[00:04] <brobostigon> nos da,sleep well all.
[13:06] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[18:23] <ianto> markjones: Yo
[18:23] <markjones> ianto, hi
[18:24] <markjones> have we got any disks?
[18:24] <ianto> None official but we could burn like 50 between us
[18:24] <markjones> easily
[18:25] <markjones> what about a presentation?
[18:26] <ianto> Fair enough to do in OO.org
[18:26] <markjones> yup
[18:26] <markjones> and perhaps introduce people to Launchpad (if they are interested in Translations)
[18:27] <markjones> can we get any stuff from the -uk team?
[18:28] <ianto> What sort of stuff do you have in mind?
[18:29] <markjones> Posters, banners, pens
[18:29] <markjones> stuff we got for Serendipity in Bangor
[18:33] <ianto> markjones: http://hedyn.net/wici/Hacio'r_Iaith_-_Ionawr_2011#Sesiynau_Posib
[18:33] <ianto> You want to add anything there?
[18:33] <markjones> I'll add something
[18:39] <ianto> Awesomeness
[18:40] <markjones> ianto, what about merch? Can we buy any stuff from shop.ubuntu.com?
[18:42] <ianto> markjones: Yeah, there are 30 people registered buut I think that you can only buy 20 pens at a time ;)
[18:42] <ianto> They bloody pricey too
[18:42] <markjones> 85p
[18:42] <ianto> For a pen ;)
[18:46] <markjones> aye
[18:46] <ianto> I'll see if I can get a discount or something
[18:48] <markjones> bear in mind it's next weekend
[18:48] <ianto> They have good shipping speeds IIRC
[18:48] <ianto> Just speed in checking emails to worry about
[18:48] <markjones> it's a shame i had to bin the stuff i had in Bangor
[18:49] <ianto> And anyway, I doubt that any other people will be handing anything out
[18:49] <markjones> true that
[18:50] <ianto> It's just a barcamp style conference
[18:50] <ianto> People write a topic and name on the board and if people are interested they turn up
[18:50] <markjones> I'll order 2 pendrives and lanyards so we can install Ubuntu for people
[18:51] <ianto> Ok, I'll chuck Ubuntu 10.10 i386 on my Free Software Foundation pendrive
[18:54] <markjones> hmm, £51 for stickers, lanyards and ubuntu pendrives
[18:54] <markjones> that shop's tempting me :(
[18:54] <ianto> I've asked Canonical if I can get 40 pens for £15
[18:54] <markjones> cooooool
[19:07] <ianto> markjones: Might be a fun idea to hand out contact/business cards to people in case they ever wanna get hold of you
[19:08] <markjones> mhm
[19:25] <ianto> Of course you may find that OTT but it's out there
[19:25] <markjones> yeah, trying to remember where I can get some done
[19:25] <ianto> markjones: vistaprint.com/amazon15
[19:27] <ianto> Actually they might sting you in shipping costs
[19:27] <ianto> 3-day shipping = £15
[19:27] <markjones> ouch
[19:51] <markjones> ianto, what's the welsh word for USB Pendrive?
[19:51] <ianto> I'll look on the WLB site
[19:52] <ianto> Drive as in disk drive is gyriant
[19:52] <ianto> Gyriant USB?
[19:52] <markjones> i'll use that :p
[19:52] <markjones> it's a wiki
[19:54] <ianto> you mean hedyn.net
[19:54] <ianto> ? ^
[19:55] <markjones> yup
[19:55] <markjones> http://hedyn.net/wici/Hacio'r_Iaith_-_Ionawr_2011#Sesiynau_Posib
[19:57] <ianto> Looks alright
[19:58] <markjones> note i've not locked you into anything apart from having the CD's and Pendrive
[20:13] <ianto> markjones: Seems alright. How we gonna go about preparing stuff?
[20:27] <markjones> ianto, erm, use what we can get our mitts on?
[20:27] <ianto> I meant like presentation/talk w.e.
[20:29] <ianto> markjones: Just sent a sharing invite to your email address
[20:29] <ianto> (Google Docs Presentation)
[21:29] <markjones> cheers ianto
[21:35] <brobostigon> what do i say in welsh as anevening greeting?
[21:35] <ianto> brobostigon: Noswaith dda
[21:35] <ianto> markjones: Just added some speaker notes to the presentation
[21:36] <markjones> ianto, what about getting brobostigon to help with the presentation?
[21:36] <brobostigon> ianto: thats good evening isnt it.?
[21:36] <markjones> (we can translate his input)
[21:36] <markjones> yes brobostigon
[21:37] <brobostigon> markjones: elaborate please, i seem to have missed something.
[21:37] <ianto> brobostigon: Do you have a Google account?
[21:38] <brobostigon> ianto: i do, our philip.taylor@ubuntu-cym.org and my scraliontis@gmail.com
[21:38] <ianto> brobostigon: Just sent an invitation to your gmail account
[21:40] <brobostigon> ianto: am just opening it.
[21:41] <brobostigon> ianto: what is it about ?
[21:42] <markjones> brobostigon, it's for the Hacio'r Iaith thing
[21:42] <ianto> brobostigon: www.haciaith.com & http://hedyn.net/wici/Hacio'r_Iaith_-_Ionawr_2011
[21:42] <brobostigon> how can ihelp.
[21:43] <ianto> Well we're trying to make an Ubuntu presentation for Linux usage and a bit on translation
[21:43] <ianto> I'm clueless atm on where to start
[21:44] <brobostigon> ianto: at what audience is this aimed at?
