[00:02] <mbana> is it possible to find out what packages i last installed
[00:02] <mbana> never mind
[00:02] <mbana> sorry
[00:04] <brobostigon> nos da,sleep well all.
[00:05] <jacobw> night brobostigon
[00:05] <brobostigon> night jacobw
[00:10] <sgeh> hi
[00:10] <sgeh> anyone using NX here?
[00:10] <sgeh> weekend quietness
[00:12] <stuphi> Middle of the night quitness :-)
[00:12] <sgeh> yeah
[01:18] <luke_> hello?
[01:18] <luke_> #empathy
[01:18] <luke_> :( how do i get to empathy?
[01:19] <Azelphur> luke_: /join #empathy
[01:19] <luke_> thanks :)
[01:20] <luke_> actually, maybe you can help me? :) i was wondering how i find out what codec my webcam is recording because i cant stream with some people because they dont have the codec
[01:22]  * hamitron sighs
[02:12] <dr_barnowl> quiet
[02:12] <dr_barnowl> /nick awilkins
[02:13] <dr_barnowl> Crap, stupid phone client
[06:44] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. 1l of fresh tea
[09:33] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:37] <daubers> morning
[09:52] <daubers> Ah ha!
[09:52] <daubers> Managed to break unity
[09:53] <daubers> I also have no right click in terminator..
[09:53] <daubers> ah, how odd, it's back now
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> the way Unity is implemented is a bit weird imho
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> the "part of the wm, but not quite"
[09:59] <danfish> wotcha
[10:03] <daubers> I really do quite like Unity. Still a little buggy, but thats expected at this point in it's development
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> I can't stand the dock thingy and global menus
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> Which is basically "all of unity"
[10:04] <daubers> I like the dock thing :) Specially the way it runs away whe I move my windows close to it
[10:04] <twager> I have a complete freeze with Natty after todays dist-upgrade
[10:04] <daubers> I think global menus are one of those things that grows on you over time
[10:05] <daubers> I probably use Macs too often to notice it too much really
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I've tried using macs for months and I couldn't get used to it
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> also, macs don't have focus-follows-mouse, which I love
[10:07] <dutchie> i can't get used to macs
[10:07] <jacobw> i'm not a massive fan of global menus, but as daubers says they probably grow on you over time
[10:08] <popey> morning
[10:08] <jacobw> morning :)
[10:08] <danfish> jacobw: so does mould, and I'm not a great fan of that ;)
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:09] <jacobw> danfish: i wouldn't be without my mould :p
[10:09] <danfish> :)
[10:10] <daubers> focus follows mouse irratates me, and I can't pin down why :(
[10:10] <danfish> hmm - I keep getting an "unreadable MCE error" on boot since upgrade to the latest kernel
[10:11] <popey> http://utilitybidder.co.uk/ :)
[10:12] <popey> daubers: ffm on unity or on std gnome?
[10:14] <daubers> popey: Either
[10:14] <popey> well its broken in unity
[10:14] <daubers> Admittedly not tried it in Unity
[10:14] <jacobw> i've got a strange issue with maverick, i've created a keyboard shortcut to a pygtk script, but using the shortcut breaks my makes my external monitor mirror the laptop monitor
[10:14] <daubers> annoyed me in std gnome when I used it for a bit
[10:14] <popey> i get annoyed in OSX and Windows which dont have ffm
[10:14] <HazRPG> ffm?
[10:15] <daubers> All bugs aside, the one thing that really annoys me in Unity is no Alt+F2
[10:15] <popey> yeah
[10:15] <daubers> I've half assumed gnome-do or somesuch will appear in time....
[10:15] <jacobw> this is the pygtk script btw, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9943718&postcount=16
[10:15] <popey> gnome-do is apparently dead :(
[10:15] <daubers> :(
[10:16] <jacobw> really? :(
[10:16] <popey> thats what gord said when I last mentioned it
[10:16] <HazRPG> I agree with everything that micromart said about all things linux
[10:16] <HazRPG> "10 Things Linux Must Do In 2011"
[10:17] <daubers> Wonder if something will come into to add a run command thing
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: wait.. this isn't the year of the Linux Desktop?
[10:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: xD
[10:18] <HazRPG> same thing every year right ;)
[10:19] <dutchie> daubers: popey: there is a bug filed on it somewhere
[10:19] <jacobw> 2006 was the year of the linux desktop
[10:19] <dutchie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/580295
[10:20] <HazRPG> jacobw: isn't every year the year of the linux desktop?
[10:20] <jacobw> HazRPG: yeah, but some are better others
[10:20] <HazRPG> :P
[10:20] <dutchie> note how most of the comments on that are the milestone it's targetted to being pushed back :(
[10:21] <HazRPG> oh, there's a point
[10:21] <HazRPG> what's the best place for like linux news?
[10:21] <HazRPG> or even an open-sourced linux mag or something...
[10:21] <daubers> dutchie: Ooooh, at least it has a milestone fix suggestion :)
[10:23] <dutchie> daubers: yeah, but the milestone it was originally targetted to was 0.2.2, and now it's 3.6...
[10:23] <popey> daubers: its less that it's not working, more that its not implemented
[10:23] <danfish> HazRPG: try lxer.org
[10:23] <popey> ALT+F2 is what the gnome panel does
[10:23] <popey> no gnome panel, no ALT+F2
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> :(
[10:26] <daubers> popey: Yeah, but reading that bug an alternative has been suggested relativley recently and the last milestone has it being assigned to someone to impliment that alternative
[10:27] <HazRPG> danfish: thanks :)
[10:29] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12261124
[10:29] <jacobw> :o
[10:29] <awilkins> Kimchi!
[10:30] <HazRPG> hurray \o/
[10:31] <HazRPG> popey: I think I fell in love with graze.com xD
[10:31] <daubers> I do love the way that if the Unity dock is off the screen and a new app opens, it's icon just pops over the edge of the screen a little and gives a cheeky wave
[10:31] <HazRPG> daubers: copied from OSX much ;)
[10:32] <daubers> HazRPG: It's more fun than the OSX one, that just glows a bit and buldges.
[10:32] <HazRPG> daubers: >_< I was just about to say that xD
[10:33] <awilkins> Problem with graze.com is that the packages would never pass through the corporate sphincter
[10:33] <awilkins> I'd be reduced to packing yesterdays into my laptop bag
[10:34] <awilkins> Mini tupperware and Julian Graves may be the solution.
[10:36] <HazRPG> xD
[10:36] <awilkins> The trains are still bobbins. Didn't expect that. :-|
[10:38] <popey> :) HazRPG
[10:39] <popey> daubers: cool
[10:39] <HazRPG> haha, really liked reading this article: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/70841
[10:39] <dutchie> hrm
[10:39] <dutchie> might stick natty on my netbook at some point
[10:40]  * jacobw opens yesterdays graze box
[10:40] <jacobw> no olives :(
[10:41]  * daubers dons headphones
[10:42] <awilkins> Crunchy breadsticklets?
[10:42] <jacobw> cashew nuts :( i'm not a fan of the nut punnets
[10:44] <HazRPG> make sure to unlike them
[10:44] <HazRPG> I had cashew nuts yesterday too... no like those
[10:44] <HazRPG> the oriental crackers were lush though!
[10:44] <jacobw> i should, i always forget to rate or slate
[10:45] <jacobw> oh yes, oriental crackers ftw
[10:45] <awilkins> Mmmm peanuts crackers ..... Droool
[10:45] <jacobw> the wasabi ones awilkins?
[10:45] <awilkins> Ooh, even better
[10:46] <awilkins> I go to a chinese supermarket for oriental snack gratification
[10:46] <jacobw> lol
[10:46] <HazRPG> :o
[10:46] <awilkins> Their new line of crunchy ramen noodles was moreish
[10:47] <jacobw> hmmm ramen :)
[10:48] <awilkins> Not so sure about dried durian sausage
[10:50] <Neoti> Hi All, does anyone know where i can get a list of all 64Bit chips or at least a list of all CPUs and if its a 64Bit CPU or 32 bit CPU ?
[10:50] <awilkins> Will soon have pots of kimchi. Am going to kimchi workshop. Korean lunch. Mmm.
[10:51] <AlanBell> Neoti: pretty much anything new is 64bit
[10:51] <awilkins> Neoti: wikipedia have a good list. If you have shell access to the machne you can list it's CPU features to determine its arch.
[10:53] <Neoti> see im building a media center and want a 64bit cpu, now im not thick on cpus but i just can not find a difinitive list of MAKE, MODEL, 64 or 32 etc ... and its anoying ... lol
[10:54] <AlanBell> relax, it will be 64bit
[10:54] <awilkins> Anything new is a 64 bit in general, esp. Desktop models.
[10:54] <AlanBell> some early Atom chips were 32 bit
[10:54] <awilkins> Yes, they are netbook models
[10:55] <awilkins> (ahem)
[10:55] <AlanBell> now you would have to be hunting out an odd embedded chip to find 32bit
[10:55] <awilkins> Righto, train is here
[10:55] <Neoti> aha... good old wiki.... right at the bottum of a page it lists which Itel chips and E numbers which are 64bit ... YEY... im a happy bunny now ... lol
[10:55] <Neoti> dont take much ... he he
[10:55] <AlanBell> :)
[11:00] <directhex> Neoti, it's 2011. there are no 32-bit intel cpus except for atom. if it's not atom, it's 64-bit
[11:01] <Neoti> ok cheers.... just thought i would ask.... YIPPEEEEE
[11:02] <Neoti> im also now desiding on a dual-core or a core i5 cpu .... the i5 should be better but is it ?
[11:02] <gord> yes
[11:02] <gord> yes it is
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> i5 is dual core
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> itym "Core Duo", that was the generation before i3/5/7
[11:07] <HazRPG> Agreed
[11:09] <HazRPG> all i5's from 650-680 are dual-core'd processors capable of doing hyper threading (so in this case, 4 threads at a time)
[11:09] <Neoti> ok, my media center will have a TV tuner card, core i5, 2gb ram, 500GB hdd, HDMI out and blueray, unforchanetly i will put windows on there with Media portal , the hdd will be Raid 1 mirrored as i dont want to lose all me media and will rsync to my freeNAS box so i have a backup and for shared access to content etc... does this sound ok ?
