[00:02] is it possible to find out what packages i last installed [00:02] never mind [00:02] sorry [00:04] nos da,sleep well all. [00:05] night brobostigon [00:05] night jacobw === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [00:10] hi [00:10] anyone using NX here? [00:10] weekend quietness [00:12] Middle of the night quitness :-) [00:12] yeah [01:18] hello? [01:18] #empathy [01:18] :( how do i get to empathy? [01:19] luke_: /join #empathy [01:19] thanks :) [01:20] actually, maybe you can help me? :) i was wondering how i find out what codec my webcam is recording because i cant stream with some people because they dont have the codec [01:22] * hamitron sighs [02:12] quiet [02:12] /nick awilkins [02:13] Crap, stupid phone client [06:44] hmm.. 1l of fresh tea [09:33] morning all [09:37] morning [09:52] Ah ha! [09:52] Managed to break unity [09:53] I also have no right click in terminator.. [09:53] ah, how odd, it's back now [09:58] the way Unity is implemented is a bit weird imho [09:58] the "part of the wm, but not quite" [09:59] wotcha [10:03] I really do quite like Unity. Still a little buggy, but thats expected at this point in it's development [10:03] I can't stand the dock thingy and global menus [10:04] Which is basically "all of unity" [10:04] I like the dock thing :) Specially the way it runs away whe I move my windows close to it [10:04] I have a complete freeze with Natty after todays dist-upgrade [10:04] I think global menus are one of those things that grows on you over time [10:05] I probably use Macs too often to notice it too much really [10:07] daubers: I've tried using macs for months and I couldn't get used to it [10:07] also, macs don't have focus-follows-mouse, which I love [10:07] i can't get used to macs [10:07] i'm not a massive fan of global menus, but as daubers says they probably grow on you over time [10:08] morning [10:08] morning :) [10:08] jacobw: so does mould, and I'm not a great fan of that ;) [10:09] \o [10:09] danfish: i wouldn't be without my mould :p [10:09] :) [10:10] focus follows mouse irratates me, and I can't pin down why :( [10:10] hmm - I keep getting an "unreadable MCE error" on boot since upgrade to the latest kernel [10:11] http://utilitybidder.co.uk/ :) [10:12] daubers: ffm on unity or on std gnome? [10:14] popey: Either [10:14] well its broken in unity [10:14] Admittedly not tried it in Unity [10:14] i've got a strange issue with maverick, i've created a keyboard shortcut to a pygtk script, but using the shortcut breaks my makes my external monitor mirror the laptop monitor [10:14] annoyed me in std gnome when I used it for a bit [10:14] i get annoyed in OSX and Windows which dont have ffm [10:14] ffm? [10:15] All bugs aside, the one thing that really annoys me in Unity is no Alt+F2 [10:15] yeah [10:15] I've half assumed gnome-do or somesuch will appear in time.... [10:15] this is the pygtk script btw, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9943718&postcount=16 [10:15] gnome-do is apparently dead :( [10:15] :( [10:16] really? :( [10:16] thats what gord said when I last mentioned it [10:16] I agree with everything that micromart said about all things linux [10:16] "10 Things Linux Must Do In 2011" [10:17] Wonder if something will come into to add a run command thing [10:17] HazRPG: wait.. this isn't the year of the Linux Desktop? [10:17] MartijnVdS: xD [10:18] same thing every year right ;) [10:19] daubers: popey: there is a bug filed on it somewhere [10:19] 2006 was the year of the linux desktop [10:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/580295 [10:19] Ubuntu bug 580295 in Unity "Alt-F2 not working" [High,Triaged] [10:20] jacobw: isn't every year the year of the linux desktop? [10:20] HazRPG: yeah, but some are better others [10:20] :P [10:20] note how most of the comments on that are the milestone it's targetted to being pushed back :( [10:21] oh, there's a point [10:21] what's the best place for like linux news? [10:21] or even an open-sourced linux mag or something... [10:21] dutchie: Ooooh, at least it has a milestone fix suggestion :) [10:23] daubers: yeah, but the