey
[08:31] <czajkowski> ello
[08:31] <danfish> czajkowski: is soliders a typo or an Irish thing?
[08:31] <danfish> morning btw
[08:31] <popey> just warmed up some chocolate croissants for the kids
[08:32] <popey> i may have a sausage sarnie
[08:32] <popey> danfish: wut!
[08:32] <czajkowski> danfish: eh
[08:32] <popey> soldiers is toast sliced to you can dip it in a boiled egg
[08:32] <czajkowski> you are kidding
[08:32] <popey> every child knows this!
[08:32] <czajkowski> popey: :D
[08:32] <popey> :)
[08:32] <popey> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/1557814947_1a649347e3.jpg
[08:33] <czajkowski> yup! lovely yummy runny egg!
[08:33] <danfish> popey: :)
[08:35] <danfish> ooohh - 6 sleeps until our first child free weekend \o/
[08:35] <czajkowski> heh
[08:36] <czajkowski> danfish: I take it this is a good thing?
[08:36] <danfish> I love em, but could do with a weekend off
[08:36] <czajkowski> danfish: how many do you have ?
[08:36] <popey> BAH!
[08:36] <popey> i kicked off a 35 hour job at 18:30 last night
[08:37] <popey> some dope rebooted the box I was running it on
[08:37] <czajkowski> :(
[08:38] <czajkowski> so is grumpy going to deal with dopey ?
[08:38] <danfish> czajkowski: 2 boys, a 20mnth old and a 4 yr old
[08:38] <czajkowski> awww nice :)
[08:38] <danfish> popey: that's some job, what was it?
[08:40] <popey> oracle cost based optimizer
[08:40] <czajkowski> even the name of it doesn't sound friendly
[08:40] <popey> heheh
[08:40] <czajkowski> granted it has the word oracle in it, which alone makes it that way
[08:40] <popey> true
[08:41] <popey> its a very intensive job, especially given it's chugging through 8TB of data
[08:41] <czajkowski> od I feel more human today, have a ton of energy
[08:41] <popey> great!
[08:41] <czajkowski> so why did the twat go and reboot the machine?
[08:41] <danfish> and optimizer is spelt with a 'z' ;)
[08:42] <danfish> which makes it even wrongerer
[08:42] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=oracle+cost+based
[08:42] <popey> oh, sadly it is
[08:43] <czajkowski> dear rain go away, I need to go get some fresh air
[08:43] <popey> czajkowski: they were re-cabling the datacentre
[08:43]  * danfish orders a batch order of "Cost Based Oracle Fundamentals" to dish out as sleep aids to insomniacs :P
[08:43] <popey> and we gave them a very specific list of boxes to do, mine was absolutely not on the list
[08:43] <popey> seems like they yanked it anyway
[08:44] <czajkowski> bugger
[08:44] <czajkowski> danfish: I can also recommend any networks college book. Puts you straight out
[08:44] <popey> hey ho
[08:44] <czajkowski> I hated that module in college
[08:44] <popey> oracle books are incredibly dull
[08:44] <popey> all database books are IMO
[08:44] <danfish> me cable monkey, me see cable me yanks ;)
[08:45] <popey> when the DC was put in the servers were moved in from another DC, the company saved money by using the server luggers to do the cabling rather than a cabling company
[08:45] <popey> which is why now we are re-cabling
[08:45] <popey> :)
[08:46] <czajkowski> not much cost saving then
[08:46] <popey> nope
[08:46] <popey> and we get all kinds of issues due to the cables being plugged in wrong
[08:46]  * czajkowski decided to go to Canada last night for a holiday CANNOT_WAIT
[08:46] <popey> heyho, enough work crap :)
[08:46] <popey> yay holidays!
[08:46] <danfish> czajkowski: Canada's ace - where you going?
[08:47] <czajkowski> danfish: Guelp
[08:47] <czajkowski> danfish: about 13 of my mates are gone to Canada for work in the last 2-3 years
[08:47] <czajkowski> danfish: it's just outside of Toronto
[08:47] <danfish> we nearly moved to Canada 3 years ago
[08:47] <czajkowski> we all got out the Google cals last night and found July to be a quiet month :)
[08:48] <czajkowski> danfish: oh if I didnt get this job back in November, I'd have gone to Canada, was going to work for mate that I'm now visiting minding her kids till I got work
[08:48] <czajkowski> had all the forms to get the visa
[08:48] <danfish> you'll have fun there, eh?
[08:48] <czajkowski> admittedly it makes it harder to go to oggcamp if I moved to canada
[08:49] <danfish> true - but it's a very tempting place to work.
