[00:44] <hd1> hmph
[00:46] <penguin42> hmph?
[00:56] <hd1> penguin42: my wifi and nic seems to have forgotten it was connected and I can't figure out how to get it working again
[00:57] <penguin42> using Network Manager?
[01:15] <hd1> I can use network manager or iwconfig
[01:15] <hd1> both don't work
[01:15] <hd1> it sees the networks, just can't connect
[01:16] <penguin42> weird, and when you say it doesn't connect, what doesn't ? gui apps say it's not connected or do command line tools like ping also fail?
[01:25] <hd1> I don't get an IP, penguin and I know that because of ifconfig
[05:53] <axp2> hi all. i'm running natty alpha 1 on my second pc and it's been offering a partial upgrade for about 4 days now with heaps of updated packages not selected in the update list. anyone else experiencing the same? usually the partial upgrade things goes away quicker than that
[06:12] <Volkodav> axp2 just do it
[06:12] <axp2> thx? the partial upgrade?
[06:12] <Volkodav> yeah
[06:14] <axp2> ok thanks i'll give it a crack. just all the posts about not doing partial upgrades during dev cycles made me think they're not to be touched!
[06:14] <Volkodav> I do not care and almost do them - more fun like that lol
[06:15] <Volkodav> I did it lately and up and running all good
[09:21] <alex_mayorga> Is there a package I need to install for my nokia phone to be detected as 3G broadband?
[09:22] <alex_mayorga> !3g
[09:22] <SwedeMike> on the older version there wasn't anything special one had to do, anyway
[09:23] <alex_mayorga> SwedeMike: yup, I know, but I have my phone plugged and it won't pick it up
[09:23] <alex_mayorga> had to resort to JoikuSpot :(
[09:24] <alex_mayorga> It's plugged and detected as "Bus 002 Device 025: ID 0421:0220 Nokia Mobile Phones" according to lsusb
[09:24] <SwedeMike> a
[09:24] <SwedeMike> oops
[09:24] <alex_mayorga> just wondering if there's a script to kick manually or something
[10:02] <twager> Complete freeze after today's dist-upgrade.
[10:09] <alex_mayorga> twager: thanks for letting me know :)
[10:47] <knittl> ubuntu fails to keep my ethernet connection after three days
[10:47] <knittl> when trying to reconnect dhcpdiscover times out
[10:47] <knittl> is this a router problem or ubuntu specific?
[10:49] <knittl> see my syslog: http://paste2.org/p/1207187
[10:53] <knittl> ok, i powercircled my router. it must be ubuntu
[11:16] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[11:17] <pr0ph3t> I have a little problem with canberra-gtk, namely canberra-gtk-play doesn't exist, I tried reinstalling gnome-session-canberra but nothing changed
[11:33] <Asad2005> what linux command to use in order to see if the memory is in dual mode or not?
[12:46] <penguin42> Hmm, gnome decided to not start the contents of my session automatically
[13:08] <cdbs> Some buttons on websites or on application windows are not clickable. Are others also facing the same issue?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:36] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:37] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[14:58] <BUGabundo> o/
[14:59] <penguin42> any KDE users find that sometimes you don't get the right layout of virtual desktops?
[15:17] <oOarthurOo> I can't find knights in the natty repos... online suggests people have been installing it.
[15:18] <Daekdroom> !find knights
[15:18] <Daekdroom> !info knights
[15:18] <SAM__> hi everyone...
[15:18] <oOarthurOo> useful tools Daekdroom ...
[15:19] <SAM__> need a litle support here please
[15:19] <SAM__> i cant install apache2
[15:19] <penguin42> what happens?
[15:19] <ikonia> SAM__: 1.) 11.04 is unsupported 2.) you've used webmin which can mess up your machine - that's a good reason for you not to be using 11.04 at this time
[15:19] <ikonia> SAM__: is this a production/serious machine, or a play thing
[15:20] <SAM__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/557236/
[15:20] <SAM__> ths is a machine where i host gameservers i ran into issues last night when i did do-release-upgrade -d
[15:21] <ikonia> SAM__: ok, why did you upgrade a stable production machine to an unstable development version of ubuntu ?
