| Samae | Does it allow me to tweak the kernel conf ? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| topfs2 | you pick a kernel deb you want to base it on, so if you need to tweak the kernel you need to compile it and package it | 00:01 |
| Samae | ok | 00:02 |
| Samae | and then it outputs a rootfs | 00:03 |
| ka6sox-away | topfs2, because its a uimage you can't just use make-kpkg kernel_image | 00:03 |
| ka6sox-away | ? | 00:03 |
| Samae | Well, I don't use uimage for now, or I'm not aware i'm using it | 00:03 |
| Samae | I just discovered that my tablet boots always on a rootfs.img, so i substituted the armel image or ubuntu 10.10 and it ran ok (appart for usb and touchscreen support) | 00:04 |
| ka6sox-away | Samae, which tablet? | 00:04 |
| Samae | up there ^ | 00:05 |
| Samae | Archos 101 it | 00:05 |
| ka6sox-away | ah, archos. | 00:05 |
| ka6sox-away | okahy | 00:05 |
| Samae | Ow, I meant I don't use uboot | 00:05 |
| Samae | but yeah it boots on zImage or uImage apparently | 00:06 |
| Samae | so next step, new rootfs and new kernel with proper modules | 00:06 |
| Samae | :) | 00:06 |
| Samae | I'll be back | 00:07 |
| Samae | gudnite | 00:07 |
| rsalveti | ogra: the binary is the same name, but different path | 02:52 |
| rsalveti | ogra: the new package for omap3 is x-loader-omap3-beagle | 02:52 |
| rsalveti | as we're generating images compatible with beagle by default | 02:52 |
| rsalveti | ogra: /usr/lib/x-loader/omap3530beagle/MLO | 02:53 |
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| cooloney | rsalveti: still around. can you boot up latest 2.6.38-rc2 on panda? | 03:50 |
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| lilstevie | ok got a different situation here, the board that i am building a rootfs image for only has 320mb for its rootfs, does ubuntu arm support me splitting in to /usr /home /var / et al | 07:52 |
| hrw | lilstevie: generate tarball with rootfs and then split it manually into parts | 09:03 |
| ka6sox | hrw, does the maverick image use a initramfs? | 09:04 |
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| hrw | yes, it does | 09:08 |
| ka6sox-away | hmmm..okay. I might have to do some playing then to get it to work. | 09:09 |
| ka6sox-away | hopefully it uses udev | 09:09 |
| lilstevie | hrw: then just make sure the other parts are mounted in the initramfs right? | 09:31 |
| hrw | probably | 09:33 |
| hrw | I use only / /home + /tmp in tmpfs on most of my machines | 09:33 |
| lilstevie | heh problem i have is that i only have 320mb in the available space for / | 09:34 |
| lilstevie | and the rest is split on SD cards | 09:34 |
| lilstevie | internal 16gb of which i can only flash 1.5GB of ext | 09:34 |
| ogra | i doubt loading off /var will gain you enough, you should offload /usr instead | 09:42 |
| ogra | as long as you use an initrd adding a line to fstab should be enough, no extra fiddling needed | 09:43 |
| lilstevie | ogra: but will that still give me enough space to be able to install stuff | 09:48 |
| ogra | well, thats a trial and r thing i guess | 09:58 |
| ogra | *error | 09:58 |
| ogra | of my installed 4G big system /usr eats 1.9G while /var occupies 350M | 09:59 |
| ogra | so sharing out /usr will definitely gain you more | 09:59 |
| hrw | 6.3GB /usr 8/2GB /var on my desktop | 10:00 |
| hrw | 6.3GB /usr 8.2GB /var on my desktop | 10:00 |
| ogra | hrw, apt-get clean ;) | 10:01 |
| hrw | ogra: 4GB is pbuilder | 10:01 |
| ogra | loading off /var surely gains you a lot too in the running system later | 10:01 |
| ogra | (logs, caches etc) | 10:02 |
| hrw | but yes, 800MB was apt cache | 10:02 |
| ogra | but for initial install if you are short on space /usr should be the first | 10:02 |
| ogra | and /tmp in tmpfs is something you should only do with a decent amount of ram | 10:03 |
| ogra | at least if you want to run apps like firefox | 10:03 |
| ogra | i wouldnt do that on 128M if you want to run any desktop bits | 10:03 |
| ogra | (for example) | 10:03 |
| lilstevie | I have 512mb ram usable | 10:07 |
| lilstevie | the SoIC has more ram but i dont know how to access it | 10:08 |
| lilstevie | and this is for arm :p does firefox have an arm port :p | 10:09 |
| hrw | port? | 10:12 |
| hrw | firefox nowadays just need to be compiled | 10:12 |
| lilstevie | heh fair enough | 10:12 |
| hrw | I remember days when anything mozilla based required strange patches to get it running | 10:13 |
| lilstevie | still trying to grasp how much will run on arm | 10:13 |
| hrw | lilstevie: 512MB ram? most will run | 10:13 |