milestone it was originally targetted to was 0.2.2, and now it's 3.6... [10:23] daubers: its less that it's not working, more that its not implemented [10:23] HazRPG: try lxer.org [10:23] ALT+F2 is what the gnome panel does [10:23] no gnome panel, no ALT+F2 [10:24] :( [10:26] popey: Yeah, but reading that bug an alternative has been suggested relativley recently and the last milestone has it being assigned to someone to impliment that alternative [10:27] danfish: thanks :) [10:29] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12261124 [10:29] :o [10:29] Kimchi! [10:30] hurray \o/ [10:31] popey: I think I fell in love with graze.com xD [10:31] I do love the way that if the Unity dock is off the screen and a new app opens, it's icon just pops over the edge of the screen a little and gives a cheeky wave [10:31] daubers: copied from OSX much ;) [10:32] HazRPG: It's more fun than the OSX one, that just glows a bit and buldges. [10:32] daubers: >_< I was just about to say that xD [10:33] Problem with graze.com is that the packages would never pass through the corporate sphincter [10:33] I'd be reduced to packing yesterdays into my laptop bag [10:34] Mini tupperware and Julian Graves may be the solution. [10:36] xD [10:36] The trains are still bobbins. Didn't expect that. :-| [10:38] :) HazRPG [10:39] daubers: cool [10:39] haha, really liked reading this article: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/70841 [10:39] hrm [10:39] might stick natty on my netbook at some point [10:40] * jacobw opens yesterdays graze box [10:40] no olives :( [10:41] * daubers dons headphones [10:42] Crunchy breadsticklets? [10:42] cashew nuts :( i'm not a fan of the nut punnets [10:44] make sure to unlike them [10:44] I had cashew nuts yesterday too... no like those [10:44] the oriental crackers were lush though! [10:44] i should, i always forget to rate or slate [10:45] oh yes, oriental crackers ftw [10:45] Mmmm peanuts crackers ..... Droool [10:45] the wasabi ones awilkins? [10:45] Ooh, even better [10:46] I go to a chinese supermarket for oriental snack gratification [10:46] lol [10:46] :o [10:46] Their new line of crunchy ramen noodles was moreish [10:47] hmmm ramen :) [10:48] Not so sure about dried durian sausage [10:50] Hi All, does anyone know where i can get a list of all 64Bit chips or at least a list of all CPUs and if its a 64Bit CPU or 32 bit CPU ? [10:50] Will soon have pots of kimchi. Am going to kimchi workshop. Korean lunch. Mmm. [10:51] Neoti: pretty much anything new is 64bit [10:51] Neoti: wikipedia have a good list. If you have shell access to the machne you can list it's CPU features to determine its arch. [10:53] see im building a media center and want a 64bit cpu, now im not thick on cpus but i just can not find a difinitive list of MAKE, MODEL, 64 or 32 etc ... and its anoying ... lol [10:54] relax, it will be 64bit [10:54] Anything new is a 64 bit in general, esp. Desktop models. [10:54] some early Atom chips were 32 bit [10:54] Yes, they are netbook models [10:55] (ahem) [10:55] now you would have to be hunting out an odd embedded chip to find 32bit [10:55] Righto, train is here [10:55] aha... good old wiki.... right at the bottum of a page it lists which Itel chips and E numbers which are 64bit ... YEY... im a happy bunny now ... lol [10:55] dont take much ... he he [10:55] :) [11:00] Neoti, it's 2011. there are no 32-bit intel cpus except for atom. if it's not atom, it's 64-bit [11:01] ok cheers.... just thought i would ask.... YIPPEEEEE [11:02] im also now desiding on a dual-core or a core i5 cpu .... the i5 should be better but is it ? [11:02] yes [11:02] yes it is [11:05] i5 is dual core [11:05] itym "Core Duo", that was the generation before i3/5/7 [11:07] Agreed [11:09] all i5's from 650-680 are dual-core'd processors capable of doing hyper threading (so in this case, 4 threads at a time) [11:09] ok, my media center will have a TV tuner card, core i5, 2gb ram, 500GB hdd, HDMI out and blueray, unforchanetly i will put windows on there with Media portal , the hdd will be Raid 1 mirrored as i dont want to lose all me media and will rsync to