[00:15] apachelogger: music was lacking in Orlando, for sure [00:15] valorie: skype? [00:16] sorry, it's still not fixed [00:16] :( [00:17] valorie: was it broken? [00:17] it has been, yeah [00:17] I can't hear anyone [00:17] which is a bit lacking, I think you would agree [00:18] oddness [00:18] right now I need to finish my final readthrough of the Insider [00:18] so it can publish [00:25] skype is more fun than watching football :) [00:32] well, for sure -- esp. with harald and markey! [00:43] valorie: wre are skyping right now [00:43] it's nice [00:43] join us :) [00:45] skype still teh broken [00:45] :( [01:22] valorie: :( I had to uninstall pulse in Natty for it to work easily with my usb headset, shoulda just bought an analog set [02:07] claydoh, PA keeps youtube *and* Amarok working [02:07] so I'm not gonna uninstall [02:12] claydoh_: do you have pavucontrol installed? you need it to change between audio devices (such as onboard & usb) [02:14] maco: not atm I just removed pa and set the device settings manually until i can sit down and see what i needed to do [02:15] just a quick workaround really === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [02:15] i don't use sound on this old laptop much [02:18] * claydoh loves pa actually, my htpc /hdmi audio setup "just works" :) [02:49] claydoh: it's worked well for me for quite awhile [02:49] but it sure doesn't work for everyone [02:51] valorie: we just got the headset the other day, didn't even know if it would work lol [02:52] I have a headset, but haven't tried it out with skype yet [02:52] I should; maybe it would work! [04:49] jjesse: ping [04:50] jjesse: secondary ping if ( ACK(ping) == true ) [04:50] :D [04:51] I should be back to 100% at the end of the week... [04:51] I got a new laptop donated. [04:51] should arrive this week. [04:51] Well, not new but... a nice one. [04:58] G4 Macbook Pro! [05:02] Lenovo W700 === hunger_ is now known as hunger === sre-su is now known as Janes147 === Janes147 is now known as sre-su [09:23] Quintasan: dare I ask what the status of sip is? [09:34] Riddell: Dunno, POX said he commited the damn thing and it should be uploaded shortly [09:35] Riddell: Can you add me to ~kubuntu-dev? [09:35] you already are in ~kubuntu-dev :) [09:35] Latest members Michał Zając [09:36] Thanks :) [09:36] * Quintasan couldn't handle two hours of german instead of math at school so he skipped school today [09:36] Riddell: can you nuke stuff in REVU? [09:45] Quintasan: I can archive it [09:47] oh, well, I checked the wrong release for package and I yofel pointed me out that there is already such package in Debian and it only needs update [09:49] Riddell: I'll be counting on you to sync sip later today [09:49] ooh, that's promising [09:50] Unless bzed has something negative to say about uploading [09:50] Though I haven't seen him mention anything [09:51] shadeslayer: Apparently, they will be mailing selected speakers for conf.kde.in shortly, check your mail :P [09:54] Awesome, POX says [09:55] I consider dh_python3 related stuff ready (and some basic tests with python3 didn't fail) [09:55] Riddell: We can sync it as soon as it gets trough NEW right? [09:55] yes [09:55] or very shortly thereafter anyway [09:58] Riddell: the package name will be changed to sip4 [09:58] that's a big improvement :) [09:58] time to start thinking.....http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas [09:58] -qt3 is a little bit our of date :D [10:00] * Quintasan could use any breakfast [10:11] * Riddell packages new akonadi, phonon, attica [10:17] ah, all phonon backends seem to be separarely packaged now [10:17] apachelogger: what's the binary compatibility there? [11:16] apachelogger: hmm, usr/share/phonon-buildsystem/ isn't the normal place to put cmake modules [11:20] shadeslayer: ok, I've sent the mail [11:21] regarding NEON [11:30] apachelogger: how wise is it to have /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so but /usr/share/kde4/services/phononbackends/gstreamer.desktop [11:30] i.e. one in qt4 and one in kde4 ? [11:45] ScottK: we don't need -mimplicit-it=thumb for arm these days do we? (looking at phonon) [11:54] Riddell: while you are working on phonon, make sure to change the default backend in phonon Depends [11:55] mm, yes, good idea [12:00] hi! [12:00] agateau_: ping [12:01] just noted some kind of bug on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [12:01] the