[08:49] <czajkowski> danfish: yup :D a week of sun, no nerds (as much as I love ye lot) and catching up with my 2 best mates
[08:49] <danfish> we'll track you down :D
[08:49] <czajkowski> danfish: yup, salaries are damn high, mate moved over, she's  a single mum with 3 kids. The kids adore it, the eldest was struggling in school back home, and is now caught up and in the top 5% of her class
[08:50] <czajkowski> the twins now there 2 years have such cute accents.
[08:51] <popey> do they say 'aboot'?
[08:51] <czajkowski> popey: the twins do, the 10 year old nope
[08:51] <popey> you're not proper canadian until you do
[08:52] <czajkowski> hard to believe they will be 5 next month, considering when they were born they nearly didn't live 4lbs and 3lbs :( then home and stopped breathing as they had sleep apnea
[08:53] <popey> erk
[08:53] <popey> one of out friends has a kid with sleep apnea
[08:53] <popey> and my father in law has it
[08:54] <danfish> it's unpleasant and underfunded here
[08:54] <czajkowski> aye I think Alannah grew out of it after a litle over a year Cillian took him till he was 2 to stop. Tc had to resuscitate Cillian when he was a month old. Good thing she teaches that kinda thing
[08:54] <czajkowski> danfish: aye so true
[08:54] <czajkowski> and frigging scarey. cots had alarms fitted so we all knew what to do when they went off ---- RUN!
[08:54] <popey> blimey
[08:55] <popey> http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/07/what-time-does-piers-morgan-tonight-air-in-your-country/ does that page load for anyone?
[08:55] <czajkowski> yes
[08:55] <popey> kinda just sits there for me and never finishes, all i see is the header
[08:55] <czajkowski> now I get to see his ugly mug, thanks popey
[08:55] <danfish> sadly yes
[08:55] <popey> all of the page?
[08:56] <czajkowski> yes
[08:56]  * czajkowski prods popey 
[08:56] <popey> how odd
[08:56] <danfish> yes, again sadly
[08:56] <czajkowski> it's a long page of comments as well
[08:56] <popey> interesting, its powered by wordpress.com
[08:56] <popey> aha, finally loaded
[08:57]  * czajkowski got her blog moved over to new hosting so no more down time and falling over ! 
[08:57] <danfish> popey: you need to put some more coins in the internet meter ;)
[08:57] <popey> :)
[08:58] <popey> kvarley: my minecraft server is up :)
[08:58] <kvarley> popey :) please can you pm me the ip?
[08:58] <popey> popeydc.dyndns.org
[08:58] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/ <- graphical map :)
[08:59] <kvarley> thanks :)
[09:02] <danfish> czajkowski: next time your in central London, there's a Canadican pub in Covent Garden - the Maple Leaf
[09:04] <HazRPG> hmmz, that's the 10th time this week I've heard minecraft... what is it exactly?
[09:04] <HazRPG> and why haven't I heard about it before this week?
[09:05] <danfish> HazRPG: it's been classified as a class A drug - be warned :)
[09:05] <HazRPG> xD
[09:05] <HazRPG> like World of Warcraft then?
[09:06] <Myrtti> i hate scrabble
[09:06] <danfish> I haven't actually played it yet as I'm still in therapy for my Angry Birds addiction
[09:09] <HazRPG> guessing minecraft is a paid for game right?
[09:09] <HazRPG> according to minecraft.net at least
[09:14] <daubers> Morning
[09:15] <danfish> lo daubers
[09:17] <HazRPG> \o daubers
[09:18]  * daubers notes he has 250 updates waiting and can't land them because some dependancies of libre office aren't there yet :(
[09:26] <daubers> Anyonne know if there's a quickly template set for working with Qt instead of GTK?
[09:27] <HazRPG> hmm, I'm stuck at "Planting..." on http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp <-- that site
[09:27] <Laney> why don't you just do a safe-upgrade?
[09:27] <Laney> or let the aptitude resolver pick a solution that works
[09:28] <daubers> Laney: because the resolver wants to remove Unity :(
[09:28] <HazRPG> at like 75%
[09:28] <Laney> keep saying no
[09:28] <Laney> until it gets to one which doesnt
[10:19] <AndIrc__> hi everyone... wonder if anyone can help, have a laptop that will no longer boot into x after I set the auto logon checkbox for a user. u can get to a command line, all I need to know is where that checkbox info is stored in a config file
[10:19] <AndIrc__> so I can undo it
[10:20] <AndIrc__> its a 10.10 install
[10:26] <nperry> AndIrc__: /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[10:26] <dwatkins> andirc__: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom according to a search
[10:27] <dwatkins> heh ok
[10:30] <AndIrc__> I don't have either of those files in that location
[10:35] <dwatkins> hmm
[10:36] <dwatkins> I can only suggest grepping for the configuration settings, e.g. AutomaticLogin
[10:37] <AndIrc__> ok will give that a go.... thanks
[11:10] <jonsaint> hi all. i got very little knowledge with ubuntu as ive been on the dark side for many years so still a learning curve for me, on ubuntu, do i need any kind of anti-virus and if so, where do i get it and is it easy to set up?