my freeNAS box so i have a backup and for shared access to content etc... does this sound ok ? [11:10] Neoti, nope! [11:10] Neoti, for a media center its waaaay overpowered [11:10] lol [11:10] the 750, 750S and 760 are quad-core's... but no hyper-threading... so your getting true 4 threads over 4 cores [11:10] mine is a single core 1.6ghz atom cpu with an nvida ion chipset, plays 1080p content just fine [11:11] is that the ion or something like that ? [11:11] not sure why your going with windows either [11:11] some thing like a zotec ion thingy [11:11] "hz atom cpu with an nvida ion chipse" [11:12] hmm, yeah dude you don't need to place windows just make a media centre, plus those specs would be MORE than ideal for a media server [11:12] ok i am going with windows as a base for this as i love media portal and there is going to be more than me using it , also when i have had media center based on ubuntu before it did not cut it .... sorry ubuntu..... [11:13] were you using xbmc? [11:13] I was just about to ask that [11:13] no, i seen it but only plaid with media portal [11:13] well theres your problem [11:14] ok guys, build me a media center .... specs software the lot my budget is around £600 ... goo... [11:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHx0SL2NDSY my xbmc setup running on an acer revo (around £200) - thats all you need [11:16] there's also boxee [11:16] which I really enjoy using [11:16] although xbmc is great too [11:17] argh.... sorry you have no sound ... argh .... the video is good but my one gripe with people on youtube is that you can hear sound in the background but the person does not talk about the set up and stuff just flicks through stuff....im watching the video now ...... sorry .... [11:18] also i love the android app thingy ... [11:18] i want it ... [11:18] its nice ... [11:20] ah ... you like minecraft.... i once lost an entire day from just playing that ... he he [11:24] HazRPG, i hope i have not affended u with my comment .... sorry..... :( [11:25] Neoti: nah you haven't the oven dinged [11:27] MONKEY MAGIC! :O! [11:27] where did you get it from!? [11:28] ????? [11:28] gord: where did you get the monkey magic from? The tv show! [11:29] btw Neoti it really isn't hard to setup xbmc [11:30] lol stupid Q ... i have to have an Xbox right and then do some kinda of voodoo magic to put it on there ? [11:30] have a play with it, it works on windows/linux/mac: http://xbmc.org/ [11:31] lol no, it was originally designed to stream stuff to the xbox... but its since expanded its project [11:31] i will have a play .... its easiyer on windows tho ... with media portal ... but i will have a play just cos imgeeky like that ... [11:33] is it going to be hooked straight into a tv? or how are you planning on using it exactly? [11:35] bassically getting a nice HTPC case and putting it under the TV with a HDMI cable... setting it for 1080p goodness and stream youtube and revision 3, copy films, music, photos to it ... mybe have the odd plug in for asterisk to alert me of a call the CLID and maybe add the emulator stuff to it for old NES and SNES games ... not too sure yet [11:37] guessing its not intended to replace your desktop though? [11:37] doesn't sound like you need amazing hardware then [11:37] oh no ... defo not ... just media that its .... only a remote control and the software to autostart on boot and bee full screen etc... [11:38] I think your graphics card will properly be the main thing [11:38] and some decent ram [11:38] btw, boxee is another good one - its based around xbmc [11:38] im just installing xbmc on my ubuntu pc now ... [11:38] http://www.boxee.tv/ [11:39] cool, I'm sure you'll like it [11:39] well im not i'll just blame you :) ... [11:40] :P [11:40] sorry should be well if not [11:40] well if not i'll just blame you :) ... [11:40] I figured ;) [11:40] personally, do what the heart tells you - we can only suggest and advise [11:40] if you get the i5, etc [11:41] means you can do more with it in future should you wish to [11:41] i.e. make it an emulator pumping machine too ^^, [11:42] e.g.