[00:43] <mrroth> what should I look for a  server maintenance checklist
[00:43] <mrroth> of different clients
[00:53] <mrroth> could I do a simple or thier some web app for Server maintenance checklist
[01:07] <mrroth> is thier any free webbased project mangement app
[01:51] <boota2> hello, anyone alive?
[01:58] <Tm0> Hi. Can anyone help me set up Bind so i can use my VPS? :p
[02:01] <Tm0> Can anyone help me setup Bind?
[02:03] <RoyK> Tm0: google it
[02:03] <Tm0> I did. Suprisingly none of them told me what to do if i had two IP addresses
[02:08] <Tm0> Anyone?
[02:31] <boota2> hello
[02:31] <boota2> if you still need help i'm here and i've got nothing better to do with my time
[02:32] <boota2> so
[02:52] <Kaedenn> I'm trying to download Ubuntu 10.10 SE, but I'm getting a cap of 80MiB/sec
[02:53] <Kaedenn> Is there a mirror closer to the USA I could use?
[02:53] <Kaedenn> Rather than somewhere in the UK
[02:53] <boota2> Is that even a problem?
[02:53] <boota2> It's pretty good speed.
[02:53] <Kaedenn> Normally I get 6 to 7 times that.
[02:54] <boota2> Yo mean, like 8 megabytes per second isn't enough?
[02:55] <boota2> Oh shi, what's this unit you used.
[02:55] <boota2> mebibyte, lol
[02:55] <Kaedenn> Oh sorry >_<
[02:55] <Kaedenn> KiB.
[02:55] <Kaedenn> 80KB/sec.
[02:56] <boota2> There is option to choose a mirror by hand.
[02:56] <Kaedenn> Gah it's been a long day. >_>. Brain is totally fried, like my server.
[02:56] <boota2> It's ok.
[02:56] <Kaedenn> Oh?
[02:57] <boota2> Oh, no.
[02:57] <boota2> There is't
[02:57] <Kaedenn> Yeah, I didn't see one.
[02:57] <Kaedenn> Well, I restarted the download and now I'm getting like 400KB/sec.
[02:58] <boota2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[02:58] <boota2> There are ones.
[03:15] <Kaedenn> Thanks. It's downloading quite a bit faster.
[03:39] <saliak1> Anyone have experience getting digest authentication to work with apache2.2?  basic authentication works fine for me, but I can't figure out why digest isnt' working (the user/pass i put in the htdigest file doesn't work).  i'm not sure what could be going on.  i have a feeling it has to do with the "realm" and "domain" but finding inconsistent answers across the web
[04:50] <UbuntuRules> can anyone give me an idea of where to look to figure out why SWAT doesn't start
[04:56] <UbuntuRules> Ill take any advice at this time: this has been annoying me for a week now
[05:18] <Kaedenn> So, for some reason my server doesn't want to boot from the Ubuntu Server Edition CD.
[05:18] <Kaedenn> Yet it boots just fine from some Windows CD.
[05:19] <Kaedenn> So, I'm confused. Is there a reason the CD wouldn't be bootable, or is there something I should be doing?
[05:23] <jmarsden> UbuntuRules: Is inetd or xinetd running?
[05:24] <jmarsden> Kaedenn: Have you verified the CD by checksumming it using md5sum?
[05:25] <Kaedenn> I have not, but I installed the image from ubuntu.com. o_O
[05:26] <jmarsden> Kaedenn: How does that provide any check against the burner creating a bad copy of the image??
[05:27] <Kaedenn> True. I'm making a USB startup disk and seeing if that works, though.
[05:28] <jmarsden> Kaedenn: You might want to check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM and check the CD, too.
[05:29] <Kaedenn> Erm, "Make Startup Disk" isn't listing my USB stick.
[05:57] <Kaedenn> Okay, now for another advancement. When I try to boot from an Ubuntu USB drive, it just says "Boot error", and nothing else.
[05:57] <Kaedenn> That's all that's displayed on the screen.
[05:58] <jmarsden> Kaedenn: Does that same USB stick boot other machines OK?