[11:10] <gord> Neoti, nope!
[11:10] <gord> Neoti, for a media center its waaaay overpowered
[11:10] <Neoti> lol
[11:10] <HazRPG> the 750, 750S and 760 are quad-core's... but no hyper-threading... so your getting true 4 threads over 4 cores
[11:10] <gord> mine is a single core 1.6ghz atom cpu with an nvida ion chipset, plays 1080p content just fine
[11:11] <Neoti> is that the ion or something like that ?
[11:11] <gord> not sure why your going with windows either
[11:11] <Neoti> some thing like a zotec ion thingy
[11:11] <gord> "hz atom cpu with an nvida ion chipse"
[11:12] <HazRPG> hmm, yeah dude you don't need to place windows just make a media centre, plus those specs would be MORE than ideal for a media server
[11:12] <Neoti> ok i am going with windows as a base for this as i love media portal and there is going to be more than me using it , also when i have had media center based on ubuntu before it did not cut it .... sorry ubuntu.....
[11:13] <gord> were you using xbmc?
[11:13] <HazRPG> I was just about to ask that
[11:13] <Neoti> no, i seen it but only plaid with media portal
[11:13] <gord> well theres your problem
[11:14] <Neoti> ok guys, build me a media center .... specs software the lot my budget is around £600 ... goo...
[11:15] <gord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHx0SL2NDSY my xbmc setup running on an acer revo (around £200) - thats all you need
[11:16] <HazRPG> there's also boxee
[11:16] <HazRPG> which I really enjoy using
[11:16] <HazRPG> although xbmc is great too
[11:17] <Neoti> argh.... sorry you have no sound ... argh .... the video is good but my one gripe with people on youtube is that you can hear sound in the background but the person does not talk about the set up and stuff just flicks through stuff....im watching the video now ...... sorry ....
[11:18] <Neoti> also i love the android app thingy ...
[11:18] <Neoti> i want it ...
[11:18] <Neoti> its nice ...
[11:20] <Neoti> ah ... you like minecraft.... i once lost an entire day from just playing that ... he he
[11:24] <Neoti> HazRPG, i hope i have not affended u with my comment .... sorry..... :(
[11:25] <HazRPG> Neoti: nah you haven't the oven dinged
[11:27] <HazRPG> MONKEY MAGIC! :O!
[11:27] <HazRPG> where did you get it from!?
[11:28] <Neoti> ?????
[11:28] <HazRPG> gord: where did you get the monkey magic from? The tv show!
[11:29] <HazRPG> btw Neoti it really isn't hard to setup xbmc
[11:30] <Neoti> lol stupid Q ... i have to have an Xbox right and then do some kinda of voodoo magic to put it on there ?
[11:30] <HazRPG> have a play with it, it works on windows/linux/mac: http://xbmc.org/
[11:31] <HazRPG> lol no, it was originally designed to stream stuff to the xbox... but its since expanded its project
[11:31] <Neoti> i will have a play .... its easiyer on windows tho ... with media portal ... but i will have a play just cos imgeeky like that ...
[11:33] <HazRPG> is it going to be hooked straight into a tv? or how are you planning on using it exactly?
[11:35] <Neoti> bassically getting a nice HTPC case and putting it under the TV with a HDMI cable... setting it for 1080p goodness and stream youtube and revision 3, copy films, music, photos to it ... mybe have the odd plug in for asterisk to alert me of a call the CLID and maybe add the emulator stuff to it for old NES and SNES games ... not too sure yet
[11:37] <HazRPG> guessing its not intended to replace your desktop though?
[11:37] <HazRPG> doesn't sound like you need amazing hardware then
[11:37] <Neoti> oh no ... defo not ... just media that its .... only a remote control and the software to autostart on boot and bee full screen etc...
[11:38] <HazRPG> I think your graphics card will properly be the main thing
[11:38] <HazRPG> and some decent ram
[11:38] <HazRPG> btw, boxee is another good one - its based around xbmc
[11:38] <Neoti> im just installing xbmc on my ubuntu pc now ...
[11:38] <HazRPG> http://www.boxee.tv/
[11:39] <HazRPG> cool, I'm sure you'll like it
[11:39] <Neoti> well im not i'll just blame you :) ...
[11:40] <HazRPG> :P
[11:40] <Neoti> sorry should be well if not
[11:40] <Neoti> well if not i'll just blame you :) ...
[11:40] <HazRPG> I figured ;)
[11:40] <HazRPG> personally, do what the heart tells you - we can only suggest and advise
[11:40] <HazRPG> if you get the i5, etc
[11:41] <HazRPG> means you can do more with it in future should you wish to
[11:41] <HazRPG> i.e. make it an emulator pumping machine too ^^,
[11:42] <HazRPG> e.g.* (not i.e.)
[11:44] <Neoti> ok XBMC seems kool....
[11:45] <HazRPG> Boxee, like I said is similar to XBMC except it adds on a social aspect to it too
[11:46] <X3N> loving how usb tethering just works
[11:46]  * X3N is on a train
[11:47] <HazRPG> X3N: hehe, what you using?
[11:47] <Neoti> cool.... usb teth....
[11:49]  * MartijnVdS considers going for a walk
[11:49] <HazRPG> Neoti: have you checked out the boxee stuff?
[11:50] <HazRPG> I remember having a beta account for boxee, I really really loved it
[11:55] <popey> anyone good with lvm?
[11:55]  * popey pokes daubers 
[12:07] <daubers> popey: lo
[12:07]  * daubers awakens from Minecraft
[12:08] <jonsaint> hi all. how often does ubuntu do these new upgrades because i got version 9 on cd and there seems very little difference between 9 and 10.
[12:08] <daubers> jonsaint: The version numbers are year.month, so I think you're talking about 9.10 and 10.04?
[12:09] <jonsaint> yes thats it
[12:09] <daubers> jonsaint: There's a new release every 6 months, with lts releases every.... 2 years?
[12:09] <daubers> !lts
[12:09] <jonsaint> so i take it the next release is 11.04?
[12:09] <daubers> jonsaint: Yup
[12:09] <daubers> !11.04
[12:10] <jonsaint> will all that be sorted when it comes to oficial release then?
[12:10] <daubers> Should be
[12:10] <daubers> Thats the aim anyway :)
[12:11] <HazRPG> will what be all sorted sorry?
[12:11] <jonsaint> im fairly new to ubuntu, ive been on the dark side for many years and got sick of all the viruses and stuff so i was told to try this. taking a bit of getting used to but so far i like what im seeing.
[12:12] <Neoti> Hey Jonsaint..... welcome to the light side of the force ....
[12:13] <jonsaint> thanks! neoti. it looks pretty easy to use and all this community support too which is great! microsoft wouldnt even dream of doing anything like this without asking what sort of credit card your using first lol
[12:13] <jacobw> welcome to #ubuntu-uk jonsaint
[12:13] <Neoti> lol.... thats true....
[12:14] <jacobw> community support is fantastic :) you might want to sign up for the mailing list for more in depth discussions
[12:14] <jonsaint> so i can basically do near enough the same as what i could do on the other o/s??
[12:14] <Neoti> i have been using ubuntu on and off for a while .... but now i have a job where i am in terminal all the time so i thought stuff it i might as well just use ubuntu and put my ssh keys on all the systems etc.
[12:16] <Neoti> jonsaint , you can do most maybe 98% of all the stuff you can do on windows on linux.... though , some windows specific programs you do have to use windows but i get around that with using virtual box in ubuntu and installing windows in there . :P
[12:16] <jacobw> jonsaint: most people can, sadly some people require proprietary software that only runs on Windows
[12:19] <jonsaint> well i only tend to use this for web browsing and burning the odd dvd. but im looking more into ubuntu and how it works etc. i got absolutly no knowledge of ubuntu what so ever lol
[12:19] <Myrtti> oh dear. I just watched some videos of Minecraft on youtube and now I'm actually thinking of purchasing the game. HELP? tell me not to.
[12:20] <Neoti> you must purchase the game ...... lol
[12:20] <Neoti> its awesome...
[12:20] <Neoti> you actually lose time
[12:21] <Pendulum> Myrtti: join me in my resistance to Minecraft. Just keep saying "I like my job and getting sleep" over and over ;-)
[12:21] <Neoti> "I like mine craft and building things"
[12:22] <Neoti> he he
[12:22] <Myrtti> Pendulum: nnngghghhghhhhghgh
[12:23] <jonsaint> what is minecraft lol
[12:24] <Neoti> look it up on google .... and play a couple of hours i mean minuets... lol ... he he
[12:24] <Neoti> if we dont hear back from you for a few days we will know you found it ... lol
[12:27] <jonsaint> it dont look too bad
[12:27] <jonsaint> and this is for ubuntu???
[12:27] <Neoti> see you in about a week then .... you will lose whole days to it ...
[12:27] <Pendulum> jonsaint: from what I can tell, it's crack for geeks
[12:27] <Neoti> nope its for all os... its web based
[12:28] <Neoti> pendulum, ;)
[12:28] <Neoti> its more addictive then the most adictive drug ...
[12:28] <dwatkins> People have made arithmetic logic units and music players with minecraft, it's got all sorts of hoopy features
[12:29] <jonsaint> soon as i get some money in my account il get this game.
[12:29] <Neoti> oh no another addict!!!!
[12:30] <dwatkins> I've never played it.
[12:30] <Neoti> there goes another one too ...
[12:30] <Neoti> lol
[12:31] <jonsaint> so is this room specifically for uk users of ubuntu then?
[12:31] <popey> kinda
[12:32] <popey> Myrtti: :)
[12:32] <jacobw> i heard someone mention minecraft at a house party last night, i was suprised that anyone outside of the geek community knew of it
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> jonsaint: There are a few peeps who hang out in here not from the UK too.
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> We don't mind :-)
[12:32] <jonsaint> im probably the only person in my city thats running this lol. time to spread the word i think!