[11:11] <mash909> morning, my new 10.10 install seemed fine last night, but now things crash immediately after login!  I can get to tty
[11:12] <cps> Morning everyone :)
[11:12] <marxjohnson> jonsaint: Depends. In general, no you don't, but if you've got Windows machines on your network and you're sharing files with them, it's best to install something like ClamAV and do a regular scan.
[11:12]  * cps is on a train to preston
[11:12] <mash909> what's the best way to verify my disks?
[11:13] <marxjohnson> This is, however, to stop Windows getting infected, not Ubuntu
[11:13] <jonsaint> i got nothing networked marx. its just this machine and the internet
[11:13] <marxjohnson> Not running a mailserver/webserver or anything on it?
[11:14] <marxjohnson> mash909: fsck?
[11:14] <jonsaint> nope. i did a format of my hard drive to wipe off that nasty microsoft rubbsh and installed ubuntu
[11:14] <marxjohnson> cool, you should be safe then
[11:15] <marxjohnson> although you should still take the usual precautions of connecting to the net, firewall etc ;-)
[11:15] <jonsaint> is it right in me saying that viruses for microsoft stuff cant infect an ubuntu machine? or am i wrong?
[11:15] <marxjohnson> yes
[11:16] <marxjohnson> I suppose they could potentially execute under WINE, but that's unlikely to do much damange
[11:16] <jonsaint> so ubuntu is a really good system then?
[11:16] <marxjohnson> yes :-)
[11:16] <mash909> will try fsck (digging out a rescue disk)
[11:16] <jonsaint> sorry for all these mad questions, im new to all this
[11:16] <marxjohnson> no that's cool, glad to help
[11:17] <jonsaint> thanks again. chat soon.
[11:17] <marxjohnson> dont be lulled in to thinking Ubuntu is invincible though
[11:17] <jonsaint> i wont
[11:17] <marxjohnson> :)
[11:17] <jonsaint> il still be just as careful!
[11:18] <AlanBell> My Maverick TShirt has arrived
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> just in time for the natty release party
[11:18] <marxjohnson> haha
[11:18] <jonsaint> aah mr bell. how did the crossing go?? not too rough i hope
[11:20]  * cps noms on some softmints
[11:20] <cps> virgin trains \o/
[11:24] <AlanBell> crossing was very smooth
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, apparently IANA distributed its final IPv4 space
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/f6ohj/ipv4_address_space_is_depleted_iana_is_working_on/
[11:29] <cps> o_O
[11:29] <cps> w
[11:29] <cps> oosp
[11:29] <cps> oops*
[11:30] <cps> will need to let my stepdad know
[11:30] <cps> he says he's not ready to get an ipv6 tunnel though
[11:32]  * MartijnVdS has native V6 on his DSL
[11:37] <cps> BT doesn't do IPv6 :|
[11:37] <cps> which is why I suggested to my stepdad to have an IPv6 tunnel
[11:42] <AlanBell> how does an ipv6 tunnel actually help?
[11:45] <cps> packing up now, preston's the next stop
[11:45] <cps> o/
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: you'll be able to access ipv6-only hosts :)
[12:21]  * HazRPG stares at box that arrived in the post today
[12:21] <HazRPG> Woot! My first ever graze xD
[12:32] <oly> hi, wonder if someone can help me with a nautilus problem
[12:32] <oly> for a while now when ever i use a ssh bookmark nautilus freezes
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's trying to ask for a password?
[12:32] <oly> i can connect fine from terminal
[12:32] <oly> its only nautilus freezing
[12:33] <oly> you would think, but if it is there is no password box
[12:33] <oly> i tried removing the known_hosts file so the keys where all reset
[12:33] <oly> just to rule that out
[12:33] <oly> if it was just the password box it should not freeze nautilus completely
[12:34] <oly> as in i have to kill it to be able to continue using it
[12:34] <oly> found some stuff on the net seems other have had the problem
[12:34] <oly> but no solution that works :/
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> oly: are there any errors/messages in ~/.xsession-errors about it?
[12:35] <HazRPG> not sure if this is good advise, but you could try running "sudo nautilus" and rule out the whole password thing
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no!
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: he's having ssh problems, not root problems :)
[12:38] <oly> nope i just did a tail on that file and nothing new is added
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> what happens if you "pkill nautilus && nautilus" (i.e. run it in a terminal)
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> or just:
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> nautilus ssh://some.host/path
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> (if something is failing it'll probably be gvfsd though..)