[21:44] <ianto> A technological audience, used to blogging and Apple technology but not too familiar with Linux
[21:45] <markjones> ianto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations
[21:46] <brobostigon> ianto: familier with apple. ok, i would suggest, starting with the basis of unix, and darwin the basis of mac os x, and both being open source and in basis being the same philosophy and being devloped in by open srouse methods.
[21:47] <brobostigon> source*
[21:50] <brobostigon> ianto: also many parts of software within mac os x are floss, like cups, for example.
[21:50] <ianto> Thanks for the ideas
[21:51] <brobostigon> ianto: because thats making a connection between what they already know, and then what you are introducing them too.
[21:57] <markjones> if I understood portuguese I'd use AndreGodin's presentations :P
[21:59] <brobostigon> markjones: i can think of a couple of people you canget hold of, of how to design one, but not help with content.
[21:59] <ianto> The ones up already have pretty good backgrounds to use with OO.org
[21:59] <brobostigon> ok.
[21:59] <ianto> Very Ubuntu themed ;)
[22:00] <brobostigon> but iwould be original, i dont really personally like the idea of copying.
[22:03] <markjones> i like http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/talks/Ubuntu%20in%2050%20minutes.odp
[22:03] <markjones> it's a bit technical, but we can extract bits
[22:03] <brobostigon> let me look,
[22:12] <brobostigon> :( ididnt have openoffice installed, only the debian standerd,abiword.
[22:12] <markjones> oops
[22:13] <brobostigon> yeah.
[22:13] <markjones> installed it now?
[22:13] <brobostigon> 268mb just to install openoffice.org-writer :(
[22:13] <brobostigon> not yet,
[22:14] <brobostigon> maybe excessive,
[22:15] <brobostigon> i was hoping google docs could deal with it,
[22:17] <brobostigon> markjones: itshouldnt be that big shouild it?
[22:19] <markjones> brobostigon, LibreOffice? No
[22:22] <brobostigon> markjones: icant intterrupt apt, i will checkwhnits donw.
[22:22] <markjones> installed it now?
[22:22] <markjones> oopw
[22:22] <markjones> ianto, fallen asleep?
[22:22] <ianto> markjones: Na
[22:22] <markjones> ok, that has happened before now...
[22:22] <brobostigon> markjones: its taking ages, sorry,
[22:22] <markjones> brobostigon, no problems
[22:30] <brobostigon> markjones: how much time have we got, can i get back to this with you and ianto tmrw,once i have looked at that document.
[22:30] <markjones> brobostigon, we have until Saturday
[22:31] <brobostigon> markjones: let me see what i can do tonight then,
[22:32] <markjones> ok, I'm watching Top Gear at the moment
[22:35] <brobostigon> ok, apt is killing openoffice and replacving it with libreoffice from debian experimental.
[22:36] <markjones> brobostigon: https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASuIGA3SepQMZGRtdno2ODJfOTFzMzI5Z3FjNg&hl=en_GB&authkey=CKOopvAH
[22:36] <markjones> should help
[22:38] <brobostigon> thank you.
[22:40] <brobostigon> and bits of that need tobe updated, like openoffice.
[22:41] <markjones> updated, and bits removed
[22:41] <brobostigon> ok.
[22:41] <markjones> as we need to mention our LoCo and Translation Teams
[22:41] <brobostigon> yes.
[22:48] <brobostigon> markjones: thats a good basis, but as you said, maybe too technical in parts, unlesstheey are truly that interested.
[22:50] <markjones> yup
[22:52] <brobostigon> debian also needs a mention really, as itsabout ubuntu,
[22:54] <markjones> it's got a mention :P
[22:54] <brobostigon> however, againthat might be too technical or the audience,
[22:54] <brobostigon> for the*
[22:55] <markjones> yeah
[22:55] <brobostigon> soits needs tobe said, ubuntu'srelationship atleastsimply to debian.
[22:57] <markjones> well, describe how Ubuntu is similar to OSX
[22:58] <markjones> without the cost
[22:58] <brobostigon> linuxhotel.de :)
[22:58] <brobostigon> floss basis, unix-like, darwin(bsd)
[22:58] <brobostigon> linux(unix-like=
[22:59] <brobostigon> markjones: thts the direction iwould go, if thats right or not, is another question.
[23:00] <brobostigon> and the basis floss philosophy applies in both.
[23:01] <brobostigon> FSF , oh, maybe not.
[23:06] <brobostigon> markjones: also why is opera in there?
[23:07] <brobostigon> slide 20.
[23:07] <ianto> Opera?
[23:07] <brobostigon> https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0ASuIGA3SepQMZGRtdno2ODJfOTFzMzI5Z3FjNg&hl=en_GB&authkey=CKOopvAH
[23:08] <brobostigon> slide 19.
[23:12] <markjones> *shrug*
[23:14] <ianto> markjones: On the topic of Hacio'r Iaith, you know anything about the Android translation process?
[23:15] <markjones> nope
[23:15] <ianto> I can't find out any information anywhere
[23:15] <markjones> there's nowt
[23:15] <brobostigon> idont know anything either,
[23:15] <ianto> Then how is there a French version? :'(
[23:16] <ianto> Btw we are able to translate Chrome/Chromium to Welsh through Launchpad if we register a Launchpad team to translate with
[23:16] <ianto> Not just an Ubuntu translation team
[23:16] <brobostigon> hmm,
[23:16] <markjones> I'd do that
[23:16] <ianto> I've done it
[23:16] <ianto> waiting for response
[23:17] <ianto> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/141861
[23:19] <markjones> ooh
[23:26] <brobostigon> me tired.
[23:26] <brobostigon> nos da.
[23:27] <markjones> nos da brobostigon
[23:27] <brobostigon> nos da markjones