[12:33] <jacobw> jonsaint: you might be suprised at who else uses ubuntu
[12:33] <popey> jonsaint: what city?
[12:33] <Neoti> jonsaint , where are you from
[12:33] <jonsaint> wolverhampton
[12:33] <AlanBell> lol
[12:33] <AlanBell> I don't think you are the only one
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hello AlanBell
[12:33] <AlanBell> hello TheOpenSourcerer
[12:33] <jacobw> jonsaint: there are some prominent ubuntu people in wolverhampton
[12:33] <Neoti> im from notts.... i sure there are some people out there some place .... wait people out side ... holy hell when did this happen ...
[12:33] <popey> you aren't the only one by some margin
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> How was your trip back from the big "B" then?
[12:33] <jonsaint> now thats suprised me lol
[12:33] <Myrtti> perhaps I should learn to play first
[12:34] <jacobw> isn't stuart langridge in wolverhampton?
[12:34] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: quite easy really, I was on the brand new boat, first day of sailing
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shiny!
[12:34] <AlanBell> smelled of new carpets rather than seasickness :)
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Enjoy the course?
[12:35] <AlanBell> yes, writing up an article about it
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[12:35] <AlanBell> it was nice and technical
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good.
[12:37] <HazRPG> jonsaint: Heh, just catching up with topic
[12:37] <HazRPG> jonsaint: welcome to #ubuntu-uk, I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay here ;)
[12:37] <AlanBell> is Davmor2 from wolves?
[12:37] <jonsaint> thanks hazrpg. i hope i made the right choice.
[12:38] <HazRPG> jonsaint: Trust me you did :)
[12:38] <Neoti> jonsaint : yes you have ...
[12:38] <AlanBell> Jono Bacon was, but now lives in the states
[12:38] <HazRPG> you'll get better support and responses from us then microsoft will ever give
[12:39] <dwatkins> jonsaint: http://www.wolveslug.org.uk/
[12:39] <jonsaint> so heres me thinking im all alone when really i could have walked past half a dozen ubuntu users in the shops lol
[12:39] <HazRPG> jonsaint: full convert, or dual-boot at the moment?
[12:39] <HazRPG> shocking isn't it :p
[12:39] <jonsaint> full convert. i completly formatted my drive, put on 9.10 which i had on cd and then went to v10
[12:40]  * HazRPG still trying to find me an ubuntu/linux girl
[12:40] <Neoti> HazRPG look on youtube for NixiePixel..... shes hot as hell and a big supporter of ubuntu
[12:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> My eldest son (10) wants a video editor on Ubuntu. Which one do any of you prefer? Pitivi, Openshot Kino, Avidemux ...
[12:41] <HazRPG> Neoti: oh trust me, I know of her xD
[12:41] <Neoti> Kdenlive
[12:41] <Neoti> LOL hazrpg
[12:41] <HazRPG> Neoti: Although, what's the chances she gets random people e-mailing her all the time asking her out... so thought nah, would be daft to
[12:42] <jacobw> PiTiVi seem powerful enough without being over complicated
[12:42] <Neoti> who ever is dating her is very very lucky.... not only is she sexy, but also knows about geeky stuff .... how good is that ... he he
[12:42] <jacobw> who says women can't be geeks?
[12:43] <HazRPG> ikr!
[12:43] <HazRPG> I was shocked with one girl that I'd known for years... she hears me talk about geeky stuff all the time and makes out like she doesn't know
[12:43] <Neoti> no one .... its just not that common at the moment although there is a growing population of geeky girls like Nixiepixel ...
[12:43] <jacobw> and also, why is it such a suprise that a woman who identifies as a geek is also attractive
[12:43] <HazRPG> I went round to fix her computer once... and found she had a linux distro on xD
[12:44] <jacobw> hehe HazRPG
[12:44] <HazRPG> ubuntu no less, although she'd managed to configure it to look soooo very different
[12:44] <HazRPG> damn, friend zone xD
[12:44] <Neoti> lol i know what you mean HazRPG....
[12:44] <Neoti> the whole friendzome ... dam it ....
[12:45] <HazRPG> a women who can configure an ubuntu distro to her own liking is just mega win though
[12:45] <HazRPG> I almost got a bit too excited when I saw it xD
[12:45] <dwatkins> HazRPG: how about one who hackintoshes her Eee because it's faster than Ubuntu? ;)
[12:45] <Neoti> YUK!
[12:45] <HazRPG> (not literally of course)
[12:46] <HazRPG> dwatkins: still a win in my eyes
[12:46] <Neoti> hey is there a website like http://www.wolveslug.org.uk/ for people in Nottingham
[12:46] <HazRPG> http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/
[12:46] <jonsaint> i saved that site in my favourites
[12:46] <HazRPG> just type the county/city in and type LUG next to it :P
[12:46] <HazRPG> (in google I mean)
[12:46] <dwatkins> HazRPG: she's a win in my eyes, too - this particular woman also liked the Apple sticker I ironically put on my Eee (although it still runs Ubuntu or Joliloud) :D
[12:47] <HazRPG> :P
[12:49] <dwatkins> I'm just saying there are plenty of female geeks out there.
[12:51] <jonsaint> well im outta here folks. be back on later.
[12:51] <dwatkins> ciaon jonsaint, have fun
[12:51] <dwatkins> *ciao
[12:52] <jonsaint> cheers. byeee
[12:53] <Neoti> i want another PC for my ubuntu stuff ... was thinking of http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=476279&CatId= on the ubuntu website its suppose to be certified ... any thoughts?
[12:53] <daubers> I love the smell of plastic glue
[12:53] <daubers> smells like creativity
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> it smells like DEATH
[12:55] <dwatkins> What kind of glue is plastic glue, Araldite?
[12:57] <gord> Neoti, it'll work well enough, honestly most things do (i just buy random things, they always work fine) - but your paying for windows there
[12:57] <daubers> dwatkins: Araldite is epoxy resin
[12:57] <AlanBell> what is the correct capitalisation of postgres?
[12:57] <dwatkins> daubers: ah ok, I've seen people use Araldite to glue plastic things together
[12:57] <Neoti> i know ... its the only downside...
[12:58] <dwatkins> Neoti: freecycle?
[12:58] <Neoti> dwatkins ?
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: PostgreSQL
[12:58] <AlanBell> thanks
[12:59] <daubers> dwatkins: I think it's also called Polystyrene Cement
[12:59] <dwatkins> thanks daubers
[12:59] <daubers> dwatkins: Araldite is uber glue. Much stronger than plastic glue :)
[12:59] <daubers> dwatkins: This stuff http://www.wargamestore.com/25g-Revell-Contacta-Professional-Plastic-Glue-p-17408.html
[12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Araldite is an Epoxy Resin glue. Very strong.
[12:59] <dwatkins> daubers: for most things, yes, but it doesn't stick all plastics
[13:00] <dwatkins> you can get boxes from Ikea which are smooth on the outside, which araldite doesn't adhere to
[13:00] <daubers> Really? Shocking
[13:00] <daubers> dwatkins: According to wikipedia, it's essentially super glue
[13:00] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate
[13:01] <daubers> the plastic stuff, not epoxy :)
[13:01] <AlanBell> Araldite is not cyano
[13:02] <AlanBell> polystyrene cement=superglue=cyano
[13:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoxy
[13:02] <daubers> :)
[13:04]  * Neoti happy
[13:05]  * daubers needs some more pva
[13:05] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:12]  * Neoti Now has a nice new ZFS thing on my system for storing more files.... YEY!!!
[13:12] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[13:14] <HazRPG> brobostigon: howdy dudwe
[13:14]  * Neoti off to do some house work *BOOOO*!!!
[13:14] <HazRPG> dude*
[13:14] <dwatkins> I'd really like to get a Drobo for general file storage and redundancy.
[13:14] <dwatkins> I should do that too, Neoti - Lego Star Wars is currently distracting me, though ;)
[13:15] <brobostigon> HazRPG: afternoonings, :)
[13:15] <brobostigon> hiya dwatkins :)
[13:15] <winniesun> evenings....:)
[13:16] <brobostigon> shwmae winniesun :)
[13:16] <Neoti> erm why did my message just come out as >< ARGH!!!
[13:16] <Neoti> dwatkins lol .... minecraft was distracting me .... but i think i managed to get away from it .
[13:17] <dwatkins> Well, it's a game, it's supposed to distract ;)
[13:17] <winniesun> brobostigon: I do not know what is shwmae...sorry...
[13:18]  * Neoti right i really must be off for some house work ..... but mine craft is soo addictive... must resist!!!
[13:18] <brobostigon> winniesun: its a word in welsh, the has a similer meaning to greetings,or something like that.
[13:19] <HazRPG> brobostigon: how's things? Long time no speak
[13:19] <winniesun> brobostigon: Oh...google tells me too..thanks
[13:19] <HazRPG> brobostigon: seems your always signing out when I'm signing in xD
[13:20] <brobostigon> HazRPG: up and down, my eczema has recently been badly infected, and its juststarting to improve again. and have been playing alot recently with android 2.3 onmy htc dream. how about you?
[13:20] <brobostigon> winniesun: :)
[13:21] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ouch, well glad its getting better though :). Ooo, you've got a HTC Dream? Is it any good? I'm still waiting for 2.3 for my Nexus One :(
[13:21] <HazRPG> part of me wants to root it, but part of me thinks it would be silly to do so while its still in warranty
[13:22] <HazRPG> yeah, I'm good sort of, been having mega trouble sitting down recently - being sat in front of a computer is bad for your health lol
[13:22] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its perfect, other than a slight lack of ram. i am having my suspicions though, it isnt recieving sms's properly.
[13:22] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmm, tha is odd
[13:23] <brobostigon> HazRPG: agreed, yes.
[13:23] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i need to find a test, it is recieving calls properly, i hve checked allsettings,cant see anything wrong,
[13:23] <HazRPG> I find it annoying how android timestamps the text messages under the time you actually receive the message, and not the time that's actually posted in the header of the network sent time
[13:24] <jacobw> yes, however it is useful for bets where you assert that someone cannot text you by a given time :p
[13:24] <HazRPG> brobostigon: do you have many apps installed on it?