| lilstevie | generally what is the best x manager to run in a touch environment | 10:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | running firefox on arm is absolutely no problem. compiling locally still is a bit of a strain, though. | 10:13 |
| hrw | lilstevie: which arm cpu you have? | 10:14 |
| ogra | LetoThe2nd, depends on your hardware ;) | 10:14 |
| lilstevie | hrw: yeah it has 512mb ram, and some other ram that is really not known if it is usable | 10:14 |
| lilstevie | hrw: hummingbird | 10:14 |
| hrw | nice cpu | 10:14 |
| lilstevie | yeah :) | 10:14 |
| ogra | lilstevie, i use an ac100 here atm, should all work fine | 10:14 |
| lilstevie | just hoping to free it from android hell :p | 10:15 |
| LetoThe2nd | ogra: adequte relation to HW given, of course. running ff on a pentium133 is also rather pointless. | 10:15 |
| hrw | lilstevie: so galaxy s/tab/nexuss? | 10:15 |
| lilstevie | for a tablet like device is not nice | 10:15 |
| lilstevie | tab | 10:15 |
| lilstevie | and i wasnt dumb enough to upgrade to one of the dev releases that has locked bootloaders so it just happily runs unsigned kernel/initramfs combos | 10:16 |
| lilstevie | has to be the most open device i have ever had lol | 10:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | ogra: on an openrd here ff worked quite good. :-) | 10:16 |
| hrw | bb in ~15minutes | 10:16 |
| hrw | heh.. someone remind about someone before leaving... | 10:21 |
| * hrw uses hummingbird to play youtube videos now. | 10:22 | |
| lilstevie | lol | 10:22 |
| hrw | but on nexus s/android | 10:22 |
| lilstevie | the tab is nice hardware | 10:22 |
| hrw | lilstevie: tab has 1024x600? | 10:22 |
| lilstevie | yep | 10:22 |
| hrw | 16GB storage, 512MB ram, netboot resolution... looks like good target for ubuntu | 10:23 |
| lilstevie | yeah thats what i though | 10:23 |
| hrw | but I do not know would I switch | 10:23 |
| lilstevie | only thing I am going to struggle with is the initramfs | 10:24 |
| ogra | make sure you have your kernel and modules properly installed in the rootfs | 10:25 |
| ogra | then just run update-initramfs -c -v<version of your kernel> | 10:25 |
| hrw | lilstevie: on arm devices I just avoid initramfs and boot directly into rootfs | 10:25 |
| lilstevie | hrw: that is a tad difficult on the tab | 10:26 |
| lilstevie | as the kernel gets the initramfs compiled in | 10:26 |
| hrw | as hw is always same, rootfs is same device etc | 10:26 |
| ogra | you lose some functionality without initrd | 10:26 |
| ogra | (filesystem check, encrypted filesystems etc) | 10:27 |
| lilstevie | ogra: update-initramfs from inside qemu or just in the rootfs | 10:29 |
| ogra | either will work, it creates a /boot/initrd.img-<version> | 10:30 |
| sebjan | ll /mnt/` | 10:34 |
| sebjan | oups :) | 10:34 |
| lilstevie | SGX535 has full accel on ubuntu yes? | 10:35 |
| hrw | ogra: since when fsck needs initramfs? | 10:39 |
| hrw | ogra: fsck needs rootfs/ro | 10:39 |
| ogra | it happens before / is mounted rw | 10:39 |
| hrw | ogra: and for this initramfs is not required | 10:39 |
| ogra | well, i dont have fsck on systems where i dont use initrd | 10:39 |
| hrw | ogra: maybe thats because ubuntu forces initramfs to be used to fsck | 10:40 |
| ogra | might be, i never checked ... since we use initrd by default on all official images anyway | 10:40 |
| sveinse | ogra: How can I submit patches to rootstock? | 10:50 |
| ogra | sveinse, create your own branch on LP and file merge requests | 10:51 |
| hrw | speaking of merging.... | 10:59 |
| lilstevie | ogra: does the kernel need to be in the rootfs | 10:59 |
| hrw | flash-kernel? | 10:59 |
| ogra | lilstevie, the modules do | 10:59 |
| ogra | i'm not sure update-initramfs checks for a vmlinuz file | 10:59 |
| ogra | worst case you can just touch it though | 10:59 |
| lilstevie | ok good cause my kernel isnt compiled until after i have the initramfs :p | 11:00 |
| ogra | hrw, yeah yeah ... did drop off my TODO, there are just other more pressing things atm | 11:00 |
| ogra | *didnt (indeed) | 11:00 |
| sveinse | I saw some comments above regarding initrd: What specifically is done in initrd? Because my (rootfs based) system does not use initrd at all, but it seems to work as intended | 11:04 |
| sveinse | ...I meant roostock based system | 11:04 |
| ogra | sveinse, make sure your users never ever install any filesystem encryption bits, raid or device manager ... all these need initrd | 11:07 |
| ogra | beyond that initrd indeed draws the splash and runs plymouth (whithout which fsck will not work since mountall uses libplymouth for communication) | 11:08 |