* (not i.e.) [11:44] ok XBMC seems kool.... [11:45] Boxee, like I said is similar to XBMC except it adds on a social aspect to it too [11:46] loving how usb tethering just works [11:46] * X3N is on a train [11:47] X3N: hehe, what you using? [11:47] cool.... usb teth.... [11:49] * MartijnVdS considers going for a walk [11:49] Neoti: have you checked out the boxee stuff? [11:50] I remember having a beta account for boxee, I really really loved it [11:55] anyone good with lvm? [11:55] * popey pokes daubers [12:07] popey: lo [12:07] * daubers awakens from Minecraft [12:08] hi all. how often does ubuntu do these new upgrades because i got version 9 on cd and there seems very little difference between 9 and 10. [12:08] jonsaint: The version numbers are year.month, so I think you're talking about 9.10 and 10.04? [12:09] yes thats it [12:09] jonsaint: There's a new release every 6 months, with lts releases every.... 2 years? [12:09] !lts [12:09] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [12:09] so i take it the next release is 11.04? [12:09] jonsaint: Yup [12:09] !11.04 [12:09] Natty Narwhal is the codename for Ubuntu 11.04, due April 28 2011 - Help and support (only) in #ubuntu+1 - Natty is unstable and is not intended for production systems. [12:10] will all that be sorted when it comes to oficial release then? [12:10] Should be [12:10] Thats the aim anyway :) [12:11] will what be all sorted sorry? [12:11] im fairly new to ubuntu, ive been on the dark side for many years and got sick of all the viruses and stuff so i was told to try this. taking a bit of getting used to but so far i like what im seeing. [12:12] Hey Jonsaint..... welcome to the light side of the force .... [12:13] thanks! neoti. it looks pretty easy to use and all this community support too which is great! microsoft wouldnt even dream of doing anything like this without asking what sort of credit card your using first lol [12:13] welcome to #ubuntu-uk jonsaint [12:13] lol.... thats true.... [12:14] community support is fantastic :) you might want to sign up for the mailing list for more in depth discussions [12:14] so i can basically do near enough the same as what i could do on the other o/s?? [12:14] i have been using ubuntu on and off for a while .... but now i have a job where i am in terminal all the time so i thought stuff it i might as well just use ubuntu and put my ssh keys on all the systems etc. [12:16] jonsaint , you can do most maybe 98% of all the stuff you can do on windows on linux.... though , some windows specific programs you do have to use windows but i get around that with using virtual box in ubuntu and installing windows in there . :P [12:16] jonsaint: most people can, sadly some people require proprietary software that only runs on Windows [12:19] well i only tend to use this for web browsing and burning the odd dvd. but im looking more into ubuntu and how it works etc. i got absolutly no knowledge of ubuntu what so ever lol [12:19] oh dear. I just watched some videos of Minecraft on youtube and now I'm actually thinking of purchasing the game. HELP? tell me not to. [12:20] you must purchase the game ...... lol [12:20] its awesome... [12:20] you actually lose time [12:21] Myrtti: join me in my resistance to Minecraft. Just keep saying "I like my job and getting sleep" over and over ;-) [12:21] "I like mine craft and building things" [12:22] he he [12:22] Pendulum: nnngghghhghhhhghgh [12:23] what is minecraft lol [12:24] look it up on google .... and play a couple of hours i mean minuets... lol ... he he [12:24] if we dont hear back from you for a few days we will know you found it ... lol [12:27] it dont look too bad [12:27] and this is for ubuntu??? [12:27] see you in about a week then .... you will lose whole days to it ... [12:27] jonsaint: from what I can tell, it's crack for geeks [12:27] nope its for all os... its web based [12:28] pendulum, ;) [12:28] its more addictive then the most adictive drug ... [12:28] People have made arithmetic logic units and music players with minecraft, it's got all sorts of hoopy features [12:29] soon as i get some money in my account il get this