[15:21] <gpc> SAM__: the problems you are having are 2 fold, you have multiple versions of repos and you have installed an application which is known to break Ubuntu. I strngly suggest you do a clean install.
[15:21] <penguin42> SAM__: Did anything else bad happen? the apache2.2-bin and -common and -utils packages seem upset
[15:21] <oOarthurOo> Are you hosting offiial wesnoth servers? I've always wondered why they go down so often
[15:21] <Daekdroom> oOarthurOo, haha
[15:21] <SAM__> no thats it everything else works fine
[15:21] <ikonia> you don't know that
[15:21] <SAM__> i thought i was upgrading from ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10
[15:21] <ikonia> SAM__: I strongly advise you to do a re-install of 10.04 or 10.10
[15:22] <gpc> maverick is 10.10
[15:22] <ikonia> SAM__: if you are incapable of managing a server I suggest puttin 10.04 back on and letting it run until it is no longer supported
[15:22] <SAM__> i was on 10.04 stable and i did do-release-upgrade which i thought was installing 10.10
[15:22] <ikonia> no you didn't you did an update-manager -d
[15:22] <gpc> and it probably did
[15:22] <ikonia> you just said that
[15:22] <yofel> why did you use -d then? that will give you the development release
[15:23] <gpc> when you did update-manager -d it took you to the development version, that what the -d means
[15:23] <ikonia> as I said, if you don't know how to manager a server re-install 10.04 and trust ubuntu until the end of the support cycle
[15:23] <gpc> the dev version is still in alpha and choppy at best
[15:23] <ikonia> you've also messed up your box with webmin
[15:23] <ikonia> I would very strongly suggest a clean 10.04 install
[15:24] <SAM__> is 9.04 still supported?
[15:24] <ikonia> no
[15:24] <ikonia> tha's why I'm saying 10.04 as a long term release
[15:24] <SAM__> ok just for arguments sakes
[15:24] <ikonia> no, no arguments sake
[15:25] <SAM__> if i deleted apache2 files where would i go to restore them
[15:25] <ikonia> no, no arguments sake
[15:25] <SAM__> mmm ok lol
[15:25] <SAM__> any recommendations on which linux dist to host a gameserver?
[15:25] <ikonia> yes, 10.04 as I've said 4 times
[15:25] <gpc> yeah, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[15:26] <ikonia> the fact that you seem unable to read or listen to what people are advising you is probably why your machine is broke
[15:26] <gpc> Long Term Support for 10.04 server ends in 2015 iirc
[15:27] <gpc> Imagine that you could run those game servers for another 4 years without issue if you just left well enough alone :)
[15:27] <penguin42> gpc: That's only for some subset of the packages I think isn't it? Probably the right ones for server
[15:27] <gpc> penguin42: everything that runs on server LTS will be supported for the length of LTS
[15:28] <penguin42> ah yeh - I missed the word server
[15:28] <gpc> that is the whole point of LTS.
[15:29] <gpc> and something like a game server should really be on a LTS or atleast be admin'ed by someone who knows what they are doing if not.
[15:30] <SAM__> if i left the server as is will it fix with future releases?
[15:30] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: Breaking things is the best way to learn.
[15:30] <gpc> SAM__: no
[15:30] <ikonia> SAM__: no
[15:30] <SAM__> aw damit lol
[15:30] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: it's a game server, not a life support machine. Don't worry about it breaking if you're still learning.
[15:31] <SAM__> i know arthur everyones acting like i've done the worst thing poss lol
[15:31] <gpc> worst case is the game server goes down for a few hours
[15:31] <ikonia> SAM__: you have
[15:31] <Daekdroom> I don't mind breaking my system, but nobody will get mad at me over that. :P
[15:31] <gpc> if you do a clean install
[15:31] <SAM__> im just reluctant to reformat it because 1 the data i need to restore is huge and 2 i dont like paying superb 60$ to insert an unattended install disc lol
[15:32] <penguin42> ah, on a remote machine
[15:32] <ikonia> SAM__: then you should pay more attention to how you admin a server and not type upgrade commands you don't understand for no reason
[15:32] <penguin42> ikonia: Hey give the guy a break, maybe he just didn't have enough coffee
[15:32] <ikonia> penguin42: no
[15:33] <gpc> SAM__: we aren't trying to be mean or cruel here. Just trying to explain that what you did was reckless.