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> (try killing that one ... it should respawn as needed)
[12:39] <oly> gvfs was my guess but that does not help fix it
[12:39] <oly> trying the nautilus from command line
[12:40] <oly> though one problem i noticed is nautilus tend to detach from the terminal
[12:42] <oly> well no errors from terminal and nautilus does not open if i specify the url
[12:42] <oly> trying to reinstall gvfs but dont expect that to fix it
[12:47] <oly> fixed it \o/
[12:47] <oly> and found a bug i guess
[12:48] <oly> seems nautilus-bzr is the cause
[12:48] <oly> going to reinstall just to confirm
[13:00] <oly> well thats definately the problem reported it as a bug for now
[13:00] <oly> luckly i normally use bzr from command line anyway
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> nice find though
[13:03] <oly> yeah i am pleased, makes it a bit easyer to drag files to remote locations :p
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> I guess I'm too used to the command line for that
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> I use it with cifs though
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> to drag files to/from my NAS
[13:07] <livingdaylight> greetings
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> \o ldl
[13:09] <livingdaylight> Anyone familiar with Calibre? I dropped a pdf file to convert to epub. It took a good 15 minutes to convert. Obviously, depends on the size but is that normal?
[13:09] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, hi, was it you who told me about Calibre a few days ago?
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> could be
[13:14] <livingdaylight> was concerned as there 's no (reassuring) progress bar; just a whirrling round and round circle, as if stuck, but did eventually finish
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> the guy who makes it is very cool & responsive, you could suggest a progress bar feature :)
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> I think the podcast people had him on once
[13:15] <livingdaylight> ok
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> (though that might have been Outlaws)
[13:16] <dutchie> nope, it was uupc
[13:39] <jonsaint> hi all. i seem to have forgot how to convet then burn a film. im using devede to convert it and using k3b to burn. but thing is when using devede to convert, its converting to an iso file and i cant burn it. anyone got ideas plz??
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: right-click the iso, select the option to burn it to dvd?
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: (right-click in the file browser)
[13:40] <jonsaint> and that will work??
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> why wouldn't it?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> it's a prepared image of a DVD-Video, isn't it?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> "Burn image to disc" will, well.. burn that image to a disc
[13:41] <jonsaint> just trying it now lol
[13:45] <gord> i installed xchat on windows so i can play video games and irc at the same time, it comes with a winamp control plugin... i don't understand why
[13:45] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> gord: because it's Windows and weird
[13:46] <gord> we all like to complain about ubuntu from time to time, but logging into windows puts its allllllllllllllll into perspective
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> :)
[13:51] <gord> okay, xchat on windows now using the ubuntu font, its almost like i'm home
[13:56] <livingdaylight> gord, wait till your copy expires
[13:56] <gord> livingdaylight, well you don't use the official build obviously
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> woo.. OTA on my Nexus One
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Too bad it's 2.2.2 instead of 2.3.0
[14:02] <gord> argh, you got me excited for a few seconds then :(
[14:03] <MartijnVdS> gord: well it fixes the "SMS bug" that I've never seen, apparently
[14:09] <popey> bigcalm: pong
[14:09] <popey> bigcalm: seen the map?
[14:09] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current.png
[14:09] <popey> updates every 10 mins
[14:09] <czajkowski> popey: do the kids play ?
[14:09] <popey> yes
[14:10] <popey> i might buy them their own copies
[14:10] <popey> because then we can play together
[14:10] <gord> and they can have their own skins :)
[14:10] <popey> yeah!
[14:10] <bigcalm> popey: what happened to my hut? Looks like an explosion of boxes
[14:10] <czajkowski> popey: that's pretty cool
[14:10] <czajkowski> never played it myself
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to popeydc.dyndns.org
[14:11] <czajkowski> I don't need another distraction
[14:11] <popey> bigcalm: yeah!
[14:11] <popey> i arrived and the house was a mess already
[14:11] <bigcalm> I was trying to be neat and organised
[14:11] <popey> then a thing blew up just next to the wall
[14:11] <popey> i tried to rebuild a bit
[14:11] <popey> at least put the walls back
[14:11] <popey> but it was quite an explosion
[14:11] <czajkowski> I was very confused there for a min, thought you were referring to home home
[14:11] <czajkowski> :s
[14:11] <popey> heh
[14:12]  * czajkowski prods popey 
[14:12] <popey> MartijnVdS: wfm :)
[14:12] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: works grand here also
[14:12] <popey> there is a tower of sand in the bottom right of the map
[14:12] <popey> that's where I am now :)
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> popey: trace stops at 62.254.207.122
[14:12] <gord> in my world, i got fed up of creepers so i built my home on a small island just off the coast, it works well :)
[14:12] <popey> waiting for daytime
[14:13] <czajkowski> terran: Cowen is gone
[14:13] <popey> i have a lot of refined sugar, no clue what to with it
[14:13] <gord> make a cake?
[14:13] <czajkowski> gord: do you have cakes
[14:13] <czajkowski> popey: PANCAKES!