[05:58] <Kaedenn> Never tried to boot other machines.
[05:59] <jmarsden> Might be worth checking.  It's a quickish way to see if the issue is with the USB stick, or with the one machine you are trying to boot.
[05:59] <Kaedenn> For some reason, booting hangs when trying to boot a CD. I just get some Intel-specific error code "EB" and the CD drive just spins.
[05:59] <jmarsden> Kaedenn: and the md5sum of the CD checked out fine, right?
[06:00] <Kaedenn> Checking that now.
[06:13] <Kaedenn> jmarsden: The checksum passed.
[06:14] <jmarsden> OK.  Good.  Can you boot a different machine from CD or from the USB stick, as a test?
[06:15] <Kaedenn> I don't have any other machine to test that on >_<
[06:16] <jmarsden> What about the one you are using now, the one you are typing on?   Alternatively, you could download a different small Linux ISO and see if you can get the server to boot from *that*.
[06:18] <Kaedenn> I'm downloading a fork of Tiny Core Linux.
[06:18] <jmarsden> Maybe http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/release/tinycore_3.4.1.iso which is only around 10MB ... OK.
[06:18] <Kaedenn> Actually that one is a quarter of the size.
[06:19] <jmarsden> Unless you are on dialup to your ISP, a 2.5Mb or a 10Mb file will each download in seconds anyway :)
[06:23] <Kaedenn> Doesn't want to boot from that either.
[06:23]  * Kaedenn hits head against desk
[06:23] <jmarsden> How are you creating the burned CDs?  WHat command are you using to burn them?
[06:23] <Kaedenn> Brasero.
[06:23] <Kaedenn> Basically, "Do you want to burn this ISO to a CD?"
[06:24] <jmarsden> OK.  Can you mount the resulting CDs and see the usual set of files on them?
[06:24] <Kaedenn> Yeap.
[06:24] <Kaedenn> And the md5sum checked out OK from the MD5Sums on launchpad.
[06:24] <Kaedenn> Or, help.ubuntu.com rather.
[06:24] <jmarsden> Sounds like the issue is with the server.  Why not test by booting the machine you are currently typing from from one of the CDs?
[06:24] <jmarsden> If it can boot them, you *know* the CDs are OK.
[06:25] <Kaedenn> I'm almost certain it's the server, as I've tried four boot mediums thusfar and they all didn't work.
[06:26] <Kaedenn> Wait, no, five.
[06:27] <Kaedenn> Two separate Ubuntu 10.10 i386 CDs, one amd64 CD, a TCL CD, and Ubuntu 10.10 on a USB drive created from "Create Startup Disk".
[06:28] <Kaedenn> And I tried the USB stick with both i386 and amd64.
[06:28] <jmarsden> It's your choice.  At least theoretically, you created all of those, so you are a common factor, a common possible source of error... so until you boot successfully from one or more of those boot media, you do not *know* that the issue is with the server.  Seems to me you have spent a lot of time creating boot media rather than testing the first bootable medium is really truly bootable... :)
[06:28] <Kaedenn> Looks like I'm going shopping tomorrow.
[06:28] <Kaedenn> True.
[06:29] <Kaedenn> Hey. PEBKAC. It's my motto. :)
[06:29] <JanC> maybe the server doesn't like isolinux, or vice versa?
[06:29] <Kaedenn> No idea!
[06:29] <Kaedenn> It could boot just fine from some random Windows CD.
[06:30] <JanC> Windows doesn't use isolinux  ;)
[06:31] <JanC> it is possible that there is a bug in the BIOS in a function that the Windows bootloader doesn't use
[06:33] <Kaedenn> Fantastic.
[06:33] <Kaedenn> We'll go shopping tomorrow.
[06:33] <Kaedenn> Maybe we can pick up an AMD64 motherboard and leave all this behind us.
[06:34] <Kaedenn> It's late. I need sleep.
[06:34] <JanC> well, you might want to check if there is no BIOS upgrade available
[06:34] <Kaedenn> jmarsden, JanC, thank you for your help.
[06:34] <jmarsden> You're welcome.  Goodnight.