[15:33] <gpc> Live and learn :)
[15:33] <oOarthurOo> woa
[15:33] <SAM__> i know what i did was wreckless but hey i've learnt the hard way
[15:33] <oOarthurOo> SAM__:  remote machine?
[15:33] <SAM__> sometimes it takes the hard way to learn
[15:33] <ikonia> everyone makes mistakes, but there is a price to pay, so best to just pay and deal with it
[15:33] <SAM__> yes remove machine
[15:33] <Daekdroom> *reckless and wreckful
[15:33] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: do you have access to cfdisk?
[15:34] <SAM__> ummm i have no idea how to check?
[15:34] <ikonia> SAM__: you should not be admin'ing a machine,
[15:34] <ikonia> ask someone to do it for you
[15:34] <SAM__> lol
[15:34] <Daekdroom> Isn't it possible to install Ubuntu over Network?
[15:34] <gpc> depending on your host you may have a simple way to reinstall and be back up and running in 30 minutes
[15:34] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Without console access and a local tftp server? Tricky
[15:34] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: here's the general steps to fix... wait, how much data is on there that needs to be preserved?
[15:35] <SAM__> yeah knowing superb im pretty sure they have not allowed me to do that
[15:35] <SAM__> theres about 80gb to preserve
[15:35] <SAM__> but i have a secondary box running 10.04 using it to backup it up right now
[15:35] <penguin42> SAM__: Some hosting companies have totally automated reinstall mechanisms and access to the console of VMs; it's a good reason to chose them!
[15:36] <gpc> Linode!
[15:36] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: Ok, are you able to resize your partition on the 11.04 machine remotely?
[15:37] <SAM__> i have root access so i'd presume yes
[15:37] <ikonia> how can he do that if it's in use ?
[15:38] <penguin42> resizing live filesystems is scary foo, resizing down I've never seen done
[15:38] <ikonia> you won't be able to resize any file systems that are in use, so it seems a pointless discussion
[15:39] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: Do you only have one partition on this disk?
[15:39] <penguin42> ikonia: You can resize up a ext3 in use
[15:39] <gpc> Windows does it all the time :P
[15:39] <penguin42> ikonia: Not sure about down
[15:39] <ikonia> penguin42: no he can't
[15:39] <SAM__> i have one partition
[15:39] <ikonia> penguin42: if the partition is in use, he won't be able to resize it
[15:39] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: ok. forget it. Learn from this though.
[15:39] <SAM__> wait
[15:39] <SAM__> i think two
[15:39] <penguin42> ikonia: hmm the partition, you can certainly resize the filesystem itself
[15:40] <ikonia> penguin42: please stop talking nonsense
[15:40] <ikonia> penguin42: you cannot resize partitions that are in use
[15:40] <SAM__> cos when i had support install the box they asked where iw anted the rest of the space and it old them /var
[15:40] <penguin42> ikonia: Please calm down
[15:40] <oOarthurOo> If two you can install 10.04 to the second parition, using the 11.04 system
[15:40] <ikonia> penguin42: I am calm,
[15:40] <oOarthurOo> do fdisk -l on the machine to see
[15:40] <ikonia> you'll need to sudo fdisk -l
[15:40] <gpc> he is already in root
[15:41] <ikonia> great, so he's bypassed the auth system
[15:41] <SAM__>  root@sls-ga22p16:~# sudo fdisk -l  Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x644a8cdb     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1   *           1         249     1998848   82  Linux swap 
[15:42] <SAM__> i know i shouldnt be root calm down guys lol
[15:42] <SAM__> i logged into root so i dont have to sudo
[15:42] <ikonia> I'm not laughing
[15:42] <SAM__> wow ikonia you take linux seriously ...
[15:42] <ikonia> you're asking for help yet you're making it harder by breaking all the rules
[15:42] <gpc> anyway, I am not going to touch this one. Good luck SAM__ hope you can get it sorted out and you may want to open a support ticket with your host and see if they can help you figure this out.