[14:13] <popey> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Cake
[14:14] <gord> i wish i had cake =\
[14:14] <czajkowski> bah
[14:14]  * czajkowski made yummy soup earlier on 
[14:14] <bigcalm> minecraft has stopped responding after I left your server
[14:14] <czajkowski> soo damn tasty
[14:14] <bigcalm> Silly minecraft
[14:14] <gord> wait, i forgot i have no food in the house again. i should go shopping but whenever i go shopping hungry i just buy tasty things that empty out of the house in two days. its a vicious cycle
[14:14] <czajkowski> gord: online shopping get it delievered
[14:15] <czajkowski> hmm wonder do I have time to make some bread
[14:15] <gord> i'v never tried online grocery shopping, does it cost much more?
[14:15] <czajkowski> gord: if you book in advance anywhere between 3-5 quid
[14:15] <gord> huh, fairly reasonable
[14:15] <czajkowski> means you also get more as well to your house
[14:15] <czajkowski> gord: I find tesco pretty good
[14:16] <czajkowski> hmm no flour :(
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> pfuh, who needs flour!
[14:17] <bigcalm> popey: does each user have a different spawn point?
[14:17] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: florists
[14:17] <bigcalm> czajkowski: *hugs*
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: good point
[14:17] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: I do to make bread or now I want pancakes
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (actually, in Dutch, "flour" and "flower" are the same word: "bloem")
[14:18] <czajkowski> with sugar and lemo on them
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> time for some shopping then :)
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> don't forget buckwheat -- pancakes with buckwheat + beer = best pancakes
[14:18] <popey> bigcalm: no
[14:18] <popey> there is one spawn
[14:19] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: oh
[14:19] <bigcalm> Ok
[14:20] <popey> heheh, the server is using 2.5GB RAM
[14:27] <dutchie> :o there's a popey minecraft server?
[14:28]  * TheOpenSourcerer has been cooking all morning.
[14:29] <directhex> popeycraft
[14:30] <popey> there is dutchie
[14:30] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current.png
[14:30] <dutchie> how exciting
[14:30] <dutchie> i may pop along when i am not supposed to be working
[14:30] <popey> heh
[14:31] <popey> i need to tweak the script to show how long it takes to generate the map i think
[14:33] <directhex> popey needs moar mhz
[14:33] <popey> it doesnt take long
[14:33] <popey> just interested to know how long it takes over time
[14:33] <directhex> POPEY NEEDS MOAR MHZ
[14:33] <popey> need more MB reall
[14:33] <popey> *really
[14:34]  * directhex rips more blu-ray
[14:34] <popey> shame the 32GB RAM I have sat here wont fit in it
[14:34]  * dutchie takes a break from "work"
[14:34] <dutchie> popeydc.dyndns.org?
[14:35] <popey> yes
[14:35] <gord> huh, wine is getting dosbox integration
[14:35] <gord> interesting
[14:35] <gord> "ubuntu, we officially support commander keen!"
[14:36] <directhex> gord, explain?
[14:36] <directhex> gord, oh, run a DOS app & it spawns dosbox?
[14:36] <gord> i'm not sure
[14:37] <gord> i doubt it will just spawn dosbox though
[14:40] <gord> getting 30kb/s from sourceforge today, iruno why people use that thing...
[14:42] <MooDoo> gord: convenience?  nothing better?
[14:43] <gord> there is *plenty* better than source forge
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> * > sourceforge
[14:58] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[14:58] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hello there
[14:58] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hello, :)
[15:00] <brobostigon> adsl failiure, talktalk's fault, from 8am till a half hour ago, talktalk fail.
[15:00] <MooDoo> :(
[15:01]  * MartijnVdS just listened to Talk Talk 8-)
[15:02] <brobostigon> MooDoo: crap thing is, this happens around once a month, or more, and my dad is just about thinking about a different isp.
[15:02] <MooDoo> *sigh*
[15:03] <brobostigon> yeah,
[15:05] <brobostigon> i might suggest an isp that does native  ipv6 to my dad. afterall, he does like things to last and be future proof, and getting ipv6 will do that.
[15:11] <MooDoo> brobostigon: is it widely used yet?
[15:12] <brobostigon> MooDoo: most software works perfectly now within ipv6, a few sites have ipv6 versions innlcuding freenode and gogle and facebook, however there arent many isp's that offer native ipv6 connectivity yet.
[15:13] <brobostigon> google*
[15:21] <Azelphur> hmm, just tried wiring up my mythtv box to my new TV, it has VGA In, and right next to it it has a 3.5mm jack for "PC/HDMI Audio" so I stuck a 3.5mm cable from the pc speaker, into that
[15:21] <Azelphur> but no sound :(
[15:21] <Azelphur> new fangled technology how does it work.