[06:34] <Kaedenn> I will do that tomorrow morning.
[07:09] <Guest28392> Hi eveyone, Does anyone here know about virtualization?
[07:44] <awanti> Hi. I am using Ubuntu server for practice. But in server arrow keys are not working!
[07:50] <awanti> is any one can solve my problem. plz.
[07:54] <CppIsWeird> i'd like to use aufs and im a little confused as to how to get it on my lucid system.
[07:58] <CppIsWeird> i cant seem to find aufs-tools in the repository
[08:18] <WinstonSmith> CppIsWeird, look at  http://admin.alfalinks.lv/en/content/how-install-fsprotect-ubuntu-1004-lucid
[08:25] <CppIsWeird> if i installed the aufs-tools package, i havent installed aufs right?
[08:26] <CppIsWeird> i installed this https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/aufs-tools
[08:26] <jmarsden> CppIsWeird: apt-cache search aufs   # returns fsprotect and live-initramfs   so looking closely at those packages seems appropriate
[08:41] <CppIsWeird> is there any way to get a list of directories/devices involved in a unionfs/aufs?
[09:00] <mrroth> what a simple wiki I can install in ubntu
[09:00] <mrroth> server
[09:27] <lenios> mrothhh, mediawiki?
[09:29] <kerozene> dokuwiki <3
[09:52] <mrroth> hi any one know of a easy to use wiki for ubuntu
[09:54] <lenios> mrothhh, we already gave you 2 wikis
[10:01] <mrroth> thank you
[10:01] <mrroth> bye
[12:39] <jolop> good evening to all. im hoping to get help here, im sure its simple for many of the users here its about ubuntu10.04 server and raid1. fresh install of ubuntu-10.04.1-server-amd64 and i followed the step by step in the https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html but on boot im at the busybox mounting errors
[12:40] <ikonia> jolop: I'll pick it up with you in here as you're also asking in #ubuntu
[12:41] <ikonia> jolop: where did you tell it to install the bootloader ?
[12:41] <jolop> ok ikonia it alright here
[12:41] <ikonia> jolop: did you use a seperate boot partition ?
[12:42] <jolop> from the instructions i only did 2 partitions 1st is the swap file 10gb and 2nd for the / partition remaining of the 500gb also set it to bootable
[12:43] <jolop> no i dont think i used a seperate boot partition
[12:43] <ikonia> jolop: ok, personal experience, you'll find it easier to manage with a seperate boot partition, but that's just personal opinion. Where did you tell the installer to put grub ?
[12:43] <jolop> when it asked, it just asked if i wanted to install the grub on the 1st drive i said yes
[12:44] <ikonia> that should be fine.
[12:46] <jolop> mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/24b8b.... on /root failed: invalid argumant
[12:47] <jolop> thats the firs tline of error
[12:48] <ikonia>  /root ??? that doesn't sound good
[12:49] <ikonia> jolop: boot into the livecd, start the raid array and check the grub config
[12:50] <awanti> arrow keys are not working on Ubuntu server???
[12:51] <jolop> then the next 3 errors are also mount errors just like that but they are realated to the first one not being mounted "/root/dev /root/sys /root/proc
[12:52] <jolop> rebooting to a ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-amd64 is it ok?
[12:57] <jolop> ikonia: thank yu for helping me, im now at the live cd
[12:57] <ikonia> jolop: start the array
[12:57] <jolop> im sorry but how do i do that?