[15:42] <penguin42> ikonia: See http://lwn.net/Articles/89560/
[15:43] <ikonia> penguin42: FILE SYSTEM - not partition
[15:43] <SAM__> im sorry im not as clued up as u are in linux if there is an article  i can read to gain some knowledge then by all means, send me it
[15:43] <penguin42> SAM__: OK, so look, I'd say your machine is in a bit of a mess; for a remote machine like that if you don't have console access and remote boot stuff then I'd say resizing etc is risky
[15:44] <ikonia> penguin42: and even the file system is not online
[15:44] <ikonia> penguin42: resizing is not possible
[15:44] <ikonia> stop missleading him
[15:44] <penguin42> ikonia: Yeh in that example the fs is online, partition I agree although depends on the partitions
[15:44] <ikonia> not "risky" it's not possible
[15:44] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[15:44] <ikonia> it does not depend on the partition
[15:44] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: Do "fdisk -l" and see if there's more than one partition on the disk. If so, do 'cat /etc/fstab' to see what's being mounted there.
[15:44] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: Report back
[15:45] <setuid> metacity is getting a bit long in the tooth and doesn't do much... besides sawfish, are there any other powerful window managers out there that have a minimalist look (i.e. not a lot of eye-candy effects)
[15:45] <penguin42> SAM__: So look, the only way you're going to get out of this is a reinstall or some pretty hairy dpkg wrangling that you have to be pretty damn experienced to get away with
[15:45] <SAM__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/557245/
[15:45] <setuid> I've been running sawfish for ~9-10 years, but it doesn't support some of the newer technologies
[15:45] <penguin42> SAM__: I wouldn't run a remote machine without console access that was going to charge me a fortune to do a remote reinstall unless you have a lot of experience
[15:48] <SAM__> does this mean i have one partition? http://paste.ubuntu.com/557245/
[15:49] <ikonia> SAM__: re-install
[15:49] <SAM__> ok
[15:49] <SAM__> should i tell them to create two partitions this time then?
[15:49] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: You've got two.
[15:50] <SAM__> how do i install into it then...
[15:50] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: /dev/sda1 is a second partition for nothing but swap.
[15:50] <oOarthurOo> I'm just trying to figure out how big it is... how big is the hard-drive in total, 500GB?
[15:50] <SAM__> am i running off /dev/sda5
[15:50] <SAM__> yeah it 500gb but they report it as 250g on the control panel
[15:51] <SAM__> i think they left 250gb un partitioned
[15:51] <SAM__> let me explain
[15:52] <SAM__> basically when i ordered they had to upgrade my server bc they didnt have the one i ordered in stock so instead of giving me 500gb they partitioned to 250 i believe so if i ever asked for a 500gb hdd they would just partition it and be clever
[15:52] <ikonia> SAM__: is this a physical server or a virtual server ?
[15:54] <SAM__> its physcical
[15:54] <SAM__> i7 920
[15:54] <ikonia> SAM__: can you show me the output of "uname -a" please.
[15:54] <SAM__>  Linux sls-ga22p16 2.6.37-12-generic-pae #26-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 5 19:00:12 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[15:55] <ikonia> thank you
[15:55] <SAM__> yw, i should be the one saying thanks though lol
[15:55] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: You've got 2GB of swamp... should be easy to use that to reinstall
[15:55] <SAM__> ok and then how would i boot into it?
[15:56] <SAM__> would i be able to move it over?
[15:56] <SAM__> right now it does not really matter if this doesnt work
[15:56] <SAM__> bc i have backed up all data i need on secondary box
[15:56] <ikonia> then why are you moaning about re-installing and data backup being a problem
[15:57] <gpc> SAM__: ok, then forget all this moving over talk. do a clean install and then upload all your files back to the server.
[15:57] <ikonia> if you want this box back quick and simple, ask the DC to do an install for you, and restore the data onto a stable 10.04 box
[15:57] <SAM__> bc id rather break it completly and make the reinstall money worth it
[15:57] <ikonia> no
[15:57] <ikonia> sorry, that's not what this channel is here for
[15:57] <ikonia> this is now beyond 11.04 discussion/support
[15:58] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: Let's take it to private chat then
[15:58] <ikonia> good idea
[16:01] <setuid> So any idea on my wm question?
[16:01] <setuid> e17 is a dead-end, just tried that and "Ubuntu Classic Desktop" from the login screen presents me with a completely blank X desktop with GNOME wallpaper
[16:01] <setuid> So that options broken in 11.04
[16:02] <Daekdroom> e17 isn't minimalist, really.
