[01:15] <Meths> What has happened to the default rendering for code browsing on launchpad?  Recently all the code has got weird line spacing and view revision numbers per line is not on by default. (Firefox 3.6.13 on Fedora 14)
[01:18] <maxb> view revision numbers per line is not on by default  <--- deliberate to save the servers doing much work that is not often required, and so improve performance
[01:18] <maxb> I guess the spacing must be fall-out from the change
[01:22] <Meths> Makes sense on the line numbers, thanks for the info.  The spacing is annoying though.
[01:24] <Meths> Is bugs.lp.n/launchpad correct for code browsing bugs?
[01:24] <maxb> yes
[02:39] <magcius> Is there a good reason the email interface *requires* PGP signing now?
[02:40] <magcius> The email interface was probably the only thing that I liked about Launchpad's bug tracking.
[03:35] <lifeless> magcius: I don't think that we've changed any requirements there
[03:35] <lifeless> magcius: *changes* have always required gpg signing; comments do not require signing.
[03:35] <lifeless> You can also use DKIM signing now if your MTA & domain are configured to do DKIM
[03:35] <magcius> lifeless, oh, OK.
[03:36] <magcius> lifeless, gmail, but OK.
[03:36] <magcius> FireGPG is dead, and I don't know of any user scripts to enable client-side GPG/PGP detection.
[03:36] <lifeless> magcius: if you're on gmail it should be sending DKIM
[03:36] <magcius> lifeless, OK, I'll look into DKIM
[03:36] <lifeless> thunderbird & evolution do gpg
[03:36] <Peng> Gmail should be doing DKIM already.
[03:37] <magcius> It's technically the Google Apps version of gmail so I get the custom domain
[03:37] <magcius> Do I need any special DNS records or such?
[03:37] <magcius> lifeless, DKIM is the SPF stuff, right?
[03:37] <Peng> DKIM and SPF are not the same thing.
[03:38] <magcius> OK.
[03:38] <Peng> Um, yeah, you do need DNS records for DKIM.
[03:38] <magcius> Is there a basic difference in *what* they do?
[03:38] <Peng> That could be a problem with Google Apps.
[03:38] <magcius> Could also be a thing with my DNS config.
[03:42] <magcius> http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2011/01/spam-takes-another-hit-email.html  -- ok
[03:44] <magcius> Right.
[03:44] <magcius> OK, I had added the DNS config earlier, but apparently there's a switch that says "Turn on auth" which I didn't click
[03:44] <lifeless> magcius: google apps does not do DKIM
[03:44] <lifeless> magcius: or at least, the free one doesn't
[03:45] <magcius> lifeless, I just flipped the switch
[03:45] <lifeless> magcius: do you have DKIM working now?
[03:45] <magcius> I'm testing.
[03:45] <magcius> lifeless, is there a way to send Launchpad a "test" email?
[03:45] <lifeless> last time I asked I got a 'we do not do that' :>
[03:45] <lifeless> magcius: add qastaging into the email address
[03:45] <magcius> lifeless, "January 9th, 2010"
[03:45] <magcius> er, 2011
[03:46] <lifeless> ah sweet
[03:46] <Peng> Cool.
[03:46] <lifeless> thanks for that link
[03:46] <lifeless> I wish google would be more open - 6 months ago hearing 'its coming' would have been most excellent
[03:47] <magcius> lifeless, except that if they say "it's coming", now they're bound to that promise
[03:47] <lifeless> I'll set mine up when I get home
[03:47] <magcius> With a big company like Google, if they say anything at *all*, they get killed if they don't deliver.
[03:47] <lifeless> magcius: nonsense; they can say 'we have a project to do it' and not be bound to a timeline.
[03:48] <magcius> lifeless, so qastaging@bugs.launchpad.net for example?
[03:48] <Peng> For _you_, maybe. But in general, it's dangerous to say stuff like that.
[03:48] <magcius> http://chrishecker.com/Me_and_the_Wii is a great article
[03:49] <lifeless> magcius: bugs at qastaging.launchpad.net
[03:49] <magcius> Ah, OK.
[03:49] <magcius> Not qastaging.bugs.launchpad.net or similar?
[03:49] <magcius> And it doesn't matter what I say?
[03:49] <lifeless> Peng: its dangerous to set an /expectation/. Its really not dangerous to treat your customers as interested folk.
[03:50] <magcius> lifeless, if they said "we have a project", that's setting an expectation
[03:50] <lifeless> meh
[03:50] <magcius> If they find that their infrastructure or the way GMail is built means that it will take a lot of effort to try to do it...