| lilstevie | so ogra let me get this right, best way to do it will be set up fstab, move modules in to place chroot to the rootfs then run update-initramfs | 11:11 |
| sveinse | ogra, ok thanks. Quite frankly it good to be without (except for fsck). I have a strict customer requirement of short bootup time. | 11:11 |
| sveinse | I see the PID counter is what around 3000, so it does alot at boot even without initrd | 11:12 |
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| dmart | hi all ... does anyone know how to get verbose log output during bootup, preferably over serial? I don't really know to to achieve this with upstart+plymouth | 11:54 |
| lool | dmart: remove quiet from cmdline and add nosplash? | 11:55 |
| lool | might not be enough though | 11:55 |
| ogra | no need for nosplash on serial though | 11:55 |
| ogra | dropping quiet should be enough (and indeed the right console= args) | 11:55 |
| lool | dmart: For serial, it's a matter of listing your serial console last if you want it to be the system console IIRC | 11:55 |
| lool | That is, console=ttyS2, console=tty0 will output some kernel messages on both, but /dev/console will only go to last arg, or something like that | 11:56 |
| ogra | just make it the only console | 11:56 |
| ogra | no need for tty0 if you want serial boot output | 11:56 |
| lilstevie | egh is there anthing that stops 32bit linux binaries executing on 10.10 64bit? | 11:57 |
| lilstevie | for some reason it keeps telling me file not found for the executable when it is clearly there | 11:58 |
| lool | lilstevie: What's the exact message? | 12:04 |
| lilstevie | No Such File or Directory | 12:05 |
| lilstevie | it clearly exists | 12:05 |
| lool | lilstevie: The full message | 12:05 |
| lool | lilstevie: Usually, it's missing ld-linux for 32-bits; it's in a separate package | 12:05 |
| lool | lilstevie: You want to install libc6-i386 | 12:06 |
| lool | lilstevie: You can strace your binary to see which actual file is missing | 12:06 |
| lilstevie | /opt/toolchains/arm-2009q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: no such file or directoy | 12:06 |
| lilstevie | directory* | 12:07 |
| lool | lilstevie: Ok; that sounds like missing 32-bits ld-linux; run strace -etrace=file /opt/toolchains/arm-2009q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 12:07 |
| lilstevie | http://pastie.org/1492398 | 12:09 |
| dmart | lool: I don't think we're using quiet or splash... this is just a BSP bringup problem. | 12:10 |
| lilstevie | lool: installing libc6-i386 fixed :) | 12:11 |
| lilstevie | hm, ogra i get an error off that initramfs telling me it is the wrong datatype | 12:43 |
| lilstevie | cause it is aparently not cpio | 12:44 |
| ogra | its gzipped cpio | 12:55 |
| sveinse | Hmm. It seems getting rootstock to use more than "maverick" (e.g. maverick-updates and maverick-security) isn't as trivial as I hoped it would be. It seems debootstrap doesn't do a full "apt-get" resolution of the latest package. It seems to be locked against maverick/main. Objections? | 12:57 |
| lilstevie | yeah i figured it out | 12:58 |
| lilstevie | i ended up checking it with file | 12:58 |
| lilstevie | discovered that it was gzip | 12:58 |
| lilstevie | was a bit of a facepalm moment :/ | 12:58 |
| sveinse | So perhaps it's better to rootstock/debootstrap and then do a apt-get upgrade after installation to get the maverick-security and/or maverick-updates | 12:59 |
| ogra | or properly patch rootstock to generate a proper sources.list | 13:03 |
| ogra | i.e. by installing and using python-apt | 13:04 |
| sveinse | ogra, I've added a --sources option to rootstock where you can provide your own sources.list | 13:08 |
| sveinse | However, debootstrap internals doesn't consider anything else than maverick/main | 13:08 |
| ogra | sveinse, you could prot rootstock to multistrap ;) | 13:13 |
| dcordes | hi | 13:28 |
| dcordes | In http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20110123/natty-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz I get 'No valid session found' after gdm startup. Is it a known problem ? | 13:30 |
| dcordes | /etc/gdm/custom.conf has une-efl | 13:30 |
| rsalveti | dcordes: yup,algo got this with today's image | 13:44 |
| rsalveti | seems that I'm unable to log-in in any session | 13:44 |
| ogra | thats weird | 13:45 |
| ogra | but i think the whole session handling in gnome changed | 13:45 |
| ogra | once unity-2d is the default it should work again | 13:45 |
| rsalveti | yup, probably because of the gnome update | 13:48 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: any workaround ? | 13:52 |