[16:02] <Daekdroom> It might be light, but not minimalist
[16:02] <setuid> UDE works though
[16:02] <setuid> Daekdroom, It has a minimalist option in the setup wizard, but it's definitely too bloated (in size of the UI eleemnts) for me
[16:04] <setuid> xfce4 is broken in 11.04, has broken (non-existent) dependencies
[16:04] <setuid> sigh
[16:05] <penguin42> there seem to be an odd set of things going on with the -desktop packages; I've seen lxde wanting to deinstall a few of the other -desktop's lately
[16:07] <setuid> Yeah, there's some weird collissions going on with the wms right now, I right-click, and get the current wm-themed right-click menu, then it changes to the default gnome-themed menu a second later, bigger fonts, greyish/white background, etc.
[16:08] <setuid> I literally just installed 11.04 from DVD moments ago, updated everything to current, and am trying to configure a wm to test
[16:08] <setuid> grub2 is broken when using full-disk encrypted LVM also
[16:08] <setuid> Works fine in 10.x and earlier though
[16:10] <Daekdroom> setuid, xfce4 should be fixed in the next hours
[16:10] <Daekdroom> setuid, I believe they updated all packages to 4.8.0 by now.
[16:11] <setuid> Daekdroom, Yeah, but there's a more-fundamental problem... any wm I choose, gets overridden by some underlying GNOME preference somewhere
[16:11] <setuid> after a few seconds of using the wm and its theme, everything switches back to the generic GNOME default colors/icons/fonts/menus
[16:11] <setuid> But the wm I chose, is still running, it's just "overlayed" with the default GNOME garbage
[16:12] <BUGabundo> what's the state of libnotify1 ?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> most apps haven't migrated to libnotify4 !
[16:13] <setuid> Looks like a lot of the task-* are gone now too... how does one install "all of" KDE4?
[16:14] <setuid> I guess it's called kde-full now
[16:14] <setuid> hrmph
[16:16]  * penguin42 would install kubuntu-desktop
[16:16] <BUGabundo> I think you want kubuntu-desktop
[16:18] <setuid> It seems like a LOT (and I mean a *LOT*) has de-evolved over the last few major Ubuntu releases
[16:18] <penguin42> oh things are a bit broken in the alphas - they always are
[16:18] <setuid> Things that were previously working, are now broken, things that had features, had those features ripped out, great looking themes and interfaces are now back in the 90's
[16:19] <setuid> gdm for example, could they possibly make that any uglier? Ugh.
[16:22] <Trewas> unity is (at least in its current state in natty) so big step backwards it is not even funny, it is difficult to believe they could fix it in few months
[16:28] <setuid> I may just go back to sawfish... it still runs circles around anything else out there that I've seen or tried
[17:06] <Daekdroom> !info orage
[17:42] <alex_mayorga> Anyone else seeing doubled wireless/bluetooth icons on the classic desktop?
[17:43] <Daekdroom> I'm seeing doubled network-manager icons sometimes
[17:43] <Daekdroom> I don't have wireless nor bluetooth to check those, tho
[17:44] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: Thank's on the confirm of sorts
[17:47] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: Their is a **LONG** standing bug with corruption/doubling/silliness of icons in the tray on gnome
[17:47] <penguin42> it could be that
[17:47] <Daekdroom> I thought we were talking about indicators.
[17:48] <penguin42> hmm that may be true
[17:51] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: any workarounds that you know of?
[17:52] <penguin42> if it is that, no
[17:53] <oOarthurOo> Gonna re-ask the question: Any idea where the knights package is?
[17:53] <penguin42> oOarthurOo: It looks like it went ages ago; it was only in dapper and hardy
[17:55] <oOarthurOo> penguin42: ahh... that explains why all the google hits are so hold
[17:58] <penguin42> oOarthurOo: It looks like it lost a maintainer for a while a few years ago; looking at Debian it seems there is one listed now, and there was a version released into experiemental in June last year, but nothing since then either
[17:59] <oOarthurOo> penguin42: still under devel...http://noughmad.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/last-month-in-knights/
[17:59] <oOarthurOo> now to see if it's got a package maitainer in either debian or ubuntu
[20:12] <magicianlord> it's time for better default wallpapesr in ubuntu and less of them
[20:43] <Daekdroom> Good lord. Seeing the changelogs of packages makes me wonder why there isn't a update method similar to the rpm thing in which you only download part of the packages.