[12:58] <jolop> fdisk -l i see the two drives i dont see the md0 i created
[13:01] <jolop> im installing mdadm first
[13:01] <jolop> then i'll try to start the array
[13:09] <ikonia> jolop: cool
[13:09] <jolop> ikonia: i think a i have already started the array using "mdadm --assemble --scan" but when i "fdisk -l" there is a note there that "Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[13:09] <ikonia> apologies, I keep leaving my desk
[13:09] <ikonia> jolop: ok, so that's the issue, the install didn't happen to md0
[13:09] <jolop> and "Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition"
[13:10] <ikonia> jolop: something has gone wrong with the install, re-install (you may want to follow my suggestion and use a seperate /boot)
[13:11] <jolop> the reason i did only 2 partitions is because i dont have a guide on slicing the 500GB in preparation for RAID1
[13:11] <ikonia> raid1 has nothing to do with your partition layout
[13:11] <ikonia> slice it as you see fit
[13:12] <jolop> while im onit and your here to help me any suggestion on slicing up a 500gb? im using it basically for webserver and redmine
[13:13] <ikonia>  /boot / /var /home  seems sensible to me
[13:13] <jolop> the guide im following only told of swap partition on the beginning of the disk and "/" partition that is bootable for the rest of the drive
[13:14] <jolop> the guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[13:14] <ikonia> because it's personal preference how you slice it up
[13:14] <ikonia> that option I've just given you is just my opinion based on experience
[13:17] <jolop> does the postfix configuration is a requirement for the mdadm, i noticed im always selecting no configuration when its asked after installation of mdadm
[13:22] <jolop> im thinking that the mdadm dis not start on installation when i did no configuration on the postfix that it wants to be installed
[13:24] <ikonia> jolop: postfix is only used for sending alert emails of mdadm failure
[13:26] <RoyK> you can probably use any mta, but postfix is the preferred one
[13:26] <jolop> yes but maybe this time i'll try to configure the postfix install
[13:27] <RoyK> jolop: btw, I'd recommend not slicing up too much - just a gig for the /boot, some swap and the rest for the root is good for most installs
[13:28] <RoyK> just use something to monitor disk usage so it doesn't fill up
[13:29] <jolop> another good soul helping me. thanks RoyK! and thank you Ikonia. im currently wiping the disks before fresh install again.
[13:34] <ikonia> gig for /boot ?
[13:34] <ikonia> 250mb is more than enough for /boot
[13:34] <ikonia> RoyK: did you read what he said about running a web server
[13:34] <ikonia> a seperate /var partition is important for logging
[13:39] <RoyK> not really
[13:39] <RoyK> so long as the drives don't fill up, it doesn't matter
[13:39] <oCean> I agree with ikonia there.. I even separate /var/www on my webservers
[13:39] <jolop> 1m done witht he 1st partition for swap, its 10gb at the beginning, just like th eguide said.
[13:39] <RoyK> and the flexibility of having one large partition is way more important than isolating stuff
[13:40] <RoyK> ikonia: 250MB can easily fill up - beleive me
[13:40] <jolop> now i'll crete the /boot partition is this the one i need to mark as bootable?
[13:40] <RoyK> ikonia: and if you have 500 gigs, 1 less won't matter much
[13:40] <oCean> RoyK: do you collect obsolete kernel versions? :s
[13:41] <RoyK> oCean: or do some testing or ...
[13:41] <ikonia> jolop: the installer will mark what needs to be marked
[13:41] <jolop> is the /boot partition needed to be marked as bootable?
[13:41] <ikonia> jolop: trust the installer
[13:41] <ikonia> jolop: don't worry about bootable flag
[13:42] <RoyK> oCean: with automatic updates, /boot can easily fill up if you don't manually remove old kernels - that's why I want some space there - less hassle
[13:42] <RoyK> and with current drive pricing, 1GB isn't really a lot
[13:43]  * RoyK just checked and old box... $ dpkg -l | grep linux-image| wc 23     248    3176
[13:43] <RoyK> 23 friggin' kernels :P
[13:49] <jolop> finished slicing the 500gb, only 3 partitions, im still afraid on more complications swap, /boot and /
[13:50] <jolop> then on the raid1 devices: 0: as swap, 1: as /boot ext4 and 2: / ext4
[14:01] <RoyK> jolop: how much swap/boot?
[14:12] <pmatulis> not much sense in journaling /boot but ok
[14:15] <jolop> finished the install and its the same error
[14:16] <pmatulis> jolop: using lvm?
[14:17] <RoyK> jolop: what error?
[14:17] <jolop> no lvm
[14:17] <pmatulis> jolop: how many disks do you have?
[14:18] <RoyK> iirc he said one 500GB drive
[14:18] <pmatulis> raid1 with one disk?