[13:24] <HazRPG> brobostigon: also, has it been like that since you bought it or since updating to 2.3?
[13:24] <brobostigon> HazRPG: a few, in combination with having some on sd.
[13:25] <brobostigon> HazRPG: 2.3
[13:25] <dwatkins> I'm torn about rooting my HTC Desire HD
[13:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh, it came with 2.3 you mean?
[13:25] <HazRPG> dwatkins: know the feeling
[13:25] <HazRPG> I hate the lack of language support
[13:25] <dwatkins> It's a nice phone, big screen and all, just not sure I want to potentially kill it - although I gather the risk is low
[13:25] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no, its only happened since i updated it from 2.2.1 to 2.3.
[13:25] <HazRPG> really annoys me when my cousins and family send me texts in arabic and I can't view them at all :/
[13:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmm, how odd
[13:26] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and rooting , was the only way, i would have been able to update it, to anything higher than 1.6.
[13:26] <brobostigon> and iwasnt going to stay backk with 1.6.
[13:27] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah
[13:27] <HazRPG> I've heard that people on 2.3 have been having issues with sms getting sent to the wrong people too...
[13:27] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and rooting canbe useful, youcanthenuse thingslike setcpu.
[13:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ooo nice
[13:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am keeping an eye on that issue, with myoutgoing sms count.
[13:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: might be worth going with one of the true open-source android options
[13:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: an aosp version, is what i am running already.
[13:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: like cyanogen, since it irons out such bugs
[13:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it is a  compiled from cyanogen's htc dream git for gingerbread.
[13:30] <brobostigon> afternoonings czajkowski :)
[13:30] <winniesun> seems Android is popular all over the world :)
[13:30] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[13:30] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh...
[13:30] <HazRPG> winniesun: slowly getting that way
[13:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its a suspicion, its not confirmed at all.
[13:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh right
[13:31] <HazRPG> have you tried texting yourself?
[13:31] <dwatkins> I'm running 2.2.1, I think I need new storage first.
[13:31] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no,
[13:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: might be worth trying
[13:31] <brobostigon> HazRPG: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9987696&postcount=2
[13:32] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thats the compiled version, i have here.
[13:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon: or if you have a skype account with some credit on it, you could always send yourself a text using that too
[13:32] <brobostigon> HazRPG: very true, yes.
[13:35] <winniesun> HazRPG: yeah,more people will choose NOKIA in my town,not everyone have time to play apps
[13:36] <winniesun> HazRPG: sorry.. grammar  faults..
[13:36] <HazRPG> winniesun: just because you don't have time for apps, doesn't mean you can't benefit from an android phone - one of my friend's dad's has an android phone, and he barely uses apps... he finds that it works so much better than any phone he's ever used before.
[13:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, seems Cyanogenmod is up to version 6 (or 2.2), so that might be what the issue is
[13:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon: saying that, it does mention on the link you sent that it was an alpha
[13:38] <HazRPG> might be better for you to actually revert back to Cyanogenmod 6 (or 2.2.x) until it gets a bit more stable
[13:38] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, however that is based onwhat was last in git for htc dream inside cynogenmod git, and that is gingerbread.
[13:40] <bigcalm[mob]> Afternoon peeps
[13:40] <HazRPG> personally I'd download one from this list instead: http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/files/category/1-stable-mod/
[13:40] <HazRPG> brobostigon: the one in the git repo is a nighly build I think
[13:40] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ie http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922499
[13:43] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, that was the stable version i was running, cm 6.1, and have a nand backup of it, so i can easily restore to it.
[13:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah cool
[13:43] <glynn-home>  aye aye
[13:44] <togster> Afternoon
[13:44] <winniesun> HazRPG:good standpoint...android is attractive to me because I can make my own phone
[13:45] <HazRPG> winniesun: exactly
[13:45] <winniesun> shwmae togster
[13:45] <HazRPG> winniesun: you have more customisability with them too, whether your technically-minded or not
[13:46] <HazRPG> winniesun: plus if you are into apps, best thing is apps on the market place show you exactly what access is being given to that app - so you have no excuse if you run into trouble with what your doing, something the other companies haven't caught up on yet
[13:47] <brobostigon> winniesun: Prynhawn da
[13:47] <brobostigon> winniesun: is good afternoon.
[13:47] <HazRPG> in fact that's a feature built straight into the actual package files themselves, so no matter whether you get the app from the market place or download it from various websites, you know exactly what type of access your giving that application
[13:48] <winniesun> brobostigon:nice to talk with you,I can practice my English
[13:48] <brobostigon> winniesun: and then in 2.2 you can set in a very fine grained way, what ever app on the system had permission to do, seperatly from the normal app permissions.
[13:48] <brobostigon> winniesun: welsh is a different language to english.
[13:49] <winniesun> brobostigon:oh,but my mother language is Chinese
[13:49] <brobostigon> winniesun: stick with english, ignore the welsh words i use. it will make things simpler.
[13:50] <HazRPG> totally
[13:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: masa alkhar :)
[13:50] <winniesun> brobostigon: next year i will study in canda..is it a different language to english?
[13:50] <HazRPG> masah* even
[13:50] <brobostigon> winniesun: they speakenglish in canada.
[13:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: no, they still use english - just the slang words you might have to adapt to
[13:51] <HazRPG> heh, wrong person link
[13:51] <HazRPG> meant to type winniesun
[13:51] <brobostigon> :)
[13:51] <winniesun> hehe
[13:51] <winniesun> :)
[13:52] <HazRPG> winniesun: however they also speak french only in certain parts of canada - so you'll have to watch out for that
[13:52] <brobostigon> yeah, i forgot about that HazRPG.
[13:53] <winniesun> HazRPG:yeah..tks...in waterloo people speak English
[13:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: like in switzerland, partly german and partly french, again.
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> Belgium
[13:54] <winniesun> nice..i have a knife from switzerland..very useful
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> Dutch and French
[13:54]  * Neoti House work complete... yey
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[13:55] <winniesun> MartignVdS:Is Dutch  a language?
[13:55] <brobostigon> winniesun: yes,
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> winniesun: it is
[13:55] <brobostigon> winniesun: they speak it inthe netherlands.
[13:56] <AlanBell> also known as Holland
[13:56] <winniesun> hehe, I google it..called 荷兰 in  china
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "the UK, also known as England"
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: :P
[13:56] <winniesun> :)
[13:56] <dutchie> \o/
[13:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and scotland and wales. :)
[13:56] <dutchie> and NI
[13:56] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: are there bits of the Netherlands that are not in Holland?
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: yes.. 10/12ths aren't called Holland (Flevoland, Zeeland, Friesland, Groningen, Overijssel, Drenthe, Gelderland, Utrecht, Limburg, Noord-Brabant)
[13:58] <czajkowski> dutchie: oi and EI mister
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and then there's North Holland and South Holland :)
[13:58] <dutchie> czajkowski: not in the UK...
[13:58] <AlanBell> wow, never realised that
[13:58] <winniesun> Thanks,I learned many words today...British people are very gentle :)
[13:58] <togster> There's also an area of Englanad called Little Holland
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_the_Netherlands for a map :)
[13:59] <brobostigon> winniesun: always, :)
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> togster: we have a town called "America" in Limburg
[14:00] <togster> MartijnVdS: I think they should sue for copyright infringment
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> togster: doesn't work like that
[14:01] <togster> MartijnVdS: I was joking
[14:01] <AlanBell> http://www.minbuza.nl/en/You_and_the_Netherlands/About_the_Netherlands/General_information/Holland_or_the_Netherlands
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: that's an official government site :)
[14:04] <togster> Quick (ubuntu-related) question: Is it possible to actually burn the Natty alpha (or daily build) isos to normal CDs. They seem to be too big...
[14:04] <togster> Apologies for the missing question mark there
[14:04] <dutchie> use a dvd or a usb stick then
[14:05] <dutchie> i presume they will trim then down as release gets closer
[14:05] <brobostigon> togster: youare right, they seem oversized right now, usb seems the bestsolution.
[14:05] <brobostigon> dutchie: yes,theywill. :)
[14:06] <togster> I just wondered, as burning them to cd seems like something that should be tested
[14:07] <popey> thats exactly what happens togster
[14:07] <popey> it frequently goes oversize before release
[14:07] <togster> Fine, I obviously just hadn't noticed in previous release cycles
[14:10] <balor> popey: did you get your fire sorted?
[14:11] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no bug, my mum just sent me an sms from here "three" android phone.nd recieved it.
[14:11] <popey> balor: kinda
[14:11] <popey> balor: http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current.png
[14:12] <bigcalm[mob]> Need moar iron
[14:12] <popey> bottom right, started a forest fire
[14:12] <popey> bigcalm[mob]: found some!
[14:12] <popey> switched map to night mode
[14:12] <popey> looks nicer
[14:12] <jacobw> i've installed the banshee plugin for ubuntu one, but how to i get banshee to access previously purchased music?
[14:12] <bigcalm[mob]> Do I dare load the map from my phone?
[14:13] <balor> popey: So it wasn't even metaphorical.  Just virtual.
[14:13] <balor> popey: Thank $DEITY for that.
[14:13] <popey> correct
[14:13] <popey> yes!
[14:13] <popey> bigcalm[mob]: probably best not
[14:13] <balor> popey: I thought you were one of those people who'd be on IRC telling us that your house was burning down, but you were waiting for this download to complete.
[14:13] <popey> bigcalm[mob]: 3.2MB :)
[14:14] <popey> :)
[14:14] <popey> I am kinda
[14:14] <bigcalm[mob]> It worked. Looks pretty
[14:14] <popey> one christmas at a relatves house we had a table decoration which was a candle inside some decorative fluff
[14:14]  * balor makes dinner
[14:14] <popey> bigcalm[mob]: i can see lava on the map
[14:14] <popey> we all left xmas dinner table and went to watch telly
[14:15] <bigcalm[mob]> Yes,  lets make a mob grinder :D
[14:15] <popey> i wandered back into the kitchen only to discover decoration on fire
[14:15] <popey> :)
[14:15] <popey> yes!