[20:43] <Daekdroom> Some changes are just too small.
[20:51] <Adlai_> Daekdroom, that rpmdelta thing?
[20:51] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[20:51] <Adlai_> mmm yeah that would be real nice
[20:52] <Adlai_> I've been tracking daily chromium, and I'm getting sick of downloading 20 or so megs every day
[20:52] <Daekdroom> I don't mind downloading huge packages because I have a good connection, but seriously, it is bandwidth waste.
[20:53] <Adlai_> yep
[20:57] <yofel> that was already proposed like a dozen times... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1215217
[20:58] <Daekdroom> yofel, I'm presuming the change has to come from debian.
[20:59] <yofel> it has, since there's really no point in us forking dpkg
[20:59] <psusi> it is especially annoying when it is a small change that only affects one binary in one package, but 5 packages are all built from that same source, so you have to download all 5 of those packages in their entirety
[20:59] <Daekdroom> Yeah. I don't have the patience to cherry pick the updates to install. :P
[21:00] <psusi> or better yet, just fixes a typeo in a man page ;)
[21:00] <Daekdroom> Or changes a dependency.
[21:00] <Daekdroom> (as in, include a new dependency or remove it)
[21:00] <psusi> yea
[21:01] <Daekdroom> Those are the ones which downloads are passable, really.
[21:04] <Adlai_> for example, currently, I have updates totaling 260MB of downloads, yet the actual delta amount is about 26MB, almost all deletes (that is, the full update will free 22MB of disk)
[21:07] <Adlai_> and my connection at the moment sucks, so it's going to take 5-10 hours if the connection doesn't die in the middle of the night
[21:16] <ari-tczew> can anybody install binary package libgpg-error0-udeb from apt-get ?
[21:17] <yofel> weren't udebs only for the debian-installer? (or I'm mistaking them for something else)
[21:18] <ari-tczew> yofel: probably you're right: Section: debian-installer
[21:21] <Pici> Is Natty currently upgradable to? or are there rebuilds blocking full-upgrades?
[21:22] <ari-tczew> dunno
[21:22] <ari-tczew> but works fine
[21:22] <rww> I don't have anything blocked on my Kubuntu install. Ubuntu might be different, dunno.
[21:30] <Amaranth> Adlai_: binary diffs likely wouldn't be made for development series anyway
[21:30] <Amaranth> Adlai_: They'd probably be for maverick->natty final upgrades and natty->natty-updates upgrades
[21:30] <Adlai_> yeah
[21:30] <Pici> I read natty as warty for a second there.
[21:31] <Amaranth> But due to how anal dpkg is about filesystem consistency it makes binary diffs harder to implement so who knows when/if it will ever happen
[21:31] <Adlai_> I wouldn't expect it
[21:32] <rww> Pici: party like it's 2004!
[21:32] <Daekdroom> Is warty that old?
[21:33] <rww> warty = 4.10
[21:33] <Amaranth> Oh, and you'd have to have the entire old package (the actual .deb file) on your hard drive to do the diff properly
[21:33] <Amaranth> So you waste bandwidth or you waste hard drive space
[21:33] <Daekdroom> Or have it done at the server, Amaranth
[21:33] <Amaranth> At least until they figure out a way around that
[21:33] <Daekdroom> Like zsync does
[21:33] <rww> Daekdroom: you need the old file on your hard disk for zsync too ;)
[21:34] <Daekdroom> Ah right, I do. Forgot that :P
[21:34] <Amaranth> Daekdroom: We don't want to just update the files, we need to update all the package metadata as well and make sure that everything exactly matches what you'd get if you did a full download of the new .deb and installed it
[21:34] <Amaranth> So all the timestamps and md5sums need to match, etc
[21:36] <Amaranth> And the current solutions also either have such a large diff it doesn't matter or require changing how we compress the debs so they take up more space initially
[21:36] <Amaranth> s/space/bandwidth/
[21:38] <Amaranth> The larger the chunk size while compressing the more efficiently you can compress but a single byte change is going to have a diff of at least that entire chunk
[21:38] <Amaranth> so 4MB, for example
[21:39] <Amaranth> The ideal solution is a binary diff of the package contents but then you run in to keeping all the metadata correct :)
[21:50] <oOarthurOo> That took a little longer than I though. Back to my problem though, finding and installing knights on natty
[22:11] <oOarthurOo> this is interesting.. http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.6_Feature_Plan  it says knights is a 4.6 feature and done
[22:13] <BUGabundo> anyone knows of a tool to test a SIP account ?