[14:18] <jolop> mount error somethign like cant mount /root to /dev/by-uuid-.....
[14:19] <jolop> raid1 2 500gb
[14:19] <RoyK> ok
[14:19] <RoyK> linux software raid?
[14:20] <jolop> ubuntu software raid. following the https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html
[14:20] <jolop> im using ubuntu-10.04.1-server-amd64, hp proliant ml110, 2x500gb hdd, 4gm ram
[14:35] <gobbe> what does your /boot/grub/grub.cfg say, and sudo fdisk -l, upload those to pastebin
[14:39] <ikonia> jolop: do what you did before, boot from the livecd, start the array and see if you can mount it
[14:39] <ikonia> jolop: it is pointless doing anything else until you know the array is valid and contains data
[16:13] <audrey> hello?
[16:14] <pmatulis> hello
[16:14] <audrey> does anyone know of a way to send emails using postfix, when the ISP has blocked port 25?
[16:14] <audrey> is the only way to use the isp's relay?
[16:15] <pmatulis> audrey: you're just sending emails?
[16:15] <audrey> well, it seems to receive emails just fine
[16:16] <audrey> but I can't send any emails unless they're internal
[16:16] <pmatulis> audrey: so, yes, use your isp's smtp server as a relay
[16:16] <audrey> I'm pretty sure (from telnetting) that port 25 is blocked
[16:17] <audrey> is that the only way?
[16:17] <audrey> I'm trying to make it as autonomous as possible (I realise I'm at the isp's mercy anyway)
[16:18] <compdoc> sending isnt usually the problem
[16:18] <compdoc> they dont block 25 outgoing
[16:18] <audrey> really? what could be the problem then?
[16:18] <pmatulis> compdoc: many isp's do not allow outgoing port 25 unless it's to their server
[16:18] <audrey> I assumed it was an anti-spam thing
[16:18] <pmatulis> this is very common
[16:18] <compdoc> well, not all do
[16:19] <audrey> I'm with o2
[16:19] <audrey> in the uk
[16:19] <audrey> they *have* an smtp relay, I just don't want to use it if I don't have to
[16:19] <pmatulis> compdoc: he said he can receive email but cannot send. the only way is to use the isp's smtp server
[16:20] <compdoc> yes
[16:20] <compdoc> Ive seen that too
[16:20] <pmatulis> unless his configuration is screwed up.  but we can only go by what he's telling us
[16:20] <compdoc> so use their outgoing - its not a big deal
[16:20] <mattt> all your mail are belong to o2
[16:21] <audrey> thanks mattt, that's actually quite helpful. I suspected as much. Hence encryption? But how do I make it more stable?
[16:21] <compdoc> I use comcast's outgoing because their reverse dns works, and sites like yahoo, etc. wont block
[16:21] <mattt> audrey: if you have another mail server outside of the o2 network, open up port 587 and use that?
[16:22] <KurtKraut> audrey, in Brazil all ISPs blocked together port 25 due SPAM. There is probably an extensive documentation in how to deal with that.
[16:22] <compdoc> there are mail hop outbound services
[16:22] <compdoc> costs a little extra
[16:22] <audrey> compdoc: is comcast your isp?
[16:22] <compdoc> yes
[16:22] <mattt> audrey: i use be in uk, they do same thing
[16:23] <pmatulis> what would be gained by piping all mail to an isp's server or some other organization's server?
[16:23] <compdoc> I can telnet mail servers on port 25 - but I cant receive on 25
[16:24] <compdoc> pmatulis, theres a few benefits
[16:24] <audrey> ok, so use o2 smtp relay, use encryption, and be ready to link to a second server outside o2.
[16:25] <audrey> ?
[16:25] <mattt> let'er rip
[16:25] <compdoc> encription? youre afraid theyre reading your mail?
[16:25] <audrey> well, They always do.  :)
[16:26] <mattt> unlikely, but possible :D
[16:28] <audrey> Could I not just send mail directly on port 587? What are the likely problems with doing that?
[16:29] <audrey> and, indeed, how would you do that in postfix?