[15:22] <dwatkins> HDMI should do audio itself.
[15:22] <Azelphur> I'm plugged in on VGA
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it should, but if you're using a DVI-to-HDMI plug you need that jack
[15:22] <ali1234> not if it comes from a DVI-D port
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: use the green "audio out" hole
[15:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: on the PC? I did
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> not the "PC/HDMI Audio" one
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> I think?
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> oh wait that's on your monitor end?
[15:23] <Azelphur> yup
[15:23] <Azelphur> PC/HDMI Audio on the TV
[15:23] <Azelphur> Speaker socket on the PC (Green)
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> does audio work at all (if you connect something directly to the green PC port)
[15:24] <Azelphur> yea, if I go in via composite (yellow red and white cables) it works
[15:24] <Azelphur> but no hd resolution there obviously :P
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> maybe it's some config thingy on the TV?
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> "Use this audio port when using VGA"
[15:25] <Azelphur> maybe
[15:25] <Azelphur> I'll have a nose
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> good luck :)
[15:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:58] <bigcalm> popey: dutchie: if you're bored, you could finish off my tap in the sky
[15:59]  * dutchie has probability to do
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: .. probably :)
[16:17] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS, can one read epub or mobi files from Calibre on the Desktop?
[16:19] <Pendulum> livingdaylight: you should be able to
[16:19] <Pendulum> (at least you could last time I tried Calibre)
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> yes, in calibre right-click on it
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> then "View"
[16:19] <livingdaylight> can't figure out how
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> or something
[16:20] <livingdaylight> there we go - thx guys
[16:20] <livingdaylight> now just have to figure out how to transfer 'em across to the Desire HD
[16:39] <MonsterKiller> Hey. I tried to add a new user to admin and ubuntu server told me 'admin
[16:39] <MonsterKiller> adduser: The group `admin' does not exist.'
[16:39] <MonsterKiller> 'adduser: The group `admin' does not exist.'' rather
[16:44] <Azelphur> Hmm, anyone familiar with the twitter command line tool?
[16:44] <Azelphur> It seems to have bad time zones, it's saying people are posting in the future :P
[17:16] <dwatkins> Which commandline tool, Azelphur, Twidge?
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: curl 8-)
[17:21] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: that would be hard with OAITH, but possible. I gather there are perl modules for it.
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: nah you just point it at your browser's cookie jar and use the "normal" web frontend?
[17:22] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: aha, I see
[17:22] <dwatkins> What if you're running a perl script on a server with no browser, though... lynx?
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> could work
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> or you could copy your cookie jar over first
[17:24] <dwatkins> yeah, interesting idea.
[17:26]  * MartijnVdS browses discogs.com a bit
[17:36] <MonsterKiller> anyone know what this is?: 	/usr/sbin/named -u bind
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> that's bind :)
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> http://www.isc.org/software/bind
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> a dns server
[17:38] <MonsterKiller> oh okay
[17:38] <MonsterKiller> :p
[17:38] <MonsterKiller> thanks
[17:59] <Azelphur> lol, 3 don't know baout giffgaff :D
[17:59] <Azelphur> I called them to get my pac code, and they asked me why I was leaving
[17:59] <Azelphur> and they was all like there's no such thing it doesn't exist
[17:59] <Azelphur> :(
[18:06] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that's the "retention" dept
[18:07] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[18:07] <Azelphur> 7 transfers, 2 giffgaff explanations, and 3 sets of 3 verification questions later
[18:07] <Azelphur> and they are going to text me my pac code
[18:08] <pr0ph3t> I have a problem with sound, well kinda; sound works fine but the ubuntu startup sound doesn' play anymore, or the log out one, just some event sounds seem to work, what can I do to check what is wrong?
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> haha.. T-Mobile is giving away free pay-as-you-go SIMs with €30 on them.. they're the crappiest network of .nl (worst signal, etc.)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> they're about to get worst :)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> worse*
[18:13] <moreati> pr0ph3t: have you looked at System > Preferences > Sound, on the Sound Effects tab?
[18:26] <MichealH> pastebin is... Down? :O
[18:26] <MichealH> OMG
[18:26] <MichealH> How will #ubuntu cope? :P
[18:26] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:27] <MichealH> Oh :P
[18:27] <AlanBell> I hacked my pastebinit to point to paste.ubuntu.com by default
[18:28] <DJones> Or http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org
[18:29] <AlanBell> when I say hacked, I mean configured
[18:29] <AlanBell> edit ~.pastebinit.xml and set your default pastebin
[18:29] <brobostigon> piping goodness into pastebinit, very useful.