[22:21] <yofel> oOarthurOo: good question... might be something to ask in #kde-devel as I can't find that in the 4.6 final tars - the source is here though http://gitweb.kde.org/knights.git
[22:23] <oOarthurOo> thanks yofel .. will inquire on dev after searching their mailing list... depending on their answer might have to build from source. thanks for link. there is old version of the project on soruceforge, but those aren't the droids I'm looking for
[22:25] <SAM__> I managed to successfully install into the swap partition of 2gb and boot from it. However, I am now stumped as I have come to realise I cannot increase the partition size of what was the swap. I have created a swap file size of 3gb for the current install to use. However, I am not sure how I can get around having a 2gb system partition? Is there a way around this?
[22:27] <oOarthurOo> SAM__: can you start lxde up yet?
[22:27] <SAM__> yea
[22:27] <SAM__> im in vnc
[22:28] <SAM__> i made the partition
[22:28] <SAM__> but i cant increase the size partition of the 2gb where i installed
[22:29] <oOarthurOo> install gparted?
[22:31] <SAM__> i used gparted
[22:31] <SAM__> to make the swap
[22:31] <SAM__> but i didnt update fstab im not sure if it picked up after reboot
[22:34] <oOarthurOo> Ok. Alternative to resize is to create separate parition for /home and /var. Mount those elsehwere. All your data goes in /home. On a server, with this setup, 2GB / is sufficient.
[22:34] <oOarthurOo> Just a hint.
[22:35] <SAM__> so if i do system updates it wont isntall into the 2gb?
[22:38] <oOarthurOo> packages will be downloaded to var, which will be on a separate partition. Updates don't take up much space, usually. Check you're free space. If you still have 1GB+ I'd say give up on resizing and focus on mounting partitions like /var /home /usr  elsewhere. E.g. 5GB mounted to /bin, 5GB mounted to /usr 5GB mounted to /var and all the rest mounted to /home ...
[22:38] <SAM__> i have 500mb left?
[22:39] <SAM__> is that enough?
[22:42] <oOarthurOo> It will be once you move /usr /home /var and  /bin elsewhere.
[22:43] <SAM__> ok
[22:43] <SAM__> so i need to create x4 partitions 5gb ea?
[22:44] <SAM__> i mean /home 5gb /usr and /bin 5gb
[22:44] <SAM__> and /var =rest
[22:45] <oOarthurOo> 5GB for everything, except home which should be the biggest. It's where you keep your data no?
[22:45] <oOarthurOo> here's some instructions you should be able to use and adept
[22:45] <oOarthurOo> http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/29/move-home-to-its-own-partition/
[22:47] <SAM__> when usind gparted should i rename ea partition as /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 etc?
[22:50] <SAM__> arthur
[22:50] <SAM__> how do i determine where to mount to like in the command it says /dev/sda5
[22:50] <SAM__> how to i make it sda5
[22:50] <oOarthurOo> having connection issues... label isn't importannt. Something that makes sense to you is most important. sda5 or var or something meaningful
[22:51] <SAM__> like currently i have dev/sda1 and dev/sda2
[22:51] <SAM__> how do i make /dev/sda3 and 4
[22:53] <oOarthurOo> delete all partitions except /dev/sda1 which is running your system. Create one large extended partition that fills whole drive. Create 3 five GB partitions at front, 1 3GB partition at end, and 1 that fills up rest of spac ein middle.  Do all this with gparted
[22:53] <oOarthurOo> must go.. best of luck
[23:30] <SAM__> damn its not booting....
[23:31] <SAM__> are here any boot time changes required to be carried out just after using gparted?