[16:29] <compdoc> unless youre plotting to take over o2, I doubt they will care what you say
[16:29] <compdoc> not all mail servers in the world will accept mail on 587, I dont think
[16:30] <audrey> I suppose it would defeat the point of blocking 25
[16:30] <pmatulis> audrey: you need to first figure out what you want to achieve.  from what i'm reading, you don't know
[16:30] <mattt> audrey: if you have a relay server that accepts mail on port 587, that'd work
[16:30] <mattt> you could relay through it
[16:30] <audrey> ah, ok.
[16:31] <RoyK> you need a relay if the ISP blocks port 25
[16:31]  * RoyK has a private server for that sort of things :P
[16:31] <pmatulis> audrey: you can make your server external to your isp listen on *any* port
[16:31] <mattt> yeah, i use my vps for that sort of thing
[16:32] <RoyK> how much do you pay for a small vps these days?
[16:32] <pmatulis> audrey: and "encryption" only makes sense when authenticating to a mail server that you control
[16:32] <audrey> is there a recommended way of switching relays, or queueing them, so that it uses the backup server if the o2 one stops relaying?
[16:32] <pmatulis> and nothing else
[16:32] <mattt> RoyK: w/ minimal b/w, 15 a month or so?
[16:33] <mattt> RoyK: USD that is
[16:33] <audrey> pmatulis: I meant PGP etc
[16:33] <pmatulis> audrey: ok
[16:34] <RoyK> mattt: wouldn't an EC2 VM from amazon be cheaper than that?
[16:34] <RoyK> for just an MTA, I mean
[16:35] <audrey> is there a recommended way of switching relays, or queueing them, so that it uses the backup server if the o2 one stops relaying? using postfix
[16:36] <mattt> RoyK: ah, potentially ... don't use EC2 myself
[16:36] <mattt> audrey: that question doesn't make much sense
[16:37] <RoyK> audrey: normally you have two or more MX records for a domain, with different priority/cost, which makes the email sent to the primary server, but falling back to the secondary server/MX if the primary can't be contacted
[16:38] <audrey> well, in my /var/log/mail I can see if a message didn't get sent (eg if o2 stops relaying), so is there a way of sending it via a secondary server if o2 fails?
[16:38] <audrey> royk: isn't that for incoming mail?
[16:38] <RoyK> er.. yes
[16:39] <RoyK> why shouldn't outgoing mail work?
[16:39] <mattt> audrey: what is sending it through o2?  a mail server or something else?
[16:39] <RoyK> except if the ISP blocks port 25, that is
[16:39] <audrey> royk: I'm recieving mail fine, I think o2 isp are blocking port 25 outgoing except to their server
[16:39] <mattt> audrey: they are, most ISPs do that
[16:40] <mattt> audrey: their mail server may start blocking connections from you if you're abusing their system btw
[16:40] <audrey> mattt: I'm not sure yet. I was going to try this: http://www.zimbra.com/forums/installation/1538-sending-mail-using-your-isp-relay-host.html
[16:41] <audrey> yeah. I don't think I'll be spamming anyone though...
[16:41] <mattt> you sure?  :D
[16:41] <mattt> audrey: postfix should retry if it can't relay the message through o2
[16:41] <mattt> up to a certain # of days, then it'll drop the msg
[16:41] <audrey> I wouldn't know where to start, except maybe lol-spam :D
[16:42] <RoyK> mattt: dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[16:42] <audrey> yeah, but the motivation is to be as autonomous as possible (which I realise in this case is a lost cause)
[16:45] <mattt> audrey: may want to look at something like a vps then
[16:45] <RoyK> http://aws.amazon.com/free/ <-- looks good :)
[16:46] <audrey> lol, thanks. But how do you trust your vps host not to have a snoop-hypervisor?
[16:48] <mattt> audrey: dude, you're right paranoid :D
[16:48] <audrey> yeah, I know :D
[16:48] <audrey> but if They can boot Wikileaks, They can boot me
[16:48] <RoyK> audrey: it's a matter of trust, or money, if you're paranoid, get your own gear and a good internet connection
[16:49] <audrey> royk: that's been my approach. What exactly makes a connection "good"?