game. [12:29] oh no another addict!!!! [12:30] I've never played it. [12:30] there goes another one too ... [12:30] lol [12:31] so is this room specifically for uk users of ubuntu then? [12:31] kinda [12:32] Myrtti: :) [12:32] i heard someone mention minecraft at a house party last night, i was suprised that anyone outside of the geek community knew of it [12:32] jonsaint: There are a few peeps who hang out in here not from the UK too. [12:32] We don't mind :-) [12:32] im probably the only person in my city thats running this lol. time to spread the word i think! [12:33] jonsaint: you might be suprised at who else uses ubuntu [12:33] jonsaint: what city? [12:33] jonsaint , where are you from [12:33] wolverhampton [12:33] lol [12:33] I don't think you are the only one [12:33] Hello AlanBell [12:33] hello TheOpenSourcerer [12:33] jonsaint: there are some prominent ubuntu people in wolverhampton [12:33] im from notts.... i sure there are some people out there some place .... wait people out side ... holy hell when did this happen ... [12:33] you aren't the only one by some margin [12:33] How was your trip back from the big "B" then? [12:33] now thats suprised me lol [12:33] perhaps I should learn to play first [12:34] isn't stuart langridge in wolverhampton? [12:34] TheOpenSourcerer: quite easy really, I was on the brand new boat, first day of sailing [12:34] Shiny! [12:34] smelled of new carpets rather than seasickness :) [12:34] lol [12:34] Enjoy the course? [12:35] yes, writing up an article about it [12:35] Cool. [12:35] it was nice and technical [12:35] Good. [12:37] jonsaint: Heh, just catching up with topic [12:37] jonsaint: welcome to #ubuntu-uk, I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay here ;) [12:37] is Davmor2 from wolves? [12:37] thanks hazrpg. i hope i made the right choice. [12:38] jonsaint: Trust me you did :) [12:38] jonsaint : yes you have ... [12:38] Jono Bacon was, but now lives in the states [12:38] you'll get better support and responses from us then microsoft will ever give [12:39] jonsaint: http://www.wolveslug.org.uk/ [12:39] so heres me thinking im all alone when really i could have walked past half a dozen ubuntu users in the shops lol [12:39] jonsaint: full convert, or dual-boot at the moment? [12:39] shocking isn't it :p [12:39] full convert. i completly formatted my drive, put on 9.10 which i had on cd and then went to v10 [12:40] * HazRPG still trying to find me an ubuntu/linux girl [12:40] HazRPG look on youtube for NixiePixel..... shes hot as hell and a big supporter of ubuntu [12:40] My eldest son (10) wants a video editor on Ubuntu. Which one do any of you prefer? Pitivi, Openshot Kino, Avidemux ... [12:41] Neoti: oh trust me, I know of her xD [12:41] Kdenlive [12:41] LOL hazrpg [12:41] Neoti: Although, what's the chances she gets random people e-mailing her all the time asking her out... so thought nah, would be daft to [12:42] PiTiVi seem powerful enough without being over complicated [12:42] who ever is dating her is very very lucky.... not only is she sexy, but also knows about geeky stuff .... how good is that ... he he [12:42] who says women can't be geeks? [12:43] ikr! [12:43] I was shocked with one girl that I'd known for years... she hears me talk about geeky stuff all the time and makes out like she doesn't know [12:43] no one .... its just not that common at the moment although there is a growing population of geeky girls like Nixiepixel ... [12:43] and also, why is it such a suprise that a woman who identifies as a geek is also attractive [12:43] I went round to fix her computer once... and found she had a linux distro on xD [12:44] hehe HazRPG [12:44] ubuntu no less, although she'd managed to configure it to look soooo very different [12:44] damn, friend zone xD [12:44] lol i know what you mean HazRPG.... [12:44] the whole friendzome ... dam it .... [12:45] a women who can configure an ubuntu distro to her own liking is just mega win though [12:45] I almost got a bit too excited when I saw it xD [12:45] HazRPG: how about one who hackintoshes her Eee because it's faster than Ubuntu? ;) [12:45] YUK! [12:45] (not