css class span.urgent is not defined [12:02] which makes the warning about the oversized mac build invisible for day-to-day users [12:12] hm, why does dragonplayer depend on xine? [12:12] hi freinhard [12:12] freinhard: fancy making a diff? [12:17] Riddell: should scripts under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ be run when kde start? [12:18] freeflying: yes, that'll be fixed with the 4.6 upload on wednesday [12:18] already is in ninjas [12:20] Riddell: included in ~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/ ? [12:20] freeflying: yes [12:23] Riddell: saw commit log in revision 471, but doesn't work with today's ppa on maverick [12:24] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=471&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 471 | Coolo: Since the current kdebase can't compile without -ljscript I removed the test for it [12:24] freeflying: no it's not in ppa or maverick yet [12:37] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/557622/ [12:37] lovely thanks freinhard [12:38] Riddell: remformated, used tabs for indention [12:38] that tab-space mixture wasn't that nice. [12:40] Riddell: You're coming to India? [12:40] o.O [12:40] \o/ [12:40] nigelb: hope so, still waiting on the visa [12:41] Riddell: Awesome! I'm definitely going for the KDE conf then. [12:41] great [12:41] Should be fun having a gnome user at a KDE conf :p [12:53] Riddell: We shouldn't need that, no. [13:00] "PyQt v4.8.3 and SIP v4.12.1 Released" just in time for Quintasan_ to package them :) [13:01] fregl: new attica isn't on ktown? [13:05] who is working on the installer gui? [13:11] :-/ [13:11] kde apps failing randomly! I think i have b0rked my install :'-( [13:11] (6008)/: Communication problem with "rekonq" , it probably crashed. [13:11] Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name net.sourceforge.rekonq was not provided by any .service files" " [13:22] Riddell: backends are plugins thus not affecting binary compability [13:22] Riddell: IIRC our phonon_gstreamer.so in qt is only a link to the KDE one [13:22] which is just fine [13:26] Riddell: about kipi on the cd ... we could just make a kipi plugin that installs the actual kipi plugins [13:26] so it would show up where usually the plugins woudl show up [13:27] probably a good solution there, still we probably ought to make space for kipi, I think it is somewhat important that nowadays you can share stuff easily with people on the intarwebs [13:31] Is there a PPA with Calligra in it? [13:31] apachelogger: I like that "kipi plugin to install kipi plugins" [13:46] jussi: calligra hasn't made a release [13:47] apachelogger: we set -DPLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/lib/qt4/ so it goes into /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/ (while the .desktop file goes into /usr/share/kde4/) [13:48] apachelogger: the plugins will depend on an ABI of phonon, and I don't know what the stability of that is, if it changes each point release or not [13:48] freinhard: nobody is currently working on the installer GUI although there's a bug for the most pressing problems [13:49] bug 705915 [13:49] Launchpad bug 705915 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde frontend layout breakage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705915 [13:50] tazz: dbus broken? [13:52] * tazz goes to check. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:54] Riddell: You kidding me? :O [13:56] trying to start kate gives me "Floating point exception" [13:56] Riddell: I can give a go to SIP, but I'm not touching PyQt anywhere this week [13:56] so yes basically trying to start any kde app gives me one of the 2 above mentioned errors. :s dbus is installed though. [13:59] Quintasan: do you want to have waheela reviewed as well? [14:06] freinhard: kubuntu.css updated, it'll take some time to mirror though [14:10] ari-tczew: no, it has licensing issues and upstream probably abandoned the project [14:10] ari-tczew: aqemu turns out to be in debian and I upgraded it there [14:16] Riddell: yay! :) [14:29] apachelogger: Is it normal for Phonon Audio Setup not to spew out any sound at the Speaker Setup page? [14:34] *shrug* [14:34] Riddell: You sure are getting a new SIP today or tomorrow [14:34] I do not touch the kde bits of phonon [14:34] herp derp [14:34] way too shitty [14:34] apachelogger: You should [14:34] not thread protecting KIO and stuff [14:35] * Quintasan would love to finally hear sound from all 4 speakers [14:35] Quintasan: excellent [14:35] Riddell: Updating should be easy since I've done all the tedious work, POX is at work now so he isn't able to upload now but he will probably do it later. [14:36] Quintasan: is he doing the one that got released today? [14:36] I just sent him diff from packaging for the new version [14:36] great [14:38] * Quintasan needs to improve his crappy coding skills [14:40] how do i reinstall dbus in kubuntu? apt-get remove -y dbus && apt-get install -y dbus [14:40] ? [15:19] install --reinstall [15:27] so i was able to fix the problem. I think... [15:28] i had to rm /tmp/var/kdecache- [15:28] and it started working... :s [15:28] and now all my kde settings are gone. But stuff works. [15:45] Riddell i figured out the problem. [15:45] i had to rm /tmp/var/kdecache- [15:45] and it started working... :s [15:45] and now all my kde settings are gone. But stuff works. [15:45] you figured out a workaround, not quite the same as figuring out what caused the problem in the first place alas [15:48] riddell right... but i dont know how to proceed forward, to figure out what was causing the problem. [15:48] :-/ [15:48] no, I'm afraid I wouldn't know where to start either [15:48] :D === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [16:48] * apachelogger goes after main functions in classes [16:54] Riddell: apachelogger said that you are working on this new Phonon package. is it already finished? could I test it? [16:54] I need that for building Phonon-VLC [16:55] Riddell: w00t ..... can i expect you to be here now? :P [16:55] shadeslayer: you got some nice feedback on our list, regarding NEON [16:55] sec [16:55] oh ... [16:55] yayy [16:55] markey: yes, I have packages for natty, although didn't someone say a patch was needed? [16:55] shadeslayer: http://lists.kde.org/?l=amarok&m=129587043126396&w=2 [16:55] markey: i just clicked the amarok insider link :P [16:56] shadeslayer: expect me there? where there? [16:56] Riddell: ah, I think I know what you mean. basically, we have already fixed this issue, in Amarok itself [16:56] Riddell: conf.kde.in [16:56] the talk list is out [16:56] Riddell: anyway, I only have Maverick [16:56] Riddell: regarding that Amarok fix, you could push it as an update, it's safe. consists of two tiny commits [16:57] fixes crashing on exit with Phonon-VLC [16:57] or, wait for Amarok 2.4.1 [16:57] that would work too [16:57] markey: not working doesnt help ... but yeah ... neon is expected to be broken right now :D [16:57] shadeslayer: well :) [16:57] if it doesn't work at all, then it's hard to test ;) [16:58] markey: afaik the bug with kwin not starting up was fixed [16:58] ok [17:00] Riddell: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon/phonon-gstreamer/repository/revisions/3784b33b487a7db3f526a59a384d9a978be745fd [17:00] Riddell: also see one of the mails I sent to kde-packager [17:05] ah, if only I had working e-mail [17:06] markey: maverick ppackages coming today or tomorrow [17:09] apachelogger: do you have an opinion on the value of gstreamer recommending gvfs? see #ubuntu-devel [17:10] Riddell: it is foobar in a phonon usecase as 4.5 will use kio streaming all and everywhere, rendering the gvfs stuff completely useless [17:14] * shadeslayer helps Riddell get KDE 4.6.0 done for maverick === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:16] o/ [17:18] yofel: see the other channel [17:27] Riddell: great, thanks! [17:28] shadeslayer: is 4.6.0 tagged? [17:29] yus [17:29] oh cool :) [17:29] RC2 was already very good [17:29] stable and all [17:29] only Plasma has issues with two screens... [17:30] just because Aseigo refuses to buy a second display [17:30] markey: im expecting kdewebkit fixes [17:30] I will never understand that... [17:30] so in turn rekonq can comment on LP [17:30] hoepfully [17:30] *hopefully .... [17:30] shadeslayer: I use Chromium, hardcore fan of that app [17:30] I love the Daily Builds [17:30] been using them for ages [17:30] stable and good [17:30] markey: im thinking of putting some work into chromium + KDE integration [17:31] * yofel is a hardcore firefox-4.0 daily builds fan :P [17:31] shadeslayer: that would be nice. but I have to say, with the new GTK theme, it already looks *a lot* better [17:31] i use whatever works at that particular moment [17:31] the old theme was ugly as all hell [17:31] markey: the oxygen gtk stuff? [17:31] yeah [17:31] not sure, apachelogger said it's not that, but it's the new Ubuntu style [17:31] but it looks kinda like Oxygen [17:31] very similar [17:32] it came with the RC1 update, I think [17:32] or RC2 [17:32] it's oxygen-gtk, and it's an universe of improvement over qtcurve [17:32] yofel: yeah, it looks really great [17:32] and works fine [17:32] what did I say? :O [17:33] Java [17:33] thats what you said [17:33] oi [17:33] dont mock the java [17:33] yofel: anyway, with that new style, Kubuntu appears a lot nicer now [17:33] * shadeslayer mocks the Java [17:33] indeed [17:33] apachelogger: i wish java was dead [17:33] I use very few GTK apps, but I need e.g. Gwibber [17:33] and that looks nice now [17:33] choqok that bad? [17:34] y u no use choqok [17:34] shadeslayer: you are a loosy java user [17:34] (not that I cound gwibber as bad) [17:34] you must luv it [17:34] *count [17:34] yofel: Choqok is not bad. problem is: it's very very buggy [17:34] always was buggy [17:34] you must want to have children with it [17:34] you must be like totally in luv and stuff [17:34] Gwibber is hands down like 5 times betteer [17:34] ah, works fine for my simple needs, not that I post often [17:34] you can't go back after trying it [17:34] apachelogger: you mean have more main()'s with it [17:34] yofel: and Ryan Paul is working on a Qt port of Gwibber, he's fed up with GTK [17:35] yeah, I read that, great news :D [17:35] markey: i saw a awesome QML port of gwibber at UDS [17:35] shadeslayer: cool [17:35] my jaw dropped [17:35] Ryan Paul rocks hard [17:35] same thing for rtorrent [17:35] I talk to him often, on the Ars Technica IRC server [17:35] he's funny, and smart [17:35] ok i didnt know Ars had a irc server o_o [17:35] great journalist [17:35] must join [17:35] shadeslayer: mains ware awesome [17:36] shadeslayer: joing the channel #linux there, the rest is boring [17:36] one just needs to see the use [17:36] and the use is component testing [17:36] you do not need to walk through the whole app to test your new ui [17:36] but you just hook the main with some fake data and run the file [17:36] way awesome [17:37] apachelogger: Java is evil and eats up ponies [17:37] and unicorns [17:38] markey: do they have a SSL port? [17:38] i just see 6667 [17:38] shadeslayer: not sure [17:39] I use 6667 [17:39] dunno, you can ask them there [17:39] once you are logged in [17:39] they are pretty nerdy, but nice overall [17:40] and Peter Bright is cool (DrPizza), he's also a journalist [17:40] he makes the silliest jokes ever :p [17:40] looks like a fun place [17:40] it is [17:41] shadeslayer: what's the server url? [17:41] yofel: irc.arstechnica.com [17:43] thanks [17:49] could someone send me a test e-mail? [17:50] Riddell: adresS? [17:50] jr @jriddell.org [17:50] jriddell@ ubuntu.com [17:51] Riddell: done [17:51] Riddell: you just replied to a insanely old email [17:51] :P [17:52] ERROR: the installed kdelibs version 4.5.95 is too old, at least version 4.6.0 is required [17:58] shadeslayer: these russian hackers have got me to clear out my inbox [17:58] :( [18:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze <-- means that we should publish BlueDevil 1.1 before that day, right? [18:06] afiestas: preferably yes. you could have a feature frozen beta by then and have the final one after [18:07] Riddell: okiz [18:07] Riddell: I know that we already talked about that but, is really that hard push 1.0.2 into 10.10 ? [18:19] rbelem: ping [18:19] DarkwingDuck, pong [18:19] :D [18:19] rbelem: did you get a quick howto for installing kubuntu-mobile on the milestone? [18:19] :-D [18:20] I got a Droid2 for christmas and so my Droid is laying around. [18:20] and I LOVE to get Kubuntu-mobile running on her [18:20] DarkwingDuck how are the docs coming :P [18:20] jjesse: I'll be committing soon. [18:20] i'm just being a jerk :) [18:21] o_O [18:21] My comp is still not up to par and my new one should ship today or tomorrow [18:21] :P:P [18:21] DarkwingDuck: Kubuntu mobile on a Droid? [18:21] Oh I know jjesse [18:21] ooo that would be cool :) [18:21] shadeslayer: Yeah... i've seen it run on the milestone [18:21] DarkwingDuck: how the heck did you manage that? [18:21] chroot? [18:21] shadeslayer: I think it was using kexec [18:21] DarkwingDuck, hum... shadeslayer send a link to me some time ago about installing ubuntu on nexus one [18:21] yup ^^ [18:22] * DarkwingDuck