[16:49] <audrey> not port-blocking :)
[16:51] <RoyK> well, a 100Mbps link is quite good
[16:51] <audrey> I'm guessing that not having an isp (or being your own isp), even if it were possible, wouldn't be exactly easy
[16:51] <RoyK> audrey: if you're located in the US or China or Iran or something, they have global sniffing in the backbone anyway
[16:52] <audrey> Royk: ORLY? but surely that only picks up on unencrypted transmissions?
[16:53] <RoyK> audrey: it's still pretty hard to break RSA, yes
[16:53] <audrey> :) AFAWK
[16:54] <audrey> it's a fairly endless spiral, this distrust
[16:54] <RoyK> but I somewhat think China is trying to break that with that new supercomputer of GPus
[16:56] <audrey> ok, thanks guys
[16:56] <audrey> ttyl
[17:13] <shauno> does ufw only store rules in /etc/ufw? I seem to be missing something
[17:16] <thesheff17> shauno: ufw is actually built on top of iptables.
[17:16] <compdoc> I think it creates iptables rules and stores them there
[17:16] <compdoc> I like it
[17:17] <compdoc> theres a gufw if you have a desktop. it works well
[17:17] <compdoc> where does iptables store rules between boots?
[17:21] <shauno> I think that's what I'm looking for .. they must persist on disk somewhere between boots
[17:22] <thesheff17> shauno: just doing ufw enable will persist through reboots
[17:22] <shauno> but I'm now discovering the host doesn't have ipt_MASQUERADE available, which is more likely to be why copying rulesets across didn't work
[19:58] <pehden> can some one ping pehden.net
[19:58] <pehden> then www.pehden.net
[19:58] <pehden> tell me if both fail
[19:58] <monteith> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[20:00] <pehden> monteith: thanks that will do it
[20:01] <pehden> monteith: well actually that doesnt work
[20:02] <pehden> my browser redirects to www.pehden.net
[20:05] <pehden> and then my other browser says not found
[20:05] <pehden> host pehden.net
[20:05] <pehden> pehden.net mail is handled by 1 pehden.net.
[20:06] <pehden> but www.pehden.net resovles my ip
[20:21] <EvilPhoenix> pehden:  then its DNS issues
[20:21] <EvilPhoenix> oh
[20:21] <EvilPhoenix> btw
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> pehden:   pehden.net. CNAME pehden.ath.cx.   ;  www.pehden.net. CNAME pehden.ath.cx.   ;  pehden.ath.cx. A 69.92.177.4
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> that's the DNS entries
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> i omitted a duplicate entry
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> pehden:  its likely not a dns issue then, rather an issue with your webserver
[20:22] <EvilPhoenix> and its configuration
[20:23] <EvilPhoenix> oh wait, you're having issues with multiple browsers?
[20:23] <EvilPhoenix> what DNS servers are those systems using?
[20:26] <EvilPhoenix> actually i should beasking what browsers
[20:26] <EvilPhoenix> :p
[20:29] <pehden> thats what i was thinking
[20:29] <pehden> ff
[20:29] <pehden> and arora
[20:30] <pehden> with ff pehden.net redirects to the www.pehden    but in arora pehden.net fails
[20:30] <pehden> due to time out
[23:23] <latenite> Hi folks, I have a connection on my netstatlist that I would like to know more of. Its line 6 and 14. How do I find out what service is on that port? http://pastebin.com/Xcqm4JAB
[23:25] <Pici> latenite: Run netstat with sudo and be sure to include the -p switch
[23:25] <Pici> That should tell you the process
[23:27] <latenite> Pici, nice flag thanks. Sadly the data I pasted is from yesterday. Is there still a way to find out? today it looks like that http://pastebin.com/RDBYErT0
[23:30] <Pici> latenite: I'd be completely guessing, but it looks like it *might& be skype, the port numbers are in similar locations and a quick search reveals that skype doesn;t use any specific preset ports.
[23:33] <latenite> yeah maybe :) hey thanks a lot :)
[23:33] <Pici> np