[14:15] <popey> and went back to the lounge and said 'hey, your kitchen is on fire'
[14:15] <popey> quietly and calmly
[14:15] <exobuzz> heh
[14:15] <popey> 'yeah right alan'
[14:15] <bigcalm[mob]> Lol
[14:15] <popey> 'no, it really is on fire'
[14:15] <popey> i went back and to the sink to fill something with water
[14:15] <popey> only thing I could find was a collander
[14:16] <bigcalm[mob]> Doh
[14:16] <exobuzz> did you tweet it before putting it out also ? ;-)
[14:17] <popey> heh
[14:17] <popey> this was pre-twitter
[14:18] <popey> I KNOW! There is a pre-twitter era!
[14:19] <bigcalm[mob]> Guess I should crawl out of bed, find food then start mining
[14:19] <exobuzz> oh. pre twitter. hmm. did you dial up your local fidonet node, and post a message about it or put it on usenet ? :)
[14:20] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: what did you think of Withnail and I?
[14:20] <popey> enjoyed it
[14:20] <popey> especially with extra port and cheese
[14:20] <bigcalm[mob]> Scrubbers!
[14:21] <popey> I'm heading to the wood house
[14:21] <popey> we're nearly met up
[14:21] <popey> but the tracks are at different altitudes :)
[14:21] <bigcalm[mob]> Cool. I'll resume in a bit
[14:21] <bigcalm[mob]> Not a problem
[14:22] <popey> we need to build stations and platforms :)
[14:22] <popey> and sidings :)
[14:22] <bigcalm[mob]> Can you get a boat under your viaduct?/
[14:22] <exobuzz> are you playing that game again ? :)
[14:22] <popey> yes
[14:22] <bigcalm[mob]> Laters
[14:22]  * exobuzz gives up on reloading uk-podcast for a new episode then ;-)
[14:28] <czajkowski> anyone got the etherpad link to the cloud expo stuff?
[14:33] <daubers> czajkowski: I'm going to that now \o/
[14:34] <czajkowski> daubers: ohh really which day ?
[14:34] <czajkowski> trying to decide to go wednesday or thursday
[14:34] <daubers> czajkowski: Not sure yet. Probably Wednesday... but have to work it in with the work calender
[14:35] <czajkowski> nods
[14:37]  * daubers ponders what to cook for dinner today
[14:37] <czajkowski> daubers: pancake
[14:37] <czajkowski> *pancakes
[14:37] <Pendulum> daubers: food
[14:38] <jacobw> sweet potato oat cakes :)
[14:38] <mattt> pancakes for dinner?  ewwww
[14:38] <daubers> I could actually home make some crispy pancakes
[14:38] <daubers> maybe with some kind of chilli type mincy filling
[14:42] <exobuzz> i have sausage and mash at7am
[14:42] <exobuzz> had
[14:42] <jacobw> great way to start the day :)
[14:42] <exobuzz> with homemade onion gravy and peas..
[14:42] <jacobw> hmm :)
[14:43] <jacobw> night shift?
[14:43] <exobuzz> i had been up all night by accident on the computer
[14:43] <jacobw> easily done :p
[14:43] <dwatkins> oops
[14:43] <exobuzz> "just check this email and go to bed". "crap its 6am"
[14:44] <exobuzz> i blame the internets
[14:44] <daubers> http://www.channel4.com/food/recipes/chefs/hugh-fearnley-whittingstall/crispy-pancakes-recipe_p_1.html
[14:48] <exobuzz> make a pancake. dip it in breadcrumbs.. and you have to get to #9 for that "secret" :)
[14:52] <exobuzz> when i think of hugh, this clip always comes to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN_6K8MWscE
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> ZOMG!!! We are all doomed! http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/01/22/057227/Last-Days-For-Central-IPv4-Address-Pool
[15:05] <penguin42> I think there are very few UK people with DSL routers that can do IPv6, so it's going to be an arse to change
[15:07] <Darael> Well, BT are doing test deployments with some users, VM's line is "we have no plans to deploy IPv6 at this time" (gits), don't know about anyone else.
[15:09] <brobostigon> no idea about carphone warehouse,or o2, but heard nothing to confirm nor otherwise.
[15:10] <brobostigon> well evetaully the isp's will have to, otherwise they woont be ble to assign ip's to customers anymore. and therefore not have anymor customers.
[15:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer must learn more about IPv6.
[15:11] <Darael> Andrews and Arnold do it native over BT or Be lines, but are (of course) pricey.
[15:11] <brobostigon> Darael: and entanet.
[15:11]  * TheOpenSourcerer also needs to get on and deal with his Tax return shortly.
[15:11] <Darael> brobostigon: Well, they probably think they can just NAT huge groups of people.  The geeks will suffer, and the rest may not even notice.
[15:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> But, frankly, can't be ar**d right now.
[15:11] <Darael> Except that their torrents will slow down, of course.
[15:11] <brobostigon> Darael: maybe.
[15:12] <Darael> That or they think "ah, we have plenty of addresses assigned in reserve, we'll do it later" and will keep thinking this right up until they run out completely.
[15:12] <brobostigon> Darael: that would be bad planning.
[15:13] <Darael> Which is far from unheard of.
[15:13] <mattt> anyone know if BE are doing anything ipv6 yet?
[15:13] <Darael> "We don't care, we don't have to care, we're the phone company" - or the ISP, as the case may be.
[15:13] <brobostigon> mattt: we are just discussing isp's doing that.
[15:14] <mattt> i dunno wtf these companies are doing
[15:14] <mattt> but they better shift into gear
[15:14] <Darael> mattt: It would appear that /they/ don't know either.
[15:14] <penguin42> the thing is they're going to have to send people new routers as well; it'll be doable for the companies tha talready send people routers
[15:14] <brobostigon> ipv6 tunnelling is a good testing device,but certainly not a long term solution.
[15:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was considering moving from my current ISP to Zen, they at least have an IPv6 plan... http://www.zen.co.uk/latest-news/zen-prepares-for-ipv6.aspx
[15:15] <Darael> penguin42: Well, they could issue firmware upgrades for the routers they already issue.
[15:15] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: thats good atleast,
[15:15] <penguin42> Darael: There are a lot of varieties out there
[15:16] <Darael> penguin42: Hence "for the routers they already issue" - they already support those, in theory at least.
[15:16] <awilkins> Since most of them run some flavour of linux shnouldn't be too hard
[15:16] <AlanBell> czajkowski: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/linuxexposchedule
[15:16] <penguin42> Darael: Yeh but it varies by ISP, not all customers use ISP supplied routers
[15:17] <awilkins> The hard part was the drivers
[15:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: anh decisiion on which day is beer day ?
[15:17] <Darael> penguin42: Indeed, but it should help alleviate it.
[15:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: or both days beer days
[15:17] <awilkins> Have a dangerous quantity of kimchi in my bag. hmm. Beeeeer.
[15:18] <AlanBell> czajkowski: every day is a beer day
[15:18] <czajkowski> ok
[15:18] <awilkins> Except for cider day
[15:19] <czajkowski> it's part of your 5 a day
[15:19] <czajkowski> apples good for you
[15:20] <AlanBell> and chocolate is technically a vegitable
[15:20] <Pendulum> healthier than beer! ;)
[15:20] <awilkins> Cider, perry, wine, all fruit based booze
[15:20] <awilkins> Beer is good for B vitamins
[15:21] <awilkins> Probably why they are "B" vitamins
[15:22] <brobostigon> hehe
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! 13% of my tax return done... AlanBell, I will probably need some figures for FY2010 at some stage.
[15:24] <AlanBell> best do mine
[15:24] <AlanBell> at some point
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> You have 8 days.
[15:25] <awilkins> /me is almost happy to be a PAYEr
[15:25] <awilkins> Stupid non-emoting phone IRC client.
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bored & cold now. Off to watch a film with the kids in front of the fire.
[15:35] <kvarley> how can I stop flash videos (specifically iplayer) from exiting fullscreen on dual monitors in ubuntu. When I have it fullscreen on one screen and try to use the other screen it exits fullscreen once I click on stuff
[15:35] <mattt> damn, ronnie has a killer signature
[15:35] <Neoti> Has any one got the PPTP VPN working in 10.10 ...
[15:36]  * Neoti Needs PPTP VPN fixing in 10.10.... come on ubuntu team...
[15:55] <AlanBell> how is it broken?
[15:56] <Neoti> if i set up a standard PPTP VPN to a windows server it keeps saying failed.... if i use my laptop and create the same vpn it works so the VPN is fine its just ubuntu ...
[16:00] <AlanBell> in the advanced button of the pptp configuration thingie you might have to turn off some authentication methods that are broken in Windows
[16:00] <AlanBell> CHAP or something
[16:00] <Neoti> i have followed many ubuntu how toos on trying to fix this like turning on MPE and only have mschap and stuff... i thinks is a core Ubuntu problem.... not sure tho
[16:01]  * Neoti getting dinner will return soon
[16:03] <AlanBell> Neoti: file a bug
[16:19] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: please to review my blog postie when you have a sec
[16:45]  * brobostigon restores his htc dream back to android 2.2.1, 
[16:46] <brobostigon> good thing i made a nand backup, :)
[16:51] <knightdroid> Hey everyone
[17:18]  * Neoti im back.... 
[17:18] <Neoti> hey people im back
[17:19] <brobostigon> wb Neoti
[17:19] <Neoti> Thanks
[17:19] <brobostigon> :)
[17:21] <Neoti> i think i might have some USB and ZFS fun ... i have some old usb sticks so gonna make a ZFS filesystem out of them i think in a raidz1 on a USb 2.0 hub ...
[17:38] <bigcalm> How do you assign more memory to a Java app such as minecraft?