| ogra | well, teeh gnome desktop session should work | 13:53 |
| ogra | *the | 13:53 |
| ogra | rsalveti, so about that xloader prob on omap3 | 13:53 |
| ogra | the current build script looks for a package named x-loader-omap | 13:54 |
| rsalveti | I'm now trying to at least log-in at the gnome classic | 13:54 |
| ogra | and doesnt find it | 13:54 |
| ogra | so i assumed the binary package name changed | 13:54 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: ok hope it works | 13:54 |
| rsalveti | ogra: the package name changed and the mlo path | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | but if you didn't change, it should still work | 13:55 |
| ogra | right | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | as we didn't remove the old package yet | 13:55 |
| ogra | hmm | 13:55 |
| ogra | weird | 13:55 |
| ogra | it doesnt find it | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | hm, ok, we should remove just the omap 4 one | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | the version changed, but it kind of replaced the old x-loader package | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | used by omap 3 | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | that could be the reason | 13:56 |
| rsalveti | dcordes: gnome classic seems to work | 13:56 |
| ogra | http://paste.ubuntu.com/557665/ | 13:56 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: nice. is it 'gnome-desktop' in custom.conf ? | 13:56 |
| ogra | thats what i get in the buildlogs | 13:56 |
| rsalveti | ogra: yup, saw that when you pointed me the logs yesterday | 13:57 |
| rsalveti | dcordes: just select ubuntu classic desktop while log-in | 13:57 |
| rsalveti | ogra: you should now get x-loader-omap3-beagle | 13:58 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: ok. gdm doesn't use custom.conf any longer ? | 13:58 |
| sveinse | ogra, I have to admit I know nothing of multistrapping... :( | 13:58 |
| ogra | rsalveti, is there a transitional package ? | 13:59 |
| rsalveti | ogra: nops, as this package wasn't installed at any image | 13:59 |
| ogra | (though i'm not sure NCommander's way of extracting it would manage this, iirc he extracts the package directly) | 13:59 |
| rsalveti | and x-loader-omap doesn't make much sense now, as we also have overo | 14:00 |
| dcordes | can somebody recommend a known working qemu kernel for the current (above) natty builds ? I tried some yetserday and ran into illegal instruction problems which I think were NEON related | 14:00 |
| rsalveti | and soon have igepv2 | 14:00 |
| rsalveti | that are all omap | 14:00 |
| ogra | indeed | 14:00 |
| sveinse | in regards of the igepv2: Are there any efforts on using the DSP from linux? | 14:05 |
| sveinse | or more specifically: ubuntu | 14:06 |
| rcn-ee | sveinse, it's possible with natty's 2.6.37 kernel, (dspbridge), just need to package 2 git project (dsp-gst, dsp-tools) then package the ti codec's.. | 14:13 |
| ogra | rsalveti, http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/x/x-loader/ has not a single natty build, did anyone care for getting the newly natty binaries to main yet ? | 14:36 |
| rsalveti | ogra: hm, lp says it's published | 14:36 |
| rsalveti | or this is something that lp is not yet tracking? | 14:37 |
| ogra | published != main promoted | 14:37 |
| rsalveti | publish in main | 14:37 |
| ogra | that only means it went into the archive | 14:37 |
| rsalveti | *published | 14:37 |
| ogra | and the source is in main | 14:37 |
| ogra | but the binaries werent transitioned | 14:37 |
| ogra | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/x/x-loader/ | 14:37 |
| ogra | all of them sit in universe | 14:37 |
| rsalveti | hm, ok, sources at main but debs still in universe | 14:38 |
| ogra | right | 14:38 |
| ogra | an archive admin needs to promote the beagle and panda binaries to main | 14:38 |
| rsalveti | do we need to find a bug? or just ask someone? | 14:39 |
| rsalveti | yup, at least beagle and panda | 14:39 |
| rsalveti | don't know if it's ok for linaro to have overo at universe | 14:40 |
| rsalveti | but then they can just ask it if it's a problem | 14:40 |
| ogra | pitti promotes for us | 14:40 |
| rsalveti | ogra: a lot easier when you ask for it :-) | 14:41 |
| ogra | heh | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | ogra: thanks anyway, and sorry for the confusion | 14:41 |
| ogra | well, all fine now | 14:41 |
| ogra | next publisher run we should be fine, i'll adjust the build scripts for the new names and file locations then | 14:42 |
| rsalveti | cool | 14:43 |