[03:50] <lifeless> I've worked at banks before
[03:50] <magcius> And then shelve the project so they get other user features out the door
[03:51] <lifeless> some of the most risk averse organisations
[03:51] <lifeless> and *they* communicate better than google do
[03:51] <magcius> lifeless, so, bugs@qastaging.launchpad.net, and any subject/body at all?
[03:51] <lifeless> magcius: insert qastaging. before launchpad.net in the address, and send as normal
[03:51] <lifeless> whatever that means for you :)
[03:52] <magcius> Oh.
[03:52] <magcius> lifeless, you may want to take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_%282007%E2%80%93present%29
[03:53] <lifeless> if there is a hidden message I'm not going to get it after 2 weeks on the road
[03:53] <lifeless> type slowly and use words of one syllable :)
[03:53] <magcius> "I've worked at banks and they're good at communicating"
[03:53] <magcius> Is what I'm responding to :)
[03:54] <lifeless> I didn't say good; I said better than Google.
[03:54] <magcius> Google hasn't had a major government bailout yet
[03:54] <lifeless> Neither have any of my previous employers.
[03:55] <lifeless> US banks are a totally different proposition :)
[03:55] <lifeless> Beside
[03:55] <lifeless> I don't particularly see a connection between communicating things of interest to customers and fraud
[03:55] <magcius> lifeless, so, once I've sent that email, what am I supposed to see?
[03:56] <lifeless> magcius: it should get processed by qastaging in the same way it would be on production
[03:56] <lifeless> https://qastaging.launchpad.net/ is the qastaging site
[03:56] <lifeless> its used for QA, has a lower timeout and less hardware.
[03:56] <magcius> and bugs.qastaging.launchpad.net/bugs/number should work?
[03:57] <lifeless> yes
[03:57] <lifeless> if the email isn't processed we'll need to do a manual run and cannot do that during the weekend.
[03:57] <magcius> Error: Page not found
[03:57] <magcius> https://bugs.qastaging.launchpad.net/bugs/694375
[03:57] <magcius> vs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/694375
[03:57] <lifeless> the bug is too new
[03:57] <magcius> OK.
[03:57] <lifeless> qastaging gets a sync periodically, its out of date right now; use an older bug
[03:57] <magcius> Sorry for bugging, then.
[03:58] <magcius> Well I'll try on production and hope I don't get an error back.
[04:25] <magcius> lifeless, yeah, it's still failing
[04:25] <magcius> :(
[04:28] <magcius> lifeless, using dig, it seems that the DNS is there.
[04:33] <magcius> dig mecheye.net google._domainkey.mecheye.net TXT
[04:34] <magcius> (I'm curious if it just hasn't propagated globally yet)
[04:35] <lifeless> I can't easily comment vis-a-vis our servers
[04:35] <lifeless> am in an airport right now
[04:35] <magcius> Yeah, I'm sorry for bugging.
[04:35] <magcius> I just want the awesomeness that is the email interface to work.
[04:35] <magcius> I'll write up a guide when I'm done.
[06:22] <ripps> Can someone tell me why this recipe build is failing? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62658286/buildlog.txt.gz
[06:23] <jelmer> ripps: it looks like there is a syntax error in the Depends field in the debian/control file
[06:23] <jelmer> ripps: does it build locally?
[06:24] <ripps> jelmer: I think so, let me try again.
[06:26] <magcius> ripps, any reason you're using manual bzr mirrors instead of the regular http://git.musicpd.org and gmpc repos?
[06:27] <ripps> magcius: can I make recipes using git repos?
[06:27] <ripps> I thought launchpad used bzr build, therefore it requrie bzr branches
[06:28] <magcius> ripps, I thought you could use raw git...
[06:28] <ripps> that would be news to me
[06:35] <ripps> jelmer: okay, just ran a pbuilder build, seems to build fine
[06:46] <jelmer> magcius: bzr-builder can use git branches if you have bzr-git installed
[06:47] <jelmer> magcius: but launchpad only supports building from lp branches (including mirrors of git/svn/hg/cvs branches) for various reasons
[09:58] <philip_stoev> hi, how can I designate a particular branch as "private", so that it is only viewable by a particular user or a team? It seems that for all branches Launchpad says "This is a public branch" and there is no option to change that.
[09:59] <philip_stoev> the code will be non-public only temporarily, until licencing issues have been resolved that will allow it to be released as open source
[09:59] <geser>  for a private branch to have to pay
[15:11] <yofel> could anyone look at this import: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/kdewebdev/trunk ? It says "Updating branch..." for weeks now, it hasn't been changed recently, but according to svn there is 1 commit missing
[19:07] <maxb> yofel: You'll want to file a question about that branch scanning issue, or it'll get forgotten
[19:08] <yofel> will do that then
[20:59] <magcius> Does LP support custom domains a la CNAME, or will we require HTTP redirection?