[17:39] <popey> it says on the main download page
[17:39] <popey> java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
[17:40] <bigcalm> Ok, I'll give it a go, ta
[17:44] <bigcalm> popey: http://myrant.net/popey_minecraft.png
[17:44] <popey>  i gave mine 2048 and 1024 respectively
[17:45] <gord> i don't bother changing it for my client, doesn't seem to make any difference
[17:47] <HazRPG> *sigh*
[17:47] <HazRPG> I thought the blu-ray drive inside a PS3 would be easier than this to connect to a PC :/
[17:48] <HazRPG> stupid proprietary ribbon cable format :/
[17:48] <HazRPG> what a waste
[17:50] <ali1234> why not just buy a bluray drive.......
[17:50] <brobostigon> interesting, google goggles can help me with sudoku's now, :)
[17:51] <ali1234> HazRPG: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1011038
[17:51] <HazRPG> brobostigon: woah no way!
[17:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: apparently.
[17:54] <HazRPG> ali1234: thanks, saw something similar in google but not this thread, reading now
[17:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not tested it though.
[17:54] <ali1234> does it have standard 0.1" pins?
[17:55] <HazRPG> ali1234: just out of interest, what did you type in google? I've been trying "PS3 Blu-ray drive in PC" and similar
[17:55] <ali1234> i typed PS3 BD drive connect in PC
[17:55] <HazRPG> ali1234: it's a 60 pin ribbon
[17:55] <HazRPG> ah
[17:55] <brobostigon> my dad is buying a curry tonight, yay, :)
[17:55] <ali1234> then i read one of the forum posts and i found this guy called "godzown" figured it out
[17:55] <ali1234> so then i googled for that
[17:58] <ali1234> HazRPG:  if it's standard IDE connector type but with 60 pins: http://tinyurl.com/6252v4u
[17:59] <ali1234> if it's one of those flat printed ribbons then i dunno what they are called
[17:59] <HazRPG> yeah, it's a flat ribbon cable
[18:00] <ali1234> meh, give up. you can't do much with those unless you solder each wire individually
[18:00] <ali1234> just buy a drive they aren't expensive now
[18:00] <HazRPG> yeah I know, seems to be the general consensus at the moment
[18:02] <HazRPG> I'm good with a soldering iron... however the bare contacts on the ribbon are just way too thin and small for a standard iron
[18:02] <ali1234> you can't solder onto the ribbon, don't try it
[18:02] <ali1234> you have to solder to the connector
[18:02] <HazRPG> that n the fact that even if I did try... my hands would probably wobble all over the place xD
[18:03] <ali1234> maybe you can get the latching connector from farnell but idk what they are called
[18:04] <HazRPG> only reason I'm looking into it is because my friend just got a new PS3 to replace he broken one (was gonna cost more to fix then to get a new one :/)
[18:04] <HazRPG> and he just gave me the PS3 in bits (cos he wanted his game out)
[18:04] <ali1234> easier to fix the thing yourself than to try to salvage the bits, i think
[18:04] <HazRPG> possibly
[18:04] <ali1234> oh, a puzzle then
[18:05] <HazRPG> we got the game out, which was good
[18:05] <HazRPG> just wish we could use some of the parts out of this damn thing
[18:06] <ali1234> repair it
[18:06] <HazRPG> I could rive out the connector port from the actual motherboard itself, however the pins on that are way too tiny too :/
[18:06] <ali1234> why did it fail?
[18:06] <HazRPG> Flashing red light of doom
[18:06] <ali1234> so PSU is good
[18:06] <brobostigon> see you later guys and gals,
[18:06] <HazRPG> yeah
[18:06] <ali1234> or partly good anyway
[18:06] <Neoti> bye....
[18:06] <HazRPG> brobostigon: catch ya later dude
[18:07] <HazRPG> brobostigon: have fun
[18:07] <brobostigon> bye HazRPG, cheers, :)
[18:07] <brobostigon> bye Neoti :)
[18:07] <ali1234> maybe it's drifting out of spec due to capacitor problems... that's the normal reason electronics dies
[18:07] <HazRPG> ali1234: well the whole thing was fine until the whole thing just crashed in-game apparently
[18:08] <ali1234> if so it will be caps in the PSU section
[18:08] <HazRPG> this is very true
[18:08] <ali1234> anyway try not to electrocute yourself, i'm going for dinner
[18:08] <HazRPG> however some sites said that the cause is due to bad thermal paste used in the PS3 apparently
[18:08] <HazRPG> ali1234: haha sure I'll try not to xD
[18:08] <HazRPG> enjoy
[18:27]  * Neoti Listening to a nice bit of rammstein - Du Hast!!.... 
[18:27] <markjones> Afternoon
[18:33]  * bigcalm drums his fingers
[18:33] <popey> back
[18:33] <markjones> does anybody have any supplies of Ubuntu Pens/Stickers?
[18:36] <Azelphur> hmm, update has made my system continually freeze
[18:36] <Azelphur> x 100%s and ssh is only responsive for a short time then that dies too
[18:37] <gord> markjones, i think the ubuntu shop does if you need some
[18:38] <gord> shop.ubuntu.com i think?
[18:38] <markjones> gord, yeah, we have 9 days and limited budget
[18:57] <Azelphur> yea definitely need some help here my x keeps freezing
[18:58] <Azelphur> it freezes for like 5-10 seconds a couple of times then dies completely
[18:59] <Azelphur> i cant even switch to a tty
[18:59] <Azelphur> but music is still playing
[18:59] <hamitron> what you done to it?
[19:00] <Azelphur> updated
[19:00] <hamitron> vid drivers?
[19:00] <Azelphur> i dunno, just normal apt updates
[19:01] <Azelphur> but since the update i cant use my pc for more than 20m without a freeze
[19:02] <hamitron> GTX570?
[19:02] <Azelphur> yea
[19:02] <AlanBell> markjones: what did you have in mind?
[19:02] <hamitron> first thing I'd do, make sure it isn't overheating it
[19:03] <Azelphur> nope it chills out at 40c
[19:03] <hamitron> cool :)
[19:03] <Azelphur> 50*
[19:03] <Azelphur> phone typing \o/
[19:04] <hamitron> you not disabled X on startup?
[19:04] <Azelphur> huh?
[19:05] <hamitron> I'd stop the GUI from starting for a start
[19:05] <Azelphur> basically "make my desktop machine useless" :P
[19:05] <hamitron> no, do that so you can boot up and fix it
[19:05] <hamitron> ;/
[19:06] <Azelphur> I can boot up
[19:07] <Azelphur> I'm talking to you using it now - it won't last long most likely though
[19:07] <Azelphur> this is my third hard reboot in 2 hours
[19:07] <markjones> AlanBell, stickers, CD's, posters, anything really
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> nvidia \o/ ?
[19:07] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yup
[19:07] <hamitron> I'd try changing to the vesa driver
[19:08] <hamitron> or nv
[19:08] <Azelphur> (19:05:35) Azelphur: basically "make my desktop machine useless" :P
[19:08] <Azelphur> XD
[19:08] <hamitron> then you get a stable system to work on the problem
[19:08] <hamitron> ;/
[19:08] <Azelphur> haha
[19:08] <Azelphur> I can work on the problem, how would I start debugging it?
[19:09] <hamitron> I'd look at the driver version and see if there is anything on the nvidia site first
[19:10] <Azelphur> there's a newer version on the nvidia site that says it fixes crashes with x 1.9
[19:10] <directhex> build a package from it
[19:10] <directhex> nvidia-installer will eat your babies
[19:10] <hamitron> :)
[19:10] <Azelphur> I see :P
[19:10] <Azelphur> directhex: any step by steps for doing it?
[19:11] <Azelphur> I know how to install from command line but I don't want to break apt updates when they are available
[19:11] <directhex> Azelphur, download source package, replace .run files inside, bump debian/changelog ?
[19:11] <hamitron> there may be a PPA? if this is common?
[19:11] <Azelphur> I see o.O
[19:11] <hamitron> lots of graphics card whores like the latest :)
[19:12] <czajkowski> evening chaparoos
[19:12] <Azelphur> yea, a ppa would be handy
[19:12] <hamitron> hi cz
[19:12] <hamitron> and ffs, need reboot
[19:12] <hamitron> :/
[19:13] <hamitron> winblows ftl :/
[19:17] <AlanBell> markjones: yeah, what were you going to do with them? just hand them out or something different?
[19:22] <markjones> AlanBell, hand them out during a barcamp style conference
[19:23] <hamitron> my new nero oem comes with nerolinux \o/
[19:23] <AlanBell> markjones: oh, not the expo thing then
[19:24] <AlanBell> markjones: what is the event?]
[19:24] <markjones> AlanBell, "Hacking Language"
[19:24] <markjones> http://haciaith.com/what-is-hacior-iaith-english/
[19:25] <ali1234> what does that even mean?
[19:26] <markjones> ali1234: Hacio = Hacking. Iaith = Language
[19:26] <ali1234> yes, what does "hacking language" mean?
[19:27] <mgdm> try reading the page
[19:27] <markjones> ^ this
[19:30] <hamitron> all welsh to me ;)
[19:32] <ali1234> it's not very specific
[19:38] <markjones> ali1234, that's because a 'barcamp'  conference is very loosely structured ;)
[19:38] <AlanBell> so are you demoing the welsh translation of Ubuntu?
[19:38] <AlanBell> and getting more people involved in that?
[19:39] <markjones> yeah
[19:39] <markjones> well, we're trying to promote Ubuntu
[19:41] <AlanBell> any idea how many people are expected?
[19:42] <markjones> 30
[19:44] <mgdm> I used to run my Ubuntu in Scottish Gaelic
[19:44] <mgdm> it gave me a bit of a fright when someone actually translated some of it
[19:56] <czajkowski> froodie: boo
[19:56] <froodie> oi oi
[19:56] <czajkowski> froodie: so what's the issue and we can see if we can help
[19:57] <froodie> stuttery/glitchy audio playback
[19:57] <froodie> am running maverick on a samsung N150
[19:58] <czajkowski> froodie: what app are you using to watch stuff?
[19:58] <czajkowski> as is does it happen on just one app ?
