[23:47] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: is there anything about testing for accessibility aimed at end users themselves? there was an exchange on the gnome-a11y list this weekend that suggested to me that maybe that's one of the things we need to have (not sure what would go in it, but it seems like people may  not know how to test as an end user)
[23:49] <charlie-tca> I don't believe there is anything aimed at end user testing, simply because most of the fixes have to be done in the development version
[23:49] <Pendulum> *nods*
[23:49] <charlie-tca> If the end user is not using the latest development version, the test is not valid
[23:50] <Pendulum> right
[23:50] <Pendulum> but I'm thinking if we can figure out how they can use the development version to test...
[23:50] <charlie-tca> but then they are no longer normal users, they become a tester
[23:51] <Pendulum> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-accessibility-list/2011-January/msg00071.html is where I'm wondering if there's something we can do to make it clearer how to do testing
[23:51] <charlie-tca> anyone can grab the daily desktop cd and try to do an install with orca
[23:53] <Pendulum> I wonder if this is one of the things that jono's "use it on a USB stick" would help
[23:53] <charlie-tca> We can't really expect normal users to do much testing, because it does mean running the development version and taking a chance on losing everything at a critical time
[23:53] <Pendulum> yeah
[23:53] <Pendulum> that's kinda what I figured
[23:54] <Pendulum> I'm just trying to figure out answers to the "Ubuntu doesn't test a11y" that shows up on other lists
[23:54] <charlie-tca> I don't if a USB test will work with orca. I have no system capable of that
[23:54] <Pendulum> *nods*
[23:54] <Pendulum> I'll poke AlanBell about it tomorrow
[23:54] <charlie-tca> the answer is the same answer we give every other "does not test enough" nonsense. It is, when we have testers willing. 
[23:55] <Pendulum> yeah
[23:55] <Pendulum> I think at this point I'm more annoyed that it gets said about us, but not to us
[23:55] <charlie-tca> The "doesn't test" is not limited to anything. 
[23:55] <charlie-tca> It gets said about Xubuntu and Ubuntu too, but never up front
[23:56] <charlie-tca> That's about the only time I answer a blog or review, too.