| ogra | ok, scripts adjusted | 14:46 |
| rsalveti | ogra: nice, are you firing up another image for it? or just wait until tomorrow? | 14:47 |
| ogra | we will have to wait until the promotion is done, i'll trigger an imagebuild later | 14:49 |
| rsalveti | ok | 14:49 |
| davidm | ogra, you about? | 15:01 |
| ogra | davidm, indeed i am | 15:01 |
| ogra | sorry, the canonical server kicked me outr | 15:02 |
| davidm | Ah was wondering what happened | 15:02 |
| davidm | cool | 15:02 |
| jcrigby | ogra, can bug #683683 be closed out? | 16:16 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 683683 in busybox "run-init on omap3, omap4 in natty dies if busybox is built with -marm" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683683 | 16:16 |
| ogra | jcrigby, no idea, ask the toolchain guys | 16:16 |
| jcrigby | or is it still a bug but there is a workaround | 16:16 |
| ogra | its a toolchain issue | 16:16 |
| jcrigby | ogra, ok | 16:16 |
| ogra | the other tasks are fix released iirc | 16:16 |
| ogra | jcrigby, iirc davidgiluk assigned it to gcc (and doko moved it to gcc4.5 or so) | 16:20 |
| jcrigby | ogra, yes I see that. | 16:20 |
| ogra | the prob is that compiling with -marm breaks under 4.5 apparently | 16:21 |
| ogra | at least for busybox | 16:21 |
| jcrigby | ogra, right | 16:21 |
| sveinse | does anyone have a 101 for lp/bzr? i *think* I have created a branch within rootstock, but I'm uncertain how to branch from the main branch... | 16:50 |
| * sveinse finally managed to make his own rootstock branch and commit his patch. First time of lp+bzr has quite a learning curve | 17:41 | |
| * rsalveti brb, late lunch | 17:42 | |
| rcn-ee_at_work | sveinse, thanks, i like that change, i'll be able to cleanup some of my roostock for debian tweaks.. ;) | 17:52 |
| sveinse | yeah, I'm working on a custom HW board, and we use rootstock all the time to generate the rootfs images | 17:53 |
| sveinse | so I can't use the official released images | 17:53 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | same here. ;) | 17:57 |
| sveinse | rcn-ee_at_work: running ubuntu or debian on target? | 18:00 |
| sveinse | ..presume ubuntu since you're here ;) | 18:00 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | all the above.. ;) i'm really itching for debian wheezy with armhf.. ;) | 18:01 |
| sveinse | oh? how come? | 18:01 |
| sveinse | We've selected ubuntu as target OS since this had the best armv7 support when we had to choose | 18:01 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | yeah and it's pretty quick.. (lucid->natty)... but it's still using soft floating point... so it'll be interesting if ubuntu enables hardfp for natty++ (i'm hoping) | 18:03 |
| sveinse | *that* I can put my vote to! | 18:03 |
| sveinse | is natty particularly faster then maverick? BTW I'm running on omap3 (3530) | 18:05 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | i wouldn't run it yet, as it's not even alpha-2, but it's a more patched gcc with the same compiler settings.. | 18:06 |
| sveinse | wheezy will be targeted for armv7? | 18:07 |
| sveinse | I seem to be asking google the wrong questions... | 18:08 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | sveinse, it looks like wheezy will have the older "armel" and a new "armhf" for armv7 stuff .. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort | 18:09 |
| sveinse | ah hf=hard float... thanks | 18:09 |
| Martyn | natty boots on the pandaboard nicely | 18:13 |
| Martyn | not so much on the Versatile Express .. yet | 18:13 |
| Martyn | Are there any known issues getting a graphic boot on the pandaboard at the moment? | 18:19 |
| ogra | rcn-ee_at_work, sveinse, ubuntu will have hf in about two releases | 19:02 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | thanks, ogra cool.. | 19:04 |
| ogra | probably before wheezy :) | 19:04 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | ;) for those that wait for the 'release'.. ;) | 19:05 |
| ogra | indeed | 19:05 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | probally about 2 years just like squeeze... | 19:05 |
| ogra | the current debian hf port uses the ubuntu toolchain i think | 19:05 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | yeah it's that linaro/ubuntu gcc-4.5. | 19:06 |
| ogra | right | 19:06 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: tried out the gnome desktop session and it works | 19:37 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: somehow metacity didn't show up once | 19:37 |