[18:30] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/556900/
[18:31] <AlanBell> yo dawg, we heard you liked pastebin so we are using pastebinit to pastebin your .pastebinit.xml
[18:35] <DJones> Anyway, its not as if pastebin.com is a major part of the internet, I'd be more worried if facebook.com was down, imagine the complaints then :)
[18:36] <brobostigon> how or microsoft.com or apple.com or google.*
[18:36] <brobostigon> rm how
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> http://test-ipv6.com/ipv6day.html :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> that'll be a good day for complaints
[18:38] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting yes, but i hve prepared out home net for this event already.
[18:39] <brobostigon> our*
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: your home, sure
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but there are loads of other people, with broken routers
[18:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: very true, but this is only to highlight,that some things to be fixed, to be able to cope with the future.
[18:42]  * brobostigon hugs his wrt54gl
[18:42]  * MartijnVdS hugs fritzbox
[19:24] <DJones> Ugh. I wish I knew what was broken with a laptop, great up to 10.04, but neither 10.10 or 11.04 will boot, I can get to grub, but it just goes to black screen, all I get are the coloured dots scrolling past then nothing. No login screen.  10.10 would work if I selected the kernel for 10.04 that hadn't been removed on upgrade, but otherwise, after 10.04 its become unusuable
[19:28] <ali1234> probably KMS
[19:29] <DJones> Possibly, its something I've had to fix on other machines, bit of a bugger when I can't get past the black screen with anything yet
[19:35] <Myrtti> nvidia?
[19:35] <DJones> Yep
[19:36] <DJones> Oldish laptop that I'm playing with
[19:38] <dwatkins> Have you tried upgrading the BIOS, DJones? Just a guess.
[19:39] <DJones> I've not tried, could be an answer, I doubt its ever been upgraded in its life
[19:40] <Myrtti> probably need a kernel parameter at boot
[19:40] <Myrtti> to bypass nouveau
[19:43] <DJones> I'm going to try a clean install from the alternate cd to see how that works just in case there's a conflict from earlier versions
[19:44] <gord> DJones, delete the xorg.conf - should boot up with nouvou - that'll tell you if its kms or not
[19:45] <gord> actually i'm not sure if that uses nvidia or not, you might just have to uninstall the nvidia package
[19:45] <DJones> gord: I'll try that if I can get into it, I guess its boot with a cd time :)
[19:46] <gord> DJones, recovery console doesn't work?
[19:48] <DJones> Nope, not so far
[19:49] <DJones> give me a minute, i'll see were it gets to
[19:50] <DJones> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.12.2 and then dead, no lights flickering or any signs of life
[20:02] <AlanBell> o/ TheOpenSourcere1
[21:05] <popey> balor: i appear to have started a small fire
[21:05] <dogmatic69> having issues installing things again
[21:05] <dogmatic69> last time it was my oc'ed cpu, now it cant be :/
[21:24] <daubers> Hmmm.... dbus has borked :(
[21:25] <daubers> Oooooh
[21:25]  * daubers notices unity-place-applications has turned up in his update list
[21:26] <daubers> Now if only whatever was blocking it being installed would turn up in the repo too
[21:44] <Compacthack> Evening all, wondering if someone could help, trying to put 10.10 on my Macbook air, Can't boot these things from usb driv e (don't have cdrom) so copy usb install disk to a partition on the ssd (disk0s3), when I get into the 10.10 install it tells me because the installation medium is on /dev/sda3 it can't modify or create any of the partitions on that drive, and I can't go any further.
[21:48] <brobostigon> yay, gingerbread on my htc dream, :)
[21:49] <AlanBell> Compacthack: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20Air%20using%20live%20CD
[21:53] <Azelphur> brobostigon: cyanogen? :D
[21:53] <Azelphur> been running cyanogen since day 1 :P
[21:54] <Compacthack> I can boot into ubuntu with refit, can change the partitions with gparted, so I've created my swap and ext4 for /. but in the install I have to set the ext4 partition as / and the installer tells me it has to unmount sda3 (my install medium) to set /.
[21:57] <brobostigon> Azelphur: based on cyanogenmod git, but not built by them.
[22:01] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I see :)
[22:02] <brobostigon> Azelphur: as there atmoment, isnt an official release not nightlie or otherwise of gingerbread for htc dream.
[22:03] <Azelphur> ah, cyanogen 7?
[22:03] <brobostigon> yes.
[22:03] <Azelphur> I had a go at doing that on my G2 but it didn't work so well
[22:03] <Azelphur> so I went back to 6
[22:04] <brobostigon> Azelphur: it seems to be going ok, most of the basics are working, i did have to adw though,
[22:04] <Azelphur> :)
[22:04] <brobostigon> gallery is so smooth.
[22:06] <brobostigon> its looking really smooth overall. letś try the camera and wifi and bluetooth.