[19:59] <froodie> a .avi in vlc
[20:01] <czajkowski> froodie: have you tried a different player
[20:01] <czajkowski> as VLC was a bit crap for me over xmas
[20:01] <froodie> yeh, movie player doesn't play at all
[20:01] <czajkowski> :s
[20:01] <froodie> i'd had the glitchy/stuttery audio problem before
[20:01] <czajkowski> thats usually where I go and annoy the gstreamer folks
[20:01] <froodie> and tried a fix i found in the forums, which worked
[20:02] <czajkowski> froodie: let me go and ask
[20:02] <froodie> adding tsched=0 to a line in etc/pulse/default.pa
[20:05] <markjones> pulseaudio's a pain
[20:05] <diplo> evenin all
[20:06] <czajkowski> froodie: this is who could help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielTChen
[20:09] <froodie> thankyou
[20:09] <froodie> and yes, pulseaudio is a pain :)
[20:10] <czajkowski> but movie player should work
[20:10] <czajkowski> bit odd it not working
[20:10] <czajkowski> froodie: get stuck again pop in, nobody gives out to folks for askig for help in here
[20:10] <czajkowski> tis a bit quiet this evening
[20:12] <froodie> czajkowski: movieplayer gives pulseaudio errors also
[20:13] <czajkowski> froodie: that's odd
[20:13] <czajkowski> froodie: have you logged a bug about it ?
[20:13] <czajkowski> as on maverick it in theory should work
[20:13] <czajkowski> very odd
[20:22] <froodie> czajkowski: installed alsa instead
[20:22] <czajkowski> ahh smart
[20:22] <froodie> works :)
[20:22] <froodie> thanks for your help!
[20:22] <czajkowski> froodie: great stuff
[20:22] <czajkowski> froodie: if you get time and report the m player bug let me know so can follow up on it
[20:22] <hamitron> :)
[20:23] <froodie> bug will probably be called "pulseaudio can bite me"
[20:23] <froodie> now, to my movie
[20:23] <froodie> bye :)
[20:28] <ali1234> i disabled pulse, haven't found a problem yet
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: try switching sound output seamlessly on the fly
[20:29] <ali1234> how? i only have 1 output
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> I can select bluetooth audio and any playing sound will just "hop over"
[20:30] <ali1234> that assumes that the sound actually plays in the first palce
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> same with input.. I can connect my USB "handset" or record player and I can select them as "the" input device
[20:30] <ali1234> my soundcard has a line in, i can plug anything i want into that
[20:31] <hamitron> changing cables is so last year ;)
[20:32] <ali1234> i should get a HDMI cable. the driver for my video card probably does a better job of audio than the HDA driver
[20:32] <ali1234> then i might go back to pulse
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> works fine on my hda :)
[20:32] <hamitron> I've read the nvidia driver only does video, is that true?
[20:32] <ali1234> well it shoulds up in the audio devices
[20:32] <ali1234> *shows
[20:32] <ali1234> but i have no idea if it works
[20:32] <ali1234> nouveau probably only does video though
[20:33] <hamitron> I read the binary driver did also
[20:33] <hamitron> but can use something else alongside I think
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> afaik the Nvidia HDMI stuff is "just" HDA as well?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> it is for Intel
[20:34] <ali1234> the problem is not all HDA cards are equal
[20:34] <hamitron> but my VGA monitor doesn't take hdmi, so I wasn't worried :)
[20:34] <ali1234> HDA is a spec that replaces AC97
[20:34] <ali1234> and just when the drivers finally covered nearly all AC97 quirks too
[20:34] <hamitron> :/
[20:35] <ali1234> nearly anyone you find with sound problems on linux is using HDA... couldbe because it is so common, or it could be because it just sucks, i dunno
[20:36] <hamitron> I dunno why they have to complicate it with options to select what certain jack ports do
[20:36] <ali1234> my card has a quirk where it thinks headphones are plugged in when they aren't
[20:36] <hamitron> just use green for speakers... red for mic, blue for line in, and black for line out
[20:37] <hamitron> ah, my AC97 does that
[20:37] <ali1234> it always switches to the wrong input unless i select "independent hp"
[20:37] <hamitron> :/
[20:37] <hamitron> but it does it in winblow too
[20:38] <hamitron> hp?
[20:38] <hamitron> headphones?
[20:39] <ali1234> apparently yeah
[20:39] <ali1234> it took me ages to figure it out
[20:39] <hamitron> I just got horse power in my head
[20:39] <hamitron> :/
[20:39] <hamitron> and tomato sauce
[20:56] <czajkowski> popey: ping a ling long
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: something to get it out again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
[20:56] <hamitron> get it out? :s
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: of your head
[20:57] <hamitron> ah
[20:57] <hamitron> :)
[20:57] <hamitron> will be a while before it loads...
[20:58] <hamitron> MartijnVdS: is it worth waiting an hour for?
[20:58] <hamitron> well, 20 mins
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: what? the video?
[21:00] <hamitron> yeh ;/
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: only if you don't like Rick Astley ;)
[21:00] <hamitron> gonna pass I think
[21:01] <hamitron> only just got past the right hand side of the play button
[21:15] <Azelphur> directhex: what package should I be looking at for nvidia?
[21:23] <directhex> src:nvidia-graphics-drivers
[21:23] <Azelphur> directhex: so apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers ?
[21:23] <directhex> yes
[21:24] <Azelphur> cool :P
[21:24]  * Azelphur has never done any packaging things before
[21:34] <brobostigon> shwmae
[21:46] <HazRPG> brobostigon: err... I know this one... evening? :)
[21:46]  * markjones waves at brobostigon
[21:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: shwmae is justa greeting, noswaith dda is good evening.
[21:47] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh, well then... azayak :D
[21:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: is that celt*
[21:48] <brobostigon> ?
[21:48] <HazRPG> nope :P
[21:48] <HazRPG> its arabic
[21:48] <HazRPG> means hello
[21:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: oh, i see.interesting.
[21:48] <HazRPG> ^^,
[21:51] <HazRPG> urgh... almost bed time
[21:52]  * brobostigon gets HazRPG a nightcap.
[21:52] <Azelphur> directhex: inside the package there are 2 nvidia.run files, one ends in -no-compat32
[21:52] <Azelphur> can I get that from somewhere? does it matter for me?
[21:52] <HazRPG> hehe
[21:53] <HazRPG> Azelphur: haha I imagine you saying that last sentence as if you were king or something ^^,
[21:53] <directhex> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/
[21:54] <Azelphur> o.O
[21:54] <HazRPG> it was just the end of that sentence with the "does it matter for me?"
[21:55] <HazRPG> sorry, I'm just getting to the "sleepy" weird stage of the evening xD
[21:56] <HazRPG> my sister is reading random "like this page" pages from Facebook to me O.o
[21:57] <HazRPG> last one was "I hate it when I run into the wrong wall, when trying to get to hogwarts"
[21:57] <brobostigon> lol
[21:58] <HazRPG> right, I'm away to bed... so tired... (finally back in a normal routine again, sort of...)
[21:58] <HazRPG> night all o/
[21:59] <brobostigon> nos da HazRPG
[22:00] <HazRPG> "in the HazRPG" ?
[22:00] <HazRPG> o.O
[22:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: nos da, good night,:)
[22:01] <HazRPG> oh... heh, in portuguese "nos da" translates as "in the"
[22:01] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hmm, we did it first, :)
[22:01] <HazRPG> :p
[22:03]  * AlanBell finishes off a tl;dr blog article
[22:06]  * Azelphur prods directhex
[22:06] <directhex> Azelphur: ?
[22:07] <Azelphur> directhex: I have the nvidia-graphics-drivers source downloaded, and I got the new .run files
[22:07] <directhex> Azelphur: dch -i
[22:07] <directhex> to insert a new changelog entry
[22:07] <Azelphur> the normal package contains NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.06.run and NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.06-no-compat32.run
[22:07] <Azelphur> but I can only find x86_64 and no-compat32 .run's
[22:07]  * Pendulum reads AlanBell's tl;dr post, thereby proving that it's only tl :P
[22:07] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hehe, tisbah al-khayr
[22:07] <Azelphur> I think nvidia changed it so that x86_64 has support for both
[22:07] <directhex> Azelphur: this is because you're too hip to click the link i posted, right?
 ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/
[22:08] <Azelphur> oh whoops, didn't notice that
[22:08] <Azelphur> directhex: that only has the files I found anyway :D
[22:08] <Azelphur> both x86_64, no x86 one
[22:08] <directhex> look at the directory name
[22:09] <Azelphur> ah
[22:09]  * HazRPG left the room (saying: Good night all, and thanks for all the fish?)
[22:09] <brobostigon> HazRPG: elaborate?
[22:09] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh, it just means "good night", or "sweet dreams", etc
[22:10] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ah, :)
[22:10] <directhex> it means "i keel you, infidel!"
[22:11] <HazRPG> ... not quite lol
[22:11] <directhex> anything i don;t understand is a death threat. good rule of thumb
[22:11] <HazRPG> wouldn't it be cool of thumbs could rule!
[22:11] <HazRPG> although, they'd need to grow a face first :/
[22:11] <HazRPG> directhex: also, bad way to observe such things
[22:12]  * AlanBell wonders whether to add an accessibility section before Pendulum gets to the end
[22:13] <Pendulum> you'd have to do it fast
[22:13] <HazRPG> directhex: someone could be saying to you "you're the nicest person I've ever met, I hope you go to heaven" and then you shoot them down with an AK-47 because you thought it was a death threat... you'd feel bad for yourself later if you found out
[22:13] <directhex> ak-47? evil foreign weaponry! :o
[22:14] <HazRPG> a bad worksman always blames him tools ;)
[22:14] <AlanBell> Pendulum: I will have a go with the OpenERP client and orca and write another article I think
[22:14] <AlanBell> it is just GTK so it should kinda work
[22:14] <Pendulum> heh
[22:14] <Pendulum> AlanBell: is it bad that I'm proofreading your post as I read it?
[22:15] <HazRPG> anyways, so long and thanks for all the fish... night o/
[22:15]  * brobostigon plays the hitchhikers theme tune,
[22:15]  * HazRPG has vanished in a poof of smoke, to his humble bed
[22:15] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ^^,
[22:15] <Azelphur> directhex: ok done that, how do I build the package?