| rsalveti | dcordes: check bug 707014 | 19:38 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 707014 in netbook-launcher-efl "Ubuntu Netbook Edition 2D fails to launch from gdm by giving "No valid session found"." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707014 | 19:38 |
| GrueMaster | Is this possibly due to a change in jasper-initramfs? | 19:38 |
| rsalveti | nops | 19:38 |
| rsalveti | gnome-session | 19:38 |
| GrueMaster | (I'm just now booting today's image). | 19:38 |
| GrueMaster | Hmmm | 19:39 |
| dcordes | rsalveti: cool thanks | 19:41 |
| dcordes | -Exec=gnome-session | 19:43 |
| dcordes | +Exec=gnome-session --session=une-efl | 19:43 |
| rsalveti | and a new file | 19:44 |
| dcordes | ok | 19:44 |
| rsalveti | une-efl.session at /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions | 19:44 |
| dcordes | it would be nice to be able to change the gnome-panel in nbl efl | 19:45 |
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| dcordes | rsalveti: is there a way to do this except for using a converted gnome session? I had bad experience with that with nbl not coming up | 20:06 |
| rsalveti | dcordes: why you don't want to use a gnome-session for that? | 20:07 |
| dcordes | I'm not sure about how to start netbook-launcher-efl correctly when doing it manually | 20:08 |
| dcordes | just putt it in the session startup before but it didn't come up sometimes | 20:08 |
| dcordes | even with large delay | 20:08 |
| dcordes | that was in maverick release images | 20:10 |
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| LetoThe2nd | just giving rootstock a little try. when i follow the guide in the wiki and fire up the image in qemu, it fails with segmentation fault. | 20:30 |
| rsalveti | LetoThe2nd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootStock/KnownIssues | 20:30 |
| rsalveti | I think we have the fix for at least 2 bugs, but not yet packaged | 20:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | rsalveti: so what to do? checkout trunk and use that? | 20:31 |
| rsalveti | bug is not related with rootstock, it's probably qemu | 20:32 |
| LetoThe2nd | rsalveti: just built it from scratch... might it be fixed in the ubuntu repos? probably not, i'd guess... | 20:33 |
| ogra | rsalveti, before you add that file to /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions talk to didrocks, there is a certain naming scheme that has to be used i was told | 20:33 |
| ogra | (great that there is a fix !) | 20:34 |
| rsalveti | ogra: oh, ok | 20:37 |
| ogra | i think the distro name needs to be in the filename | 20:37 |
| ogra | i had to make unity-2d 2d-ubuntu | 20:37 |
| rsalveti | could be, let me check with him | 20:38 |
| GrueMaster | That will suck. Not good if people want to try different launchers. | 20:39 |
| ogra | ?? | 20:39 |
| ogra | people will never see that file | 20:40 |
| ogra | its just a naming convention for the .session files that gnome put in place | 20:40 |
| ogra | wont matter if you call it efl-ubuntu or foo-ubuntu or whatever, you can still select the efl launcher in gdm | 20:41 |
| rsalveti | well, just got applied by janimo, but will talk to didrocks once he's on-line | 20:42 |
| ogra | thanks | 20:42 |
| ogra | with luck i'll kick out efl on wed. :) | 20:42 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 20:42 |
| ogra | though there might be a MIR blocker ... | 20:43 |
| ogra | -2d is currently untranslatable | 20:43 |
| ogra | (there is no gettext support yet) | 20:43 |
| rsalveti | hm | 20:46 |
| ogra | not sure i can get it past the MIR team that way, there are plans for gettext support, but no code or anything | 20:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | bottom line - is qemu always segfaults with "qemu: fatal: VS[LR]I.64 not implemented", is there any way to get started with rootstock, or is this just a showstopper for now? | 20:48 |
| rsalveti | LetoThe2nd: what qemu version are you using? | 20:48 |
| rsalveti | and what ubuntu version | 20:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | jd@tabr:~/rootstock$ qemu-system-arm --version | 20:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.5 (qemu-kvm-0.12.5), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard | 20:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | ubuntu 10.10, amd64. | 20:49 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | LetoThe2nd, are you trying to build a 'natty' arm rootfs? | 20:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: just trying to get started with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch | 20:49 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | LetoThe2nd, just for reference, can you pastebin your full 'rootstock' command.. | 20:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: of course. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/326221/ | 20:51 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | yeah, your aren't giving qemu any chance with that... unless you run it on an armel machine, xubuntu-desktop is going to kill qemu... | 20:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: ok, trying it without seed now. | 20:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: is there any particular reason why xubuntu kills qemu? or what other packages will have the same effect? | 20:56 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | LetoThe2nd, well just something less entensive for the inital install.. | 20:56 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | LetoThe2nd, it varies on release, some *.deb packages cause issues when installed thru qemu... Ever since lucid it's been a pain in the rear to track down.. | 20:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: i see.... strange. the message would indicate something missing in qemu's instruction set, so i'd guess it could happen with any package if the compiler only decided to put in that one instruction. | 21:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: taking away the seed, the emulated system does not segfault, but just stop with a blinking cursor after leaving the kernels boot. :-/ | 21:04 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | are you dumping any info to the serial console? | 21:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: no, just stating with the exact example command given on the wiki page. | 21:10 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | LetoThe2nd, in your previous message "the emulated system does not segfault, but just stop with a blinking cursor" do you have a serial console for debugging | 21:12 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: ok, probably stupid question - where? | 21:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda qemu-armel-201101242154.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" | 21:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda qemu-armel-201101242154.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" | 21:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | ohsry for doubleposting. | 21:14 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | ah, booting the image with qemu... sorry haven't done that for atleast a year... | 21:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: for the protocol, i try to start following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch ... hoping that the "demo" commands provide a working starting point. | 21:17 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | LetoThe2nd, based on the age of that wiki document, i bet it was with karmic's default, so you need to add "--dist karmic" but that's pretty old.. | 21:22 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: around? | 21:37 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: yup | 21:37 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: i've just merged our massive code refactor, i'd like to begin working with you on an evaluation when you get a chance | 21:38 |
| TheUni | (xbmc) | 21:38 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: awesome, I can try to check this out this week and focus more on next week | 21:39 |
| rsalveti | as we moved it to alpha 3 | 21:39 |
| TheUni | yep, i saw | 21:39 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: did you create any release for it? or basically current trunk? | 21:40 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: current master. release is still a ways out | 21:40 |
| rsalveti | np, will try to check that out | 21:42 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: as i've mentioned, you might not target for natty, but we would greatly appreciate some ideas when it comes to packaging. what we've got currently is a monstrosity :) | 21:42 |
| rsalveti | haha, np | 21:42 |
| rsalveti | let's see what we can at least get for natty | 21:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: for the protocol: it works with dist karmic. | 21:56 |
| rcn-ee_at_work | yeah, karmic's easier for qemu... compile for armv6 vs armv7 + thumb for lucid/maverick/natty... | 21:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | rcn-ee_at_work: gotta read up a bit on qemus changes, maybe a more recent trunk might do :-) | 21:58 |
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