ponders [18:22] DarkwingDuck: basically you can boot a chroot of a rooted android phone [18:22] Oh I know. [18:22] but it was available for the nexus one .... dunno about droid [18:22] Been running Gingerbread on my Droid for a bit now. [18:23] yeah ... so i was thinking since it can boot ubuntu, i can install plasma packages and run plasma-mobile [18:23] DarkwingDuck: likewise on my desire [18:23] Who was it that had kubuntu-mobile on the milestone at UDS? [18:23] DarkwingDuck, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=631389 [18:23] * DarkwingDuck is really bad with names [18:23] i think this is the link [18:23] brb [18:23] meeting at office [18:23] rbelem would know :P [18:25] I'll use this with kubuntu-mobile [18:26] Riddell: could you sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/docbook-xsl_1.75.2+dfsg-5ubuntu1.debdiff [18:27] it saves us a bit more cd space [18:27] saving CD Space++ [18:28] debfx: yep [18:28] Hey Riddell [18:28] Long time no talk [18:29] hola DarkwingDuck [18:29] Riddell: what was the last sentence I sent? [18:30] afiestas: Riddell: I know that we already talked about that but, is really that hard push 1.0.2 into 10.10 ? [18:31] it contains only bug fixes, some of them quite critical [18:31] like proper support for Bluetooth 2.1, o handle obex-data-server crashes (which happens quite often) [18:31] it contains only bug fixes, some of them quite critical [18:31] like proper support for Bluetooth 2.1, o handle obex-data-server crashes (which happens quite often) [18:32] (I think I've lost connection again) [18:32] afiestas: no your loud and clear :D [18:32] also [18:32] afiestas: it can go into backports no question, into updates it needs bugs files and people convinced that the bugs are serious enough [18:32] if update directly to 1.0.2 is not possible or difficult I can provide patches to the kubuntu package [18:32] apachelogger: the rekonq crash seemed to be because of a bad install [18:33] but I don't know what is the process for that [18:33] i had 2 libkdeinit4_rekonq.so's for some reason [18:33] Riddell: the bugs can be in kde bugtrack? [18:33] or in launchpad/kubuntu ? [18:34] debfx: docbook-xsl uploaded thanks, please file bug at debian [18:34] Riddell: I've already filed one :) [18:35] afiestas: they need to be at launchpad, but launchpad can link to bugs.kde, so best thing to do would be to track down the relevent bugs then we'll file them on launchpad and do a package [18:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil/+bug/698241 <--fixed (with the obex-data-server thing I said) [18:35] Ubuntu bug 698241 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "cannot recieve files" [Undecided,New] [18:35] and the "pair with pin" not sure what the user means [18:36] apachelogger: do you have a upstream KDE bug for that? [18:36] i can link the 2 together then [18:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/686433 <--fixed too in 1.0.2 (Do not pair devices that doesn't require pairing) [18:36] Ubuntu bug 686433 in bluez (Ubuntu) "MS IntelliMouse Explorer doesn't pair" [Undecided,New] [18:38] geoip-database is another package that is wasting cd space [18:38] it's pulled in by ktorrent -> libgeoip [18:38] erm ... libgeoip is needed [18:39] and ktorrent isnt available by default i think [18:39] Riddell: So I should find out what bugs have been closed since1.0RC4 to 1.0.2 and link them to launchpad? [18:39] shadeslayer: why is libgeoip needed? [18:39] s/available/on the cd [18:39] ktorrent is on the CD [18:39] aha [18:39] Riddell: it needs them to display the flags and resolve the dns names to show those flags [18:40] that sounds like a feature I can live without really [18:40] well .. yes .. but then it might cause unexpected behaviour ... so id say ask upstream [18:41] shadeslayer: you always have 2 libkdeinits [18:41] ... [18:41] do we really need a torrent client on the cd? [18:42] apachelogger: o_o [18:42] really? [18:42] yes [18:42] you had that in summer too [18:42] ah [18:42] apachelogger: you mean that stupid issue [18:42] right [18:42] back then your rekonq was just all messed up if not started from a terminal or something [18:42] yeah [18:42] Anyone doing the new digikam (1.8)? [18:42] apachelogger: i run CMake with different args all the time [18:42] Looks like kdegraphcis in 4.6 is new enough for it. [18:42] ScottK: im free ... so i can do it [18:43] shadeslayer: Great. [18:43]