[22:16] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[22:16] <HazRPG> brobostigon: o/
[22:16]  * brobostigon hears a banjo.
[22:17] <directhex> Azelphur: you bumped the changelog?
[22:17] <Azelphur> yes
[22:17] <directhex> Azelphur: dpkg-buildpackage
[22:17] <AlanBell> Pendulum: not bad if you give me the corrections :)
[22:18] <Pendulum> AlanBell: well now that I look at the consistancy of the mistake I suspect it's actually a British vs. American spelling thing :)
[22:18] <Pendulum> so not in fact a mistake
[22:19] <AlanBell> or a consistent error on my part
[22:19] <Pendulum> well you spelled the word 'lable' and I know it as 'label'
[22:19] <Azelphur> now to install it and see if my system explodes \o/
[22:22] <Azelphur> directhex: it's generated 9 packages, happen to know which one to install?
[22:22] <Azelphur> I assume it's current or glx (or both?)
[22:25] <AlanBell> Pendulum: no, I think that is an Alanism
[22:25] <Pendulum> AlanBell: google and british english dictionaries seem to concur
[22:25] <Pendulum> (it's one of those words I correct myself on a lot which I think is why I noticed)
[22:26] <dutchie> AlanBell: that is an alanism
[22:26] <Azelphur> anyone might be able to field my above question :P
[22:27]  * AlanBell fixors
[22:28] <czajkowski> /c/c
[22:29]  * Azelphur prods directhex
[22:29] <directhex> Azelphur: current, modaliases, and i think the kernel source one too if they still make one
[22:29] <bigcalm> popey: http://myrant.net/popey_minecraft_2.png
[22:29] <Azelphur> ok :D
[22:29] <directhex> Azelphur: i guess vdpau too. you need to install all at once or you'll get dependency complaints from dpkg
[22:38] <Azelphur> directhex: lol, I crashed again right as you said current modaliases and kernel source
[22:38] <Azelphur> but I'm up and running on those 3 :D
[22:38] <Azelphur> hopefully this will stop me crashing :)
[22:46] <directhex> Azelphur: you rebooted so it built a new kernel module?
[22:47] <Azelphur> directhex: yup
[22:47] <Azelphur> nvidia-settings reports I'm on the new driver, all seems good :)
[22:58] <brobostigon> linuxhotel.de :)
[22:59] <ali1234> Azelphur: why not use the nvidia ppa?
[22:59] <Azelphur> I didn't know there was one
[22:59] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[23:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: looks like there are no maverick builds in there
[23:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: also they are old
[23:00] <ali1234> huh
[23:00] <ali1234> maybe there's a newer one
[23:00] <Azelphur> 6+ weeks old :P
[23:00] <ali1234> or maybe jockey broke it
[23:03] <ali1234> ah theres a link in the ppa description
[23:03] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[23:03] <jacobw> has anyone else been having trouble with opendns recently?
[23:05] <Azelphur> :)
[23:11] <Myrtti> blaargh
[23:12] <czajkowski> Myrtti: how ya doing ?
[23:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] OpenERP vs Lotus Domino - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/01/23/openerp-vs-lotus-domino/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=openerp-vs-lotus-domino
[23:14] <Myrtti> czajkowski: shoulder is better but bad news come from Finland, so actually feeling a lot more rotten than earlier this week
[23:15] <czajkowski> ahh crap
[23:26] <Azelphur> nope, my Xorg is still freezing every few minutes :(
[23:27] <brobostigon> nos da.
[23:29] <Azelphur> now i cant even ssh
[23:29] <Azelphur> I can login and get the welcome message, then it just freezes
[23:32] <hamitron> hey Azelphur
[23:32] <Azelphur> hey
[23:32] <hamitron> even with new drivers?
[23:32] <Azelphur> yea :/
[23:32] <hamitron> fs :\
[23:34] <hamitron> tried the open source driver?
[23:34] <hamitron> (s)
[23:35] <hamitron> or could try a livecd
[23:35] <hamitron> make sure it isn't a hardware fault
[23:36] <Azelphur> I'm gonna try that ppa ali1234 linked
[23:37] <Azelphur> with the beta drivers
[23:37] <hamitron> ah, yeh nice
[23:37] <ali1234> sounds like overheating to me
[23:37] <ali1234> make sure the fan still works
[23:37] <ali1234> mine fell off one time
[23:37] <hamitron> haha
[23:37] <hamitron> gravity sucks ;)
[23:37] <ali1234> explained why my computer was going slow
[23:37] <ali1234> and crashing a lot
[23:38] <Azelphur> ali1234, haha, nope the temps are fine
[23:38] <Azelphur> I have them on conky I'd notice if something was up
[23:38] <markjones> is AlanBell still up?
[23:38] <hamitron> I've just solved my freezing problem
[23:38] <hamitron> it was a case fan that was shagged, kept dragging the 12V rail down
[23:39] <Azelphur> woa hold on
[23:39] <Azelphur> that could be me
[23:39] <Azelphur> define shagged
[23:39] <hamitron> near seized up
[23:39] <Azelphur> yes that's what I have
[23:39] <hamitron> and drawing too much current
[23:39] <Azelphur> I have a fan that doesn't spin most of the time
[23:39] <hamitron> yeh
[23:39] <Azelphur> I kinda have to give it a shove sometimes to get it started
[23:39] <Azelphur> and even then it doesn't spin at full speed
[23:40] <hamitron> unplug it
[23:40] <hamitron> see if it helps
[23:40] <Azelphur> would that pull down a 1200w psu though?
[23:40] <hamitron> 1200W is not on 1 rail
[23:40] <Azelphur> true
[23:40] <ali1234> 1200W PSU?!?!?
[23:40] <hamitron> mine is dual 12V rail
[23:40] <Azelphur> ali1234, 1.21 JIGGAWATS?!?!?!?
[23:40]  * Azelphur loves doing that.
[23:41] <hamitron> and you have to ballance the load on the rails to get near the specs they claim
[23:41] <ali1234> i love reminding people that "jiggawatts" is actually the correct pronunciation
[23:41] <Azelphur> wat :o
[23:41] <Azelphur> it's kilowats I thought
[23:41] <ali1234> since "giga" as in "giant"
[23:42] <Azelphur> oh right :p
[23:42] <Azelphur> it's a shame they don't sell 1210W power supplies
[23:42] <Azelphur> just for the reference, it'd be awesome.
[23:42] <ali1234> i bet you could sell a few of those
[23:42] <ali1234> someone should do it
[23:42] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:43] <ali1234> buy 1300W ones, relable them
[23:43] <hamitron> just change the label like most PSU manufacturers do :/
[23:43] <Azelphur> xD
[23:43] <hamitron> my 650W is a relabelled 580W
[23:43] <hamitron> ;)
[23:43] <ali1234> http://www.directtradesupplies.co.uk/farho-alejandria-1210w-digital-heater.html
[23:43] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:44] <hamitron> I want a heater for my comp
[23:44] <hamitron> :/
[23:44] <Azelphur> 1.21JIGGAWAT HEATING.
[23:44] <Azelphur> lol
[23:44] <ali1234> someone sign up for that site and write a review about how the product did not allow you to time travel after reaching 88mph etc
[23:45] <ali1234> actually it looks like you don't even have to sign up
[23:45] <Azelphur> hahaha
[23:46] <Azelphur> "I stuck it to the roof of my delorean with CONDUCTIVE tape, I got to 88mph on the highway and nothing happened, wouldn't buy again."
[23:46] <Azelphur> :p
[23:47] <hamitron> :)
[23:47] <hamitron> Azelphur: unplugged the fan yet?
[23:48] <hamitron> ;/
[23:48] <hamitron> or any case fans not needed
[23:48] <Azelphur> nope still freezing
[23:48] <Azelphur> gonna go for the fan :p
[23:48] <hamitron> I had 3 faulty fans I found today
[23:49] <hamitron> :/
[23:49] <hamitron> cheap ass things don't last as long as they once did
[23:49] <hamitron> that or I am getting old and have biased opinions
[23:50] <ali1234> so this guy named Christian Marclay made a 24 hour long film out of clips from other films where you can see a clock, such that you can tell the time by it
[23:51] <ali1234> when i heard about this my first question was, "did he use the clip from the end of BttF?"
[23:51] <hamitron> so long since I saw them, can't remember them :/
[23:52] <ali1234> http://i.newsarama.com/images/Doc-Brown-Clock-Tower.jpg
[23:52] <ali1234> anyway it looks like he didn't. i am disappoint.
[23:53] <Azelphur> unplugged bad fan, lets see...
[23:55] <hamitron> you checked all fans?
[23:55] <Azelphur> oh, probably unrelated, I keep getting "Sec Slave Hard Disk: S.M.A.R.T. Command Failed" "Press F1 to Resume" every time I boot
[23:55] <Azelphur> hamitron, yea, I rebuilt the thing a few days ago and cleaned everything out
[23:55] <Azelphur> that's why I knew I had a sticky fan
[23:55] <hamitron> k
[23:55] <Azelphur> and SATA 2 (I assume sec slave) is a SSD
[23:56] <Azelphur> SSD has no SMART I assume?
[23:56] <hamitron> I'm not posh enough to have experience with SSD ;)
[23:56] <ali1234> i don't see why it wouldn't
[23:57] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[23:57] <Azelphur> in other news my PC is so scary when it reboots
[23:57] <ali1234> maximum fans?
[23:57] <Azelphur> it actually fully shuts down and stops all the fans, waits like 3 seconds
[23:57] <Azelphur> and then starts
[23:57] <hamitron> why? ;/
[23:57] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[23:58] <hamitron> my fans turn on when it starts
[23:58] <hamitron> about it
[23:58] <hamitron> then cpu fan stops when I got into windows
[23:59] <hamitron> and my 2nd comp auto shuts down due to 0 rpm on fan if it is too cold :/
[23:59] <hamitron> detects fan failure
[23:59] <Azelphur> haha