[22:06] <balor> popey: get out of the house then
[22:07] <balor> popey: Or, if it's in your pants, I don't want to hear
[22:10] <brobostigon> Azelphur: however without that clever cm config program. :(
[22:10] <Azelphur> :(
[22:13] <livingdaylight> !calibre
[22:37] <MonsterKiller> Hey. ubuntu is telling me the irc 'services' file doesnt exist when i cd into its directory then to ./services but its there when i do ls. http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbehhhhjlhhwej
[22:39] <stuphi> MonsterKiller: is it executable?
[22:39] <MonsterKiller> should be :/ ill try
[22:40] <stuphi> What does ls -l give?
[22:40] <MonsterKiller> -rwxrwxrwx 3 rob  rob  1160791 Jan 23 01:21 services
[22:41] <MonsterKiller> so it should be executable?
[22:41] <stuphi> What about the directory it is in?
[22:42] <MonsterKiller> drwxr-xr-x  7 rob  rob  4096 Jan 23 01:21 services
[22:42] <stuphi> Try the file command on the services file.
[22:43] <MonsterKiller> -bash: ./services: is a directory
[22:45] <MonsterKiller> ?
[22:46] <stuphi> A directory is not executable, so is that your problem? Change into that directory and see what is there.
[22:47] <MonsterKiller> what do you mean?
[22:49] <stuphi> what does 'file ~/services/services' give?
[22:49] <MonsterKiller> /home/rob/services/services: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped
[22:51] <stuphi> So it is an executable file. Does it match the system you are trying to run it on? BTW, I am near the limit of my skills here. :-)
[22:52] <AlanBell> where did it come from? could it be evil?
[22:52] <MonsterKiller> lol
[22:52] <AlanBell> e.g. it is running, and what it does is print to stdout "file does not exist"
[22:53] <stuphi> It says that it uses shared libs. Do you have those libs? There is a command that will list the libs that an executable file needs, but I can't remember what it is just now.
[22:54] <MonsterKiller> if i make it no executable then it says permision denied but if it do make it executable then it says its not there
[22:54] <MonsterKiller> :/
[22:54] <AlanBell> could that partition be mounted noexec?
[22:54] <MonsterKiller> shouldnt be
[22:54] <AlanBell> just type mount
[22:55] <MonsterKiller> /dev/simfs on / type reiserfs (rw,usrquota,grpquota)
[22:55] <AlanBell> nothing mounted on /home ?
[22:55] <stuphi> try ldd ~./services/services
[22:56] <MonsterKiller> ldd: ~./services/services: No such file or directory
[22:57] <stuphi> try ldd ~/services/services
[22:57] <stuphi> :-)
[22:57] <MonsterKiller> 'not a dynamic executable
[22:57] <MonsterKiller> '
[22:57] <MonsterKiller> :/
[22:58] <stuphi> Are you running a 64bit kernel?
[22:58] <MonsterKiller> 32
[22:58] <stuphi> That will probably be the problem.
[22:59] <MonsterKiller> o.O
[22:59] <stuphi> It is an ELF 64-bit executable.
[22:59] <MonsterKiller> :/
[23:00] <MonsterKiller> is there a way around it?
[23:00] <stuphi> Recompile the executable or the kernel. :-)
[23:01] <stuphi> That probably does not help you very much now though.
[23:01] <MonsterKiller> hmm
[23:03] <stuphi> I know that there are tricks to get 32bit code to work on a 64bit kernel, but I don't think the other way round is possible.
[23:04] <stuphi> First thing to try would be to go to where the program came from and see if they supply a 32bit version, or the source code.
[23:05] <stuphi> Alternativly, do you have a 64bit machine you can run it on?
[23:19] <Myrtti> my irc is broken, its been quiet for 9 minutes
[23:19] <MonsterKiller> lol
[23:21] <gord> you can't run 64-bit code on a 32-bit system.
[23:25] <bigcalm> popey: say when you're ready
[23:25] <popey> ok
[23:25] <popey> where were you bigcalm ?
[23:25] <bigcalm> I was at the end of my track
[23:25] <popey> hope it doesnt start at night
[23:25] <popey> reconnect now and go to the house
[23:26] <bigcalm> The sun is setting
[23:26] <gord> fyi, minecraft is tonnes better with voip :) mumble is quick and easy to set up too
[23:26] <popey> :)
[23:28] <bigcalm> I've put everything into a chest
[23:28] <gord> its always fun to hear someone calmly talking about something or other and then yell something you can't make out, always a creeper ;)
[23:29] <bigcalm> Hehe
[23:29] <popey> its back
[23:29] <bigcalm> I'm in the sittingroom with my GF watching telly, so the sound is off
[23:30] <popey> ditto
[23:30] <gord> i can't play with the sound off... need to know if i'm about to be skeletoned
[23:30] <bigcalm> popey: you're watching telly with my GF?
[23:30] <popey> i should plug headphones on
[23:32] <gord> i mean i guess technically you could play with sound off, its just, for my sanities sake i play with sound on