literally of course) [12:46] dwatkins: still a win in my eyes [12:46] hey is there a website like http://www.wolveslug.org.uk/ for people in Nottingham [12:46] http://nlug.ml1.co.uk/ [12:46] i saved that site in my favourites [12:46] just type the county/city in and type LUG next to it :P [12:46] (in google I mean) [12:46] HazRPG: she's a win in my eyes, too - this particular woman also liked the Apple sticker I ironically put on my Eee (although it still runs Ubuntu or Joliloud) :D [12:47] :P [12:49] I'm just saying there are plenty of female geeks out there. [12:51] well im outta here folks. be back on later. [12:51] ciaon jonsaint, have fun [12:51] *ciao [12:52] cheers. byeee [12:53] i want another PC for my ubuntu stuff ... was thinking of http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=476279&CatId= on the ubuntu website its suppose to be certified ... any thoughts? [12:53] I love the smell of plastic glue [12:53] smells like creativity [12:54] it smells like DEATH [12:55] What kind of glue is plastic glue, Araldite? [12:57] Neoti, it'll work well enough, honestly most things do (i just buy random things, they always work fine) - but your paying for windows there [12:57] dwatkins: Araldite is epoxy resin [12:57] what is the correct capitalisation of postgres? [12:57] daubers: ah ok, I've seen people use Araldite to glue plastic things together [12:57] i know ... its the only downside... [12:58] Neoti: freecycle? [12:58] dwatkins ? [12:58] AlanBell: PostgreSQL [12:58] thanks [12:59] dwatkins: I think it's also called Polystyrene Cement [12:59] thanks daubers [12:59] dwatkins: Araldite is uber glue. Much stronger than plastic glue :) [12:59] dwatkins: This stuff http://www.wargamestore.com/25g-Revell-Contacta-Professional-Plastic-Glue-p-17408.html [12:59] Araldite is an Epoxy Resin glue. Very strong. [12:59] daubers: for most things, yes, but it doesn't stick all plastics [13:00] you can get boxes from Ikea which are smooth on the outside, which araldite doesn't adhere to [13:00] Really? Shocking [13:00] dwatkins: According to wikipedia, it's essentially super glue [13:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate [13:01] the plastic stuff, not epoxy :) [13:01] Araldite is not cyano [13:02] polystyrene cement=superglue=cyano [13:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoxy [13:02] :) [13:04] * Neoti happy [13:05] * daubers needs some more pva [13:05] afternoonings all. [13:12] * Neoti Now has a nice new ZFS thing on my system for storing more files.... YEY!!! [13:12] hiya brobostigon [13:14] brobostigon: howdy dudwe [13:14] * Neoti off to do some house work *BOOOO*!!! [13:14] dude* [13:14] I'd really like to get a Drobo for general file storage and redundancy. [13:14] I should do that too, Neoti - Lego Star Wars is currently distracting me, though ;) [13:15] HazRPG: afternoonings, :) [13:15] hiya dwatkins :) [13:15] evenings....:) [13:16] shwmae winniesun :) [13:16] erm why did my message just come out as >< ARGH!!! [13:16] dwatkins lol .... minecraft was distracting me .... but i think i managed to get away from it . [13:17] Well, it's a game, it's supposed to distract ;) [13:17] brobostigon: I do not know what is shwmae...sorry... [13:18] * Neoti right i really must be off for some house work ..... but mine craft is soo addictive... must resist!!! [13:18] winniesun: its a word in welsh, the has a similer meaning to greetings,or something like that. [13:19] brobostigon: how's things? Long time no speak [13:19] brobostigon: Oh...google tells me too..thanks [13:19] brobostigon: seems your always signing out when I'm signing in xD [13:20] HazRPG: up and down, my eczema has recently been badly infected, and its juststarting to improve again. and have been playing alot recently with android 2.3 onmy htc dream. how about you? [13:20] winniesun: :) [13:21] brobostigon: ouch, well glad its getting better though :). Ooo, you've got a HTC Dream? Is it any good? I'm still waiting for 2.3 for my Nexus One :( [13:21] part of me wants to root it, but part of me thinks it would be silly to do so while its still in warranty [13:22]